[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

As I said somewhere in at least one (perhaps both) of the referenced
articles, "Different first page" is a per-section setting, but "Different
odd or even" is all or nothing--it's set for the entire document.

The problems you were having, in trying to do too many things at once,
mostly arose from a failure to understand how headers and footers and
section breaks work. I kept hoping if you would reread the Header and Footer
article enough times, something would sink in. g

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"PhilB" wrote in message
...
Suzanne
This is in answer to your last post asking me to send the document to you.
First, let me say how much I appreciate your patience and forbearance with
me. I know you are answering many other posts. The good news is I have
finally done it. What threw me off was following the step by step in the
referred links. They work fine for separate purposes (just page
numbering,
for example) but to accomplish my three goals of different numbering,
different first pages and author/title headers,it took a different route.
I
now have two sections in the document, which is all you said I would need.
Here are my settings that I finally ended up with. I did have to manually
delete a few things after it was all set up, but the document is exactly
the
way I want it now.

I have two sections.
1. The section break for section 2 is for 'next page' and not 'odd page.'
2. Under the layout tab for BOTH sections, it says different first page
and
different odd and even. (I had been trying to uncheck the different odd
and
even for the numbering layout.)
3. I broke links to previous sections on each of the odd and even header
and
footer panes and also broke link to previous section on the footer for
section two.

I'm not sure if it follows suggested protocol, but it works.

Once again, I thank you so much for your help, and for staying with me on
this and for your offer to format the document for me. It's above and
beyond.

Phil Birmingham


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

It would appear that you put the book title in the Section 1 header
instead
of Section 2. It also sounds like you inserted page numbers twice.

What I'm not clear on is this:

I removed all page
numbers and sections and went to the link given and formatted front
and
main
document with page numbers, both with a 'different first page' to omit
the
numbers there. I then went to main document, inserted section break
(next
page), and did this.

If you haven't yet inserted a section break, then you cannot format page
numbers or anything else in the header or footer for "front and main
document..., both with a 'different first page' because you don't yet
have
separate sections for these portions.

Send me the document with instructions on what you want in the various
headers and footers, and I will fix it.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"PhilB" wrote in message
...
I just followed the instructions on your last post. I removed all
page
numbers and sections and went to the link given and formatted front
and
main
document with page numbers, both with a 'different first page' to omit
the
numbers there. I then went to main document, inserted section break
(next
page), and did this. At this juncture, I have two sections in the
document,
and my insertion point is at the beginning of chapter one.
1. I clicked on 'VIEW HEADER AND FOOTER'
2. I clicked on LAYOUT and checked off DIFFERENT ODD AND EVEN and left
the
box checked for DIFFERENT FIRST PAGE.
3.I typed the title of the book and aligned it right
4. I clicked on SHOW NEXT and got to the even page header. I typed
the
author name, which was already aligned left as desired.
5. I clicked on SWITCH TO FOOTER and it brought me to 'First page
Footer.'
6. I used the insert button to insert numbers (1,2,3) and aligned them
center
7. I clicked on SHOW NEXT to get to the 'Even page Footer.'
8. I used the insert button and inserted the numbers again (1,2,3) and
aligned center.
9. I closed the header and footer toolbar.

Here is the result.

1. In the main document, the first page has the book title (not
supposed
to)
2. The second page (page 2) has the author name aligned left, as
idesired.
3. The numbering is 1,2,3, includes the first page.(not supposed to)

As for section 1.

4. The front matter has the author on the even pages
5. The front matter has no title showing on the odd pages.

"PhilB" wrote:

I've just spent several hours trying to use the comments in your
last
post.
Maybe if I approach this differently, I may be able to get it right.
At
the
moment, my document has front and main text with different number
formats and
both have a different first page. Both are formatted fine and I
have
two
sections to my document. The three things I want to accomplish are
to
have
the front matter numbered in Roman with a different first page, the
main
text
numberred in Arabic with a different first page, and finally the
main
document showing different odd and even page headers (author/title.)

Should I do the author/title first or the numbering?
Should I end up with three break insertions, one for the front
matter
numbering, one for the Arabic numbering and one for the odd and even
page
headers?

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

First of all, if you're using Insert | Page Numbers to add page
numbers,
don't! If you have previously done so, go through and delete all
the
page
numbers. Unfortunately, Word doesn't provide an easy way to do
this
(for
example, there's no "None" selection in the Insert | Page Numbers
dialog
that will remove existing page numbers), and you have to be sure
you
get the
frame along with the PAGE field (see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...lyIndented.htm)

Now, realize that adding page numbers to the Odd Page Footer
doesn't
affect
the Even Page Footer and vice versa. You have to do it manually
both
places,
using the Insert Page Number button on the Header and Footer
toolbar.
Format
the page numbers using the Format Page Number button; if you set
numbering
to restart in the section after your front matter, then it may
continue to
restart in each succeeding section you add unless you change to
"Continue
from previous section."

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"PhilB" wrote in message
...
Suzanne

Yes, I did see your first reply. I didn't understand your
statement, 'the
fourth time' until I realized my original post ended up being
posted
4
times.
I went to all the links you gave me(and I have been to yours
before).
Obviously I am doing something wrong, but I have tried every
combination I
can think of, all without the desired result. I go over each
step
two or
three times to be sure I am doing it correctly. When I insert a
new
section,
put in the odd page header and even page header, and check
'different odd
and
even', the numbering in the footer gets changed as well and
alternates
between a number and a blank, i.e., page one blank footer, page
2
numbered,
page 3 blank, page 4 numbered, etc. I want the author/title for
just the
main document, beginning with chapter one, and without any
changes
to the
numbering in the front and main body of the text.
In reading over your latest reply, you said, 'Different odd
and
even,
when
enabled applies to the whole document. Is that the answer? I
cannot have
it
only on the main text in the book? I know you are answering
many of
these
questions for many posters, and that you are volunteering your
time.
It
was
your assistance in the past that enabled me to number my book
with
separate
front and main text and omit the numbers on the first page of
each.
Numbering is now a snap because of your article.
I am so sorry for this long post, but I just wish, instead of
general
instructions,or referrals to links, I could get a step by step
to
add the
author/title and without disturbing the rest of the document. I
will not
bother you any more with this. You are the only one who has
responded
previously (and often) and who has been of any help to me. I
just
want to
get on with my writing and not spend days and days on this one
issue. I'm
going to be 74 in December and I find my frustration level is
very
low
these
days. Thank you for your past help.
Phil Birmingham

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Did you see my reply to your first posting? I think if you
read
those
referenced articles things will become clearer, but here are
the
essentials:

1. You can have up to three different headers/footers in any
section:
First
Page Header, Even Page Header, Odd Page Header. When you check
the
box
for
"Different first page," you can apply it to a specific section
or
the
entire
document. "Different odd and even," when enabled, applies to
the
whole
document.

2. Except when using a StyleRef field in a header (see
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm), you will
need to
add a
section break every time you want to change the content of any
one
of
these
three headers/footers, *and* you must unlink that
header/footer in
the
new
section from the corresponding one in the previous section.

3. If you want to have different running heads on recto and
verso
pages,
you
need to check "Different odd and even." If you want to omit
the
head on
the
first page of a chapter, you need to check "Different first
page."

4. Generally speaking, if your running heads will be mostly
the
same
throughout the document (or will use a StyleRef field to pick
up
the
chapter
title), it's easier to insert their content *before* inserting
the
section
breaks (or at least before unlinking the headers if required).

Again, I refer you to these articles:

http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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"PhilB" wrote in message
...
Suzanne

I have been to countless sites, read countless FAQ's and
various
articles
on
this particular question. I have also been to training and
forums at
Microsoft Office. I download and print the articles and
attempt
to
add
the
author and title, only to have it mess up the numbering.
Isn't
there
somehwere to get a step by step to do what I want to do?
Only
then
will I
be
able to determine what box I am checking or not checking,
etc.
I can
format
for page numbers, make the first page different and break
the
document
into
front and main text with different numbering system. When I
try
to
use
'different page', etc. to add the author and title,
everything
gets
screwed
up. Contrary to what might seem obvious, I am intelligent
and
have a
better
than average vocabulary, but this thing is eluding me
somehow.
I'm
sorry
to
be a pest, but I have followed whatever leads you and others
have
directed
me
to. I need a step by step, it's as simple as that.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

The answer the fourth time is the same as the first, q.v.