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Manual duplex printing requires each finished page to be flipped.
In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate
two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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This sounds like a printer problem and not a Word problem. Word cannot
control the capabilities or limitations of your printer. Check your printer manual. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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Try printing in reverse order (or turn it off). Your printer spits out
paper face up, is that right? Reverse order is usually the key that adjusts for that (Word| Preferences, Print, but sometimes printers also offer an option in the File Print dialog, and having them both on cancels it out). Experiment with a short booklet. On 7/7/05 6:42 AM, "Sammy" wrote: This sounds like a printer problem and not a Word problem. Word cannot control the capabilities or limitations of your printer. Check your printer manual. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? -- Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/ MacWord Tips: http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/ What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ |
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There are some mysterious duplex-related settings on the Print tab of Tools
| Options that presumably control this. You might also try using "Reverse print order." -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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I'd have to disagree. This is "manual duplex" so I'm using Word's software to
print the pages in the sequence that Word decides...I only provide the labor of taking the output out of the printer and reinserting it for the second pass. The problem is in the sequence of the page images that Word is outputting. But thanks for responding nonetheless. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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I have already tried (nerly countless) permutations of the settings
available, including using reverse order and/or the front/back DUplex Printing checkboxes on the Options page. So far, none of these combinations has affected the original problem I described. I would think that anyone should be able to reproduce this with a Word 2003 and any printer at all. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There are some mysterious duplex-related settings on the Print tab of Tools | Options that presumably control this. You might also try using "Reverse print order." -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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But your printer does spit out pages face up, right?
On 7/7/05 10:29 AM, "Larry" wrote: I have already tried (nerly countless) permutations of the settings available, including using reverse order and/or the front/back DUplex Printing checkboxes on the Options page. So far, none of these combinations has affected the original problem I described. I would think that anyone should be able to reproduce this with a Word 2003 and any printer at all. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There are some mysterious duplex-related settings on the Print tab of Tools | Options that presumably control this. You might also try using "Reverse print order." -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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What *is* the sequence of page images that Word is sending to the printer?
In the first pass and the second pass? I'm not sure exactly what Word 2003 Manual Duplex does, but I assume you print all the odd pages, then all the even pages. Might printing all the even pages, then all the odd pages, work? (or vice versa, switch whatever is currently being done) You might have to add an extra fake page to make sure the last page is even, though, not sure. On 7/7/05 10:25 AM, "Larry" wrote: I'd have to disagree. This is "manual duplex" so I'm using Word's software to print the pages in the sequence that Word decides...I only provide the labor of taking the output out of the printer and reinserting it for the second pass. The problem is in the sequence of the page images that Word is outputting. But thanks for responding nonetheless. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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Follow-up by original poster:
While I was unable to find a solution to the issue using any combination of Word's printing settings, I was able to get correct results using a (one-click) solution provided by the printer's own driver. My HP Color LaserJet 3700 driver gives its own option for manual duplex printing. When used with all of Word's settings set to defaults, the output is both correct AND flipped the right way for reading. Thank you for your responses. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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Daiya,
As I said in the original post: "For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... The pages come out in the hopper face down, and go back in face down so that the reverse side is printed. I think the problem is that the Word routine is printing the odd sides first, and then the even sides. This leaves you with page 2 on the top of the stack. I've tried using the Reverse flag, and although it should have corrected the problem, it did not. If I do this all semi-manually (printing just the odd pages and then just the even pages) I can get it right, but my aim was to use Microsoft's "Manual Duplex" feature to save some effort....but to no avail. "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: What *is* the sequence of page images that Word is sending to the printer? In the first pass and the second pass? I'm not sure exactly what Word 2003 Manual Duplex does, but I assume you print all the odd pages, then all the even pages. Might printing all the even pages, then all the odd pages, work? (or vice versa, switch whatever is currently being done) You might have to add an extra fake page to make sure the last page is even, though, not sure. On 7/7/05 10:25 AM, "Larry" wrote: I'd have to disagree. This is "manual duplex" so I'm using Word's software to print the pages in the sequence that Word decides...I only provide the labor of taking the output out of the printer and reinserting it for the second pass. The problem is in the sequence of the page images that Word is outputting. But thanks for responding nonetheless. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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Did you in fact experiment with the "Options for duplex printing" on the
Print tab of Tools | Options? There are two check boxes for "Front of sheet" (with a picture showing pages 1, 3, 5) and "Back of sheet" (showing 2, 4, 6). Do these check boxes influence which page is printed first? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Follow-up by original poster: While I was unable to find a solution to the issue using any combination of Word's printing settings, I was able to get correct results using a (one-click) solution provided by the printer's own driver. My HP Color LaserJet 3700 driver gives its own option for manual duplex printing. When used with all of Word's settings set to defaults, the output is both correct AND flipped the right way for reading. Thank you for your responses. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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Elsewhere he says face down.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message .. . But your printer does spit out pages face up, right? On 7/7/05 10:29 AM, "Larry" wrote: I have already tried (nerly countless) permutations of the settings available, including using reverse order and/or the front/back DUplex Printing checkboxes on the Options page. So far, none of these combinations has affected the original problem I described. I would think that anyone should be able to reproduce this with a Word 2003 and any printer at all. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: There are some mysterious duplex-related settings on the Print tab of Tools | Options that presumably control this. You might also try using "Reverse print order." -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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No matter, you've said you've got it fixed now with the one-click printer
setting solution, right? Daiya On 7/7/05 12:16 PM, "Larry" wrote: Daiya, As I said in the original post: "For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... The pages come out in the hopper face down, and go back in face down so that the reverse side is printed. I think the problem is that the Word routine is printing the odd sides first, and then the even sides. This leaves you with page 2 on the top of the stack. I've tried using the Reverse flag, and although it should have corrected the problem, it did not. If I do this all semi-manually (printing just the odd pages and then just the even pages) I can get it right, but my aim was to use Microsoft's "Manual Duplex" feature to save some effort....but to no avail. "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: What *is* the sequence of page images that Word is sending to the printer? In the first pass and the second pass? I'm not sure exactly what Word 2003 Manual Duplex does, but I assume you print all the odd pages, then all the even pages. Might printing all the even pages, then all the odd pages, work? (or vice versa, switch whatever is currently being done) You might have to add an extra fake page to make sure the last page is even, though, not sure. On 7/7/05 10:25 AM, "Larry" wrote: I'd have to disagree. This is "manual duplex" so I'm using Word's software to print the pages in the sequence that Word decides...I only provide the labor of taking the output out of the printer and reinserting it for the second pass. The problem is in the sequence of the page images that Word is outputting. But thanks for responding nonetheless. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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Yeah, after posting I sorted out that couldn't be right anyhow.
On 7/7/05 3:56 PM, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Elsewhere he says face down. But your printer does spit out pages face up, right? |
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They affect the order of the pages (1,3,5 vs 5,3,1) but the do _not_ affect
the problem, which is that the odd pages print first, and the even pages print second. This means that regardless of page number sequence, the end product has page 2 at the top of the stack rather than page 1 (which is facing down); and the next sheet in the stack has page 4 on its front side and page 3 on its reverse. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Did you in fact experiment with the "Options for duplex printing" on the Print tab of Tools | Options? There are two check boxes for "Front of sheet" (with a picture showing pages 1, 3, 5) and "Back of sheet" (showing 2, 4, 6). Do these check boxes influence which page is printed first? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Follow-up by original poster: While I was unable to find a solution to the issue using any combination of Word's printing settings, I was able to get correct results using a (one-click) solution provided by the printer's own driver. My HP Color LaserJet 3700 driver gives its own option for manual duplex printing. When used with all of Word's settings set to defaults, the output is both correct AND flipped the right way for reading. Thank you for your responses. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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Suzanne and Daiya,
I think that I've finally hit the combination that gets me the right result, and I'm sorry it took me so long. (Too many possible permutations available.) If I set BOTH of the "Options for Duplex Printing" to use reverse order, and _DO NOT_ invoke the reverse printing option, and _DO_ use the Manual Duplex option....then it comes out correctly. In retrospect, this should have all been very obvious. Thanks for your interest and responses. -Larry "Larry" wrote: They affect the order of the pages (1,3,5 vs 5,3,1) but the do _not_ affect the problem, which is that the odd pages print first, and the even pages print second. This means that regardless of page number sequence, the end product has page 2 at the top of the stack rather than page 1 (which is facing down); and the next sheet in the stack has page 4 on its front side and page 3 on its reverse. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Did you in fact experiment with the "Options for duplex printing" on the Print tab of Tools | Options? There are two check boxes for "Front of sheet" (with a picture showing pages 1, 3, 5) and "Back of sheet" (showing 2, 4, 6). Do these check boxes influence which page is printed first? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Follow-up by original poster: While I was unable to find a solution to the issue using any combination of Word's printing settings, I was able to get correct results using a (one-click) solution provided by the printer's own driver. My HP Color LaserJet 3700 driver gives its own option for manual duplex printing. When used with all of Word's settings set to defaults, the output is both correct AND flipped the right way for reading. Thank you for your responses. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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Glad you solved it.
On 7/8/05 7:41 AM, "Larry" wrote: Suzanne and Daiya, I think that I've finally hit the combination that gets me the right result, and I'm sorry it took me so long. (Too many possible permutations available.) If I set BOTH of the "Options for Duplex Printing" to use reverse order, and _DO NOT_ invoke the reverse printing option, and _DO_ use the Manual Duplex option....then it comes out correctly. In retrospect, this should have all been very obvious. Thanks for your interest and responses. -Larry |
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Thanks for the feedback. Since I duplex entirely manually, I've never even
tried to figure out these options! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Suzanne and Daiya, I think that I've finally hit the combination that gets me the right result, and I'm sorry it took me so long. (Too many possible permutations available.) If I set BOTH of the "Options for Duplex Printing" to use reverse order, and _DO NOT_ invoke the reverse printing option, and _DO_ use the Manual Duplex option....then it comes out correctly. In retrospect, this should have all been very obvious. Thanks for your interest and responses. -Larry "Larry" wrote: They affect the order of the pages (1,3,5 vs 5,3,1) but the do _not_ affect the problem, which is that the odd pages print first, and the even pages print second. This means that regardless of page number sequence, the end product has page 2 at the top of the stack rather than page 1 (which is facing down); and the next sheet in the stack has page 4 on its front side and page 3 on its reverse. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Did you in fact experiment with the "Options for duplex printing" on the Print tab of Tools | Options? There are two check boxes for "Front of sheet" (with a picture showing pages 1, 3, 5) and "Back of sheet" (showing 2, 4, 6). Do these check boxes influence which page is printed first? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Follow-up by original poster: While I was unable to find a solution to the issue using any combination of Word's printing settings, I was able to get correct results using a (one-click) solution provided by the printer's own driver. My HP Color LaserJet 3700 driver gives its own option for manual duplex printing. When used with all of Word's settings set to defaults, the output is both correct AND flipped the right way for reading. Thank you for your responses. "Larry" wrote: In Word 2003, using the Manual Duplex printing feature, I get accurate two-sided printing with one problem: I must flip each sheet of the finished output as it appears in the output stack. For example, the first sheet in the stack will have PAGE 2 on SIDE A and PAGE 1 on SIDE B; the second sheet will have PAGE 4 on SIDE A and PAGE 3 on SIDE B. This means that if you thumbed through the output stack, you would see pages 2, 4, 6, 8.... in sequence, rather than the desired pages 1, 3, 5, 7... For large jobs, flipping each sheet individually is a real nuisance. I cannot seem to find a sequence of steps and combination of settings that avoid this problem. Any advice? |
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