In my case I have a text box down the left side of the page creating an
artificially wide left margin on just the first page, which results in a
different line length on page 1 from page 2 (for an example, see the "More
complex letterhead" illustration at
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm).

If your frame is entirely in the footer area, this should not cause a
problem. If the footer margin is not large enough to accommodate the frame,
I can see that this might have an effect.

A lot of people do use the table setup (I have never needed it); if you set
the table width to 100%, perhaps it would adapt to landscape pages?

Whether you use tabs or a table, given that you have to have section breaks
around landscape pages anyway, you can unlink the header/footer and change
the table width or tab stops or even apply a Landscape Header/Footer style.

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"Mary" wrote in message
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Thanks Suzanne.

I'm not sure what it means when you say "when the line width changes
between
one page and the next."

Are you saying that widow/orphan control is always an issue when frames
are
used in footers or also when they are used on the page too? The earlier
versions of these templates used a single row, two-column table in the
footer to create a left and right pane. That seemed to work pretty well,
but
when the templates were revised, the owner said that the table in the
footer
was problematic for some autotext entries associated with the footer, so
it
was replaced by the footers with frames.

How would you set up a replacement footer that would accomodate what are
like two text blocks, one on the left, one on the right? I think part of
the
problem with the table approach or just using a right-aligned tab in the
footer style was that it doesn't automatically adapt when a landscape page
is inserted.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I can confirm the issue. It seems that Word just isn't up to calculating
where the page breaks fall when the line width changes between one page
and
the next. I've learned to live with it in the few templates I have that
use
frames or text boxes this way.

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Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Mary" wrote in message
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I'm using Word 2003 on Windows XP. For some time, widow/orphan control
has
not been working in documents based on our corporate templates. If text
(and
styles) is copied from a document based on one of these templates into
a
document based on Normal.dot, then the text behaves as it should, i.e.,
widow/orphan works as expected.

When I previously posted this question a few months ago, it was
suggested
that the issue might be having too many paragraphs formatted "keep with
next." That is not the case as this happens with just a page or two of
text
with no special paragraph formatting. However, I'm now fairly sure that
the
problem is being caused by a frame in the footer. The footers of all
these
templates are set up in such a way that there is some text on the left
and
on the right there is a frame containing the company logo and some
additional text (copyright notice, page number and date). The frame
appears
to be aligned with the right margin and the top of the header area.
However,
if the frame is deleted, the text behaves itself, i.e., widow/orphan
works.

Since I don't own the templates, it's not an option for me to revise
all
of
them by removing the frames in the footer. But is there something in
the
frame formatting that could be changed so it doesn't interfere with the
text
on the page? The frame is formatted as follows: 2.5 inches high, 1.18
inches
wide, horizontal position right relative to margin, distance from text
0.13
inches, vertical position 9.83 inches relative to margin, distance from
text
0 inches. Move with text and lock anchor are unchecked. Document
margins
set
to one inch on all sides and paper size is US letter.

My workaround to date has been to used Keep Lines Together to prevent
ugly
paragraph breaks, but this is time-consuming in long documents and
looks
bad
in long paragraphs.Any suggestions please.