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a fraction bug in Equation Editor in Word2007?
When I typed "a\sqrt(b/a)+b\sqrt(a/b) if ab=9"
the height of the first radical became bigger than the second one. This is a typical example. I am having a quite a few similar problems in fractions. Any thoughts??? Thanks in advance. |
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a fraction bug in Equation Editor in Word2007?
Hi Lee,
The way it appears that you've constructed the equation you're computing one square root within the original one so that the first square root 'symbol' is larger to attempt to show it's encompassing the full equation. In fact the first sqrt symbol changes sizing from the time you first type it and then as you proceed through the equation. The effect only appears if you have chosen 'Professional' display rather than 'Linear' for the equation. If in the Equation Tools ribbon you click on the launcher (square box) on the bottom of the 'Tools' group and then choose the option 'Reduce size of nested fractions in display equations' does that give you more of what you were expecting? ============ Lee wrote in message ... When I typed "a\sqrt(b/a)+b\sqrt(a/b) if ab=9" the height of the first radical became bigger than the second one. This is a typical example. I am having a quite a few similar problems in fractions. Any thoughts??? Thanks in advance. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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a fraction bug in Equation Editor in Word2007?
Bob, I can reproduce Lee's problem, and it isn't because one square root is
inside the other (that is, it isn't inside). The difference in size appears to be caused by the fact that (b/a) contains a letter with an ascender in the numerator of the fraction, while (a/b) doesn't. If you change the expression to "a\sqrt(b/a)+b\sqrt(d/b)" then both radicals become the same size. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:34:23 -0800, "Bob Buckland ?:-\)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote: Hi Lee, The way it appears that you've constructed the equation you're computing one square root within the original one so that the first square root 'symbol' is larger to attempt to show it's encompassing the full equation. In fact the first sqrt symbol changes sizing from the time you first type it and then as you proceed through the equation. The effect only appears if you have chosen 'Professional' display rather than 'Linear' for the equation. If in the Equation Tools ribbon you click on the launcher (square box) on the bottom of the 'Tools' group and then choose the option 'Reduce size of nested fractions in display equations' does that give you more of what you were expecting? ============ Lee wrote in message ... When I typed "a\sqrt(b/a)+b\sqrt(a/b) if ab=9" the height of the first radical became bigger than the second one. This is a typical example. I am having a quite a few similar problems in fractions. Any thoughts??? Thanks in advance. |
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a fraction bug in Equation Editor in Word2007?
Hi Bob,
Thank you for your post to help me out. Actually, the sample equation I provided was not a nested fraction. It is like a*sqrt( b/a) + b* sqrt(a/b) ... I've tried both manual-typing "\sqrt" and toolbar menus within "Design" sub-menus, but the result is same. Unfortunately, I can't upload the image for the screenshot. My best description should be "the 1st square-root sign is taller than the 2nd one." I've tried "Reduce ..." option you suggested and it has the same effect. The funny thing is, once the above equation is in "Professional" display, in the 2nd square-root if I change the numerator "a" to "b", then the both height of the square-root signs becomes same, and if I change back to "a", then the height reduces. "Bob Buckland ?:-)" wrote: Hi Lee, The way it appears that you've constructed the equation you're computing one square root within the original one so that the first square root 'symbol' is larger to attempt to show it's encompassing the full equation. In fact the first sqrt symbol changes sizing from the time you first type it and then as you proceed through the equation. The effect only appears if you have chosen 'Professional' display rather than 'Linear' for the equation. If in the Equation Tools ribbon you click on the launcher (square box) on the bottom of the 'Tools' group and then choose the option 'Reduce size of nested fractions in display equations' does that give you more of what you were expecting? ============ Lee wrote in message ... When I typed "a\sqrt(b/a)+b\sqrt(a/b) if ab=9" the height of the first radical became bigger than the second one. This is a typical example. I am having a quite a few similar problems in fractions. Any thoughts??? Thanks in advance. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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a fraction bug in Equation Editor in Word2007?
FWIW, the same thing seems to happen if you make use of an Equation object.
:-( -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Jay Freedman" wrote in message ... Bob, I can reproduce Lee's problem, and it isn't because one square root is inside the other (that is, it isn't inside). The difference in size appears to be caused by the fact that (b/a) contains a letter with an ascender in the numerator of the fraction, while (a/b) doesn't. If you change the expression to "a\sqrt(b/a)+b\sqrt(d/b)" then both radicals become the same size. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:34:23 -0800, "Bob Buckland ?:-\)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote: Hi Lee, The way it appears that you've constructed the equation you're computing one square root within the original one so that the first square root 'symbol' is larger to attempt to show it's encompassing the full equation. In fact the first sqrt symbol changes sizing from the time you first type it and then as you proceed through the equation. The effect only appears if you have chosen 'Professional' display rather than 'Linear' for the equation. If in the Equation Tools ribbon you click on the launcher (square box) on the bottom of the 'Tools' group and then choose the option 'Reduce size of nested fractions in display equations' does that give you more of what you were expecting? ============ Lee wrote in message ... When I typed "a\sqrt(b/a)+b\sqrt(a/b) if ab=9" the height of the first radical became bigger than the second one. This is a typical example. I am having a quite a few similar problems in fractions. Any thoughts??? Thanks in advance. |
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a fraction bug in Equation Editor in Word2007?
Lee wrote...
When I typed "a\sqrt(b/a)+b\sqrt(a/b) if ab=9" the height of the first radical became bigger than the second one. This is a typical example. I am having a quite a few similar problems in fractions. and Stefan Blom responded: FWIW, the same thing seems to happen if you make use of an Equation object. :-( I don't follow that. You mean Insert Object Microsoft Equation 3.0? I just tried it in both Equation Editor and MathType, and it looked "normal" in both cases (meaning that the height of the radical symbol was the same for both radicals). -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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a fraction bug in Equation Editor in Word2007?
Sorry for not being clear. The test (which was actually the opposite of the
one that Jay was talking about in his post) was performed in Word 2007 with the old Equation Editor. What I found was this: If the denominator in a fraction inside a square root has a letter with a descender, such as p, the old Equation Editor will make the square root bigger, thus making two square roots different in size. For example, this happens with an expression such as sqrt(a/p) + sqrt(a/b). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Bob Mathews" wrote in message ... Lee wrote... When I typed "a\sqrt(b/a)+b\sqrt(a/b) if ab=9" the height of the first radical became bigger than the second one. This is a typical example. I am having a quite a few similar problems in fractions. and Stefan Blom responded: FWIW, the same thing seems to happen if you make use of an Equation object. :-( I don't follow that. You mean Insert Object Microsoft Equation 3.0? I just tried it in both Equation Editor and MathType, and it looked "normal" in both cases (meaning that the height of the radical symbol was the same for both radicals). -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide |
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a fraction bug in Equation Editor in Word2007?
Stefan, thanks for the clarification, and you're right. In the
situation you describe, the radical symbol does indeed extend farther if the denominator has a descender than it does if the denominator does not have a descender. Same is true with MathType. Same is true with LaTeX. Same is true with Word 2007's OMML Equation Editor (aka "the new one"). In fact, it needs to. The expression would look pretty goofy otherwise. Here's a document showing examples of all the situations we've discussed in this thread. I've added dotted horizontal lines to make it easy to compare the height of the radicals with other radicals in the same expression... In DOCX format: http://afwings.net/radical-with-descender.docx In PDF format (same document): http://afwings.net/radical-with-descender.pdf I think there's room for improvement in each of the examples. Notice that even in the LaTeX example, the last radical (the one multiplied by "d") extends too far above the numerator. -- Bob Mathews Director of Training Design Science, Inc. bobm at dessci.com http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide On 5-Mar-2008, "Stefan Blom" wrote: Sorry for not being clear. The test (which was actually the opposite of the one that Jay was talking about in his post) was performed in Word 2007 with the old Equation Editor. What I found was this: If the denominator in a fraction inside a square root has a letter with a descender, such as p, the old Equation Editor will make the square root bigger, thus making two square roots different in size. For example, this happens with an expression such as sqrt(a/p) + sqrt(a/b). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP |
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