You are just wonderful - as usual. Thank you so much.

Also for the hint about "Auto" height.

Jeff

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
The wrapping on the frame is not the issue; the issue is the wrapping
on the image inside the frame. When you select the image, the Picture
toolbar is displayed. On that toolbar, click on the Text Wrapping
button (dog image) and change the wrapping from In Front of Text to
Behind Text. Then when you insert a caption, it will be inline
instead of in a text box.
To correct the current situation:

1. Change the wrapping on the image to In Line With Text, which will
put it in the text paragraph instead of in front of it (this will be
much easier to see if you have nonprinting characters displayed;
displaying text boundaries is a big help as well).

2. Drag the text box out of the frame.

3. Press Enter between the image and the paragraph mark to insert a
new text paragraph in the frame.

4. Drag (or Cut/Paste) the content of the text box into that
paragraph.
5. Delete the text box.

6. Resize the frame to Auto height.

A certain amount of cleanup will be required, as you'll end up with
an empty paragraph that can't be deleted without changing the
formatting of your caption, which has some existing problems, anyway.
It might be easier just to delete the text box and recreate the
caption.

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Thanks for taking the time to help me.

How do I correct things? When I look at the "properties" of the two
frames, I now see that the first one has text wrapping option
"around" selected while the second has the text wrapping option
"none" selected. None of these are "In Line With Text" or "In Front
of Text", so I am confused.

If I click on the properties of the text box in Fig 3, the option for
"Word wrap text in Autoshape" is selected, but removing it does not
eliminate the text box. (I cannot look at properties on the caption
of Fig 2 to compare because no box appears).

I am not sure what to do about the paragraph marks you mention.

So bottom line: are you saying I did something wrong when created
Fig 3 and how do I correct the problem and avoid it in the future
(there are many more figures to go)?

Sorry for being so obtuse.

Jeff


Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
Although the two images look identical, the first one is In Line
With Text and the second one is In Front of Text (which it
shouldn't be). If you had changed the wrapping to inline before
inserting the caption, you wouldn't have gotten a text box.

Note that there are two paragraph marks in the first frame, one for
the image and one for the caption. The only paragraph in the second
frame is the one behind the image, to which both the image and the
caption are anchored.

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Hi Suzanne

I believe I did the identical things in both.

I've uploaded a version of the doc to
www.orthohelp.com/upload/2 frames.doc
(You'll have to copy and paste that url)

You will notice that if you click on the caption text in Figure 2
no text box appears, but if you click on the caption on Figure 3 a
text box appears. Both are within frames (marked by red borders
for this example). Jeff


Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
When you select a wrapped graphic, including one in a text box,
the caption will be in a text box. Are you sure you're using a
frame and not a text box?

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I'm using Word 2002 in Windows XP and this concerns a Word
document (not a website).
In this document I use frames to accurately position
illustrations and their captions.
My question concerns 2 such instances where I cannot figure out
why the behavior is different.

In both cases - within the same document - I first created a
frame into which I inserted an image and then after selecting
the image added a caption (Insert/reference/caption). In both
cases the image and the caption are within their respective
frames with the caption below the image, but, in one case the
caption is in a textbox (its borders appear when I select the
caption) while in then other there does not seem to be a text
box (no border that I can see when I select it). I cannot
understand the different behavior and how I can select for
myself which one to use or if it matters.

Any suggestions or help?

Jeff