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MS-Word 2007 is re-ordering tables
I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables - though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page. However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table. "Allow row to break..." seems to work as expected - I either get some or all of the first table row in the wrong place (though there is more than enough space for all of it. "Repeat as header row..." is _not_ on - and in any case, I wouldn't expect this feature to move the header row beforw the preceding paragraph. The various paragraph controls "Widow/orphan", "Keep with..." etc. appear to have no effect. In one case I was able to fix this by changing the number of carriage returns between the paragraph and the table, but it is not working in all cases. Anyone got any idea what is going on - or more importantly how I might fix it. John |
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MS-Word 2007 is re-ordering tables
Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result of
having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons known to cause blue shading in table cells are €śDifferent first page€ť and €śDifferent odd and even€ť and could be the cause of this starnge problem you are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other buttons added to the QAT one by one to see whether that helps. Hope this helps DeanH "John Penton" wrote: I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables - though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page. However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table. "Allow row to break..." seems to work as expected - I either get some or all of the first table row in the wrong place (though there is more than enough space for all of it. "Repeat as header row..." is _not_ on - and in any case, I wouldn't expect this feature to move the header row beforw the preceding paragraph. The various paragraph controls "Widow/orphan", "Keep with..." etc. appear to have no effect. In one case I was able to fix this by changing the number of carriage returns between the paragraph and the table, but it is not working in all cases. Anyone got any idea what is going on - or more importantly how I might fix it. John |
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MS-Word 2007 is re-ordering tables
On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH wrote:
"John Penton" wrote: I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables - though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page. However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table. Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result of having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons known to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem you are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other buttons added to the QAT one by one to see whether that helps. Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo). :-( John |
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MS-Word 2007 is re-ordering tables
Wow! You haven't customized your QAT at all?
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "John Penton" wrote in message ... On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH wrote: "John Penton" wrote: I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables - though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page. However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table. Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result of having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons known to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem you are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other buttons added to the QAT one by one to see whether that helps. Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo). :-( John |
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MS-Word 2007 is re-ordering tables
I'm surprised you find this surprising. I believe many users don't change
the default settings at all. Also, the QAT is more or less hiding above the ribbon (by default), which probably means not many people pay attention to it. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Wow! You haven't customized your QAT at all? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "John Penton" wrote in message ... On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH wrote: "John Penton" wrote: I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables - though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page. However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table. Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result of having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons known to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem you are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other buttons added to the QAT one by one to see whether that helps. Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo). :-( John |
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MS-Word 2007 is re-ordering tables
I just don't see how anyone could use Word 2007 without adding a LOT of
buttons to the QAT. I'm hardly using it at all, and I've added 23 buttons or other items, including a link to custom toolbars. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... I'm surprised you find this surprising. I believe many users don't change the default settings at all. Also, the QAT is more or less hiding above the ribbon (by default), which probably means not many people pay attention to it. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Wow! You haven't customized your QAT at all? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "John Penton" wrote in message ... On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH wrote: "John Penton" wrote: I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables - though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page. However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table. Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result of having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons known to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem you are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other buttons added to the QAT one by one to see whether that helps. Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo). :-( John |
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MS-Word 2007 is re-ordering tables
I use Word 2007 a lot more than Word 2003 nowadays, and I have only added
Style, Font, and Font Size (and a few more buttons that run macros) to the QAT... However, my point was that I think that most users do *not* customize Word at all. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I just don't see how anyone could use Word 2007 without adding a LOT of buttons to the QAT. I'm hardly using it at all, and I've added 23 buttons or other items, including a link to custom toolbars. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... I'm surprised you find this surprising. I believe many users don't change the default settings at all. Also, the QAT is more or less hiding above the ribbon (by default), which probably means not many people pay attention to it. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Wow! You haven't customized your QAT at all? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "John Penton" wrote in message ... On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH wrote: "John Penton" wrote: I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables - though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page. However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table. Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result of having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons known to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem you are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other buttons added to the QAT one by one to see whether that helps. Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo). :-( John |
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MS-Word 2007 is re-ordering tables
Among the first I added were Open, Close, and New (actually two different
New buttons), followed by Properties, Style, Word Options, Insert Symbol, Insert Frame, AutoFormat, E-Mail (Send as Attachment), and a few others. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... I use Word 2007 a lot more than Word 2003 nowadays, and I have only added Style, Font, and Font Size (and a few more buttons that run macros) to the QAT... However, my point was that I think that most users do *not* customize Word at all. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I just don't see how anyone could use Word 2007 without adding a LOT of buttons to the QAT. I'm hardly using it at all, and I've added 23 buttons or other items, including a link to custom toolbars. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... I'm surprised you find this surprising. I believe many users don't change the default settings at all. Also, the QAT is more or less hiding above the ribbon (by default), which probably means not many people pay attention to it. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... Wow! You haven't customized your QAT at all? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "John Penton" wrote in message ... On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH wrote: "John Penton" wrote: I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables - though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page. However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table. Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result of having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons known to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem you are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other buttons added to the QAT one by one to see whether that helps. Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo). :-( John |
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MS-Word 2007 is re-ordering tables
It is very easy to nudge a table out of its in-line (not wrapped) setting,
and the behavior you describe seems to be more like that of a wrapped object. So my suggestion is that you check again to see whether that has happened. If it has not then I would suspect that the odd behavior results from table corruption. Try open and repair on the file. Please report back. Pam John Penton wrote: I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables - though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page. However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table. "Allow row to break..." seems to work as expected - I either get some or all of the first table row in the wrong place (though there is more than enough space for all of it. "Repeat as header row..." is _not_ on - and in any case, I wouldn't expect this feature to move the header row beforw the preceding paragraph. The various paragraph controls "Widow/orphan", "Keep with..." etc. appear to have no effect. In one case I was able to fix this by changing the number of carriage returns between the paragraph and the table, but it is not working in all cases. Anyone got any idea what is going on - or more importantly how I might fix it. John -- Message posted via http://www.officekb.com |
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