It sounds as if this document needs only one section break, between the
front matter and the main document, unless you have numerous chapters and
want a different first page in each one (which can be attacked later). Start
by deleting *all* section breaks in your document. Then go to
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm and carefully
follow the instructions, inserting a section break when instructed.
Assuming you have already enabled "Different first page" and "Different odd
and even," keep in mind that you will have to use Show Next (or Show
Previous) more than once to skip from, say, the First Page Footer in section
1 to the First Page Footer in section 2 (and if you don't have at least
three pages in section 1, you'll need to add pages temporarily to get access
to all three headers/footers). You must insert a PAGE field (using Insert
Page Number) in *both* the Odd Page Footer and the Even Page Footer. If you
want the placement to be different on facing pages, then align the PAGE
field using either paragraph alignment (if the header/footer doesn't contain
other text) or the built-in tab stops.
I think that you *can* figure this out provided you pay attention to the
header/footer label when you're working. It will say, for example, "Even
Page Header - Section 2." Make sure you are in the right header/footer
before you add text or PAGE fields.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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http://word.mvps.org
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"PhilB" wrote in message
...
I've just spent several hours trying to use the comments in your last
post.
Maybe if I approach this differently, I may be able to get it right. At
the
moment, my document has front and main text with different number formats
and
both have a different first page. Both are formatted fine and I have two
sections to my document. The three things I want to accomplish are to
have
the front matter numbered in Roman with a different first page, the main
text
numberred in Arabic with a different first page, and finally the main
document showing different odd and even page headers (author/title.)
Should I do the author/title first or the numbering?
Should I end up with three break insertions, one for the front matter
numbering, one for the Arabic numbering and one for the odd and even page
headers?
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
First of all, if you're using Insert | Page Numbers to add page numbers,
don't! If you have previously done so, go through and delete all the
page
numbers. Unfortunately, Word doesn't provide an easy way to do this (for
example, there's no "None" selection in the Insert | Page Numbers dialog
that will remove existing page numbers), and you have to be sure you get
the
frame along with the PAGE field (see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...lyIndented.htm)
Now, realize that adding page numbers to the Odd Page Footer doesn't
affect
the Even Page Footer and vice versa. You have to do it manually both
places,
using the Insert Page Number button on the Header and Footer toolbar.
Format
the page numbers using the Format Page Number button; if you set
numbering
to restart in the section after your front matter, then it may continue
to
restart in each succeeding section you add unless you change to
"Continue
from previous section."
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"PhilB" wrote in message
...
Suzanne
Yes, I did see your first reply. I didn't understand your statement,
'the
fourth time' until I realized my original post ended up being posted 4
times.
I went to all the links you gave me(and I have been to yours before).
Obviously I am doing something wrong, but I have tried every
combination I
can think of, all without the desired result. I go over each step two
or
three times to be sure I am doing it correctly. When I insert a new
section,
put in the odd page header and even page header, and check 'different
odd
and
even', the numbering in the footer gets changed as well and alternates
between a number and a blank, i.e., page one blank footer, page 2
numbered,
page 3 blank, page 4 numbered, etc. I want the author/title for just
the
main document, beginning with chapter one, and without any changes to
the
numbering in the front and main body of the text.
In reading over your latest reply, you said, 'Different odd and
even,
when
enabled applies to the whole document. Is that the answer? I cannot
have
it
only on the main text in the book? I know you are answering many of
these
questions for many posters, and that you are volunteering your time.
It
was
your assistance in the past that enabled me to number my book with
separate
front and main text and omit the numbers on the first page of each.
Numbering is now a snap because of your article.
I am so sorry for this long post, but I just wish, instead of
general
instructions,or referrals to links, I could get a step by step to add
the
author/title and without disturbing the rest of the document. I will
not
bother you any more with this. You are the only one who has responded
previously (and often) and who has been of any help to me. I just
want to
get on with my writing and not spend days and days on this one issue.
I'm
going to be 74 in December and I find my frustration level is very low
these
days. Thank you for your past help.
Phil Birmingham
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
Did you see my reply to your first posting? I think if you read
those
referenced articles things will become clearer, but here are the
essentials:
1. You can have up to three different headers/footers in any
section:
First
Page Header, Even Page Header, Odd Page Header. When you check the
box
for
"Different first page," you can apply it to a specific section or
the
entire
document. "Different odd and even," when enabled, applies to the
whole
document.
2. Except when using a StyleRef field in a header (see
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm), you will need to
add a
section break every time you want to change the content of any one
of
these
three headers/footers, *and* you must unlink that header/footer in
the
new
section from the corresponding one in the previous section.
3. If you want to have different running heads on recto and verso
pages,
you
need to check "Different odd and even." If you want to omit the head
on
the
first page of a chapter, you need to check "Different first page."
4. Generally speaking, if your running heads will be mostly the same
throughout the document (or will use a StyleRef field to pick up the
chapter
title), it's easier to insert their content *before* inserting the
section
breaks (or at least before unlinking the headers if required).
Again, I refer you to these articles:
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...rontMatter.htm
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"PhilB" wrote in message
...
Suzanne
I have been to countless sites, read countless FAQ's and various
articles
on
this particular question. I have also been to training and forums
at
Microsoft Office. I download and print the articles and attempt
to
add
the
author and title, only to have it mess up the numbering. Isn't
there
somehwere to get a step by step to do what I want to do? Only
then
will I
be
able to determine what box I am checking or not checking, etc. I
can
format
for page numbers, make the first page different and break the
document
into
front and main text with different numbering system. When I try
to
use
'different page', etc. to add the author and title, everything
gets
screwed
up. Contrary to what might seem obvious, I am intelligent and
have a
better
than average vocabulary, but this thing is eluding me somehow.
I'm
sorry
to
be a pest, but I have followed whatever leads you and others have
directed
me
to. I need a step by step, it's as simple as that.
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
The answer the fourth time is the same as the first, q.v.
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"PhilB" wrote in message
...
I have been working for most of several days to accomplish one
thing,
which
is still eluding me. I am working with Word 2003.
I have written a novel. I have broken it into two sections.
The
first
section contains the front matter with lower case Roman
numerals.
The
second
section contains Arabic numerals. Both sections have
'different
first
page'
checked off on page layout and they look fine.
What I am now attempting to do is Put the title of the book on
odd
pages
and
the author name on the even pages. I have tried everything I
can
possibly
think of, and chased down innumerable tutorials on the
Internet
for
doing
this. As with the other sections, I am attempting to leave
Title
off
the
first page.
I have been playing with adding sections, turning the 'same as
previous'
on
and off, 'different odd and even', etc. but still, no matter
what
I
do, I
end
up messing up what I have previously done.
I would GREATLY appreciate a step by step instruction on how
to
accomplish
the foregoing. By using that, I will be able to determine
what I
did
or
did
not do correctly. I am at wits end, and would appreciate
whatever
help
you
can give me.
Phil Birmingham