[Stefan Blom[_3_]]

From your experience, it seems as if list styles aren't really safe, yet. :-(

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Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP
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"Willy" wrote in message
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Hej Stefan,

Using the paragraph style is what I wanted to do and what I always use. I
tried the list style only because you suggested testing this (and of course
this was relevant).

It seems this is as far as we can come for now. If the problem persists a
possible solution may be to use VBA to re-attach the list style to the
paragraph style on Document_New and Document_Open. But hopefully things will
continue to work. :-)

Again, many thanks for your time and contributions!

Willy

"Stefan Blom" wrote:

What I have seen in the past is the following: If you first apply paragraph
styles to text and *then* set up a list style with those styles linked, the
numbering may not be added to the styles already applied to text.

What you are describing obviously isn't the same but, just in case, I'd apply
the relevant paragraph styles to text, not the list style. I'd only use the
list
style when I wanted to edit the list formatting.

It might be a bug. Note that list styles are rather new in Word, which means
that few people might be using them.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Willy" wrote in message
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"Stefan Blom" wrote:

Where are you looking when you decide that the link between the list style
and
the paragraph style has broken?

In the Modify Multilevel List dialog.

I'm wondering if the fact that a list style has nine levels of numbering
could
be relevant here. To which level did you assign the paragraph style?

Level 1 only.

When you apply the list style to text, what happens? Same question if you
apply
the paragraph style directly?

Two scenarios, first when I do this in a new document based on the
template:

Applying the list style directly formats the paragraph correctly and sets
it
to the paragraph style I defined and linked to. The same thing happens when
I
apply the paragraph style.

When I inspect the Multilevel List dialog the link is still there.

However, when I open the template itself the link is gone and the behaviour
slightly different. Applying the list style still formats correctly but
doesn't set the paragraph style. Using the paragraph style still works the
same way as above though the link is broken.

So at the moment it works fine in documents based on the template though it
doesn't work in the template itself. This of course isn't so important but
it
is very strange that the result of my work disappears there. New documents
though know that the link is there, while the template itself doesn't.

Maybe there's a bug here? In any case my client is now testing the new
version of the template and we'll just have to see if the problems come
back
again or not.

Willy

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"Willy" wrote in message
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Hej Stefan,

Thanks for the time and patience you are spending on this! This is what
I
did:

I opened my template and created a basic paragraph style, just based on
what
amounts to the Normal style in my template and waiting to be linked to
my
bullet style.

I then clicked on the Multilevel List button in the ribbon and selected
Define
New List Style to define my new bullet style. I named this style and
selected
the bullet and indenting as I wanted, then linked it to my new paragraph
style.

I then saved the template and re-opened it. The bullet style is now no
longer
linked to the paragraph style.

On the other hand, when I create a new document based on the template,
the
styles still ARE linked and for the moment things seem to work. But so
they
did a few days ago and then the bullet was lost again.

Since the template is for a client I would like to be absolutely
convinced
that I'm delivering a robust solution. In Word 2003 this just worked,
but
in
2007 this area seems shaky. I would love to see the authoritative
article
on
how to produce a robust named paragraph style for bullets...

Best,

Willy
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"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
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How exactly did you do this? Did you start in the Modify Style dialog
box
for
the list style?

Also, note that if you modified the list style in a template, it should
work
in new documents based on that template. Existing documents, however,
must
be
dealt with separately.

Another thing to consider: When styles change unexpectedly, make sure
the
"Automatically update document styles" option is cleared in the
Templates
and
Add-Ins dialog box.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP
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"Willy" wrote in message
news Thanks Stefan,

I wasn't aware of the "Link level to style" function in the multilevel
bullets definition.

So yesterday I created a new named multilevel bullet style, then
created
a
new named paragraph style, then used "Link level to style" to attach
level 1
of my multilevel bullet style to my new paragraph style. All this was
done
in
a separate Word template.

Everything looked beautiful and seemed to work exactly as I wanted.
But
today the bullet had disappeared from my paragraph style and when I
looked
up
my multilevel bullet definition it was now linked to "(no style)".

I now deleted my paragraph style, created a new one and again linked
the
bullet style to my new paragraph style. However, after saving the
template
and restarting Word 2007 the link had again disappeared!

Looking at the definition of the paragraph style all the correct
settings
seem to be still there. But there seems to be no way to determine
which
bullet style a paragraph style is linked to. It displays the settings
but
doesn't show the name of my bullet style anywhere.

Looking at the bullet style doesn't help much either. It also doesn't
show
in an easy way which paragraph style it has been linked to, unless you
go
all
the way into the dialog boxes. But the main problem seems to be that
the
link
I set up seems to disappear almost immediately.

I hope you're not out of suggestions yet. :-) It's hard to imagine
that
this
just doesn't work in Word 2007 anymore...

Best,

Willy








"Stefan Blom" wrote:

Apart from Home tab | Multilevel List (where, as you have noticed,
the
name
isn't listed), list styles are only accessible from the Apply Styles
pane
(Ctrl+Shift+S).

Note, however, that you can attach paragraph styles to each level of
a
list
style (yes, this approach to multilevel bullets/numbers is still
recommended in
Word 2007) and then apply the paragraph styles as appropriate.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP
(Message posted via NNTP)



"Willy" wrote in message
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I'm an experienced Word developer but have so far been unable to
find
a
good
solution for bullet styles in Word 2007, even after spending a lot
of
time
searching and researching.

In Word 2003 I could quickly and easily define a named bullet
style,
add
it
to a template and have it work perfectly all the time. No lost
bullets,
no
changed indentation settings - just working like you would expect
of
any
style, bullet or not.

Is it at all possible to define a _named_ bullet style in Word
2007
with
the same reliable functionality as in previous versions?

I have been able to define a bullet style in a template and it
looks
perfect
at the time of creation. But the next time I use the template the
bullet
has
disappeared and/or the indentation settings changed.

I know I can manipulate list styles and multilevel lists and have
actually
used "Define new bullet..." to define a new and named bullet style.

However, this type of style doesn't show up in the style list and
though
I'm
able to select it from the multilevel list ribbon button, its style
name
isn't shown in the document either. It just shows the underlying
style
name,
for example Normal. Therefore there is no way for the user to
double
check if
the correct style has been applied.

This isn't just nice to have in everyday Word use but in my
application
(producing magazine articles) it is important that every piece of
text
has a
clearly named style since the document's next stop is InDesign
where
Word
styles will be mapped to InDesign styles.

Surely this must be possible?

Willy




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