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_Hlt Bookmark
I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is
sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I should add that this doc. has large amounts of copied material; I've tried to always paste as plain text & reformat, but occasionally forget. I use styles and insert pictures, etc. quite religiously. In other words, I use the tool correctly. Despite this, the file is a bit unstable. I Open and Repair fairly often to try to keep it from completely blowing up. Sometimes it has no repaired items, sometimes it does. It's based on a custom template developed by someone else (but it's a pretty normal looking template). So, back to my orig. question - what are _Hlt bookmarks/what do they signify? Thanks much, GMc Phoenix |
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Hi ?B?R01j?=,
I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I know I've seen this kind of bookmark before, but for the life of me I can't remember what it's related to. I'm replying to let you know that someone has read it, and to bring the post to the top so that other see it again. Maybe that will trigger someone's memory... FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with "flaky formatting". If you have a link to that Google post, I'd like to read the entire thread. That may ring a bell. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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I googled this issue when the message was originally posted, because I also
recalled previous discussion of it (but not the resolution). I couldn't find anything except questions and speculation--no definitive answer--which is why I didn't reply. It would definitely be nice if someone did know what this type of bookmark means. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Cindy M." wrote in message news:VA.0000082f.00d539c1@speedy... Hi ?B?R01j?=, I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I know I've seen this kind of bookmark before, but for the life of me I can't remember what it's related to. I'm replying to let you know that someone has read it, and to bring the post to the top so that other see it again. Maybe that will trigger someone's memory... FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with "flaky formatting". If you have a link to that Google post, I'd like to read the entire thread. That may ring a bell. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Cindy,
The Google Group thread I read was under the heading "Creating Hidden Bookmarks" in the Microsoft.Public.Word.VBA.General group http://groups.google.com/group/micro....general?hl=en . If you go to that group and search for "_Hlt" the discussion comes up. I really don't think it sheds any light, but give it a try in case it helps you remember something. :-) Thx to you and Suzanne both for trying. -- GMc Phoenix "Cindy M." wrote: Hi ?B?R01j?=, I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I know I've seen this kind of bookmark before, but for the life of me I can't remember what it's related to. I'm replying to let you know that someone has read it, and to bring the post to the top so that other see it again. Maybe that will trigger someone's memory... FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with "flaky formatting". If you have a link to that Google post, I'd like to read the entire thread. That may ring a bell. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Hi all
Cindy M. wrote: I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I know I've seen this kind of bookmark before, but for the life of me I can't remember what it's related to. I'm replying to let you know that someone has read it, and to bring the post to the top so that other see it again. Maybe that will trigger someone's memory... speculation Copy | Paste, as Link from this document to something else (i.e., different Word document), so that Word can remember where it has copied from (it somehow needs to if it is supposed to update the link in the target)? /speculation 2cents Robert -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS \ / | MVP X Against HTML | for / \ in e-mail & news | Word |
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Hi ?B?R01j?=,
The Google Group thread I read was under the heading "Creating Hidden Bookmarks" in the Microsoft.Public.Word.VBA.General group http://groups.google.com/group/micro....general?hl=en . If you go to that group and search for "_Hlt" the discussion comes up. I really don't think it sheds any light, but give it a try in case it helps you remember something. :-) You're right, it doesn't shed any more light... What kind of information follows the Hlt? Text, or a bunch of numbers? (If it's text, the origin might be something other than Word; bunch of numbers, then it's more likely internal) Is there any kind of pattern where these bookmarks are located in the document / what kinds of things they mark? Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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I have also noticed the _Hlt bookmarks from time to time. Today, I think I
found out when these bookmarks are added at least I found some operations that create them. Below I have explained what I found: When you click a hyperlink, e.g. in a TOC or in a cross-reference created with the \h switch, a _Hlt bookmark is added to the document. The _Hlt bookmark includes the character on which you clicked. If you click the first character in a TOC, the _Hlt book-mark seems to include the entire paragraph (this also happened a couple of times when clicking a tab leader). After I found this system, I could create _Hlt bookmarks systematically. And: Hlt could actually be an abbreviation of HyperLinkText or another T-word. All the _Hlt bookmarks seem to follow the syntax _Hlt+9 digits, e.g. _Hlt154502671. The most recently added _Hlt bookmark seems to always have a higher number than older bookmarks, regardless of where in the document the hyperlink you click is found. It may be by coincidence, but the first 5 digits in all the _Hlt bookmarks I have seen during my test have been: 15450, i.e. all the bookmarks have been named _Hlt15450XXXX. Sometimes, when the first _Htl bookmark in a document is created, a second book-mark, only one number higher and including the same text, has also been created (i.e. 2 bookmarks to the same text the first time). If you click exactly the same character in a link more than once, no additional book-marks are added. I have not been able to find any system in the last 4 digits of the bookmark names. They seem to be created randomly and the numbers are not consecutive. But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Cindy M." wrote: Hi ?B?R01j?=, I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I know I've seen this kind of bookmark before, but for the life of me I can't remember what it's related to. I'm replying to let you know that someone has read it, and to bring the post to the top so that other see it again. Maybe that will trigger someone's memory... FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with "flaky formatting". If you have a link to that Google post, I'd like to read the entire thread. That may ring a bell. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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_Hlt Bookmark
But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what
they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? Could they be to facilitate a Shift+F5 (GoBack) return to the TOC? (Not that this usually works, of course.) -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Lene Fredborg" wrote in message ... I have also noticed the _Hlt bookmarks from time to time. Today, I think I found out when these bookmarks are added at least I found some operations that create them. Below I have explained what I found: When you click a hyperlink, e.g. in a TOC or in a cross-reference created with the \h switch, a _Hlt bookmark is added to the document. The _Hlt bookmark includes the character on which you clicked. If you click the first character in a TOC, the _Hlt book-mark seems to include the entire paragraph (this also happened a couple of times when clicking a tab leader). After I found this system, I could create _Hlt bookmarks systematically. And: Hlt could actually be an abbreviation of HyperLinkText or another T-word. All the _Hlt bookmarks seem to follow the syntax _Hlt+9 digits, e.g. _Hlt154502671. The most recently added _Hlt bookmark seems to always have a higher number than older bookmarks, regardless of where in the document the hyperlink you click is found. It may be by coincidence, but the first 5 digits in all the _Hlt bookmarks I have seen during my test have been: 15450, i.e. all the bookmarks have been named _Hlt15450XXXX. Sometimes, when the first _Htl bookmark in a document is created, a second book-mark, only one number higher and including the same text, has also been created (i.e. 2 bookmarks to the same text the first time). If you click exactly the same character in a link more than once, no additional book-marks are added. I have not been able to find any system in the last 4 digits of the bookmark names. They seem to be created randomly and the numbers are not consecutive. But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Cindy M." wrote: Hi ?B?R01j?=, I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I know I've seen this kind of bookmark before, but for the life of me I can't remember what it's related to. I'm replying to let you know that someone has read it, and to bring the post to the top so that other see it again. Maybe that will trigger someone's memory... FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with "flaky formatting". If you have a link to that Google post, I'd like to read the entire thread. That may ring a bell. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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It seems likely that you are right. I can see that Shift+F5 at least
sometimes goes to a _Hlt bookmark. However, since Shift+F5 (GoBack) should bring you to a previous editing point, I would not expect the command to go to a place you just clicked (Ctrl+click). I would never think of a click in a hyperlink as change to the document. -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? Could they be to facilitate a Shift+F5 (GoBack) return to the TOC? (Not that this usually works, of course.) -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Lene Fredborg" wrote in message ... I have also noticed the _Hlt bookmarks from time to time. Today, I think I found out when these bookmarks are added at least I found some operations that create them. Below I have explained what I found: When you click a hyperlink, e.g. in a TOC or in a cross-reference created with the \h switch, a _Hlt bookmark is added to the document. The _Hlt bookmark includes the character on which you clicked. If you click the first character in a TOC, the _Hlt book-mark seems to include the entire paragraph (this also happened a couple of times when clicking a tab leader). After I found this system, I could create _Hlt bookmarks systematically. And: Hlt could actually be an abbreviation of HyperLinkText or another T-word. All the _Hlt bookmarks seem to follow the syntax _Hlt+9 digits, e.g. _Hlt154502671. The most recently added _Hlt bookmark seems to always have a higher number than older bookmarks, regardless of where in the document the hyperlink you click is found. It may be by coincidence, but the first 5 digits in all the _Hlt bookmarks I have seen during my test have been: 15450, i.e. all the bookmarks have been named _Hlt15450XXXX. Sometimes, when the first _Htl bookmark in a document is created, a second book-mark, only one number higher and including the same text, has also been created (i.e. 2 bookmarks to the same text the first time). If you click exactly the same character in a link more than once, no additional book-marks are added. I have not been able to find any system in the last 4 digits of the bookmark names. They seem to be created randomly and the numbers are not consecutive. But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Cindy M." wrote: Hi ?B?R01j?=, I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I know I've seen this kind of bookmark before, but for the life of me I can't remember what it's related to. I'm replying to let you know that someone has read it, and to bring the post to the top so that other see it again. Maybe that will trigger someone's memory... FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with "flaky formatting". If you have a link to that Google post, I'd like to read the entire thread. That may ring a bell. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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We have an awful lot of requests from people to be able to go back to the
TOC when they have clicked on a TOC entry (or even to return to any place in the document where they clicked on a hyperlink). While Shift+F5 usually doesn't work for this, the Back button on the Web toolbar (or the Alt+Left Arrow shortcut) will. All very mysterious! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Lene Fredborg" wrote in message ... It seems likely that you are right. I can see that Shift+F5 at least sometimes goes to a _Hlt bookmark. However, since Shift+F5 (GoBack) should bring you to a previous editing point, I would not expect the command to go to a place you just clicked (Ctrl+click). I would never think of a click in a hyperlink as change to the document. -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? Could they be to facilitate a Shift+F5 (GoBack) return to the TOC? (Not that this usually works, of course.) -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Lene Fredborg" wrote in message ... I have also noticed the _Hlt bookmarks from time to time. Today, I think I found out when these bookmarks are added at least I found some operations that create them. Below I have explained what I found: When you click a hyperlink, e.g. in a TOC or in a cross-reference created with the \h switch, a _Hlt bookmark is added to the document. The _Hlt bookmark includes the character on which you clicked. If you click the first character in a TOC, the _Hlt book-mark seems to include the entire paragraph (this also happened a couple of times when clicking a tab leader). After I found this system, I could create _Hlt bookmarks systematically. And: Hlt could actually be an abbreviation of HyperLinkText or another T-word. All the _Hlt bookmarks seem to follow the syntax _Hlt+9 digits, e.g. _Hlt154502671. The most recently added _Hlt bookmark seems to always have a higher number than older bookmarks, regardless of where in the document the hyperlink you click is found. It may be by coincidence, but the first 5 digits in all the _Hlt bookmarks I have seen during my test have been: 15450, i.e. all the bookmarks have been named _Hlt15450XXXX. Sometimes, when the first _Htl bookmark in a document is created, a second book-mark, only one number higher and including the same text, has also been created (i.e. 2 bookmarks to the same text the first time). If you click exactly the same character in a link more than once, no additional book-marks are added. I have not been able to find any system in the last 4 digits of the bookmark names. They seem to be created randomly and the numbers are not consecutive. But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Cindy M." wrote: Hi ?B?R01j?=, I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I know I've seen this kind of bookmark before, but for the life of me I can't remember what it's related to. I'm replying to let you know that someone has read it, and to bring the post to the top so that other see it again. Maybe that will trigger someone's memory... FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with "flaky formatting". If you have a link to that Google post, I'd like to read the entire thread. That may ring a bell. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Hi Lene,
Thank you very much for sharing your observations. I've put a "keeper" on your message :-) I think Suzanne's surmise is probably correct, as far as these marking the "origin point" of a hyperlink. I tried inserting a "plain" bookmark, then a hyperlink to that. This also generated a _Hlt bookmark when I clicked that hyperlink. On my installation, however, in all cases the bookmark seems to pick up only a single character (rather than an entire paragraph) - the character I clicked on. All "Web" interfaces have a "back" button that let you return to the previous place you were reading. I suspect that these may be to support that? I have also noticed the _Hlt bookmarks from time to time. Today, I think I found out when these bookmarks are added at least I found some operations that create them. Below I have explained what I found: When you click a hyperlink, e.g. in a TOC or in a cross-reference created with the \h switch, a _Hlt bookmark is added to the document. The _Hlt bookmark includes the character on which you clicked. If you click the first character in a TOC, the _Hlt book-mark seems to include the entire paragraph (this also happened a couple of times when clicking a tab leader). After I found this system, I could create _Hlt bookmarks systematically. And: Hlt could actually be an abbreviation of HyperLinkText or another T-word. All the _Hlt bookmarks seem to follow the syntax _Hlt+9 digits, e.g. _Hlt154502671. The most recently added _Hlt bookmark seems to always have a higher number than older bookmarks, regardless of where in the document the hyperlink you click is found. It may be by coincidence, but the first 5 digits in all the _Hlt bookmarks I have seen during my test have been: 15450, i.e. all the bookmarks have been named _Hlt15450XXXX. Sometimes, when the first _Htl bookmark in a document is created, a second book-mark, only one number higher and including the same text, has also been created (i.e. 2 bookmarks to the same text the first time). If you click exactly the same character in a link more than once, no additional book-marks are added. I have not been able to find any system in the last 4 digits of the bookmark names. They seem to be created randomly and the numbers are not consecutive. But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Hi Lene
Lene Fredborg wrote: It seems likely that you are right. I can see that Shift+F5 at least sometimes goes to a _Hlt bookmark. However, since Shift+F5 (GoBack) should bring you to a previous editing point, I would not expect the command to go to a place you just clicked (Ctrl+click). I would never think of a click in a hyperlink as change to the document. If it's a first-time click, then Word will change the character style from "Hyperlink" to (IIRC) "Visited ...". In that light, well, it's a change. 2¢ Robert -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS \ / | MVP X Against HTML | for / \ in e-mail & news | Word |
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I did not have the Web toolbar in mind until Suzanne mentioned it. I have now
tried to test whether I could find a clear relationship between the _Hlt bookmarks and the Back (Alt+Left Arrow) and Forward (Alt+Right Arrow) commands on the Web toolbar. Actually, the Back command _always_ seems to go back to the latest _Hlt bookmarked location if Back is executed immediately after clicking a hyperlink (the GoBack (Shift+F5) does _not always_ do the same)). And if you select Back and Forward multiple times, they also seem to find the _Hlt bookmarked places. I have also noticed that a new _Hlt bookmark is added each time you select Back or Forward. These _Hlt bookmarks are added to the position you click regardless of whether it is a hyperlink or not. Also, Back and Forward seems to be disabled until the first time you have followed a hyperlink in a document. So there absolutely seems to be a relationship between the _Hlt bookmarks and the Back and Forward commands. Further observations: If you update all fields in a document, all the _Hlt bookmarks in the fields are deleted which seems obvious since the fields are actually replaced by the update (this also explains why the list of _Hlt bookmarks does not continue to grow). _Hlt bookmarks outside fields will remain. But the mystery is not solved yet: If _all_ the _Hlt bookmarks are gone (due to field update or manual deletion), and if the Back and Forward commands need the _Hlt bookmarks, the Back and Forward commands should again be disabled until you have followed at least one hyperlink. But the commands are not disabled! Most often (but not consistently) the commands seem to be able to go to at least some previously _Hlt bookmarked locations anyway. So maybe the _Hlt bookmarks are just (or partly) reminiscence from the time before the Back and Forward commands on the Web toolbar were introduced? ------------------------- Some facts about the Back and Forward buttons on the Web toolbar: The Back button executes the command WebGoBack The Forward button executes the command WebGoForward To find the commands, select Tools Customize. In the Categories list, select All Commands. The commands can now be found in the Commands list. During my check of commands I also found a built-in command named GotoTableOfContents. The command selects the entire TOC (it only checks for the first TOC in a document and it shows a message if no TOC is found). The command seems to be an old WordBasic command - so even if I have only had the chance to test the command in Word 2003, I think it will be found in several older versions. When added to a toolbar, the command appears as an icon with a page and an arrow pointing upwards. -------------------------- Below you will find a macro that adds the Back, Forward and GotoTableOfContents commands to the _start_ of the Standard toolbar and saves the changes to Normal.dot (change the value of Before to add the commands in another position on the toolbar): Sub AddGotoButtonsToStandardToolbar() CustomizationContext = NormalTemplate 'ID 6114 = GotoTableOfContents 'ID 1018 = WebGoForward 'ID 1017 = WebGoBack With CommandBars("Standard").Controls .Add msoControlButton, ID:=6114, Befo=1 .Add msoControlButton, ID:=1018, Befo=1 .Add msoControlButton, ID:=1017, Befo=1 End With NormalTemplate.Save End Sub -------------------------- If you want the GotoTableOfContents command to _position the insertion point in the start of the TOC_ instead of selecting the entire TOC, you may copy the following macro to your Normal.dot. If you keep the macro name unchanged, the macro will run instead of the built-in Goto-TableOfContents command. Sub GotoTableOfContents() First exectue the built in GotoTableOfContents command WordBasic.GotoTableOfContents 'Then collapse the selection in start of TOC Selection.Collapse (wdCollapseStart) End Sub -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Lene Fredborg" wrote: It seems likely that you are right. I can see that Shift+F5 at least sometimes goes to a _Hlt bookmark. However, since Shift+F5 (GoBack) should bring you to a previous editing point, I would not expect the command to go to a place you just clicked (Ctrl+click). I would never think of a click in a hyperlink as change to the document. -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? Could they be to facilitate a Shift+F5 (GoBack) return to the TOC? (Not that this usually works, of course.) -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Lene Fredborg" wrote in message ... I have also noticed the _Hlt bookmarks from time to time. Today, I think I found out when these bookmarks are added at least I found some operations that create them. Below I have explained what I found: When you click a hyperlink, e.g. in a TOC or in a cross-reference created with the \h switch, a _Hlt bookmark is added to the document. The _Hlt bookmark includes the character on which you clicked. If you click the first character in a TOC, the _Hlt book-mark seems to include the entire paragraph (this also happened a couple of times when clicking a tab leader). After I found this system, I could create _Hlt bookmarks systematically. And: Hlt could actually be an abbreviation of HyperLinkText or another T-word. All the _Hlt bookmarks seem to follow the syntax _Hlt+9 digits, e.g. _Hlt154502671. The most recently added _Hlt bookmark seems to always have a higher number than older bookmarks, regardless of where in the document the hyperlink you click is found. It may be by coincidence, but the first 5 digits in all the _Hlt bookmarks I have seen during my test have been: 15450, i.e. all the bookmarks have been named _Hlt15450XXXX. Sometimes, when the first _Htl bookmark in a document is created, a second book-mark, only one number higher and including the same text, has also been created (i.e. 2 bookmarks to the same text the first time). If you click exactly the same character in a link more than once, no additional book-marks are added. I have not been able to find any system in the last 4 digits of the bookmark names. They seem to be created randomly and the numbers are not consecutive. But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Cindy M." wrote: Hi ?B?R01j?=, I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I know I've seen this kind of bookmark before, but for the life of me I can't remember what it's related to. I'm replying to let you know that someone has read it, and to bring the post to the top so that other see it again. Maybe that will trigger someone's memory... FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with "flaky formatting". If you have a link to that Google post, I'd like to read the entire thread. That may ring a bell. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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To add to your information, I have found that the GoToTOC button/command
does not work if the TOC is generated from TC fields. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Lene Fredborg" wrote in message news  I did not have the Web toolbar in mind until Suzanne mentioned it. I have now tried to test whether I could find a clear relationship between the _Hlt bookmarks and the Back (Alt+Left Arrow) and Forward (Alt+Right Arrow) commands on the Web toolbar. Actually, the Back command _always_ seems to go back to the latest _Hlt bookmarked location if Back is executed immediately after clicking a hyperlink (the GoBack (Shift+F5) does _not always_ do the same)). And if you select Back and Forward multiple times, they also seem to find the _Hlt bookmarked places. I have also noticed that a new _Hlt bookmark is added each time you select Back or Forward. These _Hlt bookmarks are added to the position you click regardless of whether it is a hyperlink or not. Also, Back and Forward seems to be disabled until the first time you have followed a hyperlink in a document. So there absolutely seems to be a relationship between the _Hlt bookmarks and the Back and Forward commands. Further observations: If you update all fields in a document, all the _Hlt bookmarks in the fields are deleted which seems obvious since the fields are actually replaced by the update (this also explains why the list of _Hlt bookmarks does not continue to grow). _Hlt bookmarks outside fields will remain. But the mystery is not solved yet: If _all_ the _Hlt bookmarks are gone (due to field update or manual deletion), and if the Back and Forward commands need the _Hlt bookmarks, the Back and Forward commands should again be disabled until you have followed at least one hyperlink. But the commands are not disabled! Most often (but not consistently) the commands seem to be able to go to at least some previously _Hlt bookmarked locations anyway. So maybe the _Hlt bookmarks are just (or partly) reminiscence from the time before the Back and Forward commands on the Web toolbar were introduced? ------------------------- Some facts about the Back and Forward buttons on the Web toolbar: The Back button executes the command WebGoBack The Forward button executes the command WebGoForward To find the commands, select Tools Customize. In the Categories list, select All Commands. The commands can now be found in the Commands list. During my check of commands I also found a built-in command named GotoTableOfContents. The command selects the entire TOC (it only checks for the first TOC in a document and it shows a message if no TOC is found). The command seems to be an old WordBasic command - so even if I have only had the chance to test the command in Word 2003, I think it will be found in several older versions. When added to a toolbar, the command appears as an icon with a page and an arrow pointing upwards. -------------------------- Below you will find a macro that adds the Back, Forward and GotoTableOfContents commands to the _start_ of the Standard toolbar and saves the changes to Normal.dot (change the value of Before to add the commands in another position on the toolbar): Sub AddGotoButtonsToStandardToolbar() CustomizationContext = NormalTemplate 'ID 6114 = GotoTableOfContents 'ID 1018 = WebGoForward 'ID 1017 = WebGoBack With CommandBars("Standard").Controls .Add msoControlButton, ID:=6114, Befo=1 .Add msoControlButton, ID:=1018, Befo=1 .Add msoControlButton, ID:=1017, Befo=1 End With NormalTemplate.Save End Sub -------------------------- If you want the GotoTableOfContents command to _position the insertion point in the start of the TOC_ instead of selecting the entire TOC, you may copy the following macro to your Normal.dot. If you keep the macro name unchanged, the macro will run instead of the built-in Goto-TableOfContents command. Sub GotoTableOfContents() First exectue the built in GotoTableOfContents command WordBasic.GotoTableOfContents 'Then collapse the selection in start of TOC Selection.Collapse (wdCollapseStart) End Sub -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Lene Fredborg" wrote: It seems likely that you are right. I can see that Shift+F5 at least sometimes goes to a _Hlt bookmark. However, since Shift+F5 (GoBack) should bring you to a previous editing point, I would not expect the command to go to a place you just clicked (Ctrl+click). I would never think of a click in a hyperlink as change to the document. -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? Could they be to facilitate a Shift+F5 (GoBack) return to the TOC? (Not that this usually works, of course.) -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Lene Fredborg" wrote in message ... I have also noticed the _Hlt bookmarks from time to time. Today, I think I found out when these bookmarks are added at least I found some operations that create them. Below I have explained what I found: When you click a hyperlink, e.g. in a TOC or in a cross-reference created with the \h switch, a _Hlt bookmark is added to the document. The _Hlt bookmark includes the character on which you clicked. If you click the first character in a TOC, the _Hlt book-mark seems to include the entire paragraph (this also happened a couple of times when clicking a tab leader). After I found this system, I could create _Hlt bookmarks systematically. And: Hlt could actually be an abbreviation of HyperLinkText or another T-word. All the _Hlt bookmarks seem to follow the syntax _Hlt+9 digits, e.g. _Hlt154502671. The most recently added _Hlt bookmark seems to always have a higher number than older bookmarks, regardless of where in the document the hyperlink you click is found. It may be by coincidence, but the first 5 digits in all the _Hlt bookmarks I have seen during my test have been: 15450, i.e. all the bookmarks have been named _Hlt15450XXXX. Sometimes, when the first _Htl bookmark in a document is created, a second book-mark, only one number higher and including the same text, has also been created (i.e. 2 bookmarks to the same text the first time). If you click exactly the same character in a link more than once, no additional book-marks are added. I have not been able to find any system in the last 4 digits of the bookmark names. They seem to be created randomly and the numbers are not consecutive. But I cannot find any good reason why the bookmarks are created and what they can be used for. Why should anybody be interested in retrieving the spot you clicked to follow a hyperlink? -- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "Cindy M." wrote: Hi ?B?R01j?=, I have a 150-pg. doc. in Word 2003 on Win. XP Professional, and it is sporting a large number of _Hlt bookmarks (in addition to _Toc, _Ref, and those I've created). I understand what the _Toc and _Ref bookmarks are, but what is the _Hlt? I read something in a Google post that _Hlt may have to do w/"flaky formatting"? I know I've seen this kind of bookmark before, but for the life of me I can't remember what it's related to. I'm replying to let you know that someone has read it, and to bring the post to the top so that other see it again. Maybe that will trigger someone's memory... FWIW, I don't think it has anything to do with "flaky formatting". If you have a link to that Google post, I'd like to read the entire thread. That may ring a bell. Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17 2005) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) |
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Well, I got away from this thread due to moving, holidays, work, etc. (Only took me 2 months to get back to it...) I am amazed at the info you uncovered, Lena. A belated thank you very much for sharing! And thanks to everyone else for their comments, too. -- GMc Phoenix |
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Welcome back and thank you for the feedback.
-- Regards Lene Fredborg DocTools - Denmark www.thedoctools.com Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word "GMc" wrote: Well, I got away from this thread due to moving, holidays, work, etc. (Only took me 2 months to get back to it...) I am amazed at the info you uncovered, Lena. A belated thank you very much for sharing! And thanks to everyone else for their comments, too. -- GMc Phoenix |
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