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Master Doc and deleting Section Breaks
I read from a reference here that section breaks are the major cause
(or A major cause) of Master corruption. Instructions said to delete all section breaks, but.... that is not allowed on Master Documents. You can't delete the section breaks. Do you have to create a macro or something to do this? I am resorting to Master only because I have about 15000 page document and the "customer" wants it in one Master Document. |
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Master Doc and deleting Section Breaks
Hi Yepp,
I read from a reference here that section breaks are the major cause (or A major cause) of Master corruption. Instructions said to delete all section breaks, but.... that is not allowed on Master Documents. You can't delete the section breaks. Do you have to create a macro or something to do this? I am resorting to Master only because I have about 15000 page document and the "customer" wants it in one Master Document. Does the customer really want a Master document, or just a "master" document? If he's certain he wants a Word Master Document, which features available ONLY in Master Docs does he hope to use? I generally have no problem removing section breaks in a Master document... Which version of Word are you using? How are you trying to delete the section breaks? Note that the section breaks are necessary if you need to retain individual page setup information or headers/footers from the sub-documents. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Master Doc and deleting Section Breaks
Cindy M -WordMVP- wrote: Hi Yepp, I read from a reference here that section breaks are the major cause (or A major cause) of Master corruption. Instructions said to delete all section breaks, but.... that is not allowed on Master Documents. You can't delete the section breaks. Do you have to create a macro or something to do this? I am resorting to Master only because I have about 15000 page document and the "customer" wants it in one Master Document. Does the customer really want a Master document, or just a "master" document? If he's certain he wants a Word Master Document, which features available ONLY in Master Docs does he hope to use? I generally have no problem removing section breaks in a Master document... Which version of Word are you using? How are you trying to delete the section breaks? Note that the section breaks are necessary if you need to retain individual page setup information or headers/footers from the sub-documents. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Hi. I'm using Word2002. If I right-click and try to cut the break or press delete, it will not let me do that. Message reads "You cannot change a locked subdocument or Master document." I do not see the section breaks in expanded mode. Only on the outline view. |
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Master Doc and deleting Section Breaks
Hi Yepp,
I'm using Word2002. If I right-click and try to cut the break or press delete, it will not let me do that. Try positioning the cursor just before (or, in the Outline view "on") the section break. Shift+Right arrow to select it. Now press Delete. Message reads "You cannot change a locked subdocument or Master document." I do not see the section breaks in expanded mode. Only on the outline view. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Cindy M -WordMVP- wrote: Hi Yepp, I'm using Word2002. If I right-click and try to cut the break or press delete, it will not let me do that. Try positioning the cursor just before (or, in the Outline view "on") the section break. Shift+Right arrow to select it. Now press Delete. Message reads "You cannot change a locked subdocument or Master document." I do not see the section breaks in expanded mode. Only on the outline view. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) I still get the same message.... "You cannot change a locked subdocument or Master document." |
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Master Doc and deleting Section Breaks
Hi Yepp,
I still get the same message.... "You cannot change a locked subdocument or Master document." Have you expanded the Master document to display the full document texts? You do need to do that in order to make any changes... Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Cindy M -WordMVP- wrote: Hi Yepp, I still get the same message.... "You cannot change a locked subdocument or Master document." Have you expanded the Master document to display the full document texts? You do need to do that in order to make any changes... Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Yes, I have them expanded. I am inserting subdocuments (other word documents) From the instructions on the Help menu, it says "Microsoft Word inserts a next page section break before the subdocument and a continuous section break after it." Since MS inserts these page breaks, maybe that is why I cannot delete them?? |
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Master Doc and deleting Section Breaks
Hi Yepp,
I am inserting subdocuments (other word documents) From the instructions on the Help menu, it says "Microsoft Word inserts a next page section break before the subdocument and a continuous section break after it." Since MS inserts these page breaks, maybe that is why I cannot delete them?? Well, *I* can delete them, so that's not the issue... Best guess, in this case, is that the file structure has been damaged - not so unusual for a Master Document (which is why one discourages their use). If you start over with a new Master document and insert a couple of documents can you delete these section breaks? And, I'll come back again to a question I asked right at the beginning of this discussion: Are you absolutely sure the customer wants to use this feature? WHY does he insist on it? What does it offer him that's not otherwise available? How is he planning to use it? Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Master Doc and deleting Section Breaks
Cindy M -WordMVP- wrote: Hi Yepp, I am inserting subdocuments (other word documents) From the instructions on the Help menu, it says "Microsoft Word inserts a next page section break before the subdocument and a continuous section break after it." Since MS inserts these page breaks, maybe that is why I cannot delete them?? Well, *I* can delete them, so that's not the issue... Best guess, in this case, is that the file structure has been damaged - not so unusual for a Master Document (which is why one discourages their use). If you start over with a new Master document and insert a couple of documents can you delete these section breaks? And, I'll come back again to a question I asked right at the beginning of this discussion: Are you absolutely sure the customer wants to use this feature? WHY does he insist on it? What does it offer him that's not otherwise available? How is he planning to use it? Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Hi Cindy, Yes, I started several new "Masters" and the same thing happens on all. Even one with only 1 sub document added. The finished file is to put into PDF format and sent to the customer. Also, that is what they requested. But, I have had so much trouble, I started to make files of 500 pages each and will do a separate TOC in a document and reference them. After I am finished with the separate 500 pages, I will *TRY* to incorporate them into a Master file, but I have doubts. I don't know why you can delete section breaks and I can't. I am using XP. |
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Master Doc and deleting Section Breaks
If you want to keep the chapters in separate files but don't want to use a
Master Document, take a look at this article Creating a Table of Contents Spanning Multiple Documents http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/P...cle.asp?ID=148 -- Regards Jonathan West - Word MVP www.intelligentdocuments.co.uk Please reply to the newsgroup Keep your VBA code safe, sign the ClassicVB petition www.classicvb.org "yepp" wrote in message oups.com... Cindy M -WordMVP- wrote: Hi Yepp, I am inserting subdocuments (other word documents) From the instructions on the Help menu, it says "Microsoft Word inserts a next page section break before the subdocument and a continuous section break after it." Since MS inserts these page breaks, maybe that is why I cannot delete them?? Well, *I* can delete them, so that's not the issue... Best guess, in this case, is that the file structure has been damaged - not so unusual for a Master Document (which is why one discourages their use). If you start over with a new Master document and insert a couple of documents can you delete these section breaks? And, I'll come back again to a question I asked right at the beginning of this discussion: Are you absolutely sure the customer wants to use this feature? WHY does he insist on it? What does it offer him that's not otherwise available? How is he planning to use it? Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Hi Cindy, Yes, I started several new "Masters" and the same thing happens on all. Even one with only 1 sub document added. The finished file is to put into PDF format and sent to the customer. Also, that is what they requested. But, I have had so much trouble, I started to make files of 500 pages each and will do a separate TOC in a document and reference them. After I am finished with the separate 500 pages, I will *TRY* to incorporate them into a Master file, but I have doubts. I don't know why you can delete section breaks and I can't. I am using XP. |
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Master Doc and deleting Section Breaks
Hi Yepp,
The finished file is to put into PDF format and sent to the customer. Also, that is what they requested. But, I have had so much trouble, I started to make files of 500 pages each and will do a separate TOC in a document and reference them. If what's being delivered to the customer is a single PDF file, I can't understand why they'd insist (or care) how you produce it... You should definitely take a look at the link Jonathan has pointed you at. After I am finished with the separate 500 pages, I will *TRY* to incorporate them into a Master file, but I have doubts. So have I :-) Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Master Doc and deleting Section Breaks
You do _not_ need to use the Master Document "feature" and should avoid
doing so. "Master Document" is a term of art in Word referring to a "feature" that not only doesn't work but also destroys documents. The consensus (with the limited exception of Steve Hudson) among those offering advice on these newsgroups is that using the Master Document feature is a good way to destroy your document. It can destroy parts of your document that you are not even working on! I think John McGhie said it succinctly when he said that there are two kinds of Master Documents: Those that are corrupt and those that will be corrupt soon. See http://www.addbalance.com/word/masterdocuments.htm for information on the Master Document feature and workarounds. See http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ocsCorrupt.htm for more information on what goes wrong, and http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...MasterDocs.htm for ideas on how to salvage what you can. See http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/ma...masterdocs.doc for Steve Hudson's instructions if you are willing to follow them very carefully. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/ which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "yepp" wrote in message oups.com... Cindy M -WordMVP- wrote: Hi Yepp, I am inserting subdocuments (other word documents) From the instructions on the Help menu, it says "Microsoft Word inserts a next page section break before the subdocument and a continuous section break after it." Since MS inserts these page breaks, maybe that is why I cannot delete them?? Well, *I* can delete them, so that's not the issue... Best guess, in this case, is that the file structure has been damaged - not so unusual for a Master Document (which is why one discourages their use). If you start over with a new Master document and insert a couple of documents can you delete these section breaks? And, I'll come back again to a question I asked right at the beginning of this discussion: Are you absolutely sure the customer wants to use this feature? WHY does he insist on it? What does it offer him that's not otherwise available? How is he planning to use it? Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Hi Cindy, Yes, I started several new "Masters" and the same thing happens on all. Even one with only 1 sub document added. The finished file is to put into PDF format and sent to the customer. Also, that is what they requested. But, I have had so much trouble, I started to make files of 500 pages each and will do a separate TOC in a document and reference them. After I am finished with the separate 500 pages, I will *TRY* to incorporate them into a Master file, but I have doubts. I don't know why you can delete section breaks and I can't. I am using XP. |