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For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more.
A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) |
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:18:02 -0700, CS Hayes wrote:
For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Hi! This is the add-in available from http://www.addintools.com/english/me...ce/default.htm The Word version is Classic Menu for Word 2007 and sells at $15.99 USD File size: 1.6 Mb 15 days trial -- Cheers Robert |
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Hi Chris,
And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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FYI again
I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react as you
have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007 is. Larry "CS Hayes" wrote in message ... FYI again I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with ..NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Larry,
I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Larry wrote: Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007 is. Larry "CS Hayes" wrote in message ... FYI again I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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I'm glad you posted this, Greg. :-)
Until now I was feeling like the only MVP who actually supports the new version. (I know there are a few others but they're on the soft-spoken side. ;-) ) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Larry wrote: Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007 is. Larry "CS Hayes" wrote in message ... FYI again I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Hi Greg,
If you don't mind I would like to see your Word customizations. Could you please send it to ? Thanks so very much -----Original Message----- From: Greg Maxey ] Posted At: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:09 AM Posted To: microsoft.public.word.newusers Conversation: FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus Subject: FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Larry wrote: Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007 is. Larry "CS Hayes" wrote in message ... FYI again I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software
designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand. Hey, if MS created two alternative versions of Word, one for people who really like the design of Word 2007 and really enjoy spending months figuring out how to use it, and one for people who expect a basic product into which they've invested years of their lives to remain in existence, then I'd have no problem with that. Larry "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Larry wrote: Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007 is. Larry "CS Hayes" wrote in message ... FYI again I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Larry,
I don't see anything cheap in the shot at all. Of course that is my opinion and it differs from yours. My point remains that anyone that has been reading your posts recently is fully aware that you don't like Word2007. To continue the diatribe is well .... sounding like a broken record. Again this is just my opinion. Your endless grousing about Word2007 here in this formum is not going to bring back the old UI. You have other options. Designing your own software was just one of them. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Larry wrote: That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand. Hey, if MS created two alternative versions of Word, one for people who really like the design of Word 2007 and really enjoy spending months figuring out how to use it, and one for people who expect a basic product into which they've invested years of their lives to remain in existence, then I'd have no problem with that. Larry "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Larry wrote: Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007 is. Larry "CS Hayes" wrote in message ... FYI again I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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I think Microsoft has already created the two alternative versions you wish;
the latter is Word 2003. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand. Hey, if MS created two alternative versions of Word, one for people who really like the design of Word 2007 and really enjoy spending months figuring out how to use it, and one for people who expect a basic product into which they've invested years of their lives to remain in existence, then I'd have no problem with that. Larry "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Larry wrote: Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007 is. Larry "CS Hayes" wrote in message ... FYI again I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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The "cheap shot", Larry, is spending a limited amount of time using Word
2007, forming quick and non-researched opinions, and then criticizing it every chance you get. I'm sure if I spent 5 to 10 minutes using "Larry's Word", and if I were one to form quick and non-researched opinions, I'd think it was hideous, a catastrophe, and a monstrosity - all because I haven't taken the time to use it. What you say takes months to learn really doesn't take that long at all. Now, I spent months learning about the new features (which is true of any new version), but I adapted to the UI fairly quickly. FWIW, I've been using the Office applications, with the menus/toolbars, since 1985, starting with Excel on a Mac. I went from using SuperCalc and WordStar with the slash commands and I couldn't imagine how using a mouse would help me work faster than my trusty keyboard navigation! But once I got the hang of using a mouse I never looked back. The UI you love was designed for 1989, just as the slash command nagivation was designed for early computer applications. A lot has changed since then and the programs outgrew the menu/toolbar system. I'm surprised they didn't do this long ago. I think the bottom line is, if you prefer to drive your 1950 Chevy with no air conditioning, manual steering, manual transmission, and drum brakes, then by all means, keep driving it. I prefer to drive my new convertible with air conditioning, automatic steering, split shift transmission (can switch to automatic or manual), anti-lock brakes, heated leather seats, GPS, and 4-disc CD changer. I like my car and I'm tired of someone merely kicking the tires and making assumptions about it. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand. Hey, if MS created two alternative versions of Word, one for people who really like the design of Word 2007 and really enjoy spending months figuring out how to use it, and one for people who expect a basic product into which they've invested years of their lives to remain in existence, then I'd have no problem with that. Larry "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Larry wrote: Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007 is. Larry "CS Hayes" wrote in message ... FYI again I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:57:34 -0400 from Larry :
"Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand. I'm sure Greg can defend himself, but for the record I think he's spot on. If I had written the comment, I'd have said the same thing but would have omitted "are beginning to". Word 2007 is what it is, like it or not. I don't say everything about the Ribbon is better than everything about the old menus. But if you devote half as much energy to getting comfortable with the Ribbon as you have to kvetching about it, you may find that it's not as bad as you think, *and* you'll probably become an expert. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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There are a lot of people frequenting this group who want to say what I'm
saying, but comments like the above make them afraid to say it. There's an orthodoxy shaping up here that is intended to cow anyone from criticizing Word 2007. I respect all the Word MVPs, but I will continue to criticize Word 2007 as I see fit. Suzanne says that Word 2003 is the alternative to 2007. But as everyone knows, as hardware and software continue to "progress," or at least to change, it gets harder to keep using old programs, and there is a continual pressure to adapt to the most recent programs. How long can people go on using 2003, before it is left behind by, say, further changes in Word's programming language, which will force them to use some "descendant" of Word 2007 that has Word 2007's interface? Speaking of grousing about Microsoft's latest generation of "innovations" which includes Word 2007 and Windows Vista, over at the Windows Vista group there is fierce outspoken protest against Vista coming from a lot of parties. However, I'm not recommending that this group become like that group, where there is a lot of nastiness. Larry "Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:57:34 -0400 from Larry : "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand. I'm sure Greg can defend himself, but for the record I think he's spot on. If I had written the comment, I'd have said the same thing but would have omitted "are beginning to". Word 2007 is what it is, like it or not. I don't say everything about the Ribbon is better than everything about the old menus. But if you devote half as much energy to getting comfortable with the Ribbon as you have to kvetching about it, you may find that it's not as bad as you think, *and* you'll probably become an expert. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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Beth, after you said that Word 2007 is really good once you get into it, I
asked you how you could justify certain features of Word 2007, such as the fact that basic controls and dialogs, which used to be two simple steps away from the user interface, are now several awkward steps away from the user interface. You declined to reply, on the basis that it would be a waste of breath because anything you said would not be persuasive to me. For you, who refused to answer my questions and to defend your own position in this discussion, to accuse me of making cheap shots for making the arguments for which you had no answer, is ridiculous. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... The "cheap shot", Larry, is spending a limited amount of time using Word 2007, forming quick and non-researched opinions, and then criticizing it every chance you get. I'm sure if I spent 5 to 10 minutes using "Larry's Word", and if I were one to form quick and non-researched opinions, I'd think it was hideous, a catastrophe, and a monstrosity - all because I haven't taken the time to use it. What you say takes months to learn really doesn't take that long at all. Now, I spent months learning about the new features (which is true of any new version), but I adapted to the UI fairly quickly. FWIW, I've been using the Office applications, with the menus/toolbars, since 1985, starting with Excel on a Mac. I went from using SuperCalc and WordStar with the slash commands and I couldn't imagine how using a mouse would help me work faster than my trusty keyboard navigation! But once I got the hang of using a mouse I never looked back. The UI you love was designed for 1989, just as the slash command nagivation was designed for early computer applications. A lot has changed since then and the programs outgrew the menu/toolbar system. I'm surprised they didn't do this long ago. I think the bottom line is, if you prefer to drive your 1950 Chevy with no air conditioning, manual steering, manual transmission, and drum brakes, then by all means, keep driving it. I prefer to drive my new convertible with air conditioning, automatic steering, split shift transmission (can switch to automatic or manual), anti-lock brakes, heated leather seats, GPS, and 4-disc CD changer. I like my car and I'm tired of someone merely kicking the tires and making assumptions about it. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand. Hey, if MS created two alternative versions of Word, one for people who really like the design of Word 2007 and really enjoy spending months figuring out how to use it, and one for people who expect a basic product into which they've invested years of their lives to remain in existence, then I'd have no problem with that. Larry "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Larry wrote: Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007 is. Larry "CS Hayes" wrote in message ... FYI again I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:08:38 -0400, "Greg Maxey"
wrote: Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. I think you have completely missed Larry's point. If you like the new product or if you are willing to spend hours learning new techniques, that's great. Larry's point is that MS has forced him to do so. If he's like me, Word is a tool, not a career. I thank Larry for being so vocal. I just want the damned thing to work. I hate conversions and releases because there is always down time and adjustments. I have a business to run and I want reliable tools that don't require more time for me to learn them than they require to do the job. MS is a huge multi-gazillionaire company. They can provide a compatibility mode for new releases so that I can have it work exactly like it used to if I want it to. MS has been arrogant toward its users in the past. Is this another example? Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. Now that is a really stupid comment. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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I suspect that the next version of Word may take some "backward" steps to
accommodate those who were not ready for it. Holding fast with Word 2003 now and then upgrading to Word 14 may be the best plan. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... There are a lot of people frequenting this group who want to say what I'm saying, but comments like the above make them afraid to say it. There's an orthodoxy shaping up here that is intended to cow anyone from criticizing Word 2007. I respect all the Word MVPs, but I will continue to criticize Word 2007 as I see fit. Suzanne says that Word 2003 is the alternative to 2007. But as everyone knows, as hardware and software continue to "progress," or at least to change, it gets harder to keep using old programs, and there is a continual pressure to adapt to the most recent programs. How long can people go on using 2003, before it is left behind by, say, further changes in Word's programming language, which will force them to use some "descendant" of Word 2007 that has Word 2007's interface? Speaking of grousing about Microsoft's latest generation of "innovations" which includes Word 2007 and Windows Vista, over at the Windows Vista group there is fierce outspoken protest against Vista coming from a lot of parties. However, I'm not recommending that this group become like that group, where there is a lot of nastiness. Larry "Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:57:34 -0400 from Larry : "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand. I'm sure Greg can defend himself, but for the record I think he's spot on. If I had written the comment, I'd have said the same thing but would have omitted "are beginning to". Word 2007 is what it is, like it or not. I don't say everything about the Ribbon is better than everything about the old menus. But if you devote half as much energy to getting comfortable with the Ribbon as you have to kvetching about it, you may find that it's not as bad as you think, *and* you'll probably become an expert. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:20:44 -0400, "Greg Maxey"
wrote: Larry, I don't see anything cheap in the shot at all. Of course that is my opinion and it differs from yours. And from mine. My point remains that anyone that has been reading your posts recently is fully aware that you don't like Word2007. To continue the diatribe is well ... sounding like a broken record. Then ignore his posts. Again this is just my opinion. Your endless grousing about Word2007 here in this formum is not going to bring back the old UI. It's a "forum" (look it up), not a MS support group. There is supposed to be differences of opinion. I strongly differ with yours, for example, but I'm telling you to shut up. And your endless happy face is, at best, useless. You have other options. Designing your own software was just one of them. Idiotic statement. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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Larry,
I can't speak for anyone else, but I assure you that I am not attempting to scare or cow you or anyone else. I simply said that your views on Word2007 are already clear to everyone that reads this group and that you do have the freedom to take steps to find an alternative solution. I have certainly expressed some dissatisfaction with Word2007. If I could have, a few months ago I would have impaled the genious that killed AutoText Autocomplete tips. I am not enamored with the Ribbon either, but old menus and toolbars are gone and rather get stuck on it and have a daily hissy fit I have decided to accept it and move on. In doing so, I have found some things in Word2007 that I really like. I would trade AutoText Autocomplete tips for Content Controls any day. You can bark at the moon if you want to. Personally I don't think your redundant criticism here is going to change anything. If you want to keep it up I can ignore it. On Apr 23, 10:56 am, "Larry" wrote: There are a lot of people frequenting this group who want to say what I'm saying, but comments like the above make them afraid to say it. There's an orthodoxy shaping up here that is intended to cow anyone from criticizing Word 2007. I respect all the Word MVPs, but I will continue to criticize Word 2007 as I see fit. Suzanne says that Word 2003 is the alternative to 2007. But as everyone knows, as hardware and software continue to "progress," or at least to change, it gets harder to keep using old programs, and there is a continual pressure to adapt to the most recent programs. How long can people go on using 2003, before it is left behind by, say, further changes in Word's programming language, which will force them to use some "descendant" of Word 2007 that has Word 2007's interface? Speaking of grousing about Microsoft's latest generation of "innovations" which includes Word 2007 and Windows Vista, over at the Windows Vista group there is fierce outspoken protest against Vista coming from a lot of parties. However, I'm not recommending that this group become like that group, where there is a lot of nastiness. Larry "Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:57:34 -0400 from Larry : "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand. I'm sure Greg can defend himself, but for the record I think he's spot on. If I had written the comment, I'd have said the same thing but would have omitted "are beginning to". Word 2007 is what it is, like it or not. I don't say everything about the Ribbon is better than everything about the old menus. But if you devote half as much energy to getting comfortable with the Ribbon as you have to kvetching about it, you may find that it's not as bad as you think, *and* you'll probably become an expert. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:50:15 -0500, "Beth Melton"
wrote: The "cheap shot", Larry, is spending a limited amount of time using Word 2007, forming quick and non-researched opinions, and then criticizing it every chance you get. I'm sure if I spent 5 to 10 minutes using "Larry's Word", and if I were one to form quick and non-researched opinions, I'd think it was hideous, a catastrophe, and a monstrosity - all because I haven't taken the time to use it. What you say takes months to learn really doesn't take that long at all. Now, I spent months learning about the new features (which is true of any new version), but I adapted to the UI fairly quickly. FWIW, I've been using the Office applications, with the menus/toolbars, since 1985, starting with Excel on a Mac. I went from using SuperCalc and WordStar with the slash commands and I couldn't imagine how using a mouse would help me work faster than my trusty keyboard navigation! But once I got the hang of using a mouse I never looked back. The UI you love was designed for 1989, just as the slash command nagivation was designed for early computer applications. A lot has changed since then and the programs outgrew the menu/toolbar system. I'm surprised they didn't do this long ago. I think the bottom line is, if you prefer to drive your 1950 Chevy with no air conditioning, manual steering, manual transmission, and drum brakes, then by all means, keep driving it. I prefer to drive my new convertible with air conditioning, automatic steering, split shift transmission (can switch to automatic or manual), anti-lock brakes, heated leather seats, GPS, and 4-disc CD changer. I like my car and I'm tired of someone merely kicking the tires and making assumptions about it. Another point completely missed. I never heard Larry tell you or Greg or anyone else not to use the new interface. He just said that he hates it and hates that HE is forced to use it or stay with an obsolete version. Your car analogy is off the mark. Your shiny new car is 100% compatible with existing roads, maps, gas stations, DMV procedures, etc. When you bought it, you didn't need more than 5 minutes of training to be able to drive away. When you upgraded, you didn't need to learn new maps, build new roads, go back to driver's school, take a new driver's test (unless you bought a bus), or anything. If your new car has a fancy GPS system, or a satellite uplink, or a wet bar, or a waterbed, it didn't affect your ability to drive down the road. And, both you and Larry can drive down the same road at the same time without either of you making any adjustments for each other. Larry has a valid point. MS tends to make changes because they can. I guarantee you, that Google Office is going to change that and I'm cheering for Google -- until they become the arrogant 8 million pound gorilla and start pushing people and customers around. It took about 60 years for TJ Watson's lean, mean, responsive company to become ossified and arrogant and get clipped my Microsoft. It's now been about 20 years. MS is getting bloated and slow. They weathered the Netscape scare just like IBM did early competitors by crushing them. So far the open source folks (and other grass roots efforts) have not quite got it together. But Google may just do to MS after 30 years what MS did to IBM after 60. In the meantime, Larry, keep complaining. Even if I don't agree with you. I'll just tune you out. ;-) -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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Sorry Larry but you have missed the point. There are many people who share
your criticisms of Word 2007 and we are not stopping anyone expressing their opinions. The point they are making is that this has become Larry's endless iatribe - to the point of being boring and more than a little sad. Terry Farrell "Larry" wrote in message ... There are a lot of people frequenting this group who want to say what I'm saying, but comments like the above make them afraid to say it. There's an orthodoxy shaping up here that is intended to cow anyone from criticizing Word 2007. I respect all the Word MVPs, but I will continue to criticize Word 2007 as I see fit. Suzanne says that Word 2003 is the alternative to 2007. But as everyone knows, as hardware and software continue to "progress," or at least to change, it gets harder to keep using old programs, and there is a continual pressure to adapt to the most recent programs. How long can people go on using 2003, before it is left behind by, say, further changes in Word's programming language, which will force them to use some "descendant" of Word 2007 that has Word 2007's interface? Speaking of grousing about Microsoft's latest generation of "innovations" which includes Word 2007 and Windows Vista, over at the Windows Vista group there is fierce outspoken protest against Vista coming from a lot of parties. However, I'm not recommending that this group become like that group, where there is a lot of nastiness. Larry |
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Well how nice to see that you have crawled out of your hole with your
opinion. Larry's point is that MS has forced him to do so. LOL with a double helping of happy faces Microsoft has not forced you or Larry to do a damn thing idiot. On Apr 23, 11:47 am, LurfysMa wrote: On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:08:38 -0400, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. I think you have completely missed Larry's point. If you like the new product or if you are willing to spend hours learning new techniques, that's great. Larry's point is that MS has forced him to do so. If he's like me, Word is a tool, not a career. I thank Larry for being so vocal. I just want the damned thing to work. I hate conversions and releases because there is always down time and adjustments. I have a business to run and I want reliable tools that don't require more time for me to learn them than they require to do the job. MS is a huge multi-gazillionaire company. They can provide a compatibility mode for new releases so that I can have it work exactly like it used to if I want it to. MS has been arrogant toward its users in the past. Is this another example? Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. Now that is a really stupid comment. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:48:48 -0500, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote: I suspect that the next version of Word may take some "backward" steps to accommodate those who were not ready for it. Holding fast with Word 2003 now and then upgrading to Word 14 may be the best plan. If that happens, then Larry has a much bigger complaint. If they were (or are) going to do it, they should have (a) done it now or (b) announced that they had this backup plan and 2003 would be fully supported until it was ready. Now I am getting madder. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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On 23 Apr 2007 09:03:55 -0700, Greg Maxey wrote:
Larry, I can't speak for anyone else, but I assure you that I am not attempting to scare or cow you or anyone else. I simply said that your views on Word2007 are already clear to everyone that reads this group and that you do have the freedom to take steps to find an alternative solution. I have certainly expressed some dissatisfaction with Word2007. If I could have, a few months ago I would have impaled the genious that killed AutoText Autocomplete tips. I am not enamored with the Ribbon either, but old menus and toolbars are gone and rather get stuck on it and have a daily hissy fit I have decided to accept it and move on. In doing so, I have found some things in Word2007 that I really like. I would trade AutoText Autocomplete tips for Content Controls any day. You can bark at the moon if you want to. Personally I don't think your redundant criticism here is going to change anything. If you want to keep it up I can ignore it. And your redundant criticism of his redundant criticism is somehow less redundant? Or more helpful? You are at least as much of a contributor to this unproductive thread as he is. You keep harping on his harping. See any patterns here? -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:10:30 +0100, "Terry Farrell"
wrote: Sorry Larry but you have missed the point. There are many people who share your criticisms of Word 2007 and we are not stopping anyone expressing their opinions. No? I guess you didn't read all those posts telling Larry that he was a little cry baby and to go away and design a better mousetrap. The point they are making is that this has become Larry's endless iatribe - to the point of being boring and more than a little sad. Great. Now we get the therapist wing chiming in with their half-assed personality / social analysis. Larry doesn't sound sad to me. He sounds ****ed. At least he's not a lemming. Lemmings are very sad. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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The only thing apparent to me Johnny Come Late is that you are an
idiot. Oh, I am being redundant again. Sorry. The only sage advice you have offered so far is to ignore something. I think I will do that now and ignore you. If you get any madder, may you could have a hissy fit and feel all better. On Apr 23, 12:33 pm, LurfysMa wrote: On 23 Apr 2007 09:03:55 -0700, Greg Maxey wrote: Larry, I can't speak for anyone else, but I assure you that I am not attempting to scare or cow you or anyone else. I simply said that your views on Word2007 are already clear to everyone that reads this group and that you do have the freedom to take steps to find an alternative solution. I have certainly expressed some dissatisfaction with Word2007. If I could have, a few months ago I would have impaled the genious that killed AutoText Autocomplete tips. I am not enamored with the Ribbon either, but old menus and toolbars are gone and rather get stuck on it and have a daily hissy fit I have decided to accept it and move on. In doing so, I have found some things in Word2007 that I really like. I would trade AutoText Autocomplete tips for Content Controls any day. You can bark at the moon if you want to. Personally I don't think your redundant criticism here is going to change anything. If you want to keep it up I can ignore it. And your redundant criticism of his redundant criticism is somehow less redundant? Or more helpful? You are at least as much of a contributor to this unproductive thread as he is. You keep harping on his harping. See any patterns here? -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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I didn't reply because I didn't want to get into an endless debate on this.
The more time I spend on this topic is less time I spend helping others out. That's why I'm in the newsgroups, I'm not here to participate in lengthy debates. :-) The reason I wanted to refrain from further debate is because I've attempted to debate topics of a more simplistic nature, such as a single option that doesn't work they way you think it should, with you in the past and I know how lengthy those became (I'm not referring to those things that were true bugs, such as your scrollbar). Plus, whatever I had to say didn't make a difference - you had your mind set and that was it. I do believe I answered that question, though, (perhaps I drafted it and never posted it in light of my reasons above) there are around 350 commands in Word 2003. I don't know how many there are in Word 2007 but as a rough estimate, about 100 additional commands. The issue the majority of users encounter in the old UI is 350 commands is a lot to take in and a lot to search through to find what they are looking for. So you already have a UI that is a bit overwhelming, new features and functionality will be added. Where are the new commands going to go? New menus? New toolbars? More taskpanes? The UI for Word was designed for 1989 when menus were 4 commands deep and the applications were outgrowing the UI as it was. In light of that, some decisions needed to be made. One was a new design and another was where to put everything. Is there really a need to place seldom used dialog boxes a few clicks away in the UI by default? You may think they should but the majority doesn't. And that's the key here, "the majority". Note that this is also a default. You can right-click Word Options and add it to your Quick Access Toolbar and then it's just a click away or you can use the old accelerator command, such as Alt+T+O and display it. You can add any of the dialog boxes you may use frequently to your Quick Access Toolbar or use the old accelerators from Word 2003. You can even create your own tab on the Ribbon if you want with whatever commands you want to add. In my opinion, this change isn't any different from using slash commands to navigate an application to using a mouse, menus, and toolbars. I recall those days, I couldn't imagine how a mouse was going to make me more efficient than my trusty slash commands! Those were engrained - it was like my hands had their own "brain" and functioned independently of what I was doing. Now I need to look at stuff and click?? I can't see how taking my hands off the keyboard and reaching for a mouse was going to make me work faster! And it's no different from the change from WordBasic to VBA. My first thought was WordBasic was SOOOO simple - why did they make it so much more difficult??? Objects, Properties, Methods, Events? Who needs this stuff? What do they have to do with automating tasks in Word??? Then I learned the power of VBA. I'm currently learning the power of XML. Now, I'm off to do what I come here for in the first place, to help others with Word. :-) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Beth, after you said that Word 2007 is really good once you get into it, I asked you how you could justify certain features of Word 2007, such as the fact that basic controls and dialogs, which used to be two simple steps away from the user interface, are now several awkward steps away from the user interface. You declined to reply, on the basis that it would be a waste of breath because anything you said would not be persuasive to me. For you, who refused to answer my questions and to defend your own position in this discussion, to accuse me of making cheap shots for making the arguments for which you had no answer, is ridiculous. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... The "cheap shot", Larry, is spending a limited amount of time using Word 2007, forming quick and non-researched opinions, and then criticizing it every chance you get. I'm sure if I spent 5 to 10 minutes using "Larry's Word", and if I were one to form quick and non-researched opinions, I'd think it was hideous, a catastrophe, and a monstrosity - all because I haven't taken the time to use it. What you say takes months to learn really doesn't take that long at all. Now, I spent months learning about the new features (which is true of any new version), but I adapted to the UI fairly quickly. FWIW, I've been using the Office applications, with the menus/toolbars, since 1985, starting with Excel on a Mac. I went from using SuperCalc and WordStar with the slash commands and I couldn't imagine how using a mouse would help me work faster than my trusty keyboard navigation! But once I got the hang of using a mouse I never looked back. The UI you love was designed for 1989, just as the slash command nagivation was designed for early computer applications. A lot has changed since then and the programs outgrew the menu/toolbar system. I'm surprised they didn't do this long ago. I think the bottom line is, if you prefer to drive your 1950 Chevy with no air conditioning, manual steering, manual transmission, and drum brakes, then by all means, keep driving it. I prefer to drive my new convertible with air conditioning, automatic steering, split shift transmission (can switch to automatic or manual), anti-lock brakes, heated leather seats, GPS, and 4-disc CD changer. I like my car and I'm tired of someone merely kicking the tires and making assumptions about it. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand. Hey, if MS created two alternative versions of Word, one for people who really like the design of Word 2007 and really enjoy spending months figuring out how to use it, and one for people who expect a basic product into which they've invested years of their lives to remain in existence, then I'd have no problem with that. Larry "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... Larry, I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I will still do that if you are interested. Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is made. -- Greg Maxey/Word MVP See: http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm For some helpful tips using Word. Larry wrote: Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007 is. Larry "CS Hayes" wrote in message ... FYI again I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out. Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a lot of people would be interested in. -- Chris Hayes Still a beginner (only 12 years) "Cindy M." wrote: Hi Chris, And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars, and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be floated. What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including where the toolbars are located - in individual documents. It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY http://www.toolbartoggle.com For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more. A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's $29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html Where there's a need there's a dollar. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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What are you talking about? Larry hasn't moved beyond Word 97. And based on
the several years I've been around these newsgroups, and him, I've never seen anyone force him to do anything he doesn't want to do. ;-) "LurfysMa" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:08:38 -0400, "Greg Maxey" wrote: I think you have completely missed Larry's point. If you like the new product or if you are willing to spend hours learning new techniques, that's great. Larry's point is that MS has forced him to do so. |
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On 23 Apr 2007 09:42:02 -0700, Greg Maxey wrote:
The only thing apparent to me Johnny Come Late is that you are an idiot. Oh, I am being redundant again. Sorry. The only sage advice you have offered so far is to ignore something. I think I will do that now and ignore you. If you get any madder, may you could have a hissy fit and feel all better. You seem to be the one down on the floor rolling around, kicking your feet, and holding your breath. ;-) -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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So far, you have added absolutely nothing in the way of debate. I've been
reading Larry's opinions for far too long (it isn't just in this thread). If you read back through the newsgroup, you will see that I am not in total disagreement with him either and he certainly has my understanding and sympathy. The point I made is that he has made the same point repeatedly: he doesn't like the new interface. This newsgroup is to help others with problems or queries about all versions of Word: Larry doesn't seem to want help. There is a time when enough is enough. How you deduced me as a "half-assed personality / social analysis" from one statement is clever. It make me happy. And what the hell have lemmings to do with this? Terry Farrell "LurfysMa" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:10:30 +0100, "Terry Farrell" wrote: Sorry Larry but you have missed the point. There are many people who share your criticisms of Word 2007 and we are not stopping anyone expressing their opinions. No? I guess you didn't read all those posts telling Larry that he was a little cry baby and to go away and design a better mousetrap. The point they are making is that this has become Larry's endless iatribe - to the point of being boring and more than a little sad. Great. Now we get the therapist wing chiming in with their half-assed personality / social analysis. Larry doesn't sound sad to me. He sounds ****ed. At least he's not a lemming. Lemmings are very sad. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:47:10 -0500, "Beth Melton"
wrote: What are you talking about? Larry hasn't moved beyond Word 97. And based on the several years I've been around these newsgroups, and him, I've never seen anyone force him to do anything he doesn't want to do. ;-) Again, I don't think this is the point. Larry was not accusing anyone here of forcing him to do anything (other than listen to Greg's temper tantrums). His point was that MS is forcing him by replacing the tool he knows with one that he does not like and, unlike the car analogy, he cannot easily just keep his old clunker or buy a car from another company. I happen to agree with his point. It's a valid point. But, if he's still on Word 97, then I have to withdraw my support. I am happily humming the theme song from *Thoroughly Modern Millie* while running Word 2000 on Win 2000. No clunkers for me. "LurfysMa" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:08:38 -0400, "Greg Maxey" wrote: I think you have completely missed Larry's point. If you like the new product or if you are willing to spend hours learning new techniques, that's great. Larry's point is that MS has forced him to do so. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:56:09 +0100, "Terry Farrell"
wrote: So far, you have added absolutely nothing in the way of debate. I've been reading Larry's opinions for far too long (it isn't just in this thread). If you read back through the newsgroup, you will see that I am not in total disagreement with him either and he certainly has my understanding and sympathy. The point I made is that he has made the same point repeatedly: he doesn't like the new interface. That's valuable information. I am far more interested in hearing from unhappy campers than listening to the choir. I can decide if he's a luddite or a troll or an adolescent. This newsgroup is to help others with problems or queries about all versions of Word: Larry doesn't seem to want help. There is a time when enough is enough. Who gets to be the judge? How you deduced me as a "half-assed personality / social analysis" from one statement is clever. It make me happy. And what the hell have lemmings to do with this? You said that Larry's "endless diatribe" was "a little sad". I;d say that was at least patronizing, if not psychoanalysis. Lemmings are the little critters who jump over the cliff to their death just because the little critter ahead of them did so. Here's Larry yelling, "Stop! It's a goddamn cliff. Stop running.". It sounded to me like some of you were saying, "Shut up and follow.". Well, we've certainly beat this one to death. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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We were repeatedly told that there was no satisfactory way to provide a
"Classic" view for Word 2007, certainly not if the product was to meet its release date. The fact that so far no add-in that attempts to provide that view is totally satisfactory should be proof of this. Word 2003 is and will continue to be fully supported for several more versions; Word 97 is currently out of support and I believe Word 2000 as well. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "LurfysMa" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:48:48 -0500, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: I suspect that the next version of Word may take some "backward" steps to accommodate those who were not ready for it. Holding fast with Word 2003 now and then upgrading to Word 14 may be the best plan. If that happens, then Larry has a much bigger complaint. If they were (or are) going to do it, they should have (a) done it now or (b) announced that they had this backup plan and 2003 would be fully supported until it was ready. Now I am getting madder. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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It's a "forum" (look it up), not a MS support group. There is supposed
to be differences of opinion. I strongly differ with yours, for example, but I'm telling you to shut up. Actually, this is not correct. The microsoft.public newsgroup hierarchy are hosted by Microsoft for the purpose of user peer support. The fact that they are propagated to other news servers and slurped by Web portals (including Microsoft's own) is irrelevant: Microsoft owns these NGs. Moreover, the purpose of these NGs is support. Although there is an inevitable amount of discussion and chitchat, their primary purpose is for people to ask questions and get answers. That being the case, it might be argued that any post that is not either a question or an answer (or at least an attempt at an answer) is off-topic. And although it certainly does people some good to kvetch and have others agree with them, it does not help anyone. If you come here and complain about something you don't like and we can tell you a way to work around it, or explain that you have misinterpreted it and there's actually a way for you to do what you want after all, then that's useful. When we begin to lose patience is when people won't take no for an answer. If we tell them, "There is no way to do this in Word," and they keep coming back and asking how to do it, it's very frustrating. Similarly, if we tell someone, "Sorry, that's just the way it is. Deal with it," and he keeps coming back and complaining about it endlessly, then it does become very wearing, not least because we have a sincere desire to help, and there is no way we can help in this situation. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "LurfysMa" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:20:44 -0400, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Larry, I don't see anything cheap in the shot at all. Of course that is my opinion and it differs from yours. And from mine. My point remains that anyone that has been reading your posts recently is fully aware that you don't like Word2007. To continue the diatribe is well ... sounding like a broken record. Then ignore his posts. Again this is just my opinion. Your endless grousing about Word2007 here in this formum is not going to bring back the old UI. It's a "forum" (look it up), not a MS support group. There is supposed to be differences of opinion. I strongly differ with yours, for example, but I'm telling you to shut up. And your endless happy face is, at best, useless. You have other options. Designing your own software was just one of them. Idiotic statement. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:56:09 -0400 from Larry :
There are a lot of people frequenting this group who want to say what I'm saying, but comments like the above make them afraid to say it. (1) "The lurkers support me in email" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurker#...Me_in_Email.22 (2) "The above" -- that's rich, since you're posting upside down and the quote is *below* your comment, not above it. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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This has been very lively discussion. I thank LurfysMa for bravely taking my side against the massed might of the MVPs, though at the last moment she (and I assume from the name it's a she) seems to have changed her mind, though maybe she's being ironic, on finding out that I still use Word 97. But if she's not being ironic but means it, that's pretty funny, given that she herself uses Word 2000. I want to point out that certain people in this thread, after saying they had no intention of putting me down in personal terms or trying to intimidate me away from speaking my mind, repeatedly used language about me that obviously had that intention. Also, to act as if these groups exist for no other purpose than giving and receiving help, so that we cannot DISCUSS the software that is under discussion, is not acceptable. I will continue to have questions about Word 2007 (not for myself at the moment, but for someone I'm helping with it), and along with those questions there inevitably arises the issue of Word 2007's horrendous interface and the costs resulting from the wholesale destruction of the previous interface. For people just to accept the 2007 interface and never comment on it, would turn us into the mindless slaves of Microsoft. Someone mentioned that the next version of Word may "pull back" a bit from the extreme dismantling of Word that was done in 2007. If that is true, it may have something to do with the ability that exists in these groups to discuss Word, its good points and its bad points, frankly and freely. I know certain MVPs disagree with me and disapprove of me on this issue, but, as has already been said, if they feel that way, they can always ignore those posts of mine that they feel add nothing useful. Larry "LurfysMa" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:47:10 -0500, "Beth Melton" wrote: What are you talking about? Larry hasn't moved beyond Word 97. And based on the several years I've been around these newsgroups, and him, I've never seen anyone force him to do anything he doesn't want to do. ;-) Again, I don't think this is the point. Larry was not accusing anyone here of forcing him to do anything (other than listen to Greg's temper tantrums). His point was that MS is forcing him by replacing the tool he knows with one that he does not like and, unlike the car analogy, he cannot easily just keep his old clunker or buy a car from another company. I happen to agree with his point. It's a valid point. But, if he's still on Word 97, then I have to withdraw my support. I am happily humming the theme song from *Thoroughly Modern Millie* while running Word 2000 on Win 2000. No clunkers for me. "LurfysMa" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:08:38 -0400, "Greg Maxey" wrote: I think you have completely missed Larry's point. If you like the new product or if you are willing to spend hours learning new techniques, that's great. Larry's point is that MS has forced him to do so. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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Larry
We will always try to answer any questions: please don't think that we are putting anyone on a blacklist. The point we are making is not to agree or disagree with your dislike of the new interface (you already know that I support many of your concerns), but further arguments about the interface is not going to get us any further. We need to progress with what we have. Despite what others may think, MVPs are not Microsoft Lackeys worshipping their every decision. Be assured that we raised concerns about lack of legacy interface option, lack of ribbon customisation and a host of other dislikes and concerns with MS. Terry Farrell "Larry" wrote in message ... This has been very lively discussion. I thank LurfysMa for bravely taking my side against the massed might of the MVPs, though at the last moment she (and I assume from the name it's a she) seems to have changed her mind, though maybe she's being ironic, on finding out that I still use Word 97. But if she's not being ironic but means it, that's pretty funny, given that she herself uses Word 2000. I want to point out that certain people in this thread, after saying they had no intention of putting me down in personal terms or trying to intimidate me away from speaking my mind, repeatedly used language about me that obviously had that intention. Also, to act as if these groups exist for no other purpose than giving and receiving help, so that we cannot DISCUSS the software that is under discussion, is not acceptable. I will continue to have questions about Word 2007 (not for myself at the moment, but for someone I'm helping with it), and along with those questions there inevitably arises the issue of Word 2007's horrendous interface and the costs resulting from the wholesale destruction of the previous interface. For people just to accept the 2007 interface and never comment on it, would turn us into the mindless slaves of Microsoft. Someone mentioned that the next version of Word may "pull back" a bit from the extreme dismantling of Word that was done in 2007. If that is true, it may have something to do with the ability that exists in these groups to discuss Word, its good points and its bad points, frankly and freely. I know certain MVPs disagree with me and disapprove of me on this issue, but, as has already been said, if they feel that way, they can always ignore those posts of mine that they feel add nothing useful. Larry |
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Agreed.
We addressed customization concerns 18 months ago. At first, like you, many were outraged. But quality feedback isn't telling someone "this stinks" - that won't get you very far and it's honestly not a "discussion". A discussion consists of knowledgeable, rational, and reasonable feedback, along with offering suggestions instead of mere criticism. Quality feedback goes something like, first complement an aspect you like, provide a problem statement, and then offer a reasonable suggestion. (At least that's what seems to work for me. ;-) ). We've offered numerous suggestions for the last 18 months and right now all we can do is wait. There have been hints but nothing has been confirmed. The only way to provide quality feedback and have a knowledgeable discussion on any subject is to first understand what you're talking about and not make quick assessments. I don't think making sure I have a full understanding of a subject in order to provide quality feedback makes me a "mindless slave" or a "Microsoft Lackey", I think it's called "knowing your enemy". grin And typically, as you get to know your enemy, you discover along the way that they are some qualities about your enemy that you like, but it doesn't mean you love everything about your enemy, and you still address those concerns every chance you get. I think you'd have to agree that when all someone has to say are things such as, "horrendous", "hideous catastrophe", "monstrosity", it sounds more like Henny Penny -- someone who is running about in a crazed state yelling "Word is coming to its demise! We must act quickly and swiftly to stop this catastrophe!". It doesn't sound rational or reasonable - it certainly isn't laying the groundwork for a rationale discussion. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Larry We will always try to answer any questions: please don't think that we are putting anyone on a blacklist. The point we are making is not to agree or disagree with your dislike of the new interface (you already know that I support many of your concerns), but further arguments about the interface is not going to get us any further. We need to progress with what we have. Despite what others may think, MVPs are not Microsoft Lackeys worshipping their every decision. Be assured that we raised concerns about lack of legacy interface option, lack of ribbon customisation and a host of other dislikes and concerns with MS. Terry Farrell "Larry" wrote in message ... This has been very lively discussion. I thank LurfysMa for bravely taking my side against the massed might of the MVPs, though at the last moment she (and I assume from the name it's a she) seems to have changed her mind, though maybe she's being ironic, on finding out that I still use Word 97. But if she's not being ironic but means it, that's pretty funny, given that she herself uses Word 2000. I want to point out that certain people in this thread, after saying they had no intention of putting me down in personal terms or trying to intimidate me away from speaking my mind, repeatedly used language about me that obviously had that intention. Also, to act as if these groups exist for no other purpose than giving and receiving help, so that we cannot DISCUSS the software that is under discussion, is not acceptable. I will continue to have questions about Word 2007 (not for myself at the moment, but for someone I'm helping with it), and along with those questions there inevitably arises the issue of Word 2007's horrendous interface and the costs resulting from the wholesale destruction of the previous interface. For people just to accept the 2007 interface and never comment on it, would turn us into the mindless slaves of Microsoft. Someone mentioned that the next version of Word may "pull back" a bit from the extreme dismantling of Word that was done in 2007. If that is true, it may have something to do with the ability that exists in these groups to discuss Word, its good points and its bad points, frankly and freely. I know certain MVPs disagree with me and disapprove of me on this issue, but, as has already been said, if they feel that way, they can always ignore those posts of mine that they feel add nothing useful. Larry |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:46:52 -0400, "Larry"
wrote: This has been very lively discussion. I thank LurfysMa for bravely taking my side against the massed might of the MVPs, though at the last moment she (and I assume from the name it's a she) seems to have changed her mind, though maybe she's being ironic, on finding out that I still use Word 97. But if she's not being ironic but means it, that's pretty funny, given that she herself uses Word 2000. Geez, Larry, maybe your detractors are right. Yes, I was kidding you and being ironic. Did you need to ask? You might want to go in to have your obsessive-compulsive levels checked. ;-) BTW: We are upgrading all of our computers soon and will be installing Office 2007. That's why your post caught my eye. I'll let you know if I agree with your opinion of the interface. Even if I like it, I still consider MS arrogant and dismissive of the needs of many users. It's primary customers are corporations who buy thousands of licenses. This NG is one way MS gets a lot of hard-working folks to work for free answering questions about the vagaries of their products. If they paid the MVPs even half of what they are worth, many of them could quit their day jobs. -- Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000 |
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FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus
Some may see it that way, but for me, the newsgroups help increase my
knowledge of the applications.You see, the newsgroups are a two-way street. I learn something new every day, either by reading advice offered by others or researching a question, and that makes me more of an asset in my profession. There's only so much you can learn on your own. :-) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "LurfysMa" wrote in message ... This NG is one way MS gets a lot of hard-working folks to work for free answering questions about the vagaries of their products. If they paid the MVPs even half of what they are worth, many of them could quit their day jobs. |
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