legal documents often contain vertical stripes down each side of mthe page --
hwo does one add such to a legal template?

You draw graphic lines, formatted to be behind text, in the header or
footer. If you have different first-page headers/footers, you need to put
them in both the first page header or footer and the continuation page
header or footer.

I have these in a separate document. My pleading templates automatically
copy them from that document and put them where they belong in new documents
based on the template.
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"w_e_coyote" wrote in message
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legal documents often contain vertical stripes down each side of mthe
page --
hwo does one add such to a legal template?

On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:03:53 -0500, "Charles Kenyon"
wrote:

You draw graphic lines, formatted to be behind text, in the header or
footer. If you have different first-page headers/footers, you need to put
them in both the first page header or footer and the continuation page
header or footer.

I have these in a separate document. My pleading templates automatically
copy them from that document and put them where they belong in new documents
based on the template.

Hi Charles,

Is there a reason not to use page borders? In the Format Borders &
Shading Page Borders dialog, choose the line width and color, then
click the left and right edges of the preview to turn on only the
vertical borders.

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Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org

They'll need to be "From text" rather than "From edge of page," of course.

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Words into Type
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"Jay Freedman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:03:53 -0500, "Charles Kenyon"
wrote:

You draw graphic lines, formatted to be behind text, in the header or
footer. If you have different first-page headers/footers, you need to put
them in both the first page header or footer and the continuation page
header or footer.

I have these in a separate document. My pleading templates automatically
copy them from that document and put them where they belong in new
documents
based on the template.

Hi Charles,

Is there a reason not to use page borders? In the Format Borders &
Shading Page Borders dialog, choose the line width and color, then
click the left and right edges of the preview to turn on only the
vertical borders.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org

Is there a reason I don't use page borders?

(1) The lines delineate the left and right margins. These are not
symetrical; there is a wider left margin than right margin.
(2) I include text information such as my name, address, and phone number
outside the lines. I suppose I could add these in a header/footer instead.
(3) for many users, there is also line numbering outside the lines - i.e. in
the margin, same as above.

My main reason for doing it this way is that (I think) I learned the method
from the pleading wizard at some time in the distant past. That isn't a good
reason for doing anything, since I don't like the pleadings it produces. I
just checked and I can use page borders, set, as Suzanne suggested, at a
given distance from the text. I can put a frame with my text and a graphic
in the margin in the header that is outside the border. I am sure I could
put the page numbers there as well. Eventually I may switch over, especially
if it produces smaller documents.
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome!
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"Jay Freedman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:03:53 -0500, "Charles Kenyon"
wrote:

You draw graphic lines, formatted to be behind text, in the header or
footer. If you have different first-page headers/footers, you need to put
them in both the first page header or footer and the continuation page
header or footer.

I have these in a separate document. My pleading templates automatically
copy them from that document and put them where they belong in new
documents
based on the template.

Hi Charles,

Is there a reason not to use page borders? In the Format Borders &
Shading Page Borders dialog, choose the line width and color, then
click the left and right edges of the preview to turn on only the
vertical borders.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org

On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:06:42 -0500, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote:

They'll need to be "From text" rather than "From edge of page," of course.

Ah yes, I keep forgetting that I'm blessed with seemingly the only
printer in the known universe that doesn't care how close to the edges
I go. :-)

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org

The following macro comes close to what I want for the borders. May be of
use to others.

Sub Macro3()
'
' Macro3 Macro
' Macro written 5/3/2005 by Charles Kyle Kenyon
' Inserts page borders and sets margins for pleadings.
With Selection.Sections(1)
With .Borders(wdBorderLeft)
.LineStyle = wdLineStyleDouble
.LineWidth = wdLineWidth050pt
.Color = wdColorAutomatic
End With
With .Borders(wdBorderRight)
.LineStyle = wdLineStyleSingle
.LineWidth = wdLineWidth050pt
.Color = wdColorAutomatic
End With
.Borders(wdBorderTop).LineStyle = wdLineStyleNone
.Borders(wdBorderBottom).LineStyle = wdLineStyleNone
With .Borders
.DistanceFrom = wdBorderDistanceFromText
.AlwaysInFront = True
.SurroundHeader = False
.SurroundFooter = False
.JoinBorders = False
.DistanceFromTop = 24
.DistanceFromLeft = 4
.DistanceFromBottom = 24
.DistanceFromRight = 4
.Shadow = False
.EnableFirstPageInSection = True
.EnableOtherPagesInSection = True
.ApplyPageBordersToAllSections
End With
End With
With ActiveDocument.PageSetup
.TopMargin = InchesToPoints(1)
.BottomMargin = InchesToPoints(1)
.LeftMargin = InchesToPoints(1.5)
.RightMargin = InchesToPoints(0.8)
End With
End Sub
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Charles Kenyon

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"Jay Freedman" wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:03:53 -0500, "Charles Kenyon"
wrote:

You draw graphic lines, formatted to be behind text, in the header or
footer. If you have different first-page headers/footers, you need to put
them in both the first page header or footer and the continuation page
header or footer.

I have these in a separate document. My pleading templates automatically
copy them from that document and put them where they belong in new
documents
based on the template.

Hi Charles,

Is there a reason not to use page borders? In the Format Borders &
Shading Page Borders dialog, choose the line width and color, then
click the left and right edges of the preview to turn on only the
vertical borders.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org

No, that's not the issue. The issue is that the lines need to be very near
the margins. Have a look at the results of Word's Pleading Wizard to see
what we're talking about.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Jay Freedman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:06:42 -0500, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote:

They'll need to be "From text" rather than "From edge of page," of
course.

Ah yes, I keep forgetting that I'm blessed with seemingly the only
printer in the known universe that doesn't care how close to the edges
I go. :-)

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org

On Tue, 3 May 2005 17:46:25 -0500, "Charles Kenyon"
wrote:

Is there a reason I don't use page borders?

(1) The lines delineate the left and right margins. These are not
symetrical; there is a wider left margin than right margin.
(2) I include text information such as my name, address, and phone number
outside the lines. I suppose I could add these in a header/footer instead.
(3) for many users, there is also line numbering outside the lines - i.e. in
the margin, same as above.

My main reason for doing it this way is that (I think) I learned the method
from the pleading wizard at some time in the distant past. That isn't a good
reason for doing anything, since I don't like the pleadings it produces. I
just checked and I can use page borders, set, as Suzanne suggested, at a
given distance from the text. I can put a frame with my text and a graphic
in the margin in the header that is outside the border. I am sure I could
put the page numbers there as well. Eventually I may switch over, especially
if it produces smaller documents.

Hi Charles,

Thanks for the explanation -- clearly there are more factors to
consider than I thought.

I've tried out the macro you posted. The result certainly looks good
to this untrained eye. I also added line numbers, and they sit in the
margin outside the border. If you're satisfied, so am I. :-)

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org

[MoJR]

Charles,
I just found this reply to adding pleading formattig to a document.
I have the opposite problem. I have a document that has 7 pages in it. Pages
3-6 have the pleading format. When I try to add page 7 without the pleading
format, I get a series of bizaare results. The pleading formatting is
contained in the Header and Footer. So far, I have tried using a Section
Break/Next Page after the last line of page 6, disconncted the header of page
7 from the header of 6 as well as a few other things I've read. The best I've
come up with is removing the formatting elements successfully BUT, when I try
to reset the page margins for page 7, the pleading format from page 6 scoots
over to the margin settings for page 7.
I would like to fix this problem as it exists now, if possible. Maybe the
easiest thing would be to use the macro listed on this reply. However, I'm
not sure about how to use it to best advantage.
Any suggestions?
Thank You, MoJR
"Charles Kenyon" wrote:

The following macro comes close to what I want for the borders. May be of
use to others.

Sub Macro3()
'
' Macro3 Macro
' Macro written 5/3/2005 by Charles Kyle Kenyon
' Inserts page borders and sets margins for pleadings.
With Selection.Sections(1)
With .Borders(wdBorderLeft)
.LineStyle = wdLineStyleDouble
.LineWidth = wdLineWidth050pt
.Color = wdColorAutomatic
End With
With .Borders(wdBorderRight)
.LineStyle = wdLineStyleSingle
.LineWidth = wdLineWidth050pt
.Color = wdColorAutomatic
End With
.Borders(wdBorderTop).LineStyle = wdLineStyleNone
.Borders(wdBorderBottom).LineStyle = wdLineStyleNone
With .Borders
.DistanceFrom = wdBorderDistanceFromText
.AlwaysInFront = True
.SurroundHeader = False
.SurroundFooter = False
.JoinBorders = False
.DistanceFromTop = 24
.DistanceFromLeft = 4
.DistanceFromBottom = 24
.DistanceFromRight = 4
.Shadow = False
.EnableFirstPageInSection = True
.EnableOtherPagesInSection = True
.ApplyPageBordersToAllSections
End With
End With
With ActiveDocument.PageSetup
.TopMargin = InchesToPoints(1)
.BottomMargin = InchesToPoints(1)
.LeftMargin = InchesToPoints(1.5)
.RightMargin = InchesToPoints(0.8)
End With
End Sub
--
Charles Kenyon

Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word

Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide

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"Jay Freedman" wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:03:53 -0500, "Charles Kenyon"
wrote:

You draw graphic lines, formatted to be behind text, in the header or
footer. If you have different first-page headers/footers, you need to put
them in both the first page header or footer and the continuation page
header or footer.

I have these in a separate document. My pleading templates automatically
copy them from that document and put them where they belong in new
documents
based on the template.

Hi Charles,

Is there a reason not to use page borders? In the Format Borders &
Shading Page Borders dialog, choose the line width and color, then
click the left and right edges of the preview to turn on only the
vertical borders.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org

[Robert M. Franz (RMF)]

MoJR wrote:
The best I've
come up with is removing the formatting elements successfully BUT, when I try
to reset the page margins for page 7, the pleading format from page 6 scoots
over to the margin settings for page 7.

Are you sure that "this section" is selected in File | Page Setup while
you try to change the margins?

HTH
Robert
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[MoJR]

Yes sir.

"Robert M. Franz (RMF)" wrote:

MoJR wrote:
The best I've
come up with is removing the formatting elements successfully BUT, when I try
to reset the page margins for page 7, the pleading format from page 6 scoots
over to the margin settings for page 7.

Are you sure that "this section" is selected in File | Page Setup while
you try to change the margins?

HTH
Robert
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