[Dave Neve]

Hello

I'm trying to get to understand the system better and I have tested it out
on a document.

But I was surprised by the 'results'.

I wanted the document not to be modifiable and I kind of thought it would
become like a .pdf file and the copyright logo unerasable.

But by selecting the logo and clicking on 'erase', it disappeared.

So what is the use of this system and why do we have to visit a Microsoft
server to download the 'logo'.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks

Dave Neve

[Shauna Kelly]

Hi Dave

I think we're going to need some more clues here.

What version of Word are you using?
What are you trying to achieve?
What steps did you follow?
What happened?
What did you expect to happen?

Shauna

Shauna Kelly. Microsoft MVP.
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word


"Dave Neve" wrote in message
...
Hello

I'm trying to get to understand the system better and I have tested it out
on a document.

But I was surprised by the 'results'.

I wanted the document not to be modifiable and I kind of thought it would
become like a .pdf file and the copyright logo unerasable.

But by selecting the logo and clicking on 'erase', it disappeared.

So what is the use of this system and why do we have to visit a Microsoft
server to download the 'logo'.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks

Dave Neve

[Duncan]

Hi,

My basic understanding of the CC (Creative Commons) license, and plug-in for
Word goes along the following lines. There are different CC licenses,
viewable at http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses/, such as attribute,
noncommercial etc. Normally, to generate the "logo" you go to the CC website
and choose the license you want by filling out a short questionnaire. The CC
plugin simply allows you direct integration into MS Word. The "logo" it
places at the bottom of the page will then inform users (by simple glance of
by clicking on the hyperlinked "logo") what the terms for copyright
protection are. It doesn't "lock" the document, but merely establishes a
legal baseline for the copyright rules you have placed on your creation. I
haven't used the plugin yet personally on anything, but I do have it
installed. But if, like you said, the "logo" is deletable then perhaps the
integration into Word is a bit pointless as it depends on the end user not to
delete the logo then pass the document on. It would be more effective on a
website, where the "logo" remains permanently and cannot be removed by the
user.

Adobe PDF files aren't exactly copyright-theft proof either however. Even
though a PDF file may have print restrictions on it for example, it doesn't
stop somebody with enough time on their hands to simply pull up your document
on their screen, and simply retype the document into another format by hand.
Likewise, copying CDs is only a matter of using one CD player to play the CD,
then using the line out to another recorder or a microphone to re-record.
Copyright is provided automatically to your work, FYI, under treaties like
the Berne Convention (if your country is a signatory - and a lot are). The CC
license, allows people with a non-legal background to quickly and easily
"release" copyright restrictions to others. So dependant on what you are
"creating" in Word, you may/may not find the need to use a CC license. I
wouldn't use one unless I knew for sure that my work was going to be
disseminated pretty widely to the public. The concept behind the CC license
is to allow those who would like to spread their work to the world to retain
some form of copyright control over their creation under terms they define.

That's my take on it. I'm not related to the CC group, so you should check
out http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ for a good FAQ about them.

Hope that helps.

-Duncan

"Dave Neve" wrote:

Hello

I'm trying to get to understand the system better and I have tested it out
on a document.

But I was surprised by the 'results'.

I wanted the document not to be modifiable and I kind of thought it would
become like a .pdf file and the copyright logo unerasable.

But by selecting the logo and clicking on 'erase', it disappeared.

So what is the use of this system and why do we have to visit a Microsoft
server to download the 'logo'.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks

Dave Neve

[Dave Neve]

Thanks to both of you.

Duncan has understood me better (men are from Mars and.....just joking!!!)

I ran the test on a .doc Shauna and it stayed as such.

Plus the fact that the logo could be erased and the .doc changed inspite of
my 'no change' option kind of made it pointless.

It now seems to be that the whole complicated system of going to a Microsoft
server is pointless and I wonder if Microsoft are getting something out of
it that they shouldn't be (like info)

The logo and the conditions could just as easily be kept on a computer and
inserted like a date.

Unless someone has something to add here, I'd say that this new tool is a
complete waste of time.

Regards

Dave Neve
"Duncan" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
Hi,

My basic understanding of the CC (Creative Commons) license, and plug-in
for
Word goes along the following lines. There are different CC licenses,
viewable at http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses/, such as attribute,
noncommercial etc. Normally, to generate the "logo" you go to the CC
website
and choose the license you want by filling out a short questionnaire. The
CC
plugin simply allows you direct integration into MS Word. The "logo" it
places at the bottom of the page will then inform users (by simple glance
of
by clicking on the hyperlinked "logo") what the terms for copyright
protection are. It doesn't "lock" the document, but merely establishes a
legal baseline for the copyright rules you have placed on your creation. I
haven't used the plugin yet personally on anything, but I do have it
installed. But if, like you said, the "logo" is deletable then perhaps the
integration into Word is a bit pointless as it depends on the end user not
to
delete the logo then pass the document on. It would be more effective on a
website, where the "logo" remains permanently and cannot be removed by the
user.

Adobe PDF files aren't exactly copyright-theft proof either however. Even
though a PDF file may have print restrictions on it for example, it
doesn't
stop somebody with enough time on their hands to simply pull up your
document
on their screen, and simply retype the document into another format by
hand.
Likewise, copying CDs is only a matter of using one CD player to play the
CD,
then using the line out to another recorder or a microphone to re-record.
Copyright is provided automatically to your work, FYI, under treaties like
the Berne Convention (if your country is a signatory - and a lot are). The
CC
license, allows people with a non-legal background to quickly and easily
"release" copyright restrictions to others. So dependant on what you are
"creating" in Word, you may/may not find the need to use a CC license. I
wouldn't use one unless I knew for sure that my work was going to be
disseminated pretty widely to the public. The concept behind the CC
license
is to allow those who would like to spread their work to the world to
retain
some form of copyright control over their creation under terms they
define.

That's my take on it. I'm not related to the CC group, so you should check
out http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ for a good FAQ about them.

Hope that helps.

-Duncan

"Dave Neve" wrote:

Hello

I'm trying to get to understand the system better and I have tested it
out
on a document.

But I was surprised by the 'results'.

I wanted the document not to be modifiable and I kind of thought it would
become like a .pdf file and the copyright logo unerasable.

But by selecting the logo and clicking on 'erase', it disappeared.

So what is the use of this system and why do we have to visit a Microsoft
server to download the 'logo'.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks

Dave Neve

[Dave Neve]

Hi

Erratum

When you pass the mouse over the logo, you do get instructions to press CTRL
+ click which takes you to a site with an explanation of the system with a
choice of languages so this is probably the advantage.

Can't demonstrate here cos I am sending in text only as it is a newsgroup.
Sorry

Dave Neve


"Dave Neve" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
Thanks to both of you.

Duncan has understood me better (men are from Mars and.....just joking!!!)

I ran the test on a .doc Shauna and it stayed as such.

Plus the fact that the logo could be erased and the .doc changed inspite
of my 'no change' option kind of made it pointless.

It now seems to be that the whole complicated system of going to a
Microsoft server is pointless and I wonder if Microsoft are getting
something out of it that they shouldn't be (like info)

The logo and the conditions could just as easily be kept on a computer and
inserted like a date.

Unless someone has something to add here, I'd say that this new tool is a
complete waste of time.

Regards

Dave Neve
"Duncan" a écrit dans le message de
news: ...
Hi,

My basic understanding of the CC (Creative Commons) license, and plug-in
for
Word goes along the following lines. There are different CC licenses,
viewable at http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses/, such as
attribute,
noncommercial etc. Normally, to generate the "logo" you go to the CC
website
and choose the license you want by filling out a short questionnaire. The
CC
plugin simply allows you direct integration into MS Word. The "logo" it
places at the bottom of the page will then inform users (by simple glance
of
by clicking on the hyperlinked "logo") what the terms for copyright
protection are. It doesn't "lock" the document, but merely establishes a
legal baseline for the copyright rules you have placed on your creation.
I
haven't used the plugin yet personally on anything, but I do have it
installed. But if, like you said, the "logo" is deletable then perhaps
the
integration into Word is a bit pointless as it depends on the end user
not to
delete the logo then pass the document on. It would be more effective on
a
website, where the "logo" remains permanently and cannot be removed by
the
user.

Adobe PDF files aren't exactly copyright-theft proof either however. Even
though a PDF file may have print restrictions on it for example, it
doesn't
stop somebody with enough time on their hands to simply pull up your
document
on their screen, and simply retype the document into another format by
hand.
Likewise, copying CDs is only a matter of using one CD player to play the
CD,
then using the line out to another recorder or a microphone to re-record.
Copyright is provided automatically to your work, FYI, under treaties
like
the Berne Convention (if your country is a signatory - and a lot are).
The CC
license, allows people with a non-legal background to quickly and easily
"release" copyright restrictions to others. So dependant on what you are
"creating" in Word, you may/may not find the need to use a CC license. I
wouldn't use one unless I knew for sure that my work was going to be
disseminated pretty widely to the public. The concept behind the CC
license
is to allow those who would like to spread their work to the world to
retain
some form of copyright control over their creation under terms they
define.

That's my take on it. I'm not related to the CC group, so you should
check
out http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ for a good FAQ about them.

Hope that helps.

-Duncan

"Dave Neve" wrote:

Hello

I'm trying to get to understand the system better and I have tested it
out
on a document.

But I was surprised by the 'results'.

I wanted the document not to be modifiable and I kind of thought it
would
become like a .pdf file and the copyright logo unerasable.

But by selecting the logo and clicking on 'erase', it disappeared.

So what is the use of this system and why do we have to visit a
Microsoft
server to download the 'logo'.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks

Dave Neve