No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched
applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the
points Im trying to make.

"Jezebel" wrote:

Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand
why it is doing what it is doing.



"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
And my other points.....do you have a response to them?

"Jezebel" wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested
time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is
doing
what
it is doing.

You said it.

Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't
even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you
came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be
extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with
a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do
things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive
audience.


"Word Hater" wrote in message
:

No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched
applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the
points Im trying to make.

"Jezebel" wrote:

Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand
why it is doing what it is doing.



"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
And my other points.....do you have a response to them?

"Jezebel" wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested
time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is
doing
what
it is doing.

You said it.

Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get to
the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters
simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you
want, that is a bug.

No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one.
My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in
the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that
make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it
also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no
reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no
control over these problems.

Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive,
hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all
manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its
crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been using
it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company can
write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu intesive
things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and
Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!?

MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change
this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how to
do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its
un-intuitiveness.

ha.

"Patrick Schmid" wrote:

Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't
even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you
came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be
extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with
a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do
things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive
audience.


"Word Hater" wrote in message
:

No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched
applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the
points Im trying to make.

"Jezebel" wrote:

Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand
why it is doing what it is doing.



"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
And my other points.....do you have a response to them?

"Jezebel" wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested
time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is
doing
what
it is doing.

You said it.

No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect
one.
My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in
the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles that
make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition it
also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no
reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have no
control over these problems.
Most software that is released into the world has only 80% of its bugs
fixed. Software that is completely bug-free doesn't exist and if one
tries to create it, would never ship anyhow. The closest the industry
gets to bug-free software is the software that is used in life-critical
applications, e.g. by NASA. And even then, bugs are everywhere and
software bugs have cost ESA e.g. one rocket (Ariane 5), NASA at least
one $1 billion probe, almost jeopardized another NASA mission, etc.
The point is that for space applications the most expensive and
exhaustive software engineering practices are used and it still has
bugs. Bugs are a fact of life of computer programs, and bug-free
software only exists if the program is very small (you can probably get
10-100 lines to be bug free)

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect
answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last
night?


"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get
to
the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters
simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you
want, that is a bug.

No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one.
My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in
the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles
that
make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition
it
also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no
reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have
no
control over these problems.

Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive,
hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all
manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its
crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been
using
it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company
can
write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu
intesive
things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and
Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!?

MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change
this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how
to
do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its
un-intuitiveness.

ha.

"Patrick Schmid" wrote:

Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't
even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you
came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be
extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with
a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do
things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive
audience.


"Word Hater" wrote in message
:

No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in
the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I
switched
applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are
the
points Im trying to make.

"Jezebel" wrote:

Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would
understand
why it is doing what it is doing.



"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
And my other points.....do you have a response to them?

"Jezebel" wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I
invested
time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it
is
doing
what
it is doing.

You said it.

Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is
going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I
have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to
answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only
direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know
better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the
conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I
severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to
you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag.

I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as
without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for
them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my
frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of
software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times.

As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a
software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life
critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years
I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word )
whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm
just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most
amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of
Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out
silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software
house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The
fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse.

And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the
truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the
world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the
advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the
point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'.
There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows,
but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS
bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd
like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great.

Hope I've cleared things up, angry people.



"Jezebel" wrote:

You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect
answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last
night?


"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get
to
the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters
simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you
want, that is a bug.

No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one.
My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in
the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles
that
make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition
it
also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no
reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have
no
control over these problems.

Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive,
hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all
manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its
crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been
using
it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company
can
write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu
intesive
things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and
Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!?

MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change
this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how
to
do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its
un-intuitiveness.

ha.

"Patrick Schmid" wrote:

Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't
even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you
came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be
extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with
a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do
things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive
audience.


"Word Hater" wrote in message
:

No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in
the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I
switched
applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are
the
points Im trying to make.

"Jezebel" wrote:

Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would
understand
why it is doing what it is doing.



"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
And my other points.....do you have a response to them?

"Jezebel" wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I
invested
time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it
is
doing
what
it is doing.

You said it.

I am pretty sure that there is enough Word knowledge in this newsgroup
to explain every situation you are encountering, if you provide clear
reproduction steps, meaning what you did exactly and what happened then.
It is important to provide the slightest details for that. As your
issues seemed to be focused around indentation, individual keystrokes
matter.

The experts in this newsgroup helping everyone include a lot of the
authors that write the Word books, consultants who earn a living just
from Word, etc. There are also quite a few people in here who are
members of the Office 2007 Technical Beta Community. If there is
something you are experiencing that still behaves the same in Word 2007
and no one can provide an explanation for, a member of the tech beta can
easily get an answer from Microsoft on that. I for example did that a
week or so ago on an issue and within a day had a reply from Microsoft
explaining why something quite weird was happening.

So in short...There is an explanation for everything and the people in
this newsgroup either know it already or will make an effort to find it
out. Give us a good explanation what you are exactly seeing and it is
probably a good idea to first educate yourself on some of the basic
stuff related to the issues as well.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

"Word Hater" wrote in message
:

Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is
going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I
have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to
answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only
direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know
better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the
conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I
severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to
you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag.

I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as
without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for
them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my
frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of
software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times.

As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a
software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life
critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years
I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word )
whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm
just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most
amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of
Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out
silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software
house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The
fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse.

And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the
truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the
world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the
advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the
point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'.
There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows,
but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS
bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd
like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great.

Hope I've cleared things up, angry people.



"Jezebel" wrote:

You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect
answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last
night?


"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get
to
the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters
simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you
want, that is a bug.

No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one.
My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in
the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles
that
make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition
it
also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no
reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have
no
control over these problems.

Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive,
hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all
manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its
crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been
using
it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company
can
write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu
intesive
things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and
Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!?

MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change
this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how
to
do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its
un-intuitiveness.

ha.

"Patrick Schmid" wrote:

Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't
even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you
came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be
extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with
a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do
things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive
audience.


"Word Hater" wrote in message
:

No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in
the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I
switched
applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are
the
points Im trying to make.

"Jezebel" wrote:

Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would
understand
why it is doing what it is doing.



"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
And my other points.....do you have a response to them?

"Jezebel" wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I
invested
time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it
is
doing
what
it is doing.

You said it.

G'day Word Hater ,

Troll. You came here to direct venom in a place designed, and used
for, assisting users.

Steve Hudson - Word Heretic

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
Without prejudice


Word Hater reckoned:

Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is
going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I
have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to
answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only
direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know
better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the
conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I
severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to
you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag.

I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as
without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for
them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my
frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of
software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times.

As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a
software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life
critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years
I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word )
whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm
just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most
amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of
Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out
silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software
house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The
fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse.

And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the
truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the
world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the
advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the
point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'.
There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows,
but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS
bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd
like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great.

Hope I've cleared things up, angry people.



"Jezebel" wrote:

You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect
answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last
night?


"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get
to
the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters
simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you
want, that is a bug.

No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one.
My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in
the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles
that
make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition
it
also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no
reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have
no
control over these problems.

Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive,
hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all
manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its
crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been
using
it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company
can
write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu
intesive
things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and
Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!?

MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change
this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how
to
do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its
un-intuitiveness.

ha.

"Patrick Schmid" wrote:

Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't
even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you
came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be
extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with
a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do
things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive
audience.


"Word Hater" wrote in message
:

No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in
the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I
switched
applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are
the
points Im trying to make.

"Jezebel" wrote:

Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would
understand
why it is doing what it is doing.



"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
And my other points.....do you have a response to them?

"Jezebel" wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I
invested
time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it
is
doing
what
it is doing.

You said it.

I understand. I was a WordPerfect user until the company made us switch to
Word in 1998. I went kicking and screaming. The 1998 version of WordPerfect
is still ahead of Word.
Use WordPerfect and convert it to Word.
I get very frustrated with the Word's unfriendliness. Most of the users
that say you just need to 'learn Word' are correct. If you want to know
Word, you have to study it.
WordPerfect is so intuitive you can do three times as much without having to
'learn' in.
Using Word, but would prefer not to.
--
Frances


"Word Hater" wrote:

Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have used is
going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion. However, I
have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them to
answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The only
direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should know
better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the
conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the case I
severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down to
you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead' tag.

I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as
without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult for
them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my
frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy bit of
software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times.

As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a
software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a life
critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the years
I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word )
whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...). I'm
just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the most
amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history of
Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron out
silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little software
house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues. The
fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse.

And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from the
truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the
world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything like the
advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see the
point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look 'cool'.
There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with windows,
but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any MS
bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down, I'd
like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great.

Hope I've cleared things up, angry people.



"Jezebel" wrote:

You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect
answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed last
night?


"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets get
to
the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to letters
simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the books you
want, that is a bug.

No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont expect one.
My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software producers in
the world and its still releases software with bugs and little niggles
that
make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In addition
it
also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for no
reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would have
no
control over these problems.

Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu intensive,
hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do all
manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times its
crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive been
using
it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish company
can
write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu
intesive
things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever and
Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is there?!?

MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can change
this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know how
to
do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its
un-intuitiveness.

ha.

"Patrick Schmid" wrote:

Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who hasn't
even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude you
came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be
extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back with
a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to do
things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive
audience.


"Word Hater" wrote in message
:

No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in
the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I
switched
applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are
the
points Im trying to make.

"Jezebel" wrote:

Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would
understand
why it is doing what it is doing.



"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
And my other points.....do you have a response to them?

"Jezebel" wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I
invested
time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it
is
doing
what
it is doing.

You said it.

I ran kicking and screaming from WordPerfect as soon as possible after
starting to use Word. There are some things I still miss in WordPerfect, but
Word is much more intuitive FOR ME. I think which one you prefer depends
entirely on your own personality and style, though also, to a large extent,
which you started with.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Franco" wrote in message
...
I understand. I was a WordPerfect user until the company made us switch
to
Word in 1998. I went kicking and screaming. The 1998 version of
WordPerfect
is still ahead of Word.
Use WordPerfect and convert it to Word.
I get very frustrated with the Word's unfriendliness. Most of the users
that say you just need to 'learn Word' are correct. If you want to know
Word, you have to study it.
WordPerfect is so intuitive you can do three times as much without having
to
'learn' in.
Using Word, but would prefer not to.
--
Frances


"Word Hater" wrote:

Granted, 'storming in' here with a the subject and handle that I have
used is
going to raise a few people's backs and cause a little comotion.
However, I
have not directly offended anyone on this thread. I have challenged them
to
answer some of my questions, but this is mere discussion and debate. The
only
direct target of my venom is a collusal software company that should
know
better. If you are offended by my comments then I can only come to the
conclusion that you are one of the developers of Word. This being the
case I
severely doubt that all the problems that I am having with Word are down
to
you. My point in all this being, Jez, is that I resent the 'dickhead'
tag.

I do not expect answers as to why these things are happening either as
without people seeing it for themselves, its going to be very difficult
for
them to provide an answer anyway. I am merely venting a little of my
frustration and would like some exceptance that Word is quite a buggy
bit of
software and it can be quite un-intuitive at times.

As Patrick quite rightly states, no software is bug-free and being a
software developer myself I can fully appreciate this. MS Word is not a
life
critical piece of software (although you could argue it is as over the
years
I have had moments where I've wanted to end it all, thanks to Word )
whereas Nasa's software most likely is (I wonder if they use Word...).
I'm
just saying that a software company like Microsoft that probably has the
most
amount of time, money and resources in the world, plus a version history
of
Word spanning over a decade or two, you'd think they'd be able to iron
out
silly little bugs like the ones I'm seeing. If it were a tiny little
software
house or bit of freeware, I would have no problems with these issues.
The
fact that its Microsoft means that there's no excuse.

And before you think I'm a Microsoft basher, you couldnt be further from
the
truth. I believe Microsoft is one of the most important companies in the
world today and if it wasnt for them we wouldnt be enjoying anything
like the
advancement in home and professional PC usage we see today. I can't see
the
point in Macs other than a marketing tool to get computing to look
'cool'.
There's nothing you can do on a mac that you cant do on a PC with
windows,
but this is a whole new debate I dont even want to start. So before any
MS
bods monitoring this thread get my real identity and burn my house down,
I'd
like to say that Im only unhappy with Word. The rest is great.

Hope I've cleared things up, angry people.



"Jezebel" wrote:

You storm in, announce to the world that you're a dickhead, and expect
answer from the people you abuse? Gee, did the dog fart in your bed
last
night?


"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
Im not gonna give up here. Yeah my attitude is a bit whiffy but lets
get
to
the point. Tell me why it changed all my headings from numbers to
letters
simply by switching applications. Im sorry, but give me all the
books you
want, that is a bug.

No one has given me an answer for why that happened and I dont
expect one.
My point is, is that Microsoft is one of the biggest software
producers in
the world and its still releases software with bugs and little
niggles
that
make you scratch your head or scream vulgar obsenities at it. In
addition
it
also crashes a fair bit and corrupts the odd file now and again for
no
reason. As I have repeated, I could be an expert in Word but I would
have
no
control over these problems.

Look at Propellerhead software's Reason. Its a real-time, cpu
intensive,
hardware emulating sythesizer and music sequencer package. It can do
all
manner of ridiculous things all at once. Do you know how many times
its
crashed or acted in a way that confused me in the last 3 years Ive
been
using
it? None. True, its not a word processor, but if a small Sweedish
company
can
write software that can manage to do all these very techinical, cpu
intesive
things all at once without dropping a single note or crashing ever
and
Microsoft having trouble 'displaying a bit of text' what hope is
there?!?

MS Word IS buggy. It IS un-intuitive. No amount of reading up can
change
this. The fact that you suggest I should have to read a book to know
how
to
do these, lets face it, very basic tasks, only highlights its
un-intuitiveness.

ha.

"Patrick Schmid" wrote:

Your points are too generic and obviously come from someone who
hasn't
even tried to understand how Word works. Combined with the attitude
you
came in here, I don't think that many people here are going to be
extremely willing to refute every single detailed point. Come back
with
a different name and an attitude that searches for help on how to
do
things instead of blasting Word, and you'll find a more receptive
audience.


"Word Hater" wrote in message
:

No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said
in
the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when
I
switched
applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times?
These are
the
points Im trying to make.

"Jezebel" wrote:

Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you
would
understand
why it is doing what it is doing.



"Word Hater" wrote in
message
...
And my other points.....do you have a response to them?

"Jezebel" wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe
if I
invested
time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand
why it
is
doing
what
it is doing.

You said it.

[gm.blgr7]

Word Hater,
There are several things you could try.
* Several settings in Word Options could be changed such as pasting options (I use "Match destination formatting") under the Advanced tab.
*Adjust settings using the Settings button in the Cut, copy, and paste section (in the Advanced tab). Try unchecking the "Smart style behavior" checkbox.
* When you want to continue a numbering scheme there must be a hard return after the previous line. Try going to the end of the last correctly numbered line, delete everything up to the next line and then hit Return.
* If you want to change how numbers or bullets are formatted versus using the default in Word, you'll need to define a new bullet or numbering scheme for that document.
* Try working in Outline view and adjust the indents that way.

I hope that helps but you might find that taking a class would save so much time and headache.

Originally Posted by Word Hater

No, you've completed avoided my points and repeated what you said in the
first place. What about when it changed my heading numbering when I switched
applications? What about it being very un-intuitive at times? These are the
points Im trying to make.

"Jezebel" wrote:

Yes: invest time to learn a bit more about indentation you would understand
why it is doing what it is doing.



"Word Hater" wrote in message
...
And my other points.....do you have a response to them?

"Jezebel" wrote:


I'm sorry if I'm coming across as bitter but I am. Maybe if I invested
time
to learn a bit more about indentation I would understand why it is
doing
what
it is doing.

You said it.

[Swish77]

Originally Posted by gm.blgr7

Word Hater,
There are several things you could try.
* Several settings in Word Options could be changed such as pasting options (I use "Match destination formatting") under the Advanced tab.
*Adjust settings using the Settings button in the Cut, copy, and paste section (in the Advanced tab). Try unchecking the "Smart style behavior" checkbox.
* When you want to continue a numbering scheme there must be a hard return after the previous line. Try going to the end of the last correctly numbered line, delete everything up to the next line and then hit Return.
* If you want to change how numbers or bullets are formatted versus using the default in Word, you'll need to define a new bullet or numbering scheme for that document.
* Try working in Outline view and adjust the indents that way.

I hope that helps but you might find that taking a class would save so much time and headache.

I see this guy has been (understandably) thrown under the bus for having a scandalous post title and name, but is he wrong?

I have been writing documents for 15 years. I used to use QuarkXPress, and had virtually unlimited control over my documents. In 2002, I was forced to learn word. Since then, it feels like few years I come up against this very same problem in Word: multi-level lists and styles (whatever you want to call it) simply do not work, well, at all.

I've done the research, read Shauna Kelley's blog, and others, for like the 3rd time, at the 3rd company. I created styles based on no styles. I defined a custom multi-level list. Then I went to modify the font, or whatever, in one of my styles, and poof! I've wasted the better part of a day going back and forth between my heading style and my multi-level list style.

Every time I go back into my custom heading one style, it's indent has been magically changed from (no style) to hanging .75"s

Likewise, if I touch the heading style, then look at my multi-level list style, all of the lists have been magically disconnected from the heading styles I've painstakingly connected them to.

What is frustrating is to be somewhat of a (non-MVP) expert, do the research, be careful, and conscientious, and still have these problems. And when I research these problems, it appears they've existed since before 2007.

How hard can this be for word to get right?

All I want to do is create a requirements document with 1 to 1.1.1.1.etc numbering, and control precisely how the text lines up. I use non-numbered text (separate style) below my numbered text, and I like to left align these as well.