the redaction process ought to leave no clue as to the origainal text length
but ought to indicate missing text by inserting the text "[REDACTED]".

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What are you talking about?

If you're talking about tracking, it's exceedingly useful and important to
know exactly what was deleted so that a reviewer can assess the impact and
validity of the deletion.

If you're talking about something else, then perhaps you could be a bit more
specific so that others can know exactly what feature (and in what context)
you're talking about.

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the redaction process ought to leave no clue as to the origainal text
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What I am talking about is security, not really what the document looks like
or tracking which ough to be contained in gerneration data groups/versions of
the document.

Why are documents redacted - to remove evidence for publication whilst
retaining the original. The published document can be beutified without the
redacted text. To assist reader understand that content has been removed I
recommend the optional insertion of an indicator such as the text [REDACTED].

As to purpose, I refer you to the National Security Agency document ATTN:I333:
"Redacting with Confidence: How to Safely Publish Sanetized Reports
Converted From Word to PDF".
URL: http://www.nsa.gov/snac/vtechrep/I333-TR-015R-2005.PDF

I apologise for anjy misunderstanding.
"Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote:

What are you talking about?

If you're talking about tracking, it's exceedingly useful and important to
know exactly what was deleted so that a reviewer can assess the impact and
validity of the deletion.

If you're talking about something else, then perhaps you could be a bit more
specific so that others can know exactly what feature (and in what context)
you're talking about.

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No, he's talking about the redaction performed by Microsoft's Redaction
Add-in (for Word 2003 only). See
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

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"Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote in message
...
What are you talking about?

If you're talking about tracking, it's exceedingly useful and important to
know exactly what was deleted so that a reviewer can assess the impact and
validity of the deletion.

If you're talking about something else, then perhaps you could be a bit
more
specific so that others can know exactly what feature (and in what
context)
you're talking about.

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"TerenceF" wrote in message
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the redaction process ought to leave no clue as to the origainal text
length
but ought to indicate missing text by inserting the text "[REDACTED]".

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Suzanne, Tony and Herb I rejoice that you are content with the product that
MS alleges is redaction.

It does not conform to NSA's 'Sanitized' view of redaction. I expect the
'redacted' data in the MS Add-in is accessible through value searches and
indexing thus not removed from the document and still avaialble to a keen
enquirer.

Although there is an add-in to 'remove hidden data'
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
there is no contiguous product build.

Is MS going to respond to the NSA model of 'redaction'?

Terence Freedman
The National Archives
London, England

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

No, he's talking about the redaction performed by Microsoft's Redaction
Add-in (for Word 2003 only). See

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
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"Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote in message
...
What are you talking about?

If you're talking about tracking, it's exceedingly useful and important to
know exactly what was deleted so that a reviewer can assess the impact and
validity of the deletion.

If you're talking about something else, then perhaps you could be a bit
more
specific so that others can know exactly what feature (and in what
context)
you're talking about.

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the redaction process ought to leave no clue as to the origainal text
length
but ought to indicate missing text by inserting the text "[REDACTED]".

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Terence, I personally doubt that Microsoft will do anything more with
redaction than it has already done -- but as none of the people
replying in this newsgroup are Microsoft employees, we don't speak for
the company. In any case, I don't believe Suzanne's reply is an
expression of contentment or any other opinion of the current product.

You have done the right thing by posting your suggestion, and
Microsoft has pledged to read and consider posted suggestions. Until a
company representative replies one way or the other, none of us knows
what will become of the suggestion.

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On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 04:56:27 -0800, "TerenceF"
wrote:

Suzanne, Tony and Herb I rejoice that you are content with the product that
MS alleges is redaction.

It does not conform to NSA's 'Sanitized' view of redaction. I expect the
'redacted' data in the MS Add-in is accessible through value searches and
indexing thus not removed from the document and still avaialble to a keen
enquirer.

Although there is an add-in to 'remove hidden data'
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
there is no contiguous product build.

Is MS going to respond to the NSA model of 'redaction'?

Terence Freedman
The National Archives
London, England

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

No, he's talking about the redaction performed by Microsoft's Redaction
Add-in (for Word 2003 only). See

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
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Words into Type
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"Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote in message
...
What are you talking about?

If you're talking about tracking, it's exceedingly useful and important to
know exactly what was deleted so that a reviewer can assess the impact and
validity of the deletion.

If you're talking about something else, then perhaps you could be a bit
more
specific so that others can know exactly what feature (and in what
context)
you're talking about.

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"TerenceF" wrote in message
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the redaction process ought to leave no clue as to the origainal text
length
but ought to indicate missing text by inserting the text "[REDACTED]".

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I don't think I said I was content. I have never used the tool and can't
express content or otherwise

I'm not sure in what way you think the MS AddIn fails to conform - it does
not make the decisions; it is merely an aid in removing what the user
decides to remove, and, as far as I can tell, it is your suggestion which
does not conform to the referenced document. I did say, and do think, that
you have a good point but that is a separate issue.

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Enjoy,
Tony


"TerenceF" wrote in message
...
Suzanne, Tony and Herb I rejoice that you are content with the product
that
MS alleges is redaction.

It does not conform to NSA's 'Sanitized' view of redaction. I expect the
'redacted' data in the MS Add-in is accessible through value searches and
indexing thus not removed from the document and still avaialble to a keen
enquirer.

Although there is an add-in to 'remove hidden data'

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...4ED-D43E-42CA-
BC7B-5446D34E5360&displaylang=en
there is no contiguous product build.

Is MS going to respond to the NSA model of 'redaction'?

Terence Freedman
The National Archives
London, England

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

No, he's talking about the redaction performed by Microsoft's Redaction
Add-in (for Word 2003 only). See


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...fd7-67c2-4b51-
8e87-65cc9f30f2ed&DisplayLang=en
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote in message
...
What are you talking about?

If you're talking about tracking, it's exceedingly useful and
important to
know exactly what was deleted so that a reviewer can assess the impact
and
validity of the deletion.

If you're talking about something else, then perhaps you could be a
bit
more
specific so that others can know exactly what feature (and in what
context)
you're talking about.

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
http://www.herbtyson.com
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"TerenceF" wrote in message
...
the redaction process ought to leave no clue as to the origainal
text
length
but ought to indicate missing text by inserting the text
"[REDACTED]".

Block black-out fails to remove the text length clue.

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Tony et al,

I overestimated the implications of the responses. I will wait for MS to
respond.

You may wish to review a discussion of Schneier on Security:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...sa_on_how.html.

Thank you for your feedback.

Terence Freedman

"Tony Jollans" wrote:

I don't think I said I was content. I have never used the tool and can't
express content or otherwise

I'm not sure in what way you think the MS AddIn fails to conform - it does
not make the decisions; it is merely an aid in removing what the user
decides to remove, and, as far as I can tell, it is your suggestion which
does not conform to the referenced document. I did say, and do think, that
you have a good point but that is a separate issue.

--
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Tony


"TerenceF" wrote in message
...
Suzanne, Tony and Herb I rejoice that you are content with the product
that
MS alleges is redaction.

It does not conform to NSA's 'Sanitized' view of redaction. I expect the
'redacted' data in the MS Add-in is accessible through value searches and
indexing thus not removed from the document and still avaialble to a keen
enquirer.

Although there is an add-in to 'remove hidden data'

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...4ED-D43E-42CA-
BC7B-5446D34E5360&displaylang=en
there is no contiguous product build.

Is MS going to respond to the NSA model of 'redaction'?

Terence Freedman
The National Archives
London, England

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

No, he's talking about the redaction performed by Microsoft's Redaction
Add-in (for Word 2003 only). See


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...fd7-67c2-4b51-
8e87-65cc9f30f2ed&DisplayLang=en
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote in message
...
What are you talking about?

If you're talking about tracking, it's exceedingly useful and
important to
know exactly what was deleted so that a reviewer can assess the impact
and
validity of the deletion.

If you're talking about something else, then perhaps you could be a
bit
more
specific so that others can know exactly what feature (and in what
context)
you're talking about.

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
http://www.herbtyson.com
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"TerenceF" wrote in message
...
the redaction process ought to leave no clue as to the origainal
text
length
but ought to indicate missing text by inserting the text
"[REDACTED]".

Block black-out fails to remove the text length clue.

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I was not expressing satisfaction. I have never used the add-in (and have no
need for it). I was merely pointing out to Herb what it was, since he seemed
to be ignorant of it.

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"TerenceF" wrote in message
...
Suzanne, Tony and Herb I rejoice that you are content with the product
that
MS alleges is redaction.

It does not conform to NSA's 'Sanitized' view of redaction. I expect the
'redacted' data in the MS Add-in is accessible through value searches and
indexing thus not removed from the document and still avaialble to a keen
enquirer.

Although there is an add-in to 'remove hidden data'

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
there is no contiguous product build.

Is MS going to respond to the NSA model of 'redaction'?

Terence Freedman
The National Archives
London, England

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

No, he's talking about the redaction performed by Microsoft's Redaction
Add-in (for Word 2003 only). See


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
--
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Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote in message
...
What are you talking about?

If you're talking about tracking, it's exceedingly useful and
important to
know exactly what was deleted so that a reviewer can assess the impact
and
validity of the deletion.

If you're talking about something else, then perhaps you could be a
bit
more
specific so that others can know exactly what feature (and in what
context)
you're talking about.

--
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"TerenceF" wrote in message
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the redaction process ought to leave no clue as to the origainal
text
length
but ought to indicate missing text by inserting the text
"[REDACTED]".

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I was indeed ignorant of the add-in. I mistakenly thought the gentleperson
was referring to the "track changes" feature. When deleting text in tracking
mode, I aggressively want to be able to see exactly what was deleted. As
TerenceF didn't mention any add-in, I had no idea that that's what he was
talking about, and assumed he must be talking about an actual built-in Word
feature.

If the goal is to replace sections of text with [REDACTED], I'm not at all
sure why any tool at all is needed. It'd be a fairly simple matter to format
text that requires redaction with a new style (e.g., name it Redacted Text),
then do a global find/replace where you match that style in the Find box,
and put [REDACTED] in the Replace box.

But, I'm fond of simple approaches that don't require add-ins, since most
add-ins I've used cause problems.

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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
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I was not expressing satisfaction. I have never used the add-in (and have
no
need for it). I was merely pointing out to Herb what it was, since he
seemed
to be ignorant of it.

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"TerenceF" wrote in message
...
Suzanne, Tony and Herb I rejoice that you are content with the product
that
MS alleges is redaction.

It does not conform to NSA's 'Sanitized' view of redaction. I expect
the
'redacted' data in the MS Add-in is accessible through value searches and
indexing thus not removed from the document and still avaialble to a keen
enquirer.

Although there is an add-in to 'remove hidden data'

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
there is no contiguous product build.

Is MS going to respond to the NSA model of 'redaction'?

Terence Freedman
The National Archives
London, England

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

No, he's talking about the redaction performed by Microsoft's Redaction
Add-in (for Word 2003 only). See


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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all may benefit.

"Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote in message
...
What are you talking about?

If you're talking about tracking, it's exceedingly useful and
important to
know exactly what was deleted so that a reviewer can assess the
impact
and
validity of the deletion.

If you're talking about something else, then perhaps you could be a
bit
more
specific so that others can know exactly what feature (and in what
context)
you're talking about.

--
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"TerenceF" wrote in message
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the redaction process ought to leave no clue as to the origainal
text
length
but ought to indicate missing text by inserting the text
"[REDACTED]".

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Whilst I accept you may have a point, the reason that redaction does it the
way it does is so that document structure is maintained.

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