Suzanne gave you the full name of the newsgroup. Since you're
posting from Microsoft's web interface, go to
http://www.microsoft.com/communities...rintingfont s
..

Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:

True. But, silly me, I could not find a group by that name or an address and
when I did a search on "printingfonts", "printing fonts" and even just
"fonts", I just got "Sorry, no results ..."

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


I see you have not posted a question in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts
as I suggested.

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Words into Type
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"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
. com wrote in message
...

I installed Word 97 as you indicated. However, when I opened a document,

the

same problems were still there. I have tried using the old fonts, the old
printer driver, various Word options and compatibility settings, and have
gotten nowhere. The only thing I know to do is go back and reformat every
paragraph, including very precise format settings for text in table cells

to

create formulas. Unfortunately, most of these documents are training
workbooks and have to deal with mainframe programming code which, for
example, requires that an instruction or line of code must be on a single
line. I also have a technical book where the publisher issues supplements

of

only changed pages, so I don't yet know how to handle this. I figure all
this will take me several weeks. I did have some minor formatting

problems

when I went from Word 6.0 to Word 97, but nothing like this.

I really appreciate all the ideas offered by you and others in this
discussion group.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


I don't think the problem is as simple as lines being wider or narrower,
more that the way Word determines the spaces between words may have

changed,

or there may have been a change in the font metrics. But this is way

outside

my field of expertise. You might try asking in
microsoft.public.word.printingfonts.

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Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
t.com wrote in message
...

Your response that there was a change in metrics finally makes some

sense

to

me. However, one thing I just can't get past is this. If Word's

metrics

make a line slightly wider, how can a word be moved UP to the

preceding

line.

This has really got me buggy. I have been working on several

documents

for

days and have a long way to go as this affects several dozen documents

of

anywhere from 22 to 650 pages.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the

line.

I

don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I

saw

this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened

in a

newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget

whether

the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any

more

or

right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the

margin

or

what, but it was very annoying.

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Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
oft.com wrote in

message

...

Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not

counting)

about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is

probably

because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient

distance

from

the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have

one

or

more

words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the

paragraphs

have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding

line

in

the

paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that

the

font,

font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words

or

from

the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is

left-justified?

If

so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at

straws,

I

know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


You might also try selecting "Do full justification like

WordPerfect" in

Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses

justified

lines

a

bit.

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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
osoft.com wrote in

message

...

Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP

machine as

well

as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and

forth

between

printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I

could

sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did

not

resolve

the

problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right

indenting

a

test

paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph.

I

guess

I

don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format

the

display

and

print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it

"OldArial",

but

Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a

snapshot of

a

test

paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I

didn't

see

any

differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing

between

letters.

It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:


This is nothing to do with any difference between the file

formats

of

Word

97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with

the

fact

that

different printer drivers (and possibly different releases

of

the

font

files) were used to create the documents. Word formats

according

to

the

current printer driver. You would have to have the same

printer

driver

(and

I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines

present as

when

you

created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your

current

installation

will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:

Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003

with

Word

2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on

2003,

line

spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to

cause

many,

many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes

of

12

and

14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits

on

the

line

above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and

programming

code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise

and

critical.

Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may

overflow

resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely

aligned.

I

have tried every option I can think of including all

compatibility

options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics

turned

on

and

off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things

like

reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right

indent

by

even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have

to do

this

line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a

week

just

finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten

documents.

I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem

(although I

am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter?

Can I

keep