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  #11  
Old June 30th 08, 11:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
digitig
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Default Where is the word count tool?

"Older Than You" wrote:

Oh great, I guess we are supposed to be mind-readers and just know all this.

"Could you provide some steps to reproduce the behavior?"


To be fair, I'm quite glad that Microsoft can't see everything I'm typing in
my word processor. I do like /some/ degree of privacy!

Isn't MS supposed to be telling US where these behaviors are? Didn't
someone test this before releasing it? Why to users have to point out the
problems?

But I guess if there is no regard for the amount of lost productivity caused
by someone in MS not having anything better to do than completely change the
UI, there certainly is no interest in telling customers how the new UI
actually works (when it does).


Well, I loathe the new UI with a vengeance, especially the way common hot
key sequences are really long (altEF replaced with altHFDF, and try
getting to custom document properties just using the keyboard!) whilst rare
actions have really short sequences (altPH for hyphenation settings and
altPJ to set the columns -- both things that I do once and for all in the
document template), and the way I keep having to switch between ribbon tabs
when on previous version I could have left all the relevant toolbars open for
the task I was performing (when I'm putting a series of figures drawn in a
different tool into a document, I hate the way the crop icon goes away when I
add a caption -- I reckon it pretty much doubles the distance the mouse has
to travel to do the job).

But for all that, when I had trouble with word count I came here and found
that the function I was used to was still available and still worked as it
should, so credit to Microsoft for leaving it in. And when I come here with
what is effectively a bug report, what on earth do you expect /any/
responsible company to do other than ask for the steps to repeat the
behaviour?
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  #12  
Old June 30th 08, 11:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Bob Buckland ?:-\)
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Hi Digitig,

Thank you for the additional information. When you mention that it's working in two parts but not the third, can you explain how
you're creating or tracking separate 'parts'?

Is the document all just text?

The 'Words:nn' choice on the status bar does gray out as you're typing and then 'catches up' during pauses, and this can sometimes
happen on first selection of partial document text as well, more so if you have all of the proofing selections turned on for
spelling/grammar/etc 'as you type'.

================
"digitig" wrote in message news
Could you provide some steps to reproduce the behavior?


Unfortunately no, I've not found a pattern to it yet. Mind you, I've only
just noticed it (it's the first time I've needed word count since moving to
Office 2007) so I'll keep a look out to see if I can make it reproducible.

Is this typed text, or text pasted from a non-Word document pasted in?


This is text I have typed in. It's a college assignment in which I need to
do 1000 words for the first part and 300 for each of the second and third
parts. The partial counts were showing fine for the parts 1 and 2, not at all
for part 3. I kept typing and selecting, and after a bit more typing and
selecting the word count started appearing as it should (now I just need to
get my word count down by about 20%!).

What font are you using and what view are you working in.


Calibri, print layout.
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  #13  
Old June 30th 08, 12:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Bob Buckland ?:-\)
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Hi Digitig,

On the keyboard shortcuts you mentioned, you may find that many of the old version ones still work g as do the new ones.

For example Alt, E, F will still bring up Edit=Find (as will Ctrl+F). If you press Alt, then E, you should see a tooltip that
Word 2007 recognized that you are using an Office 2003 shortcut key sequence

Old ones that don't always work were often on the old File menu (now Office button menu), where properties moved to
Office Button=Prepare=Properties so (Alt, F, E, P) works to get you to the 'basic' properties, but the old (Alt, F, I) will
now take you to the 'Office Center' (Word 2007 Options) dialog

You can, however, add your own keyboard shortcuts as well, at least in Word g. For example to add a keyboard shortcut for the
Word 2003 like properties dialog you can use
Office Button=Word Options=Customize=Keyboard Shortcuts
(Alt, F, I, C)
and from the 'All commands' category, select the FileProperties choice.

You can right click on the Crop tool icon to add-it to the Quick access toolbar, although it does appear in the
Picture Tools=Format ribbon with a double click of the picture after inserting a caption. If you're handy with VBA (which
I'm not g, it can probably also be added to the right click menu for pictures as well.

There are a number of different spreadsheets, by example tools and add-ins available that you may find helpful.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx
http://officelabs.com/projects/searc...s/default.aspx


Some folks prefer to work with a minimzed ribbon (ctrl+F1 or double click on a ribbon tab)

===============
"digitig" wrote in message ...
"Older Than You" wrote:

Oh great, I guess we are supposed to be mind-readers and just know all this.

"Could you provide some steps to reproduce the behavior?"


To be fair, I'm quite glad that Microsoft can't see everything I'm typing in
my word processor. I do like /some/ degree of privacy!

Isn't MS supposed to be telling US where these behaviors are? Didn't
someone test this before releasing it? Why to users have to point out the
problems?

But I guess if there is no regard for the amount of lost productivity caused
by someone in MS not having anything better to do than completely change the
UI, there certainly is no interest in telling customers how the new UI
actually works (when it does).


Well, I loathe the new UI with a vengeance, especially the way common hot
key sequences are really long (altEF replaced with altHFDF, and try
getting to custom document properties just using the keyboard!) whilst rare
actions have really short sequences (altPH for hyphenation settings and
altPJ to set the columns -- both things that I do once and for all in the
document template), and the way I keep having to switch between ribbon tabs
when on previous version I could have left all the relevant toolbars open for
the task I was performing (when I'm putting a series of figures drawn in a
different tool into a document, I hate the way the crop icon goes away when I
add a caption -- I reckon it pretty much doubles the distance the mouse has
to travel to do the job).

But for all that, when I had trouble with word count I came here and found
that the function I was used to was still available and still worked as it
should, so credit to Microsoft for leaving it in. And when I come here with
what is effectively a bug report, what on earth do you expect /any/
responsible company to do other than ask for the steps to repeat the
behaviour?
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*


  #14  
Old June 30th 08, 02:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
digitig
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Default Where is the word count tool?

"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:

Hi Digitig,

Thank you for the additional information. When you mention that it's working in two parts but not the third, can you explain how
you're creating or tracking separate 'parts'?


Just a simple Header 1 between the parts. I'm selecting the portion for
which I want the word count.

Is the document all just text?


There's an Excel 2007 chart in there, and a couple of tables, but not in the
part I wanted to count.

The 'Words:nn' choice on the status bar does gray out as you're typing and then 'catches up' during pauses, and this can sometimes
happen on first selection of partial document text as well, more so if you have all of the proofing selections turned on for
spelling/grammar/etc 'as you type'.


Well, I left it selected whilst I searched the net for the issue, found this
forum, read the discussion so far and posted the problem, and it still hadn't
caught up!
  #15  
Old June 30th 08, 03:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
digitig
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Default Where is the word count tool?



"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:

Hi Digitig,

On the keyboard shortcuts you mentioned, you may find that many of the old version ones still work g as do the new ones.


I know, but I get a warning that I'm using an obsolescent key sequence,
which I take to mean I'm going to have to stop sooner or later. And it is
only "some". I don't mind *too* much learning new keystrokes -- I had to do
that between Word 2000 and Word 2003, when, for instance, insert reference
changed from altIR ro altINR (now it's altSRF, of course -- at least
it's not longer).

Old ones that don't always work were often on the old File menu (now Office button menu)


And altINR, which was on the Insert menu and no longer works...

where properties moved to
Office Button=Prepare=Properties so (Alt, F, E, P) works to get you to the 'basic' properties, but the old (Alt, F, I) will
now take you to the 'Office Center' (Word 2007 Options) dialog


But you'll notice that I mentioned *custom* properties, which my employer
uses extensively in all document templates.

You can right click on the Crop tool icon to add-it to the Quick access toolbar,


Which is fine when I'm doing that task, but it's still there when I'm not.
My point was that I used to have different toolbars with the buttons I needed
for different tasks, and I would keep those toolbars on the screen whilst I
was performing the task. When I moved on to a new task, I would close that
toolbar and open the toolbar associated with the new task (often this would
just be a couple of the standard toolbars, rather than custom ones). I don't
seem to be able to do that any more, so Office is no longer task-oriented.

If you're handy with VBA (which
I'm not g, it can probably also be added to the right click menu for pictures as well.


I'm rusty...how is C# integration?

There are a number of different spreadsheets, by example tools and add-ins available that you may find helpful.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx
http://officelabs.com/projects/searc...s/default.aspx


I'll have a look, thanks.

Some folks prefer to work with a minimzed ribbon (ctrl+F1 or double click on a ribbon tab)


I don't think that will help -- I don't mind the presence of the ribbon, I
just mind the abscence of task-oriented tools (except when I'm writing a
simple letter, in which case the ribbon /is/ task oriented).

Regards,

Tim
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Old June 30th 08, 04:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
digitig
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Default Where is the word count tool?

Oh, and I forgot to mention my other big Office 2007 -- I can't get help to
work. Whenever I ask for help I don't get a help page, instead a pile of XML
opens in my XML editor (oXygen).

All the stuff I can find on the web about help problems with Office 2007
relate to Vista systems with Macromedia installed, but I'm running XP Pro and
don't have Macromedia.

So when I can't find a feature I expect in Office 2007, I'm working blind.
  #17  
Old June 30th 08, 04:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Bob Buckland ?:-\)
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Hi Tim,

You're right that in the UI you can't turn off and on toolbars, but you can 'cheat' a bit with the Quick Access Toolbar (and of
course you can customize the ribbon using XML).

The Quick Access toolbar holds its 'always visible' information in a standalone file. For Word that's Word.xml, but you can also
have content stored in templates and/or documents that come and go as you either open them or attach them.

So, for graphics work you can create a template (or a document) named, say, pictures.dotm and then put the crop tool on the QAT for
that template. When you need the picture tools you can use Alt, T, I and attach the template or document, When you no longer need
those tools, uncheck the attachment in the same dialog (I imagine you could also create macros that did this for you and have them
either on the permanent QAT or with keyboard shortcuts for them stored in your Normal.dotm template). This tends to work better if
you have only a few entries in the 'always on' part of the QAT or a really wide monitor screen

You may want to take a look at the http://toolbartoggle.com add-in. It supports a floating toolbar (actually task pane) for some
features.

I'm not sure what warning you're getting regarding old keystrokes (I'll probably remember once I've had coffee on this Monday
morning g).

The 'Custom properties' would be one tab in the older Word 2003 properties dialog? That's a dialog I mentioned in the previous
message that could be assigned a custom keyboard shortcut to be able to pop it up, although not to a specific tab in the dialog .

As you can access the object model from C# it would be possible to customize the right click context menus that way, but that would
be something one of the macro maven/programming folks who post here to address for you

==========
"digitig" wrote in message ...
On the keyboard shortcuts you mentioned, you may find that many of the old version ones still work g as do the new ones.


I know, but I get a warning that I'm using an obsolescent key sequence,
which I take to mean I'm going to have to stop sooner or later. And it is
only "some". I don't mind *too* much learning new keystrokes -- I had to do
that between Word 2000 and Word 2003, when, for instance, insert reference
changed from altIR ro altINR (now it's altSRF, of course -- at least
it's not longer).

Old ones that don't always work were often on the old File menu (now Office button menu)


And altINR, which was on the Insert menu and no longer works...

where properties moved to
Office Button=Prepare=Properties so (Alt, F, E, P) works to get you to the 'basic' properties, but the old (Alt, F, I) will
now take you to the 'Office Center' (Word 2007 Options) dialog


But you'll notice that I mentioned *custom* properties, which my employer
uses extensively in all document templates.

You can right click on the Crop tool icon to add-it to the Quick access toolbar,


Which is fine when I'm doing that task, but it's still there when I'm not.
My point was that I used to have different toolbars with the buttons I needed
for different tasks, and I would keep those toolbars on the screen whilst I
was performing the task. When I moved on to a new task, I would close that
toolbar and open the toolbar associated with the new task (often this would
just be a couple of the standard toolbars, rather than custom ones). I don't
seem to be able to do that any more, so Office is no longer task-oriented.

If you're handy with VBA (which
I'm not g, it can probably also be added to the right click menu for pictures as well.


I'm rusty...how is C# integration?

There are a number of different spreadsheets, by example tools and add-ins available that you may find helpful.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/tr...295841033.aspx
http://officelabs.com/projects/searc...s/default.aspx


I'll have a look, thanks.

Some folks prefer to work with a minimzed ribbon (ctrl+F1 or double click on a ribbon tab)


I don't think that will help -- I don't mind the presence of the ribbon, I
just mind the abscence of task-oriented tools (except when I'm writing a
simple letter, in which case the ribbon /is/ task oriented).

Regards,

Tim
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*


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Old June 30th 08, 04:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
Bob Buckland ?:-\)
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Hi Tim,

Most of the Office help files are duplicated on
http://office.microsoft.com/help

In Windows Explorer you might want to check to see what file types are associated with the .HX_ series of file types. I don't
recall if running Office diagnostics from
Office Button=Word Options=Resources
resets those for the CLView.exe help viewer

===========
"digitig" wrote in message ...
Oh, and I forgot to mention my other big Office 2007 -- I can't get help to
work. Whenever I ask for help I don't get a help page, instead a pile of XML
opens in my XML editor (oXygen).

All the stuff I can find on the web about help problems with Office 2007
relate to Vista systems with Macromedia installed, but I'm running XP Pro and
don't have Macromedia.

So when I can't find a feature I expect in Office 2007, I'm working blind.
--

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*


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Old June 30th 08, 06:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
digitig
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"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:

Hi Tim,

Most of the Office help files are duplicated on
http://office.microsoft.com/help


Maybe. But much of my time at work I don't have an internet connection
(customer premises in environments where I can't use a mobile telephone).

In Windows Explorer you might want to check to see what file types are associated with the .HX_ series of file types.


Apparently nothing. They say "Opens with:" but the following text shows that
Windows knows about what the files are. I've compared with a working
intallation and they look the same.

I don't
recall if running Office diagnostics from
Office Button=Word Options=Resources
resets those for the CLView.exe help viewer


Apparently not. I should probably try a re-install.
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Old June 30th 08, 06:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
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"Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote:


You may want to take a look at the http://toolbartoggle.com add-in. It supports a floating toolbar (actually task pane) for some
features.


That looks promising, thanks.

I'm not sure what warning you're getting regarding old keystrokes (I'll probably remember once I've had coffee on this Monday
morning g).


"Warning" is possibly too strong, but a popup tells me that it's an Office
2003 access key.

The 'Custom properties' would be one tab in the older Word 2003 properties dialog? That's a dialog I mentioned in the previous
message that could be assigned a custom keyboard shortcut to be able to pop it up, although not to a specific tab in the dialog .


The one I now get at with altFEP[click "Document Properties"][Click
"Advanced Properties][Click "Custom"]

As you can access the object model from C# it would be possible to customize the right click context menus that way, but that would
be something one of the macro maven/programming folks who post here to address for you


When I get a chance (looks like September, but may slip) I'll have a look at
that. I never liked VBA -- I always felt I was working against it rather than
with it -- but I really like C#.
 




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