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Default Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"


Now you may reply that the average user will get around that little problem
of a much needed common command not always being instantly accessible, by
adding the command to the "Quick Access Toolbar." But given that the
average user does not even care enough about going beyond the surface of
Word to use Ctrl+I for Italic, let alone to do any customizing at all, then
he or she is not going to add frequenly used commands to the Quick Access
Toolbar. As a result, with Word 2007, it will take MORE steps for the
average user to access commonly used commands (which used to be ALWAYS
displayed on the now defunct Formatting and Standard toolbars), than it did
previously.




"Larry" wrote in message
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Then by your implied logic, and by Microsoft's explicit logic, keyboard
shortcuts should be eliminated.

Larry

P.S. Indeed, not only do most users not work like me, the great majority

of
users do not even use the most basic keyboard commands, such as Ctrl+I for
italic. The average typist in an office would rather use the mouse to
click on the Italic button in the formatting bar. Further, with Word

2007,
the formatting commands are only displayed if the "Home" tab of the Ribbon
is displayed. So if our typist has just used some other tab of the

Ribbon,
she would first have to switch back to the "Home" tab in order to access

the
Italic command.

Oh, what a brilliant, user-friendly, intuitive interface!



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
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But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way

you
do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble

to
customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no

desire
to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in

keyboard
shortcuts at all.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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so
all may benefit.

"Larry" wrote in message
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Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros

to
prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing

unless
I
wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It

was
a
bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep

popping
up.
Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it,

it
was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the

scrollbars
when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case

and
generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word

window.
So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the
Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never
display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background

screen
is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and

pleasing
to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default

state
is
an incredible eyesore.

The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I

do
things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I
developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background

off
and
on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the
capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the

start
of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the

first
letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three

custom
menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros

takes
just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's

posible
to replicate something like that in 2007.

Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my
customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take

one
step
in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke)

take
two
steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is

that
things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes.

So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and

Word's
operation as simple as possible.

Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it

impossible
to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that

incredibly
complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it.




"Beth Melton" wrote in message
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I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-)

If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the

first
people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this

he'll
have
a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and

are
still
around. grin

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assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"Larry" wrote in message
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Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade

me
that
trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of

operation
was
for the Greater Good.


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time.

You know, Larry, just based on previous discussions I've had with

you
on
topics of an even more simiplic nature I know there nothing I can

say
to
you
that will change your mind...