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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is
going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag. I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times. As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word ) whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse. And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'. There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows, but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great. Hope I've cleared things up, angry people. "Jezebel" wrote: You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
I am pretty sure that there is enough Word knowledge in this newsgroup
to explain every situation you are encountering, if you provide clear reproduction steps, meaning what you did exactly and what happened then. It is important to provide the slightest details for that. As your issues seemed to be focused around indentation, individual keystrokes matter. The experts in this newsgroup helping everyone include a lot of the authors that write the Word books, consultants who earn a living just from Word, etc. There are also quite a few people in here who are members of the Office 2007 Technical Beta Community. If there is something you are experiencing that still behaves the same in Word 2007 and no one can provide an explanation for, a member of the tech beta can easily get an answer from Microsoft on that. I for example did that a week or so ago on an issue and within a day had a reply from Microsoft explaining why something quite weird was happening. So in short...There is an explanation for everything and the people in this newsgroup either know it already or will make an effort to find it out. Give us a good explanation what you are exactly seeing and it is probably a good idea to first educate yourself on some of the basic stuff related to the issues as well. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net "Word Hater" wrote in message : Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag. I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times. As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word ) whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse. And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'. There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows, but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great. Hope I've cleared things up, angry people. "Jezebel" wrote: You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
G'day Word Hater ,
Troll. You came here to direct venom in a place designed, and used for, assisting users. Steve Hudson - Word Heretic steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment) Without prejudice Word Hater reckoned: Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag. I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times. As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word ) whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse. And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'. There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows, but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great. Hope I've cleared things up, angry people. "Jezebel" wrote: You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
I understand. I was a WordPerfect user until the company made us switch to
Word in 1998. I went kicking and screaming. The 1998 version of WordPerfect is still ahead of Word. Use WordPerfect and convert it to Word. I get very frustrated with the Word's unfriendliness. Most of the users that say you just need to 'learn Word' are correct. If you want to know Word, you have to study it. WordPerfect is so intuitive you can do three times as much without having to 'learn' in. Using Word, but would prefer not to. -- Frances "Word Hater" wrote: Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag. I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times. As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word ) whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse. And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'. There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows, but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great. Hope I've cleared things up, angry people. "Jezebel" wrote: You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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Why dont MS just f**king re-write Word from scratch? Its dogsh
I ran kicking and screaming from WordPerfect as soon as possible after
starting to use Word. There are some things I still miss in WordPerfect, but Word is much more intuitive FOR ME. I think which one you prefer depends entirely on your own personality and style, though also, to a large extent, which you started with. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Franco" wrote in message ... I understand. I was a WordPerfect user until the company made us switch to Word in 1998. I went kicking and screaming. The 1998 version of WordPerfect is still ahead of Word. Use WordPerfect and convert it to Word. I get very frustrated with the Word's unfriendliness. Most of the users that say you just need to 'learn Word' are correct. If you want to know Word, you have to study it. WordPerfect is so intuitive you can do three times as much without having to 'learn' in. Using Word, but would prefer not to. -- Frances "Word Hater" wrote: Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag. I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times. As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word ) whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse. And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'. There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows, but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great. Hope I've cleared things up, angry people. "Jezebel" wrote: You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last night? "Word Hater" wrote in message ... Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you want, that is a bug. No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one. My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no control over these problems. Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive, hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!? MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its un-intuitiveness. ha. "Patrick Schmid" wrote: Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive audience. "Word Hater" wrote in message : No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the points Im trying to make. "Jezebel" wrote: Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand why it is doing what it is doing. "Word Hater" wrote in message ... And my other points.....do you have a response to them? "Jezebel" wrote: I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested time to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is doing what it is doing. You said it. |
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