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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first
two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up
to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an
issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same
thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
I'd still suggest updating your video drivers.
Does this problem appear on other computers? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:S6Zmf.22939$QW2.22744@dukeread08... It is not a display driver issue, it is an MS Word issue. When I do the same thing in notepad, the characters are evenly spaced. I must have an answer to this problem, it is not something that I can ignore. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... If it's a display issue only, then it's probably a video driver issue or an issue with the display font. If it doesn't print that way, then I would consider it not worth worrying about. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:LsYmf.22673$QW2.18131@dukeread08... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in It is working this way in a new blank document. I am referring to the on-screen image, not the printed image. This difference can only be seen when a screen capture is made and the pixels are examined. most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Peter Olcott" wrote in message news:XBXmf.22334$QW2.2560@dukeread08... Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the lasttwo
Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
I'm not seeing that here, but possibly an AutoCorrect entry has been set up to substitute an ff ligature for two f's. This character is not present in most fonts (though some do contain the fi and fl ligatures), but it is available in "expert" fonts and possibly in OpenType fonts (though not necessarily accessible directly in Word's Symbol dialog. You might try asking this question in the microsoft.public.word.printingfonts NG. Note that two of the NGs you're posting to (.word and .word.general) have been deprecated on the Microsoft server and so will not be propagated to some other news servers. While we're onto this topic, how do you set Word to automatically print the ligatured forms when they're available? In some fonts the non-ligatured combinations crash really badly. |
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When I type fff the first two letters are closer than the last two
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:29:54 -0600, Peter Olcott wrote:
Why is it when I type fff in Bold Italic 24 Point Times New Roman that the first two letters are closer together than the last two letters? Thanks See if the description below helps... Bob S In older systems, Microsoft used a program called GDI to lay out text for drawing on the screen. In newer systems Microsoft uses a program called GDIPlus. The new program uses something called "resolution-independent" layout. See article 307208 called "Why text appears different when drawn with GDIPlus versus GDI". "resolution-independent" is a misleading name; the layout is in fact very dependent on resolution. What Microsoft has actually done is make the length of the text independent of the resolution. This ensures that line breaks in dialog boxes (for example) occur at the same place no matter what the resolution of the target device. The cost is poor rendering of text in certain circumstances. The article has a long explanation; here is a short version. Fonts contain descriptions of the outlines of text glyphs. They also contain "hints" to tell the rendering engine what to do on low resolution displays (i.e. screens). One of the things that these hints tell the rendering engine is how to slide the glyph outline around so that it lines up with the pixel positions. This is called "grid fitting". This avoids the horrible problems that result if the outline ends up halfway between pixel positions. (Should it turn on both pixels, making the character too wide, or neither, making it disappear, or€¦) Both the character outline, and the "bounding box" that says how wide the character is, will be lined up with the pixel grid. The process of lining up the (carefully designed) bounding box with the (relatively coarse) pixel grid can make the bounding box slightly too wide or too narrow. For example, the "w" tends to come out too narrow and "l" tends to come out too wide. This tends to average out in ordinary text, but if you have a string of the same letter the slight errors will add up, resulting in a large error in the length of the string. Since one of the goals of GDIPlus is to not have errors in the length of the string, something must be done. What GDIPlus does is to add or remove space one pixel width at a time to force the line length to come out correctly. If GDIPlus wants to make a line longer, it will add up to one em of white space at the end of the line, then increase space between words, then increase space between characters. If GDIPlus wants to shorten a line, it reduces space between words and then between characters. (Note: If you have anti-aliasing turned on, these effects do not happen; instead the text is made to look fuzzy.) If you want to experiment with the effects, one thing to try is typing a long string of "i" or "l" in 8-point Bold in Arial. Notice that some of the characters are jammed together. You can also try typing a long string of "w" in 8-point Bold in Courier New. Also look at a long string of "ci" in 8-point Verdana. Text was more legible under the old GDI system. |
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