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I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into
the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey |
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I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map?
-- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey |
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Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that
they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey . |
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If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character,
then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19*am, alchemist wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - *Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey |
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I suspect what you said is right, but the actual question is how to do it
MW2007? I could not find Private Use Area of Unicode in MW. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character, then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19 am, alchemist wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey . |
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You've assigned your character to the PUA in some font. When you open
Insert Symbol and select that font (at the upper left), then choose Private Use Area (upper right dropdown), and your character will probably be the one it lands on. (Unless the font happens to have other PUA characters in it, with lower code numbers!) You can then click to use it, and/or you can assign a keyboard shortcut to it (middle bottom). On Oct 30, 2:31*pm, alchemist wrote: I suspect what you said is right, but the actual question is how to do it MW2007? I could not find Private Use Area of Unicode in MW. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character, then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19 am, alchemist wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - *Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey |
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I have thought about that before but there is no such font in MW2007! or at
least in the one I have! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: You've assigned your character to the PUA in some font. When you open Insert Symbol and select that font (at the upper left), then choose Private Use Area (upper right dropdown), and your character will probably be the one it lands on. (Unless the font happens to have other PUA characters in it, with lower code numbers!) You can then click to use it, and/or you can assign a keyboard shortcut to it (middle bottom). On Oct 30, 2:31 pm, alchemist wrote: I suspect what you said is right, but the actual question is how to do it MW2007? I could not find Private Use Area of Unicode in MW. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character, then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19 am, alchemist wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey . |
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Now I don't know what Private Character Editor is, but if it creates a
typeable letter (as opposed to a graphics image), then it has placed that character into some font or other -- and it must give you the opportunity of choosing which font you want to add it to. (Perhaps the font that's selected in Character Map while you're doing it?) Every font accommodates characters from every range of Unicode (though most fonts only happen to have characters in a few ranges), including the Private Use Area, which is an immense collection of empty slots where any individual can put whatever characters they want. You've put your PCE-created character into a font, in a particular slot. So to type that character, you need to select that font at the point you're going to type, open Insert Symbol and scroll down (probably to the very end) the display of characters, and there your character should be. Double-click it, and it goes into your text. (You can make a keyboard shortcut for it; also, it appears in the separate bottom line of Insert Symbol so you won't have to hunt for it the next time you need it.) On Oct 31, 7:34*am, alchemist wrote: I have thought about that before but there is no such font in MW2007! or at least in the one I have! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: You've assigned your character to the PUA in some font. When you open Insert Symbol and select that font (at the upper left), then choose Private Use Area (upper right dropdown), and your character will probably be the one it lands on. (Unless the font happens to have other PUA characters in it, with lower code numbers!) You can then click to use it, and/or you can assign a keyboard shortcut to it (middle bottom). On Oct 30, 2:31 pm, alchemist wrote: I suspect what you said is right, but the actual question is how to do it MW2007? I could not find Private Use Area of Unicode in MW. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character, then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19 am, alchemist wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - *Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey |
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It may be helpful to note that in Times New Roman, the range for private use
characters is F01E to F02C. The C fonts used in Word 2007 all have a much more limited range and do not include private-use characters. It continues to baffle me that MS would go to the trouble of creating all these "beautiful" new fonts for Office 2007 and make them so much more limited than TNR and Arial. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Now I don't know what Private Character Editor is, but if it creates a typeable letter (as opposed to a graphics image), then it has placed that character into some font or other -- and it must give you the opportunity of choosing which font you want to add it to. (Perhaps the font that's selected in Character Map while you're doing it?) Every font accommodates characters from every range of Unicode (though most fonts only happen to have characters in a few ranges), including the Private Use Area, which is an immense collection of empty slots where any individual can put whatever characters they want. You've put your PCE-created character into a font, in a particular slot. So to type that character, you need to select that font at the point you're going to type, open Insert Symbol and scroll down (probably to the very end) the display of characters, and there your character should be. Double-click it, and it goes into your text. (You can make a keyboard shortcut for it; also, it appears in the separate bottom line of Insert Symbol so you won't have to hunt for it the next time you need it.) On Oct 31, 7:34 am, alchemist wrote: I have thought about that before but there is no such font in MW2007! or at least in the one I have! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: You've assigned your character to the PUA in some font. When you open Insert Symbol and select that font (at the upper left), then choose Private Use Area (upper right dropdown), and your character will probably be the one it lands on. (Unless the font happens to have other PUA characters in it, with lower code numbers!) You can then click to use it, and/or you can assign a keyboard shortcut to it (middle bottom). On Oct 30, 2:31 pm, alchemist wrote: I suspect what you said is right, but the actual question is how to do it MW2007? I could not find Private Use Area of Unicode in MW. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character, then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19 am, alchemist wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey |
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There are tens of thousands of slots for PUA characters. The primary
ones are the 6400 slots from E000 to F8FF (it may be that you're restricted to these in Windows XP and Office2003). Beyond these, Planes 15 and 16 are the "Supplementary Private Use Areas A and B," with 131,068 code points (Unicode 5.0 book, pp. 547-48; all Unicode documentation is available at the unicode.org site, but it's organized slightly less well than the Microsoft site). On Oct 31, 9:33*am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: It may be helpful to note that in Times New Roman, the range for private use characters is F01E to F02C. The C fonts used in Word 2007 all have a much more limited range and do not include private-use characters. It continues to baffle me that MS would go to the trouble of creating all these "beautiful" new fonts for Office 2007 and make them so much more limited than TNR and Arial. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ... Now I don't know what Private Character Editor is, but if it creates a typeable letter (as opposed to a graphics image), then it has placed that character into some font or other -- and it must give you the opportunity of choosing which font you want to add it to. (Perhaps the font that's selected in Character Map while you're doing it?) Every font accommodates characters from every range of Unicode (though most fonts only happen to have characters in a few ranges), including the Private Use Area, which is an immense collection of empty slots where any individual can put whatever characters they want. You've put your PCE-created character into a font, in a particular slot. So to type that character, you need to select that font at the point you're going to type, open Insert Symbol and scroll down (probably to the very end) the display of characters, and there your character should be. Double-click it, and it goes into your text. (You can make a keyboard shortcut for it; also, it appears in the separate bottom line of Insert Symbol so you won't have to hunt for it the next time you need it.) On Oct 31, 7:34 am, alchemist wrote: I have thought about that before but there is no such font in MW2007! or at least in the one I have! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: You've assigned your character to the PUA in some font. When you open Insert Symbol and select that font (at the upper left), then choose Private Use Area (upper right dropdown), and your character will probably be the one it lands on. (Unless the font happens to have other PUA characters in it, with lower code numbers!) You can then click to use it, and/or you can assign a keyboard shortcut to it (middle bottom). On Oct 30, 2:31 pm, alchemist wrote: I suspect what you said is right, but the actual question is how to do it MW2007? I could not find Private Use Area of Unicode in MW. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character, then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19 am, alchemist wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them.. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey- |
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The Private Character Editor isn't something I am familiar with either,
but it may/should be there in Win XP and later, typically at c:\windows\system32\eudcedit.exe Historically it appears to be associated with systems using East Asian fonts. It's possible that more people have started noticing it because its more prominently displayed on Windows 7 menus or some such (I have a feeling that's the reason I came across it recently). There is more info. on how Windows treats these characters in the MSD library at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...02(VS.85).aspx In essence, the PCE creates small files containing "separate" private character files in e.g. C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Window s\EUDC\ These files are .tte files and .euf files. I don't know what the .euf file is but the .tte is essentially a .ttf file /of some kind/. The PCE also creates the registry entries that specify whether the characters are "linked" to particular fonts or all fonts. Then in Character map, if you link to a specific font such as Arial, you see Arial (on my copy of Vista this is an OT font) Arial (Private Characters) (appears as a TT font) If you link the character to "all fonts", Character Map lists a new font called "All Fonts (Private Characters)" However, these fonts do not seem to appear everywhere where fonts are listed - e.g., they do not appear in the font list in the Insert-Symbol facility. Presumably that dialog box either does not look up the necessary registry entries and use them, or does not use whatever APIs make the whole thing transparent. Peter Jamieson http://tips.pjmsn.me.uk On 31/10/2009 12:51, Peter T. Daniels wrote: Now I don't know what Private Character Editor is, but if it creates a typeable letter (as opposed to a graphics image), then it has placed that character into some font or other -- and it must give you the opportunity of choosing which font you want to add it to. (Perhaps the font that's selected in Character Map while you're doing it?) Every font accommodates characters from every range of Unicode (though most fonts only happen to have characters in a few ranges), including the Private Use Area, which is an immense collection of empty slots where any individual can put whatever characters they want. You've put your PCE-created character into a font, in a particular slot. So to type that character, you need to select that font at the point you're going to type, open Insert Symbol and scroll down (probably to the very end) the display of characters, and there your character should be. Double-click it, and it goes into your text. (You can make a keyboard shortcut for it; also, it appears in the separate bottom line of Insert Symbol so you won't have to hunt for it the next time you need it.) On Oct 31, 7:34 am, wrote: I have thought about that before but there is no such font in MW2007! or at least in the one I have! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: You've assigned your character to the PUA in some font. When you open Insert Symbol and select that font (at the upper left), then choose Private Use Area (upper right dropdown), and your character will probably be the one it lands on. (Unless the font happens to have other PUA characters in it, with lower code numbers!) You can then click to use it, and/or you can assign a keyboard shortcut to it (middle bottom). On Oct 30, 2:31 pm, wrote: I suspect what you said is right, but the actual question is how to do it MW2007? I could not find Private Use Area of Unicode in MW. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character, then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19 am, wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey |
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Thanks for this follow-up, Peter. I've known about the Private Character
Editor (eudcedit.exe) for many years, but every time I investigated it, I concluded that (a) I'm not a type designer and (b) I couldn't figure out how to get my custom characters to be readily available, so I've abandoned any further attempt to play with it. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Peter Jamieson" wrote in message ... The Private Character Editor isn't something I am familiar with either, but it may/should be there in Win XP and later, typically at c:\windows\system32\eudcedit.exe Historically it appears to be associated with systems using East Asian fonts. It's possible that more people have started noticing it because its more prominently displayed on Windows 7 menus or some such (I have a feeling that's the reason I came across it recently). There is more info. on how Windows treats these characters in the MSD library at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...02(VS.85).aspx In essence, the PCE creates small files containing "separate" private character files in e.g. C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Window s\EUDC\ These files are .tte files and .euf files. I don't know what the .euf file is but the .tte is essentially a .ttf file /of some kind/. The PCE also creates the registry entries that specify whether the characters are "linked" to particular fonts or all fonts. Then in Character map, if you link to a specific font such as Arial, you see Arial (on my copy of Vista this is an OT font) Arial (Private Characters) (appears as a TT font) If you link the character to "all fonts", Character Map lists a new font called "All Fonts (Private Characters)" However, these fonts do not seem to appear everywhere where fonts are listed - e.g., they do not appear in the font list in the Insert-Symbol facility. Presumably that dialog box either does not look up the necessary registry entries and use them, or does not use whatever APIs make the whole thing transparent. Peter Jamieson http://tips.pjmsn.me.uk On 31/10/2009 12:51, Peter T. Daniels wrote: Now I don't know what Private Character Editor is, but if it creates a typeable letter (as opposed to a graphics image), then it has placed that character into some font or other -- and it must give you the opportunity of choosing which font you want to add it to. (Perhaps the font that's selected in Character Map while you're doing it?) Every font accommodates characters from every range of Unicode (though most fonts only happen to have characters in a few ranges), including the Private Use Area, which is an immense collection of empty slots where any individual can put whatever characters they want. You've put your PCE-created character into a font, in a particular slot. So to type that character, you need to select that font at the point you're going to type, open Insert Symbol and scroll down (probably to the very end) the display of characters, and there your character should be. Double-click it, and it goes into your text. (You can make a keyboard shortcut for it; also, it appears in the separate bottom line of Insert Symbol so you won't have to hunt for it the next time you need it.) On Oct 31, 7:34 am, wrote: I have thought about that before but there is no such font in MW2007! or at least in the one I have! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: You've assigned your character to the PUA in some font. When you open Insert Symbol and select that font (at the upper left), then choose Private Use Area (upper right dropdown), and your character will probably be the one it lands on. (Unless the font happens to have other PUA characters in it, with lower code numbers!) You can then click to use it, and/or you can assign a keyboard shortcut to it (middle bottom). On Oct 30, 2:31 pm, wrote: I suspect what you said is right, but the actual question is how to do it MW2007? I could not find Private Use Area of Unicode in MW. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character, then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19 am, wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey |
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but every time I investigated it,
I concluded that (a) I'm not a type designer and (b) I couldn't figure out how to get my custom characters to be readily available, so I've abandoned any further attempt to play with it. Same here, on both counts. Peter Jamieson http://tips.pjmsn.me.uk On 31/10/2009 18:46, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Thanks for this follow-up, Peter. I've known about the Private Character Editor (eudcedit.exe) for many years, but every time I investigated it, I concluded that (a) I'm not a type designer and (b) I couldn't figure out how to get my custom characters to be readily available, so I've abandoned any further attempt to play with it. |
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Add user-made symbol to the list of Microsoft Word symbols
So if this has become available outside the Asian Fonts in Windows 7,
maybe Office2010 will be able to see the minifonts it creates. It explains why Word2007 doesn't. (Just as there are some font-related things that Word2007 was the first to be able to handle -- such as Unicode ranges added after v. 2.0.) On Oct 31, 2:29*pm, Peter Jamieson wrote: The Private Character Editor isn't something I am familiar with either, but it may/should be there in Win XP and later, typically at c:\windows\system32\eudcedit.exe Historically it appears to be associated with systems using East Asian fonts. It's possible that more people have started noticing it because its more prominently displayed on Windows 7 menus or some such (I have a feeling that's the reason I came across it recently). There is more info. on how Windows treats these characters in the MSD library at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...02(VS.85).aspx In essence, the PCE creates small files containing "separate" private character files in e.g. C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Window s\EUDC\ These files are .tte files and .euf files. I don't know what the .euf file is but the .tte is essentially a .ttf file /of some kind/. The PCE also creates the registry entries that specify whether the characters are "linked" to particular fonts or all fonts. Then in Character map, if you link to a specific font such as Arial, you see * Arial (on my copy of Vista this is an OT font) * Arial (Private Characters) (appears as a TT font) If you link the character to "all fonts", Character Map lists a new font called "All Fonts (Private Characters)" However, these fonts do not seem to appear everywhere where fonts are listed - e.g., they do not appear in the font list in the Insert-Symbol facility. Presumably that dialog box either does not look up the necessary registry entries and use them, or does not use whatever APIs make the whole thing transparent. Peter Jamieson http://tips.pjmsn.me.uk On 31/10/2009 12:51, Peter T. Daniels wrote: Now I don't know what Private Character Editor is, but if it creates a typeable letter (as opposed to a graphics image), then it has placed that character into some font or other -- and it must give you the opportunity of choosing which font you want to add it to. (Perhaps the font that's selected in Character Map while you're doing it?) Every font accommodates characters from every range of Unicode (though most fonts only happen to have characters in a few ranges), including the Private Use Area, which is an immense collection of empty slots where any individual can put whatever characters they want. You've put your PCE-created character into a font, in a particular slot. So to type that character, you need to select that font at the point you're going to type, open Insert Symbol and scroll down (probably to the very end) the display of characters, and there your character should be. Double-click it, and it goes into your text. (You can make a keyboard shortcut for it; also, it appears in the separate bottom line of Insert Symbol so you won't have to hunt for it the next time you need it.) On Oct 31, 7:34 am, wrote: I have thought about that before but there is no such font in MW2007! or at least in the one I have! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: You've assigned your character to the PUA in some font. When you open Insert Symbol and select that font (at the upper left), then choose Private Use Area (upper right dropdown), and your character will probably be the one it lands on. (Unless the font happens to have other PUA characters in it, with lower code numbers!) You can then click to use it, and/or you can assign a keyboard shortcut to it (middle bottom). On Oct 30, 2:31 pm, wrote: I suspect what you said is right, but the actual question is how to do it MW2007? I could not find Private Use Area of Unicode in MW. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character, then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19 am, wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- * * * * * * Graham Mayor - *Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org * * * * * * alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey- |
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Add user-made symbol to the list of Microsoft Word symbols
I was finally able to have a look at this and
a. in Win 7 RC on my old tablet PC, the Private Character Editor does appear in the Accessories/System tools (so it's not /that/ prominent, but it is there, at least in the RC version. Unless it was put there as a consequence of adding a Display Language with an RTL script). b. Word 2010TP appears no more able to see these characters than Word 2007. I've mentioned that to MS, although I have a nasty feeling that it would be too much work to modify the Insert-Symbol dialog to consider doing at this stage. Peter Jamieson http://tips.pjmsn.me.uk On 31/10/2009 19:58, Peter T. Daniels wrote: So if this has become available outside the Asian Fonts in Windows 7, maybe Office2010 will be able to see the minifonts it creates. It explains why Word2007 doesn't. (Just as there are some font-related things that Word2007 was the first to be able to handle -- such as Unicode ranges added after v. 2.0.) On Oct 31, 2:29 pm, Peter wrote: The Private Character Editor isn't something I am familiar with either, but it may/should be there in Win XP and later, typically at c:\windows\system32\eudcedit.exe Historically it appears to be associated with systems using East Asian fonts. It's possible that more people have started noticing it because its more prominently displayed on Windows 7 menus or some such (I have a feeling that's the reason I came across it recently). There is more info. on how Windows treats these characters in the MSD library at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...02(VS.85).aspx In essence, the PCE creates small files containing "separate" private character files in e.g. C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Window s\EUDC\ These files are .tte files and .euf files. I don't know what the .euf file is but the .tte is essentially a .ttf file /of some kind/. The PCE also creates the registry entries that specify whether the characters are "linked" to particular fonts or all fonts. Then in Character map, if you link to a specific font such as Arial, you see Arial (on my copy of Vista this is an OT font) Arial (Private Characters) (appears as a TT font) If you link the character to "all fonts", Character Map lists a new font called "All Fonts (Private Characters)" However, these fonts do not seem to appear everywhere where fonts are listed - e.g., they do not appear in the font list in the Insert-Symbol facility. Presumably that dialog box either does not look up the necessary registry entries and use them, or does not use whatever APIs make the whole thing transparent. Peter Jamieson http://tips.pjmsn.me.uk On 31/10/2009 12:51, Peter T. Daniels wrote: Now I don't know what Private Character Editor is, but if it creates a typeable letter (as opposed to a graphics image), then it has placed that character into some font or other -- and it must give you the opportunity of choosing which font you want to add it to. (Perhaps the font that's selected in Character Map while you're doing it?) Every font accommodates characters from every range of Unicode (though most fonts only happen to have characters in a few ranges), including the Private Use Area, which is an immense collection of empty slots where any individual can put whatever characters they want. You've put your PCE-created character into a font, in a particular slot. So to type that character, you need to select that font at the point you're going to type, open Insert Symbol and scroll down (probably to the very end) the display of characters, and there your character should be. Double-click it, and it goes into your text. (You can make a keyboard shortcut for it; also, it appears in the separate bottom line of Insert Symbol so you won't have to hunt for it the next time you need it.) On Oct 31, 7:34 am, wrote: I have thought about that before but there is no such font in MW2007! or at least in the one I have! "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: You've assigned your character to the PUA in some font. When you open Insert Symbol and select that font (at the upper left), then choose Private Use Area (upper right dropdown), and your character will probably be the one it lands on. (Unless the font happens to have other PUA characters in it, with lower code numbers!) You can then click to use it, and/or you can assign a keyboard shortcut to it (middle bottom). On Oct 30, 2:31 pm, wrote: I suspect what you said is right, but the actual question is how to do it MW2007? I could not find Private Use Area of Unicode in MW. "Peter T. Daniels" wrote: If Private Character Editor assigns a Unicode value to your character, then presumably Word is using the character that already has that value. If that's how it works, then be sure to put your newly created character into the Private Use Area of Unicode. On Oct 30, 8:19 am, wrote: Sorry that's typo I created symbol in Private Character Editor and after that they appear in Character Map from where you can copy/paste them. "Graham Mayor" wrote: I wasn't aware that you could 'create' symbols using the Character Map? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web sitewww.gmayor.com Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org alchemist wrote: I created symbol/character using Character Map but when I copy/paste it into the MW document it gives me completely different symbol (some kind of hieroglyph). What can I do about it? Additionally, I would like to find out if it is possible to add the character permanently to the list of symbols in MW? Thanks Aleksey- |
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