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Widow and orphan control not working
Hello,
I have the box checked for widow and orphan control but it is not working. Several secretaries and paralegals have tried it and they can't get it to work either. I appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. -- Greg |
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Widow and orphan control not working
Can you please further define "not working"?
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "gregc" wrote in message news Hello, I have the box checked for widow and orphan control but it is not working. Several secretaries and paralegals have tried it and they can't get it to work either. I appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. -- Greg |
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Widow and orphan control not working
We have documents that have the last line of a paragraph appearing on a
succeeding page. This is followed a blank line and then the next paragraph. Thanks again for the help. -- Greg "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Can you please further define "not working"? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "gregc" wrote in message news Hello, I have the box checked for widow and orphan control but it is not working. Several secretaries and paralegals have tried it and they can't get it to work either. I appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. -- Greg |
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Widow and orphan control not working
Was the "blank line" created by pressing Enter twice? If so, "Keep with
next" applies to the blank line, which is in fact a blank paragraph. You can apply "Keep with next" to both of the two paragraphs, but a better solution is to stop pressing Enter twice and instead add some Spacing Before to the relevant paragraph (style). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "gregc" wrote in message ... We have documents that have the last line of a paragraph appearing on a succeeding page. This is followed a blank line and then the next paragraph. Thanks again for the help. -- Greg "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Can you please further define "not working"? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "gregc" wrote in message news Hello, I have the box checked for widow and orphan control but it is not working. Several secretaries and paralegals have tried it and they can't get it to work either. I appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. -- Greg |
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Widow and orphan control not working
But the issue here is widow/orphan control, which should not strand a single
line of a paragraph at the top or bottom of a page. Where I have seen this happen is where Word is wrapping text around a text box/frame used to create an artificially wide left margin on page 1 (and this might affect text wrapped around any object); Word seems to have difficulty calculating the line breaks in this instance and perhaps doesn't realize that what would require two lines on the first page (because of the wrapped object) will fit on a single line on the following page. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Was the "blank line" created by pressing Enter twice? If so, "Keep with next" applies to the blank line, which is in fact a blank paragraph. You can apply "Keep with next" to both of the two paragraphs, but a better solution is to stop pressing Enter twice and instead add some Spacing Before to the relevant paragraph (style). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "gregc" wrote in message ... We have documents that have the last line of a paragraph appearing on a succeeding page. This is followed a blank line and then the next paragraph. Thanks again for the help. -- Greg "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Can you please further define "not working"? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "gregc" wrote in message news Hello, I have the box checked for widow and orphan control but it is not working. Several secretaries and paralegals have tried it and they can't get it to work either. I appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. -- Greg |
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Widow and orphan control not working
Stefan, thank you fro the help.
Yes the "blank line" was created by pressing Enter twice and yes "Keep with next" is checked for the whole document. If I uncheck "Keep with next" the orphan exists on a page all by itself. I tried eliminating the blank line and adding Spacing Before but the paragraph but that created a double blank line before the paragraph. Unless I'm missing something, the widow and orphan control doesn't always work automatically. In those instances that it doesn't work, the widow or orphan can be manually eliminated but that, in this instance, created other widows and orphans on following pages of the document. The following widows and orphans then have to be manually eliminated. It gets a bit tedious, but it can be done manually. If there is an automatic way to eliminate all widows and orphans, I would like to know it. Thanks again for the help. -- Greg "Stefan Blom" wrote: Was the "blank line" created by pressing Enter twice? If so, "Keep with next" applies to the blank line, which is in fact a blank paragraph. You can apply "Keep with next" to both of the two paragraphs, but a better solution is to stop pressing Enter twice and instead add some Spacing Before to the relevant paragraph (style). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "gregc" wrote in message ... We have documents that have the last line of a paragraph appearing on a succeeding page. This is followed a blank line and then the next paragraph. Thanks again for the help. -- Greg "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Can you please further define "not working"? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "gregc" wrote in message news Hello, I have the box checked for widow and orphan control but it is not working. Several secretaries and paralegals have tried it and they can't get it to work either. I appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. -- Greg |
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Widow and orphan control not working
When the entire document is formatted as "Keep with next," then the snake
keeps chasing its tail throughout and Word has to insert page breaks arbitrarily. When you remove this formatting from a single paragraph, then of course all the text that is still chasing itself moves to the next page (and Word heaves a sigh of relief). I suspect that what you are doing is creating an outline using heading styles. There's nothing wrong with this except that all heading styles are formatted as "Keep with next." Remove this formatting for Heading 3 and above, say, and your document will be much better behaved. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "gregc" wrote in message ... Stefan, thank you fro the help. Yes the "blank line" was created by pressing Enter twice and yes "Keep with next" is checked for the whole document. If I uncheck "Keep with next" the orphan exists on a page all by itself. I tried eliminating the blank line and adding Spacing Before but the paragraph but that created a double blank line before the paragraph. Unless I'm missing something, the widow and orphan control doesn't always work automatically. In those instances that it doesn't work, the widow or orphan can be manually eliminated but that, in this instance, created other widows and orphans on following pages of the document. The following widows and orphans then have to be manually eliminated. It gets a bit tedious, but it can be done manually. If there is an automatic way to eliminate all widows and orphans, I would like to know it. Thanks again for the help. -- Greg "Stefan Blom" wrote: Was the "blank line" created by pressing Enter twice? If so, "Keep with next" applies to the blank line, which is in fact a blank paragraph. You can apply "Keep with next" to both of the two paragraphs, but a better solution is to stop pressing Enter twice and instead add some Spacing Before to the relevant paragraph (style). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "gregc" wrote in message ... We have documents that have the last line of a paragraph appearing on a succeeding page. This is followed a blank line and then the next paragraph. Thanks again for the help. -- Greg "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Can you please further define "not working"? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "gregc" wrote in message news Hello, I have the box checked for widow and orphan control but it is not working. Several secretaries and paralegals have tried it and they can't get it to work either. I appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. -- Greg |
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Widow and orphan control not working
From the OP's description, it certainly seems as if he is using "Keep with
next" rather than "Widow/Orphan control." -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... But the issue here is widow/orphan control, which should not strand a single line of a paragraph at the top or bottom of a page. Where I have seen this happen is where Word is wrapping text around a text box/frame used to create an artificially wide left margin on page 1 (and this might affect text wrapped around any object); Word seems to have difficulty calculating the line breaks in this instance and perhaps doesn't realize that what would require two lines on the first page (because of the wrapped object) will fit on a single line on the following page. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Was the "blank line" created by pressing Enter twice? If so, "Keep with next" applies to the blank line, which is in fact a blank paragraph. You can apply "Keep with next" to both of the two paragraphs, but a better solution is to stop pressing Enter twice and instead add some Spacing Before to the relevant paragraph (style). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "gregc" wrote in message ... We have documents that have the last line of a paragraph appearing on a succeeding page. This is followed a blank line and then the next paragraph. Thanks again for the help. -- Greg "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Can you please further define "not working"? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "gregc" wrote in message news Hello, I have the box checked for widow and orphan control but it is not working. Several secretaries and paralegals have tried it and they can't get it to work either. I appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. -- Greg |
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Widow and orphan control not working
Well, widow/orphan control is enabled by default in all Word styles, but my
guess is that the problem is, as you surmised, KWN, which I gather he had enabled for all paragraphs as well, but he didn't actually state that in the OP, I think, and the issue of a blank line only came out in a subsequent post as well. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... From the OP's description, it certainly seems as if he is using "Keep with next" rather than "Widow/Orphan control." -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... But the issue here is widow/orphan control, which should not strand a single line of a paragraph at the top or bottom of a page. Where I have seen this happen is where Word is wrapping text around a text box/frame used to create an artificially wide left margin on page 1 (and this might affect text wrapped around any object); Word seems to have difficulty calculating the line breaks in this instance and perhaps doesn't realize that what would require two lines on the first page (because of the wrapped object) will fit on a single line on the following page. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Was the "blank line" created by pressing Enter twice? If so, "Keep with next" applies to the blank line, which is in fact a blank paragraph. You can apply "Keep with next" to both of the two paragraphs, but a better solution is to stop pressing Enter twice and instead add some Spacing Before to the relevant paragraph (style). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "gregc" wrote in message ... We have documents that have the last line of a paragraph appearing on a succeeding page. This is followed a blank line and then the next paragraph. Thanks again for the help. -- Greg "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Can you please further define "not working"? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "gregc" wrote in message news Hello, I have the box checked for widow and orphan control but it is not working. Several secretaries and paralegals have tried it and they can't get it to work either. I appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. -- Greg |
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