[Lene Fredborg]

I also see that it works as you describe. I dont remember having noticed the
"header from edge" problem earlier - most likely because I did not test so
small margins then.

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Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word)
DocTools - Denmark
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Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I guess what I'm seeing as a difference is that now, if I set the top margin
to 0.4" without changing the header margin to less than the default 0.5",
the empty header no longer interferes.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Lene Fredborg" wrote in message
...
Regarding Word 2003: I have noticed that same and agree that something
must
have been fixed (that was why I - very unclear, I think - wrote ".what was
previously seen in earlier versions."). My point with the macro was to
show
that even if one cannot see the paragraph mark, it is still there.

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DocTools - Denmark
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Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

In Word 2003, I can use View | Header and Footer to open the header, type
something in it, close the header, then reopen it and delete the text.
When
I then close the header, not only is no paragraph mark displayed in the
header, but I can not open the header by double-clicking on it. IOW, I'm
back to Square Zero. This suggests to me that something has been fixed,
and
that it should be possible to remove the headers of Word 2003 docs (or
even
Normal.dot), leaving no residue.

Moreover, the template I use most often used to have an ineradicable
header
paragraph because I had foolishly opened the header to change the tab
stops
(because I had changed the margins), instead of changing them in Format |
Style: Header without opening the header pane). Even though the header
was
"empty," there was an empty paragraph mark there. It is now no longer
there.
Again, I think some SP or other must have fixed this.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Lene Fredborg" wrote in message
...
I think the only difference between Word 2007 and what was previously
seen
in
earlier versions here is that the paragraph mark is now made invisible
if
there is no other content in the header (the same applies to the
footer).
If
you run the following little macro, you will find that the apparently
empty
header always contains a paragraph mark:

Sub TestHeader()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).Headers(wdHeaderFooterP rimary).Range
If .Text = Chr(13) Then
MsgBox "Header consists of a paragraph mark"
ElseIf .Text = "" Then
MsgBox "Header is empty"
End If
End With
End Sub

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Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word)
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I think this must have been fixed (at least for Word 2003) because I
can
now
delete header/footer content in a Word 2003 document and see no empty
paragraph in the header/footer.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"PamC" wrote in message
...
I recall from reading discussions here and elsewhere--discussions
explaining why it's not a good idea to put headers and footers in
the
normal
template--that once a header or footer has been added to a document
you
cannot get rid* of the ending paragraphs marks.

So, in a document that has never had header or footer content added,
displaying formatting marks while the cursor is in the main story
shows
no
paragraph mark in the header or footer. But doing the same thing
in
a
document that at one time had header or footer content will show a
paragraph
mark in the now nearly empty header or footer.

I suspect that the difference is between the capability of a
header/footer
and the user created reality of it.

*But not too long ago, a Word MVP, offered a VBA way of getting rid
of
it.
Sorry I can't recall where I saw it.

PamC


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I'm not surprised. I just wonder what Word is registering as a
change.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA