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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Then by your implied logic, and by Microsoft's explicit logic, keyboard
shortcuts should be eliminated. Larry P.S. Indeed, not only do most users not work like me, the great majority of users do not even use the most basic keyboard commands, such as Ctrl+I for italic. The average typist in an office would rather use the mouse to click on the Italic button in the formatting bar. Further, with Word 2007, the formatting commands are only displayed if the "Home" tab of the Ribbon is displayed. So if our typist has just used some other tab of the Ribbon, she would first have to switch back to the "Home" tab in order to access the Italic command. Oh, what a brilliant, user-friendly, intuitive interface! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way you do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble to customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no desire to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in keyboard shortcuts at all. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. You know, Larry, just based on previous discussions I've had with you on topics of an even more simiplic nature I know there nothing I can say to you that will change your mind... |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Now you may reply that the average user will get around that little problem of a much needed common command not always being instantly accessible, by adding the command to the "Quick Access Toolbar." But given that the average user does not even care enough about going beyond the surface of Word to use Ctrl+I for Italic, let alone to do any customizing at all, then he or she is not going to add frequenly used commands to the Quick Access Toolbar. As a result, with Word 2007, it will take MORE steps for the average user to access commonly used commands (which used to be ALWAYS displayed on the now defunct Formatting and Standard toolbars), than it did previously. "Larry" wrote in message ... Then by your implied logic, and by Microsoft's explicit logic, keyboard shortcuts should be eliminated. Larry P.S. Indeed, not only do most users not work like me, the great majority of users do not even use the most basic keyboard commands, such as Ctrl+I for italic. The average typist in an office would rather use the mouse to click on the Italic button in the formatting bar. Further, with Word 2007, the formatting commands are only displayed if the "Home" tab of the Ribbon is displayed. So if our typist has just used some other tab of the Ribbon, she would first have to switch back to the "Home" tab in order to access the Italic command. Oh, what a brilliant, user-friendly, intuitive interface! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way you do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble to customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no desire to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in keyboard shortcuts at all. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. You know, Larry, just based on previous discussions I've had with you on topics of an even more simiplic nature I know there nothing I can say to you that will change your mind... |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
"Larry" wrote in message ... You don't necessarily need to go that far, you can use the Page Color and the font will automatically change to a white text, provided you are using theme colors, that is. When you say theme colors do you mean Windows theme or are there Word themes as well? A bit of both. If you want the font color to automatically switch when the Page Color is changed then use the Automatic color from the Windows theme. Word has three UI themes/color schemes, found in the Popular section of Word Options (you won't like these because they don't change the page background), and Office 2007 documents support Themes. Document Themes are found on the Page Layout tab. They provide Fonts, Color, and Effects to documents and are shared across the Office application. If you want to see how they work then create a new document using a template from Microsoft Office Online and then select another Theme. You'll see the three elements automatically update to those of the new theme in the document. (Except for Effects - Word only uses those for a few elements.) If you're looking for the blue background/white text look then if your font color uses the Automatic font color, on the Page Layout tab, select the Dark blue color and you'll see the switch to a dark background/white font. To switch them back just remove the Page Color. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Hi Larry,
I have very interested in how you have customized Word. Do you mind posting a screenshot or e-mailing a template? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Larry ] Posted At: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:53 AM Posted To: microsoft.public.word.newusers Conversation: Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface" Subject: Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface" Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. You know, Larry, just based on previous discussions I've had with you on topics of an even more simiplic nature I know there nothing I can say to you that will change your mind... |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
I'm glad you're laughing. :-)
I honestly wasn't joking about thinking of you. I know your ideal program would be one that once the installation is complete to walk you through your screen setup. Such as, provide an empty toolbar and a set of commands to pick from, walk through remapping the keyboard, and in the end, display a view similar to Full Screen view along with your single toolbar, all right out of the box. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... LOL. I'm laughing, but I'm miserable. :-) ... And still in a state of amazement and fury at what MS has done. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
No, Word has always provided a variety of ways to accomplish any given task,
to accommodate user preference insofar as possible, while still leaning to making the UI most accommodating for the majority of users. I'll also add that many users *do* adopt at least some keyboard shortcuts when they are introduced to them, but most casual Word users (and that includes a *lot* of users, since "everybody" has Word) don't have the same needs as power users. I also appreciate having both keyboard shortcuts and toolbar buttons because I work in two modes. When I am typing (entering or composing text), I use keyboard shortcuts as I go, but when I am editing and formatting, since I have the mouse in my hand already, it is usually more efficient to use buttons, although I do use some left-hand keyboard shortcuts. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Then by your implied logic, and by Microsoft's explicit logic, keyboard shortcuts should be eliminated. Larry P.S. Indeed, not only do most users not work like me, the great majority of users do not even use the most basic keyboard commands, such as Ctrl+I for italic. The average typist in an office would rather use the mouse to click on the Italic button in the formatting bar. Further, with Word 2007, the formatting commands are only displayed if the "Home" tab of the Ribbon is displayed. So if our typist has just used some other tab of the Ribbon, she would first have to switch back to the "Home" tab in order to access the Italic command. Oh, what a brilliant, user-friendly, intuitive interface! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way you do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble to customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no desire to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in keyboard shortcuts at all. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. You know, Larry, just based on previous discussions I've had with you on topics of an even more simiplic nature I know there nothing I can say to you that will change your mind... |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
(I'm not sure why I'm doing this - I resolved to leave this discussion
alone....lol) The average user doesn't use Ctrl+I for Italic, they click a button. The average user didn't discover the Customize dialog box and never knew they could customize their environment. The average user would get toolbars turned on didn't know how to turn them off. The average user didn't know how to move a toolbar. Now, as a trainer, I have the mindset of providing more focus on training which has been, and still is, my viewpoint. But there are other aspects for me to consider as well, such as those providing the training (there's some lousy trainers out there) and companies who don't believe in training, as unfortunate as that might be. The timesaving factors go a a little deeper than surface navigation. It's more in the vein of faster document creation. Such as inserting an entire page of content into a document that is perfectly formatted to the source document with a couple clicks and later swap the page with another, again with a few clicks of the mouse, without the need to delete the previously inserted page. (Remember, most users like to 'click' and they want to 'click' on visual objects, not work from memorization.) Consider this scenario for the average user. I have a document that needs to be faxed electronically. My fax cover has a specific structure, it needs to specific contain data used in the document, and it needs to match the formatting, such as the fonts, used in the document. In Word 2007, in a few clicks I can insert a report cover page (without navigating to the beginning of the document), that satisfies each of my requirements. Then later, I can remove the report cover, without the need to select and delete, or I can swap the cover with a Fax cover page, again, without the need to select and delete. Each cover page will also pick up my previously typed data. Yes, the above could still be accomplished in previous versions but it would also require VBA knowledge which means some type of developer would need to be involved. Now, the average user can accomplish these tasks without the need to invest in another party - even as a developer I find the new functionality faster. You can get an idea of what I'm referring to using these steps: - Click the Microsoft Office Button, and then click New - In the Office Online Templates section, select the Reports category. - Create a new document based on the Report (Median theme) template. - Type a document title in the Content Control provided on the first page. (You should see the placeholder text "Type the document title") - In the other Content Controls provided, type a subtitle, company name, and pick a date. (Each one will have placeholder text.) - Take a look at page 2 and note the Title has been updated in the Header and in the first heading, along with the subtitle. (Updated automatically without using a macro. Additionally, you can change the data in any Content Control.) - On the Insert tab, click Cover Page, and in the Reports section (these are included in the template), click Cover 4 to insert the cover page at the beginning of the document. - Note the Title, Subtitle, and Company, have been picked up from the previously typed data. - Select another cover page from the Report section, such as Fax Cover 2. This action replaces Cover 4 in the document, the Company name is automatically filled in, and additional Content Controls have been provided for data entry and data selection. (Note that these can be locked for entry only without protecting the document, deletion of the control can be prevented, and the controls and document can be spell checked.) - If you want different look for the document, on the Page Layout tab, select another Theme and the document will update to the new fonts and colors. - Note the Building Blocks in the galleries also update to the new document theme. (Granted, most are gaudy but you can create custom Themes that use a specific company standard.) Average users can create similar templates that function in the same maner without the need to turn to VBA and spend time getting the right sequence of commands. Some background on how this works. The Title, Subtitle, and Company fields are bound document property fields that also automatically update the file Properties. Content Controls are XML-based and support data binding so all of the data entered in the Fax page could potentially be bound to a data source. From a developer's viewpoint, these are some exciting advancements. From a user's viewpoint, in the end, creating documents takes less work and there's the added aspect of visual document creation and little need for memorization. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "Larry" wrote in message ... Now you may reply that the average user will get around that little problem of a much needed common command not always being instantly accessible, by adding the command to the "Quick Access Toolbar." But given that the average user does not even care enough about going beyond the surface of Word to use Ctrl+I for Italic, let alone to do any customizing at all, then he or she is not going to add frequenly used commands to the Quick Access Toolbar. As a result, with Word 2007, it will take MORE steps for the average user to access commonly used commands (which used to be ALWAYS displayed on the now defunct Formatting and Standard toolbars), than it did previously. "Larry" wrote in message ... Then by your implied logic, and by Microsoft's explicit logic, keyboard shortcuts should be eliminated. Larry P.S. Indeed, not only do most users not work like me, the great majority of users do not even use the most basic keyboard commands, such as Ctrl+I for italic. The average typist in an office would rather use the mouse to click on the Italic button in the formatting bar. Further, with Word 2007, the formatting commands are only displayed if the "Home" tab of the Ribbon is displayed. So if our typist has just used some other tab of the Ribbon, she would first have to switch back to the "Home" tab in order to access the Italic command. Oh, what a brilliant, user-friendly, intuitive interface! "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way you do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble to customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no desire to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in keyboard shortcuts at all. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. You know, Larry, just based on previous discussions I've had with you on topics of an even more simiplic nature I know there nothing I can say to you that will change your mind... |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Beth,
I'll try this out and follow your steps when I get back again to the computer with Word 2007. Larry |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Cicely, I don't seem to be able to paste a screen shot into a formatted news message, I don't know why. I could paste it into a Word document and e-mail to you as an attachment if you like. I can't send you my template, though I am working it into something to sell online, primarily for writers to provide a host of quicker and easier ways to do various writing, editing, and navigating tasks. Larry "Cicely Waldrop" wrote in message news:000001c77abe$a005d460$0a00a8c0@Gilead... Hi Larry, I have very interested in how you have customized Word. Do you mind posting a screenshot or e-mailing a template? Thanks |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
No, that wouldn't be my ideal because my personal set up is one that I evolved according to my needs and preferences. I don't think my preferences would apply to other people. That's what Word is (or was) supposed to be about--customizability. That's why we call our computers _personal_ computers. However, as Word comes out of the box, there are infinite annoying things about it that can only be solved by a person who (1) has a high Annoyance Quotient (AQ), and (2) has a strong interest in customization and desire to learn some VBA programming. Everyone else, i.e. 99.5 percent of the population, is basically going to be stuck in the clunky, ugly realm of Word's default settings. But that Word provides (or used to provide) that awesome customization capacity to those who want it is wonderful. (Remember, Beth, what we had to do to get the horizontal and vertical scroll bars _never_ to appear on their own. That is a good example of Word's built-in annoyance factor.) Larry "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I'm glad you're laughing. :-) I honestly wasn't joking about thinking of you. I know your ideal program would be one that once the installation is complete to walk you through your screen setup. Such as, provide an empty toolbar and a set of commands to pick from, walk through remapping the keyboard, and in the end, display a view similar to Full Screen view along with your single toolbar, all right out of the box. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... LOL. I'm laughing, but I'm miserable. :-) ... And still in a state of amazement and fury at what MS has done. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
I doubt a lot of it would benefit you, specifically, I think I have a fairly
good idea of how you use Word, but perhaps it will be a demonstration of how there's more to the change than just the UI. To be perfectly honest, I personally don't love the Ribbon and wish the added functionality would have been integrated with the old UI, but I can also see the benefits. It wasn't until I started digging deeper into the changes and learning about the new functionality that I finally accepted the Ribbon and found it's not as bad as I thought it would be initially. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "Larry" wrote in message ... Beth, I'll try this out and follow your steps when I get back again to the computer with Word 2007. Larry |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
I don't find that to be true at all. I coach a firm of 55 employees
in 4 offices, most of whom were with the company when it switched from WP to Word a few weeks before I arrived, so their learning curve was unpleasant. Naturally with that mindset they'd been adapting slowly. The two most critical things that appealed to them and uplifted their collective viewpoint were macros and keyboard shortcuts. Once they were shown these things, they adored them, and were unnerved (often greatly) when a new or foreign PC didn't have them. Everyone seems to appreciate keyboard shortcuts and the ability to remap them. (Most never use the Bold or Italic buttons anymore. It's just easier not to move your hand from the keyboard.) I placed a menu-building add-in on each system to simplify over 70 procedures, often complex ones that no average user would bother to do manually. It runs each of these macros in 2 or 3 clicks or keystrokes, and the staff is now in love with it. Word 2007 will slow or stifle this. I think 5 concepts now being widely offered as fact are simply wrong at base: (1) the average user is too dumb & lazy to want to improve efficiency or reduce fatigue; (2) power users are close-minded curmudgeons who are resistant to any change on general principle; (3) users as a whole are such utter sheep that everyone will eventually submit to Microsoft's peverse rug-yank; (4) the ribbon is more inherently more efficient than the menus; and (5) clicks or keystrokes that invoke commands are a significant part of the document-creating or -editing experience. (They're not; most average users' time spent at the computer is used for typing or scrolling, not finding specific commands on menus or buttons. That much should be obvious.) Word 2007 may look cute to newbies or amusing for the idle or self- employed, but anyone who works in a standard office setting facing normal concerns about deadlines and overhead will be hopelessly injured if they upgrade. I'm with Larry. I think 2007 is an abomination that invites revolt. Yes, I'm a power user. Folks here seem almost willing to imply that's a bad thing. Mark Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way you do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble to customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no desire to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in keyboard shortcuts at all. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. 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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
I don't think what you're saying contradicts what I've said. How many of
your users would have customized the UI *on their own*? Yes, users, when properly trained, will use macros and shortcuts when they are provided, but the average user does not create these macros and shortcuts. That's not to say that they wouldn't if they realized they could; most of them just never realize this. Which is why user customization is going to be one of my top three points in the Word classes I start teaching this week. I hate to think that the skills users will learn in these classes will be washed down the drain if they get Word 2007, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message oups.com... I don't find that to be true at all. I coach a firm of 55 employees in 4 offices, most of whom were with the company when it switched from WP to Word a few weeks before I arrived, so their learning curve was unpleasant. Naturally with that mindset they'd been adapting slowly. The two most critical things that appealed to them and uplifted their collective viewpoint were macros and keyboard shortcuts. Once they were shown these things, they adored them, and were unnerved (often greatly) when a new or foreign PC didn't have them. Everyone seems to appreciate keyboard shortcuts and the ability to remap them. (Most never use the Bold or Italic buttons anymore. It's just easier not to move your hand from the keyboard.) I placed a menu-building add-in on each system to simplify over 70 procedures, often complex ones that no average user would bother to do manually. It runs each of these macros in 2 or 3 clicks or keystrokes, and the staff is now in love with it. Word 2007 will slow or stifle this. I think 5 concepts now being widely offered as fact are simply wrong at base: (1) the average user is too dumb & lazy to want to improve efficiency or reduce fatigue; (2) power users are close-minded curmudgeons who are resistant to any change on general principle; (3) users as a whole are such utter sheep that everyone will eventually submit to Microsoft's peverse rug-yank; (4) the ribbon is more inherently more efficient than the menus; and (5) clicks or keystrokes that invoke commands are a significant part of the document-creating or -editing experience. (They're not; most average users' time spent at the computer is used for typing or scrolling, not finding specific commands on menus or buttons. That much should be obvious.) Word 2007 may look cute to newbies or amusing for the idle or self- employed, but anyone who works in a standard office setting facing normal concerns about deadlines and overhead will be hopelessly injured if they upgrade. I'm with Larry. I think 2007 is an abomination that invites revolt. Yes, I'm a power user. Folks here seem almost willing to imply that's a bad thing. Mark Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way you do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble to customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no desire to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in keyboard shortcuts at all. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. 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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Hey, I tried. :-)
I guess I'm one who doesn't have too many problems with the defaults. Although I try to use Word "as-is" so I can have the same experiences as most users. That way when the opportunity for feedback to Microsoft arises I'm prepared with my list. :-) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "Larry" wrote in message ... No, that wouldn't be my ideal because my personal set up is one that I evolved according to my needs and preferences. I don't think my preferences would apply to other people. That's what Word is (or was) supposed to be about--customizability. That's why we call our computers _personal_ computers. However, as Word comes out of the box, there are infinite annoying things about it that can only be solved by a person who (1) has a high Annoyance Quotient (AQ), and (2) has a strong interest in customization and desire to learn some VBA programming. Everyone else, i.e. 99.5 percent of the population, is basically going to be stuck in the clunky, ugly realm of Word's default settings. But that Word provides (or used to provide) that awesome customization capacity to those who want it is wonderful. (Remember, Beth, what we had to do to get the horizontal and vertical scroll bars _never_ to appear on their own. That is a good example of Word's built-in annoyance factor.) Larry "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I'm glad you're laughing. :-) I honestly wasn't joking about thinking of you. I know your ideal program would be one that once the installation is complete to walk you through your screen setup. Such as, provide an empty toolbar and a set of commands to pick from, walk through remapping the keyboard, and in the end, display a view similar to Full Screen view along with your single toolbar, all right out of the box. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... LOL. I'm laughing, but I'm miserable. :-) ... And still in a state of amazement and fury at what MS has done. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
You can still customize the environment (even the Ribbon) and assign
keyboard shortcuts, just as you did before. Your menu add-in will still function in Word 2007 along with the macros and keyboard shortcuts. When an add-in, document, or template, that contains customized toolbars and menus from the previous version another tab will be added, called Add-ins. Unfortunately, a lot of what you've read here is first impression and speculation. :-( Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ wrote in message oups.com... I don't find that to be true at all. I coach a firm of 55 employees in 4 offices, most of whom were with the company when it switched from WP to Word a few weeks before I arrived, so their learning curve was unpleasant. Naturally with that mindset they'd been adapting slowly. The two most critical things that appealed to them and uplifted their collective viewpoint were macros and keyboard shortcuts. Once they were shown these things, they adored them, and were unnerved (often greatly) when a new or foreign PC didn't have them. Everyone seems to appreciate keyboard shortcuts and the ability to remap them. (Most never use the Bold or Italic buttons anymore. It's just easier not to move your hand from the keyboard.) I placed a menu-building add-in on each system to simplify over 70 procedures, often complex ones that no average user would bother to do manually. It runs each of these macros in 2 or 3 clicks or keystrokes, and the staff is now in love with it. Word 2007 will slow or stifle this. I think 5 concepts now being widely offered as fact are simply wrong at base: (1) the average user is too dumb & lazy to want to improve efficiency or reduce fatigue; (2) power users are close-minded curmudgeons who are resistant to any change on general principle; (3) users as a whole are such utter sheep that everyone will eventually submit to Microsoft's peverse rug-yank; (4) the ribbon is more inherently more efficient than the menus; and (5) clicks or keystrokes that invoke commands are a significant part of the document-creating or -editing experience. (They're not; most average users' time spent at the computer is used for typing or scrolling, not finding specific commands on menus or buttons. That much should be obvious.) Word 2007 may look cute to newbies or amusing for the idle or self- employed, but anyone who works in a standard office setting facing normal concerns about deadlines and overhead will be hopelessly injured if they upgrade. I'm with Larry. I think 2007 is an abomination that invites revolt. Yes, I'm a power user. Folks here seem almost willing to imply that's a bad thing. Mark Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way you do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble to customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no desire to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in keyboard shortcuts at all. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. You know, Larry, just based on previous discussions I've had with you on topics of an even more simiplic nature I know there nothing I can say to you that will change your mind... |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Make sure you turn on CEIP before you show the group how to customize the
toolbars. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I don't think what you're saying contradicts what I've said. How many of your users would have customized the UI *on their own*? Yes, users, when properly trained, will use macros and shortcuts when they are provided, but the average user does not create these macros and shortcuts. That's not to say that they wouldn't if they realized they could; most of them just never realize this. Which is why user customization is going to be one of my top three points in the Word classes I start teaching this week. I hate to think that the skills users will learn in these classes will be washed down the drain if they get Word 2007, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. wrote in message oups.com... I don't find that to be true at all. I coach a firm of 55 employees in 4 offices, most of whom were with the company when it switched from WP to Word a few weeks before I arrived, so their learning curve was unpleasant. Naturally with that mindset they'd been adapting slowly. The two most critical things that appealed to them and uplifted their collective viewpoint were macros and keyboard shortcuts. Once they were shown these things, they adored them, and were unnerved (often greatly) when a new or foreign PC didn't have them. Everyone seems to appreciate keyboard shortcuts and the ability to remap them. (Most never use the Bold or Italic buttons anymore. It's just easier not to move your hand from the keyboard.) I placed a menu-building add-in on each system to simplify over 70 procedures, often complex ones that no average user would bother to do manually. It runs each of these macros in 2 or 3 clicks or keystrokes, and the staff is now in love with it. Word 2007 will slow or stifle this. I think 5 concepts now being widely offered as fact are simply wrong at base: (1) the average user is too dumb & lazy to want to improve efficiency or reduce fatigue; (2) power users are close-minded curmudgeons who are resistant to any change on general principle; (3) users as a whole are such utter sheep that everyone will eventually submit to Microsoft's peverse rug-yank; (4) the ribbon is more inherently more efficient than the menus; and (5) clicks or keystrokes that invoke commands are a significant part of the document-creating or -editing experience. (They're not; most average users' time spent at the computer is used for typing or scrolling, not finding specific commands on menus or buttons. That much should be obvious.) Word 2007 may look cute to newbies or amusing for the idle or self- employed, but anyone who works in a standard office setting facing normal concerns about deadlines and overhead will be hopelessly injured if they upgrade. I'm with Larry. I think 2007 is an abomination that invites revolt. Yes, I'm a power user. Folks here seem almost willing to imply that's a bad thing. Mark Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way you do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble to customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no desire to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in keyboard shortcuts at all. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. You know, Larry, just based on previous discussions I've had with you on topics of an even more simiplic nature I know there nothing I can say to you that will change your mind... |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:41:09 -0500 from Suzanne S. Barnhill
: No, Word has always provided a variety of ways to accomplish any given task, to accommodate user preference insofar as possible, while still leaning to making the UI most accommodating for the majority of users. I'll also add that many users *do* adopt at least some keyboard shortcuts when they are introduced to them, but most casual Word users (and that includes a *lot* of users, since "everybody" has Word) don't have the same needs as power users. I remember support for this in the MS blog that Joann pointed me to a few weeks ago. It said that even people who used Ctrl-V a lot also clicked the Paste icon a lot. Since then I've paid attention, and even though I'm a keyboard guy I find myself using that Paste icon. :-) -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Mark's points are so important, and are worth re-reading and thinking about.
I especially like Number 5: It's as though the main purpose of Word is fancy functions to manage fancy documents, rather than the basic task of typing and editing text. MS, in its desire for innovation for the sake of innovation, has lost sight of what most people spend their time doing with Word, which is typing, editing, and formatting text. Based on the unhappiness expressed by several respected MVPs, something I've never seen before in the eight years I've been frequenting the Word newsgroups, I think there is a basis for some kind of collective statement or petition to Microsoft from the newsgroups, led by the MVPs, pointing out the serious problems with Word 2007 and asking for a major retooling, including restoring basic features that have been taken away like the menus and toolbars. Terry said his own requests and suggestions had been rebuffed. But what if a bunch of MVPs and other interested Word users spoke together? We might not win, but Microsoft could not completely ignore us either. They would have to face the fact that intelligent people deeply interested in Word see serious problems here. Word experts of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your Microsoft Office Button. Larry wrote in message oups.com... I don't find that to be true at all. I coach a firm of 55 employees in 4 offices, most of whom were with the company when it switched from WP to Word a few weeks before I arrived, so their learning curve was unpleasant. Naturally with that mindset they'd been adapting slowly. The two most critical things that appealed to them and uplifted their collective viewpoint were macros and keyboard shortcuts. Once they were shown these things, they adored them, and were unnerved (often greatly) when a new or foreign PC didn't have them. Everyone seems to appreciate keyboard shortcuts and the ability to remap them. (Most never use the Bold or Italic buttons anymore. It's just easier not to move your hand from the keyboard.) I placed a menu-building add-in on each system to simplify over 70 procedures, often complex ones that no average user would bother to do manually. It runs each of these macros in 2 or 3 clicks or keystrokes, and the staff is now in love with it. Word 2007 will slow or stifle this. I think 5 concepts now being widely offered as fact are simply wrong at base: (1) the average user is too dumb & lazy to want to improve efficiency or reduce fatigue; (2) power users are close-minded curmudgeons who are resistant to any change on general principle; (3) users as a whole are such utter sheep that everyone will eventually submit to Microsoft's peverse rug-yank; (4) the ribbon is more inherently more efficient than the menus; and (5) clicks or keystrokes that invoke commands are a significant part of the document-creating or -editing experience. (They're not; most average users' time spent at the computer is used for typing or scrolling, not finding specific commands on menus or buttons. That much should be obvious.) Word 2007 may look cute to newbies or amusing for the idle or self- employed, but anyone who works in a standard office setting facing normal concerns about deadlines and overhead will be hopelessly injured if they upgrade. I'm with Larry. I think 2007 is an abomination that invites revolt. Yes, I'm a power user. Folks here seem almost willing to imply that's a bad thing. Mark Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way you do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble to customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no desire to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in keyboard shortcuts at all. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. You know, Larry, just based on previous discussions I've had with you on topics of an even more simiplic nature I know there nothing I can say to you that will change your mind... |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
I've removed the Cut, Copy, and Paste buttons from my toolbar in order to
accommodate others, and I have never missed them. I do use a lot of the formatting buttons (Italic, Bold, Underline, Double Underline, Small Caps, All Caps) when I'm editing, but I use only the keyboard shortcut for pasting. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:41:09 -0500 from Suzanne S. Barnhill : No, Word has always provided a variety of ways to accomplish any given task, to accommodate user preference insofar as possible, while still leaning to making the UI most accommodating for the majority of users. I'll also add that many users *do* adopt at least some keyboard shortcuts when they are introduced to them, but most casual Word users (and that includes a *lot* of users, since "everybody" has Word) don't have the same needs as power users. I remember support for this in the MS blog that Joann pointed me to a few weeks ago. It said that even people who used Ctrl-V a lot also clicked the Paste icon a lot. Since then I've paid attention, and even though I'm a keyboard guy I find myself using that Paste icon. :-) -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Word MVPs have provided feedback to MS, individually and collectively,
throughout the development process. It's not as if this UI had burst upon an unsuspecting world: Jensen Harris started documenting it in his blog (http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/) in September 2005. The only thing that will change Microsoft's direction is massive failure of corporate America to adopt the new version. But, given the reluctance of many corporations to upgrade early in the product life cycle, it may take a while for this failure to become evident. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Mark's points are so important, and are worth re-reading and thinking about. I especially like Number 5: It's as though the main purpose of Word is fancy functions to manage fancy documents, rather than the basic task of typing and editing text. MS, in its desire for innovation for the sake of innovation, has lost sight of what most people spend their time doing with Word, which is typing, editing, and formatting text. Based on the unhappiness expressed by several respected MVPs, something I've never seen before in the eight years I've been frequenting the Word newsgroups, I think there is a basis for some kind of collective statement or petition to Microsoft from the newsgroups, led by the MVPs, pointing out the serious problems with Word 2007 and asking for a major retooling, including restoring basic features that have been taken away like the menus and toolbars. Terry said his own requests and suggestions had been rebuffed. But what if a bunch of MVPs and other interested Word users spoke together? We might not win, but Microsoft could not completely ignore us either. They would have to face the fact that intelligent people deeply interested in Word see serious problems here. Word experts of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your Microsoft Office Button. Larry wrote in message oups.com... I don't find that to be true at all. I coach a firm of 55 employees in 4 offices, most of whom were with the company when it switched from WP to Word a few weeks before I arrived, so their learning curve was unpleasant. Naturally with that mindset they'd been adapting slowly. The two most critical things that appealed to them and uplifted their collective viewpoint were macros and keyboard shortcuts. Once they were shown these things, they adored them, and were unnerved (often greatly) when a new or foreign PC didn't have them. Everyone seems to appreciate keyboard shortcuts and the ability to remap them. (Most never use the Bold or Italic buttons anymore. It's just easier not to move your hand from the keyboard.) I placed a menu-building add-in on each system to simplify over 70 procedures, often complex ones that no average user would bother to do manually. It runs each of these macros in 2 or 3 clicks or keystrokes, and the staff is now in love with it. Word 2007 will slow or stifle this. I think 5 concepts now being widely offered as fact are simply wrong at base: (1) the average user is too dumb & lazy to want to improve efficiency or reduce fatigue; (2) power users are close-minded curmudgeons who are resistant to any change on general principle; (3) users as a whole are such utter sheep that everyone will eventually submit to Microsoft's peverse rug-yank; (4) the ribbon is more inherently more efficient than the menus; and (5) clicks or keystrokes that invoke commands are a significant part of the document-creating or -editing experience. (They're not; most average users' time spent at the computer is used for typing or scrolling, not finding specific commands on menus or buttons. That much should be obvious.) Word 2007 may look cute to newbies or amusing for the idle or self- employed, but anyone who works in a standard office setting facing normal concerns about deadlines and overhead will be hopelessly injured if they upgrade. I'm with Larry. I think 2007 is an abomination that invites revolt. Yes, I'm a power user. Folks here seem almost willing to imply that's a bad thing. Mark Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: But can you accept that the majority of users do NOT use Word the way you do? The vast majority of them would never think of going to the trouble to customize Word this way even if they were told how, and most have no desire to use Word this way. I find that most users are not interested in keyboard shortcuts at all. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Also, if memory serves correctly, years ago Beth helped me with macros to prevent the vertical and horizonal scroll bars from ever appearing unless I wanted them (and helped me with a lot of other things as well). It was a bit of a trick. Word just wanted those ugly scroll bars to keep popping up. Only serious customization could get around that. But once we had it, it was never an issue again. I have simple keystrokes to toggle the scrollbars when I want them, not when Microsoft wants them. My aim in that case and generally has been to keep all unnecessary clutter out of the Word window. So I got rid of all toolbar buttons that I don't use, and replaced the Standard and Formatting toolbars with one simplified toolbar. I never display the Ruler except when I need it. Also, the blue background screen is "cooler," easier on the eyes. So the whole look is simple and pleasing to the eye. To me, the way Word looks when it opens in its default state is an incredible eyesore. The other thing for me is to have an integrated environment, where I do things with the minimum of keystrokes or mouseclicks. For example, I developed a single key command (Num1) to toggle the Blue background off and on. I have a single key command (Num2) which not only toggles the capitalization of a word, but if there's a selection going up to the start of a word, it cuts the selection and toggles the capitalization of the first letter of the word immediately following the selection. I have three custom menus with many macros I use constantly, every one of those macros takes just two keystrokes, Alt+Letter, Letter. I'm still not sure if it's posible to replicate something like that in 2007. Things that take two steps in the older versions (even without my customizations), take three or more steps in 2007, things that take one step in the older versions (like opening the Window menu via keystroke) take two steps in 2007. This is totally unacceptable. The whole point is that things that you do often be done with the minimum of keystrokes. So my approach is to make Word's look as simple as possible, and Word's operation as simple as possible. Word 2007 is not only the opposite of that, it basically makes it impossible to customize around it. It imposes so much more on you (that incredibly complicated, hyperactive Ribbon) and makes it impossible to escape it. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I think it's impossible to persuade you in general, Larry. ;-) If you want the truth, when I saw the new UI you were one of the first people that came to mind. I thought, oh my, when Larry sees this he'll have a heart attack. I'm thankful to see you've taken a look at it and are still around. grin Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Larry" wrote in message ... Ok, Beth, I understand that you feel it's impossible to persuade me that trashing and replacing Word's total interface and method of operation was for the Greater Good. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Styles were merely an example that came to mind at the time. You know, Larry, just based on previous discussions I've had with you on topics of an even more simiplic nature I know there nothing I can say to you that will change your mind... |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Like Suzanne, the first customisation I make to my Toolbars (both main
toolbar and the right-click toolbars that I use regularly) is to remove the Cut/Copy/Paste commands - along with italic, bold and underline). I always use the keyboard: a lifetime's habit (along with Control+S, Control+P and other windows-wide keyboard commands). In Word2007, I am particularly annoyed that not only is the Clipboard Group given so much prominence on the Home Ribbon, but the Paste button is HUGE and the Format Painter uses a humungous area of screen real estate because it has been anointed with the words 'Format Painter' - which cannot be turned off. Just how much in your face is that? That's not bringing a command closer to the surface: it's slapping you in the face with a wet kipper. I understand that for most 'normal' users (read unskilled Word users) the Paste button is the number 1 button. So what: why should that stop a skilled user from having the choice to remove it? Let's redesign the keyboard layout and put the skilled users keys underneath to make more room for bigger keys for the unskilled users on top. There could be a whopping great big return key to make sure that the unskilled users are able to put in loads of space between paragraphs and an equally huge spacebar so that the same users can line up their columns of text... -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:41:09 -0500 from Suzanne S. Barnhill : No, Word has always provided a variety of ways to accomplish any given task, to accommodate user preference insofar as possible, while still leaning to making the UI most accommodating for the majority of users. I'll also add that many users *do* adopt at least some keyboard shortcuts when they are introduced to them, but most casual Word users (and that includes a *lot* of users, since "everybody" has Word) don't have the same needs as power users. I remember support for this in the MS blog that Joann pointed me to a few weeks ago. It said that even people who used Ctrl-V a lot also clicked the Paste icon a lot. Since then I've paid attention, and even though I'm a keyboard guy I find myself using that Paste icon. :-) -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
You cannot add attachments in these newsgroups: can you imagine users
attaching 10MB documents that they cannot open? Terry Farrell "Larry" wrote in message ... Cicely, I don't seem to be able to paste a screen shot into a formatted news message, I don't know why. I could paste it into a Word document and to you as an attachment if you like. I can't send you my template, though I am working it into something to sell online, primarily for writers to provide a host of quicker and easier ways to do various writing, editing, and navigating tasks. Larry "Cicely Waldrop" wrote in message news:000001c77abe$a005d460$0a00a8c0@Gilead... Hi Larry, I have very interested in how you have customized Word. Do you mind posting a screenshot or e-mailing a template? Thanks |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
I understand that for most 'normal' users (read unskilled Word users) the Paste button is the number 1 button. So what: why should that stop a skilled user from having the choice to remove it? Ah, but there's a deeper purpose here, which you haven't discovered yet. You must accept on faith that that deeper purpose exists, and drop your negativity and your complaining, and then, after several months of immersing yourself with an open mind and a positive attitude in this environment, the true sense and worth of it will become clear to you. And this is what we all must do. Larry "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... Like Suzanne, the first customisation I make to my Toolbars (both main toolbar and the right-click toolbars that I use regularly) is to remove the Cut/Copy/Paste commands - along with italic, bold and underline). I always use the keyboard: a lifetime's habit (along with Control+S, Control+P and other windows-wide keyboard commands). In Word2007, I am particularly annoyed that not only is the Clipboard Group given so much prominence on the Home Ribbon, but the Paste button is HUGE and the Format Painter uses a humungous area of screen real estate because it has been anointed with the words 'Format Painter' - which cannot be turned off. Just how much in your face is that? That's not bringing a command closer to the surface: it's slapping you in the face with a wet kipper. I understand that for most 'normal' users (read unskilled Word users) the Paste button is the number 1 button. So what: why should that stop a skilled user from having the choice to remove it? Let's redesign the keyboard layout and put the skilled users keys underneath to make more room for bigger keys for the unskilled users on top. There could be a whopping great big return key to make sure that the unskilled users are able to put in loads of space between paragraphs and an equally huge spacebar so that the same users can line up their columns of text... -- Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP "Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:41:09 -0500 from Suzanne S. Barnhill : No, Word has always provided a variety of ways to accomplish any given task, to accommodate user preference insofar as possible, while still leaning to making the UI most accommodating for the majority of users. I'll also add that many users *do* adopt at least some keyboard shortcuts when they are introduced to them, but most casual Word users (and that includes a *lot* of users, since "everybody" has Word) don't have the same needs as power users. I remember support for this in the MS blog that Joann pointed me to a few weeks ago. It said that even people who used Ctrl-V a lot also clicked the Paste icon a lot. Since then I've paid attention, and even though I'm a keyboard guy I find myself using that Paste icon. :-) -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
But as has been mentioned, there is software which will allow you to
customize the Ribbon, move or delete groups, move or delete an entire tab, and so on. MS doesn't provide this with Word, you have to pay a third-party company $30 for it. |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
The "third-party company" is a student, Patrick Schmid, who is also an MVP.
He has put in over a year of work and research in learning to use Ribbon UI. And $30 is a darn good price for something you need/want. Or you could become as adept at Ribbon UI as you are at VBA and write an app yourself. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... But as has been mentioned, there is software which will allow you to customize the Ribbon, move or delete groups, move or delete an entire tab, and so on. MS doesn't provide this with Word, you have to pay a third-party company $30 for it. |
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Well, you can't post attachments through the Communities interface. You can
post attachments via NNTP, but very few end users will see them because they're mostly reading the NGs through the Web portal. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Terry Farrell" wrote in message ... You cannot add attachments in these newsgroups: can you imagine users attaching 10MB documents that they cannot open? Terry Farrell "Larry" wrote in message ... Cicely, I don't seem to be able to paste a screen shot into a formatted news message, I don't know why. I could paste it into a Word document and to you as an attachment if you like. I can't send you my template, though I am working it into something to sell online, primarily for writers to provide a host of quicker and easier ways to do various writing, editing, and navigating tasks. Larry "Cicely Waldrop" wrote in message news:000001c77abe$a005d460$0a00a8c0@Gilead... Hi Larry, I have very interested in how you have customized Word. Do you mind posting a screenshot or e-mailing a template? Thanks |
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Uh, I was passing on to Terry information that someone else in the group had
given to me, that there is a way to solve the problem with the Ribbon he was describing. I was also pointing out that this solution is not provided as a part of Word. I hope that's ok with you. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... The "third-party company" is a student, Patrick Schmid, who is also an MVP. He has put in over a year of work and research in learning to use Ribbon UI. And $30 is a darn good price for something you need/want. Or you could become as adept at Ribbon UI as you are at VBA and write an app yourself. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... But as has been mentioned, there is software which will allow you to customize the Ribbon, move or delete groups, move or delete an entire tab, and so on. MS doesn't provide this with Word, you have to pay a third-party company $30 for it. |
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Larry wrote:
I could paste it into a Word document and e-mail to you as an attachment if you like. The tendency of people to think that Word makes a good wrapper to exchange a single picture is symptomatic of the factors that landed us with Word 2007--the idea that Word can and should be able to do everything! |
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Thanks Larry. I was aware of the utility: but like you, I don't see why this
shouldn't be an out-of-the-box, user-friendly feature. I hope Paul is well on the way to become a dollar millionaire! Terry "Larry" wrote in message ... Uh, I was passing on to Terry information that someone else in the group had given to me, that there is a way to solve the problem with the Ribbon he was describing. I was also pointing out that this solution is not provided as a part of Word. I hope that's ok with you. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... The "third-party company" is a student, Patrick Schmid, who is also an MVP. He has put in over a year of work and research in learning to use Ribbon UI. And $30 is a darn good price for something you need/want. Or you could become as adept at Ribbon UI as you are at VBA and write an app yourself. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... But as has been mentioned, there is software which will allow you to customize the Ribbon, move or delete groups, move or delete an entire tab, and so on. MS doesn't provide this with Word, you have to pay a third-party company $30 for it. |
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Well, I couldn't paste it into an e-mail, so Word was the next alternative.
What would you suggest that I have done? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Larry wrote: I could paste it into a Word document and e-mail to you as an attachment if you like. The tendency of people to think that Word makes a good wrapper to exchange a single picture is symptomatic of the factors that landed us with Word 2007--the idea that Word can and should be able to do everything! |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
So that's it? MVPs have provided feedback in the past, and MS did not heed
them, so the subject is closed and there's nothing to do but accept the destruction of the Word interface? I don't know anything about the relations of MVPs and Microsoft. But I would guess that any feedback by MVPs during the testing period was on the softspoken side. I would suggest that if MVPs as a group spoke out more strongly now, really conveying the depth of unhappiness with Word 2007 and how unacceptable it is, that there would at least be a chance that MS will hear them and do something about it. It's the squeaky wheel that gets greased. You have nothing to lose, and a great deal to gain, for yourselves, and for all Word users. Larry something stronger is needed. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Word MVPs have provided feedback to MS, individually and collectively, throughout the development process. It's not as if this UI had burst upon an unsuspecting world: Jensen Harris started documenting it in his blog (http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/) in September 2005. The only thing that will change Microsoft's direction is massive failure of corporate America to adopt the new version. But, given the reluctance of many corporations to upgrade early in the product life cycle, it may take a while for this failure to become evident. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Mark's points are so important, and are worth re-reading and thinking about. I especially like Number 5: It's as though the main purpose of Word is fancy functions to manage fancy documents, rather than the basic task of typing and editing text. MS, in its desire for innovation for the sake of innovation, has lost sight of what most people spend their time doing with Word, which is typing, editing, and formatting text. Based on the unhappiness expressed by several respected MVPs, something I've never seen before in the eight years I've been frequenting the Word newsgroups, I think there is a basis for some kind of collective statement or petition to Microsoft from the newsgroups, led by the MVPs, pointing out the serious problems with Word 2007 and asking for a major retooling, including restoring basic features that have been taken away like the menus and toolbars. Terry said his own requests and suggestions had been rebuffed. But what if a bunch of MVPs and other interested Word users spoke together? We might not win, but Microsoft could not completely ignore us either. They would have to face the fact that intelligent people deeply interested in Word see serious problems here. Word experts of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your Microsoft Office Button. Larry wrote in message oups.com... I don't find that to be true at all. I coach a firm of 55 employees in 4 offices, most of whom were with the company when it switched from WP to Word a few weeks before I arrived, so their learning curve was unpleasant. Naturally with that mindset they'd been adapting slowly. The two most critical things that appealed to them and uplifted their collective viewpoint were macros and keyboard shortcuts. Once they were shown these things, they adored them, and were unnerved (often greatly) when a new or foreign PC didn't have them. Everyone seems to appreciate keyboard shortcuts and the ability to remap them. (Most never use the Bold or Italic buttons anymore. It's just easier not to move your hand from the keyboard.) I placed a menu-building add-in on each system to simplify over 70 procedures, often complex ones that no average user would bother to do manually. It runs each of these macros in 2 or 3 clicks or keystrokes, and the staff is now in love with it. Word 2007 will slow or stifle this. I think 5 concepts now being widely offered as fact are simply wrong at base: (1) the average user is too dumb & lazy to want to improve efficiency or reduce fatigue; (2) power users are close-minded curmudgeons who are resistant to any change on general principle; (3) users as a whole are such utter sheep that everyone will eventually submit to Microsoft's peverse rug-yank; (4) the ribbon is more inherently more efficient than the menus; and (5) clicks or keystrokes that invoke commands are a significant part of the document-creating or -editing experience. (They're not; most average users' time spent at the computer is used for typing or scrolling, not finding specific commands on menus or buttons. That much should be obvious.) Word 2007 may look cute to newbies or amusing for the idle or self- employed, but anyone who works in a standard office setting facing normal concerns about deadlines and overhead will be hopelessly injured if they upgrade. I'm with Larry. I think 2007 is an abomination that invites revolt. Yes, I'm a power user. Folks here seem almost willing to imply that's a bad thing. Mark |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Attach it to the email
-- Paul Ballou MVP Office http://office.microsoft.com/home http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ http://www.ballousgiftshop.com "Larry" wrote in message ... Well, I couldn't paste it into an e-mail, so Word was the next alternative. What would you suggest that I have done? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Larry wrote: I could paste it into a Word document and e-mail to you as an attachment if you like. The tendency of people to think that Word makes a good wrapper to exchange a single picture is symptomatic of the factors that landed us with Word 2007--the idea that Word can and should be able to do everything! |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Attach a screen shot to an e-mail??
Again, I made a screen shot. It would not paste into an e-mail. So I pasted it into Word, and attached the Word document to an e-mail and sent the e-mail to Cicely. I hope I have passed muster. "Paul Ballou" wrote in message ... Attach it to the email -- Paul Ballou MVP Office http://office.microsoft.com/home http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ http://www.ballousgiftshop.com "Larry" wrote in message ... Well, I couldn't paste it into an e-mail, so Word was the next alternative. What would you suggest that I have done? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Larry wrote: I could paste it into a Word document and e-mail to you as an attachment if you like. The tendency of people to think that Word makes a good wrapper to exchange a single picture is symptomatic of the factors that landed us with Word 2007--the idea that Word can and should be able to do everything! |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
Feedback from MVPs is never soft-spoken. The MVPs who provided feedback were
mostly those who were using the beta. These include PPT MVP Echo Swinford, who identified and documented more bugs than anyone else in the entire Office beta (for those who don't know Echo, she's widely known around MS as "the 'It sucks' lady"). But the number of Word MVPs is quite small in proportion to the total number of Word users, and MS considers feedback from a wide variety of sources, including large corporations with volume licensing. In particular, many decisions were made based on CEIP data; those who did not participate in CEIP could be argued to have only themselves to blame, though, as mentioned here, CEIP data probably did not accurately represent user customization. MVPs are still providing outspoken feedback. We most recently did so at the MVP Summit (March 12-15). And the product team *does* listen. But our viewpoint is still a minority, no matter how vocal. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... So that's it? MVPs have provided feedback in the past, and MS did not heed them, so the subject is closed and there's nothing to do but accept the destruction of the Word interface? I don't know anything about the relations of MVPs and Microsoft. But I would guess that any feedback by MVPs during the testing period was on the softspoken side. I would suggest that if MVPs as a group spoke out more strongly now, really conveying the depth of unhappiness with Word 2007 and how unacceptable it is, that there would at least be a chance that MS will hear them and do something about it. It's the squeaky wheel that gets greased. You have nothing to lose, and a great deal to gain, for yourselves, and for all Word users. Larry something stronger is needed. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Word MVPs have provided feedback to MS, individually and collectively, throughout the development process. It's not as if this UI had burst upon an unsuspecting world: Jensen Harris started documenting it in his blog (http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/) in September 2005. The only thing that will change Microsoft's direction is massive failure of corporate America to adopt the new version. But, given the reluctance of many corporations to upgrade early in the product life cycle, it may take a while for this failure to become evident. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Mark's points are so important, and are worth re-reading and thinking about. I especially like Number 5: It's as though the main purpose of Word is fancy functions to manage fancy documents, rather than the basic task of typing and editing text. MS, in its desire for innovation for the sake of innovation, has lost sight of what most people spend their time doing with Word, which is typing, editing, and formatting text. Based on the unhappiness expressed by several respected MVPs, something I've never seen before in the eight years I've been frequenting the Word newsgroups, I think there is a basis for some kind of collective statement or petition to Microsoft from the newsgroups, led by the MVPs, pointing out the serious problems with Word 2007 and asking for a major retooling, including restoring basic features that have been taken away like the menus and toolbars. Terry said his own requests and suggestions had been rebuffed. But what if a bunch of MVPs and other interested Word users spoke together? We might not win, but Microsoft could not completely ignore us either. They would have to face the fact that intelligent people deeply interested in Word see serious problems here. Word experts of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your Microsoft Office Button. Larry wrote in message oups.com... I don't find that to be true at all. I coach a firm of 55 employees in 4 offices, most of whom were with the company when it switched from WP to Word a few weeks before I arrived, so their learning curve was unpleasant. Naturally with that mindset they'd been adapting slowly. The two most critical things that appealed to them and uplifted their collective viewpoint were macros and keyboard shortcuts. Once they were shown these things, they adored them, and were unnerved (often greatly) when a new or foreign PC didn't have them. Everyone seems to appreciate keyboard shortcuts and the ability to remap them. (Most never use the Bold or Italic buttons anymore. It's just easier not to move your hand from the keyboard.) I placed a menu-building add-in on each system to simplify over 70 procedures, often complex ones that no average user would bother to do manually. It runs each of these macros in 2 or 3 clicks or keystrokes, and the staff is now in love with it. Word 2007 will slow or stifle this. I think 5 concepts now being widely offered as fact are simply wrong at base: (1) the average user is too dumb & lazy to want to improve efficiency or reduce fatigue; (2) power users are close-minded curmudgeons who are resistant to any change on general principle; (3) users as a whole are such utter sheep that everyone will eventually submit to Microsoft's peverse rug-yank; (4) the ribbon is more inherently more efficient than the menus; and (5) clicks or keystrokes that invoke commands are a significant part of the document-creating or -editing experience. (They're not; most average users' time spent at the computer is used for typing or scrolling, not finding specific commands on menus or buttons. That much should be obvious.) Word 2007 may look cute to newbies or amusing for the idle or self- employed, but anyone who works in a standard office setting facing normal concerns about deadlines and overhead will be hopelessly injured if they upgrade. I'm with Larry. I think 2007 is an abomination that invites revolt. Yes, I'm a power user. Folks here seem almost willing to imply that's a bad thing. Mark |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
No, you paste the screen shot into a graphics app and save it in a
(compressed) graphic format. If you have only Word to paste it into, you can find instructions for extracting it as a graphic at http://www.gmayor.com/extract_images_from_word.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Attach a screen shot to an e-mail?? Again, I made a screen shot. It would not paste into an e-mail. So I pasted it into Word, and attached the Word document to an e-mail and sent the e-mail to Cicely. I hope I have passed muster. "Paul Ballou" wrote in message ... Attach it to the email -- Paul Ballou MVP Office http://office.microsoft.com/home http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ http://www.ballousgiftshop.com "Larry" wrote in message ... Well, I couldn't paste it into an e-mail, so Word was the next alternative. What would you suggest that I have done? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Larry wrote: I could paste it into a Word document and e-mail to you as an attachment if you like. The tendency of people to think that Word makes a good wrapper to exchange a single picture is symptomatic of the factors that landed us with Word 2007--the idea that Word can and should be able to do everything! |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
What is the advantage of that--is it that the graphics app is smaller?
However, what if I accompany the screen shot with text? I guess I could type that into the graphics app. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... No, you paste the screen shot into a graphics app and save it in a (compressed) graphic format. If you have only Word to paste it into, you can find instructions for extracting it as a graphic at http://www.gmayor.com/extract_images_from_word.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Larry" wrote in message ... Attach a screen shot to an e-mail?? Again, I made a screen shot. It would not paste into an e-mail. So I pasted it into Word, and attached the Word document to an e-mail and sent the e-mail to Cicely. I hope I have passed muster. "Paul Ballou" wrote in message ... Attach it to the email -- Paul Ballou MVP Office http://office.microsoft.com/home http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ http://www.ballousgiftshop.com "Larry" wrote in message ... Well, I couldn't paste it into an e-mail, so Word was the next alternative. What would you suggest that I have done? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Larry wrote: I could paste it into a Word document and e-mail to you as an attachment if you like. The tendency of people to think that Word makes a good wrapper to exchange a single picture is symptomatic of the factors that landed us with Word 2007--the idea that Word can and should be able to do everything! |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:04:01 -0400, Larry wrote:
Well, I couldn't paste it into an e-mail, so Word was the next alternative. What would you suggest that I have done? Hi, Larry Screenshots are essentially picture files. As such, they can easily be attached to emails. But in practical terms, it all depends how you make the screenshots. If you use the PrintScreen key, the screenshot is sent to the Windows clipboard as a bitmap picture. In this case, you have to paste the clipboard contents into some application to be able to use the picture in any meaningful way. You pasted into Word but there are better/simpler ways. Word is a "word" processor. What you actually need is a "picture" processor. Any would do, the most basic being the Windows "Paint" program (which is still available in XP). Pasting into "Paint" allows you to save the picture as a BMP, JPEG, TIFF, GIF, or PNG file. Now it is often more practical to make screenshots using a screen capture application. In this case, you can usually choose where to send the screenshot to. You can send it to the Windows clipboard, but more aptly you can save it directly to a picture file. I can recommend "FastStone Capture" (http://www.faststone.org/download.htm). It is totally free and as user-friendly as can be. Here is a description from the help: "A powerful, flexible and intuitive screen-capture utility. It allows you to capture anything on the screen including windows, objects, full screen, rectangle / freehand-selected regions and scrolling windows/web pages." "FastStone Capture" also allows you to edit the screenshot picture, add frames or text, change size or colour count, email or print the picture directly. -- Cheers Robert |
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Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"
For those who want a dedicated screen capture utility that is really
full-featured (and still very affordable), I recommend SnagIt (www.techsmith.com). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Robert" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:04:01 -0400, Larry wrote: Well, I couldn't paste it into an e-mail, so Word was the next alternative. What would you suggest that I have done? Hi, Larry Screenshots are essentially picture files. As such, they can easily be attached to emails. But in practical terms, it all depends how you make the screenshots. If you use the PrintScreen key, the screenshot is sent to the Windows clipboard as a bitmap picture. In this case, you have to paste the clipboard contents into some application to be able to use the picture in any meaningful way. You pasted into Word but there are better/simpler ways. Word is a "word" processor. What you actually need is a "picture" processor. Any would do, the most basic being the Windows "Paint" program (which is still available in XP). Pasting into "Paint" allows you to save the picture as a BMP, JPEG, TIFF, GIF, or PNG file. Now it is often more practical to make screenshots using a screen capture application. In this case, you can usually choose where to send the screenshot to. You can send it to the Windows clipboard, but more aptly you can save it directly to a picture file. I can recommend "FastStone Capture" (http://www.faststone.org/download.htm). It is totally free and as user-friendly as can be. Here is a description from the help: "A powerful, flexible and intuitive screen-capture utility. It allows you to capture anything on the screen including windows, objects, full screen, rectangle / freehand-selected regions and scrolling windows/web pages." "FastStone Capture" also allows you to edit the screenshot picture, add frames or text, change size or colour count, email or print the picture directly. -- Cheers Robert |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:49:51 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
For those who want a dedicated screen capture utility that is really full-featured (and still very affordable), I recommend SnagIt (www.techsmith.com). It all depends what are the user's actual needs. There is no point in having a "really" full-featured application if only a few of these features are ever used. Most screen captures that I personally ever make can be done with "FastStone Capture" for free. And I would assume this to be the case with most ordinary end-users. Why should we fork out $40 for additional features that we would never use? What's more, "SnagIt" has got few extra features that would not be available in "FastStone Capture". Also note that a lot of users own a dedicated graphic application such as Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop. These applications can make screen captures too. And they are as "full-featured" as "SnagIt" can be. Whenever I need the extra features (especially editing features), I use Paint Shop Pro. But "FastStone Capture" answsers most ordinary needs. Especially when all the user wants to do is send a (few) screen capture(s) of his customisation of the Word UI... -- Cheers Robert |
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