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Positioning a table
I'm working on a book chapter. Here's the problem. Suppose I have a table
(about one-half page long) that I want to appear at the first available space after the paragraph that refers to the table. This could be immediately below the paragraph if there's enough room left on the page. Then the next paragraph would start right after the table. However, if there's not enough room left on the page I would want the table to go to the top of the next page. And I would want the next paragraph to immediately follow the reference paragraph (not leave a bunch of white space on the page). That seems like a very basic text layout function but I can't figure out how to do it in Word. I could manually position the table but I hate to have to check each table and, if necessary, reposition it just because I do some editing early in the document. Help! Thanks! - Matt |
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Thanks, Suzanne.
Unfortunately, that technique can cause a break (and a bunch of white space) on the previous page. Rather frustrating! Here is this expensive, widely used word-processing program that can't automatically position tables (and other objects) in a standard manner. Maybe Microsoft will change it in a future version. Regardless, thank you for your assistance! - Matt "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The best you can do in current Word versions is to position the (wrapped) table as Top or Bottom Relative to Margins. It will always be on the same page as the paragraph to which it is anchored (which should be the one in which it is referenced), but if you position it as Top, it may be above the text reference. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt Baretich" Matt wrote in message ... I'm working on a book chapter. Here's the problem. Suppose I have a table (about one-half page long) that I want to appear at the first available space after the paragraph that refers to the table. This could be immediately below the paragraph if there's enough room left on the page. Then the next paragraph would start right after the table. However, if there's not enough room left on the page I would want the table to go to the top of the next page. And I would want the next paragraph to immediately follow the reference paragraph (not leave a bunch of white space on the page). That seems like a very basic text layout function but I can't figure out how to do it in Word. I could manually position the table but I hate to have to check each table and, if necessary, reposition it just because I do some editing early in the document. Help! Thanks! - Matt |
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No, you have misunderstood me. If you wrap text around the table (or put it
in a frame), then the table will appear at the top of the page where it is referenced, but text will flow around it. If the text reference flows back to the previous page, the table will go with it. The problem, of course, is that there may be room for the reference but not the table, in which case you would have to move the anchor to a paragraph on the following page so that it would be at the top of that page. Personally, I find wrapped objects difficult to deal with, and I avoid them except when I need to wrap text to the side of an object. My preferred approach is to avoid positioning objects until editing is complete, then go through the document from start to finish, adjusting placement of (inline) objects in the edited pages. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt" wrote in message ... Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that technique can cause a break (and a bunch of white space) on the previous page. Rather frustrating! Here is this expensive, widely used word-processing program that can't automatically position tables (and other objects) in a standard manner. Maybe Microsoft will change it in a future version. Regardless, thank you for your assistance! - Matt "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The best you can do in current Word versions is to position the (wrapped) table as Top or Bottom Relative to Margins. It will always be on the same page as the paragraph to which it is anchored (which should be the one in which it is referenced), but if you position it as Top, it may be above the text reference. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt Baretich" Matt wrote in message ... I'm working on a book chapter. Here's the problem. Suppose I have a table (about one-half page long) that I want to appear at the first available space after the paragraph that refers to the table. This could be immediately below the paragraph if there's enough room left on the page. Then the next paragraph would start right after the table. However, if there's not enough room left on the page I would want the table to go to the top of the next page. And I would want the next paragraph to immediately follow the reference paragraph (not leave a bunch of white space on the page). That seems like a very basic text layout function but I can't figure out how to do it in Word. I could manually position the table but I hate to have to check each table and, if necessary, reposition it just because I do some editing early in the document. Help! Thanks! - Matt |
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Well, I respect your knowledge but it just doesn't work that way for the
situation I'm dealing with. I imagine that I'm not explaining things well. I wish it were possible to show you a sample file. Thanks for your help. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: No, you have misunderstood me. If you wrap text around the table (or put it in a frame), then the table will appear at the top of the page where it is referenced, but text will flow around it. If the text reference flows back to the previous page, the table will go with it. The problem, of course, is that there may be room for the reference but not the table, in which case you would have to move the anchor to a paragraph on the following page so that it would be at the top of that page. Personally, I find wrapped objects difficult to deal with, and I avoid them except when I need to wrap text to the side of an object. My preferred approach is to avoid positioning objects until editing is complete, then go through the document from start to finish, adjusting placement of (inline) objects in the edited pages. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt" wrote in message ... Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that technique can cause a break (and a bunch of white space) on the previous page. Rather frustrating! Here is this expensive, widely used word-processing program that can't automatically position tables (and other objects) in a standard manner. Maybe Microsoft will change it in a future version. Regardless, thank you for your assistance! - Matt "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The best you can do in current Word versions is to position the (wrapped) table as Top or Bottom Relative to Margins. It will always be on the same page as the paragraph to which it is anchored (which should be the one in which it is referenced), but if you position it as Top, it may be above the text reference. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt Baretich" Matt wrote in message ... I'm working on a book chapter. Here's the problem. Suppose I have a table (about one-half page long) that I want to appear at the first available space after the paragraph that refers to the table. This could be immediately below the paragraph if there's enough room left on the page. Then the next paragraph would start right after the table. However, if there's not enough room left on the page I would want the table to go to the top of the next page. And I would want the next paragraph to immediately follow the reference paragraph (not leave a bunch of white space on the page). That seems like a very basic text layout function but I can't figure out how to do it in Word. I could manually position the table but I hate to have to check each table and, if necessary, reposition it just because I do some editing early in the document. Help! Thanks! - Matt |
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I understand exactly what you're trying to do. I'm telling you that Word
cannot do exactly that. I have described a situation that is the closest you will get under current conditions. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt" wrote in message ... Well, I respect your knowledge but it just doesn't work that way for the situation I'm dealing with. I imagine that I'm not explaining things well. I wish it were possible to show you a sample file. Thanks for your help. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: No, you have misunderstood me. If you wrap text around the table (or put it in a frame), then the table will appear at the top of the page where it is referenced, but text will flow around it. If the text reference flows back to the previous page, the table will go with it. The problem, of course, is that there may be room for the reference but not the table, in which case you would have to move the anchor to a paragraph on the following page so that it would be at the top of that page. Personally, I find wrapped objects difficult to deal with, and I avoid them except when I need to wrap text to the side of an object. My preferred approach is to avoid positioning objects until editing is complete, then go through the document from start to finish, adjusting placement of (inline) objects in the edited pages. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt" wrote in message ... Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that technique can cause a break (and a bunch of white space) on the previous page. Rather frustrating! Here is this expensive, widely used word-processing program that can't automatically position tables (and other objects) in a standard manner. Maybe Microsoft will change it in a future version. Regardless, thank you for your assistance! - Matt "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The best you can do in current Word versions is to position the (wrapped) table as Top or Bottom Relative to Margins. It will always be on the same page as the paragraph to which it is anchored (which should be the one in which it is referenced), but if you position it as Top, it may be above the text reference. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt Baretich" Matt wrote in message ... I'm working on a book chapter. Here's the problem. Suppose I have a table (about one-half page long) that I want to appear at the first available space after the paragraph that refers to the table. This could be immediately below the paragraph if there's enough room left on the page. Then the next paragraph would start right after the table. However, if there's not enough room left on the page I would want the table to go to the top of the next page. And I would want the next paragraph to immediately follow the reference paragraph (not leave a bunch of white space on the page). That seems like a very basic text layout function but I can't figure out how to do it in Word. I could manually position the table but I hate to have to check each table and, if necessary, reposition it just because I do some editing early in the document. Help! Thanks! - Matt |
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I apologize if my frustration has been showing through. I think I understand
what you're telling me and it's consistent with my understanding of how Word works. My frustration is not with your excellent assistance; my frustration is with Microsoft for not addressing this fundamental issue. If I have to do a bunch of manual formatting on a book-length project then I might as well move to a program like LaTeX. Alas! Thanks for your help. Keep up the good work! - Matt "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I understand exactly what you're trying to do. I'm telling you that Word cannot do exactly that. I have described a situation that is the closest you will get under current conditions. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt" wrote in message ... Well, I respect your knowledge but it just doesn't work that way for the situation I'm dealing with. I imagine that I'm not explaining things well. I wish it were possible to show you a sample file. Thanks for your help. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: No, you have misunderstood me. If you wrap text around the table (or put it in a frame), then the table will appear at the top of the page where it is referenced, but text will flow around it. If the text reference flows back to the previous page, the table will go with it. The problem, of course, is that there may be room for the reference but not the table, in which case you would have to move the anchor to a paragraph on the following page so that it would be at the top of that page. Personally, I find wrapped objects difficult to deal with, and I avoid them except when I need to wrap text to the side of an object. My preferred approach is to avoid positioning objects until editing is complete, then go through the document from start to finish, adjusting placement of (inline) objects in the edited pages. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt" wrote in message ... Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that technique can cause a break (and a bunch of white space) on the previous page. Rather frustrating! Here is this expensive, widely used word-processing program that can't automatically position tables (and other objects) in a standard manner. Maybe Microsoft will change it in a future version. Regardless, thank you for your assistance! - Matt "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The best you can do in current Word versions is to position the (wrapped) table as Top or Bottom Relative to Margins. It will always be on the same page as the paragraph to which it is anchored (which should be the one in which it is referenced), but if you position it as Top, it may be above the text reference. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt Baretich" Matt wrote in message ... I'm working on a book chapter. Here's the problem. Suppose I have a table (about one-half page long) that I want to appear at the first available space after the paragraph that refers to the table. This could be immediately below the paragraph if there's enough room left on the page. Then the next paragraph would start right after the table. However, if there's not enough room left on the page I would want the table to go to the top of the next page. And I would want the next paragraph to immediately follow the reference paragraph (not leave a bunch of white space on the page). That seems like a very basic text layout function but I can't figure out how to do it in Word. I could manually position the table but I hate to have to check each table and, if necessary, reposition it just because I do some editing early in the document. Help! Thanks! - Matt |
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Thanks for understanding. Just keep in mind that we're all equally
frustrated. FWIW, every book I've typeset (well, at least every one that had pictures) was a carefully handcrafted production for just this reason. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt" wrote in message ... I apologize if my frustration has been showing through. I think I understand what you're telling me and it's consistent with my understanding of how Word works. My frustration is not with your excellent assistance; my frustration is with Microsoft for not addressing this fundamental issue. If I have to do a bunch of manual formatting on a book-length project then I might as well move to a program like LaTeX. Alas! Thanks for your help. Keep up the good work! - Matt "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I understand exactly what you're trying to do. I'm telling you that Word cannot do exactly that. I have described a situation that is the closest you will get under current conditions. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt" wrote in message ... Well, I respect your knowledge but it just doesn't work that way for the situation I'm dealing with. I imagine that I'm not explaining things well. I wish it were possible to show you a sample file. Thanks for your help. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: No, you have misunderstood me. If you wrap text around the table (or put it in a frame), then the table will appear at the top of the page where it is referenced, but text will flow around it. If the text reference flows back to the previous page, the table will go with it. The problem, of course, is that there may be room for the reference but not the table, in which case you would have to move the anchor to a paragraph on the following page so that it would be at the top of that page. Personally, I find wrapped objects difficult to deal with, and I avoid them except when I need to wrap text to the side of an object. My preferred approach is to avoid positioning objects until editing is complete, then go through the document from start to finish, adjusting placement of (inline) objects in the edited pages. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt" wrote in message ... Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that technique can cause a break (and a bunch of white space) on the previous page. Rather frustrating! Here is this expensive, widely used word-processing program that can't automatically position tables (and other objects) in a standard manner. Maybe Microsoft will change it in a future version. Regardless, thank you for your assistance! - Matt "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: The best you can do in current Word versions is to position the (wrapped) table as Top or Bottom Relative to Margins. It will always be on the same page as the paragraph to which it is anchored (which should be the one in which it is referenced), but if you position it as Top, it may be above the text reference. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Matt Baretich" Matt wrote in message ... I'm working on a book chapter. Here's the problem. Suppose I have a table (about one-half page long) that I want to appear at the first available space after the paragraph that refers to the table. This could be immediately below the paragraph if there's enough room left on the page. Then the next paragraph would start right after the table. However, if there's not enough room left on the page I would want the table to go to the top of the next page. And I would want the next paragraph to immediately follow the reference paragraph (not leave a bunch of white space on the page). That seems like a very basic text layout function but I can't figure out how to do it in Word. I could manually position the table but I hate to have to check each table and, if necessary, reposition it just because I do some editing early in the document. Help! Thanks! - Matt |
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