[debo]

on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states non-commerical use.
what does that mean?

[Tom [Pepper] Willett[_2_]]

It means you can't use it for business purposes...only for personal use that
has nothing to do with a business or commercial use.

"debo" wrote in message
news : on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states non-commerical
use.
: what does that mean?

[Reitanos]

It means you have the Home/Student version that can be installed in a
personal computer, but not the commercial version that would be
required to install in a business computer.

On Jan 21, 4:45*pm, debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states non-commerical use. *
what does that mean?

[JoAnn Paules]

Not just a business computer, but any computer that is being used for work -
including non-profit work.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Reitanos" wrote in message
...
It means you have the Home/Student version that can be installed in a
personal computer, but not the commercial version that would be
required to install in a business computer.

On Jan 21, 4:45 pm, debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states non-commerical
use.
what does that mean?

[Terry Farrell]

JoAnn

I consider writing a letter home as WORK (a nasty four-lettered word), so
can I still use H&S version?

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
Not just a business computer, but any computer that is being used for
work - including non-profit work.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Reitanos" wrote in message
...
It means you have the Home/Student version that can be installed in a
personal computer, but not the commercial version that would be
required to install in a business computer.

On Jan 21, 4:45 pm, debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states non-commerical
use.
what does that mean?

[Jim Vaught]

Does that include an author writing a book or article that he hopes to sell?

"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Not just a business computer, but any computer that is being used for work -
including non-profit work.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Reitanos" wrote in message
...
It means you have the Home/Student version that can be installed in a
personal computer, but not the commercial version that would be
required to install in a business computer.

On Jan 21, 4:45 pm, debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states non-commerical
use.
what does that mean?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

If it does, it shouldn't (especially since very few published authors make
any appreciable profit on their books).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Jim Vaught" wrote in message
...
Does that include an author writing a book or article that he hopes to
sell?

"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Not just a business computer, but any computer that is being used for
work -
including non-profit work.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Reitanos" wrote in message
...
It means you have the Home/Student version that can be installed in a
personal computer, but not the commercial version that would be
required to install in a business computer.

On Jan 21, 4:45 pm, debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states non-commerical
use.
what does that mean?

[Jim Vaught]

Well, that's what I would think as well, but technically, if you're writing
something in hopes of selling it, that's business.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If it does, it shouldn't (especially since very few published authors make
any appreciable profit on their books).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Jim Vaught" wrote in message
...
Does that include an author writing a book or article that he hopes to
sell?

"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Not just a business computer, but any computer that is being used for
work -
including non-profit work.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Reitanos" wrote in message
...
It means you have the Home/Student version that can be installed in a
personal computer, but not the commercial version that would be
required to install in a business computer.

On Jan 21, 4:45 pm, debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states non-commerical
use.
what does that mean?

[JoAnn Paules]

I don't like to disagree with Suzanne but this time I have to. If you are an
author, your work product is commercial.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"


"Jim Vaught" wrote in message
...
Does that include an author writing a book or article that he hopes to
sell?

"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Not just a business computer, but any computer that is being used for
work -
including non-profit work.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Reitanos" wrote in message
...
It means you have the Home/Student version that can be installed in a
personal computer, but not the commercial version that would be
required to install in a business computer.

On Jan 21, 4:45 pm, debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states non-commerical
use.
what does that mean?

[JoAnn Paules]

Hmmmm, are you asking Mummy and Daddy for money? That letter might be
construed as a business negotiation.

Nasty four-letter words to me are IRON, DUST, WASH............shudder!

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"


"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
JoAnn

I consider writing a letter home as WORK (a nasty four-lettered word), so
can I still use H&S version?

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
Not just a business computer, but any computer that is being used for
work - including non-profit work.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Reitanos" wrote in message
...
It means you have the Home/Student version that can be installed in a
personal computer, but not the commercial version that would be
required to install in a business computer.

On Jan 21, 4:45 pm, debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states non-commerical
use.
what does that mean?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

You are not an "author" until you are published. Until then you are just a
"writer." And if you don't get paid for writing, then your writing is not
"commercial."

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"JoAnn Paules" wrote in message
...
I don't like to disagree with Suzanne but this time I have to. If you are
an author, your work product is commercial.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"


"Jim Vaught" wrote in message
...
Does that include an author writing a book or article that he hopes to
sell?

"JoAnn Paules" wrote:

Not just a business computer, but any computer that is being used for
work -
including non-profit work.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
Tech Editor for "Microsoft Publisher 2007 For Dummies"



"Reitanos" wrote in message
...
It means you have the Home/Student version that can be installed in a
personal computer, but not the commercial version that would be
required to install in a business computer.

On Jan 21, 4:45 pm, debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states
non-commerical
use.
what does that mean?

[Graham Mayor]

Without further clarification, which is not forthcoming, the term is so
vague as to cover anything you might reasonably use the software for.

*Limitations on Use. The software is not licensed for use in any commercial,
non-profit or revenue-generating business activities.*

So what does commercial mean?

Commercial
1: Of or pertaining to commerce; carrying on or occupied with commerce or
trade; mercantile; as, commercial advantages; commercial relations.
2: a commercially sponsored ad on radio or television
3: connected with or engaged in or sponsored by or used in commerce or
commercial enterprises; "commercial trucker"; "commercial TV"; "commercial
diamonds"
4: of the kind or quality used in commerce; average or inferior; "commercial
grade of beef"; "commercial oxalic acid"
5: of or relating to commercialism; "a commercial attaché"; "commercial
paper"; "commercial law"

So taking the first of those definitions:

Commerce
1: The exchange or buying and selling of commodities; esp. the exchange of
merchandise, on a large scale, between different places or communities;
extended trade or traffic.
2: Social intercourse; the dealings of one person or class in society with
another; familiarity.
3: Sexual intercourse.
4: A round game at cards, in which the cards are subject to exchange,
barter, or trade.
5: To carry on trade; to traffic.
6: To hold intercourse; to commune.
7: transactions (sales and purchases) having the objective of supplying
commodities (goods and services)
8: social exchange, especially of opinions, attitudes, etc.
9: the United States federal department that promotes and administers
domestic and foreign trade (including management of the census and the
patent office); created in 1913

Then if we include 'business' which is the other part of the clause:

Business
1: That which busies one, or that which engages the time, attention, or
labor of any one, as his principal concern or interest, whether for a longer
or shorter time; constant employment; regular occupation; as, the business
of life; business before pleasure.
2: Any particular occupation or employment engaged in for livelihood or
gain, as agriculture, trade, art, or a profession.
3: Financial dealings; buying and selling; traffic in general; mercantile
transactions.
4: That which one has to do or should do; special service, duty, or mission.
5: Affair; concern; matter; used in an indefinite sense, and modified by the
connected words.
6: The position, distribution, and order of persons and properties on the
stage of a theater, as determined by the stage manager in rehearsal.
7: Care; anxiety; diligence.
8: Incidental activity performed by an actor for dramatic effect; "his
business with the cane was hilarious"
9: The principal activity in your life that you do to earn money; "he''s not
in my line of business"
10: The activity of providing goods and services involving financial and
commercial and industrial aspects; "computers are now widely used in
business"
11: The volume of business activity; "business is good today"; "show me
where the business was today"
12: A rightful concern or responsibility; "it''s none of your business";
"mind your own business"
13: An immediate objective; "gossip was the main business of the evening"
14: Business concerns collectively; "Government and business could not
agree"
15: A commercial or industrial enterprise and the people who constitute it;
"he bought his brother's business"; "a small mom-and-pop business"; "a
racially integrated business concern"
16: Customers collectively; "they have an upper class clientele"

It covers just about any communication you may make, so whatever you use the
software for you *could* find yourself in breach of the EULA. The definition
may have different meanings in different English speaking countries - the
definitions here taken from an American dictionary.

Once the document is written and printed, the printed copy does not contain
any evidence whatsoever concerning the software that created it, so I would
suggest that the clause is included to keep the lawyers employed and to
reduce complaints from those who have paid the full price for software that
does allow 'comercial/business' activities.


--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states
non-commerical use. what does that mean?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Not to mention that "nonprofit" (even if interpreted as "not-for-profit")
sticks out like a sore thumb, being the opposite of "commercial" and
"revenue-generating." Practically everything I use my computer for is
nonprofit. I agree with your assessment.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Without further clarification, which is not forthcoming, the term is so
vague as to cover anything you might reasonably use the software for.

*Limitations on Use. The software is not licensed for use in any
commercial, non-profit or revenue-generating business activities.*

So what does commercial mean?

Commercial
1: Of or pertaining to commerce; carrying on or occupied with commerce or
trade; mercantile; as, commercial advantages; commercial relations.
2: a commercially sponsored ad on radio or television
3: connected with or engaged in or sponsored by or used in commerce or
commercial enterprises; "commercial trucker"; "commercial TV"; "commercial
diamonds"
4: of the kind or quality used in commerce; average or inferior;
"commercial grade of beef"; "commercial oxalic acid"
5: of or relating to commercialism; "a commercial attaché"; "commercial
paper"; "commercial law"

So taking the first of those definitions:

Commerce
1: The exchange or buying and selling of commodities; esp. the exchange of
merchandise, on a large scale, between different places or communities;
extended trade or traffic.
2: Social intercourse; the dealings of one person or class in society with
another; familiarity.
3: Sexual intercourse.
4: A round game at cards, in which the cards are subject to exchange,
barter, or trade.
5: To carry on trade; to traffic.
6: To hold intercourse; to commune.
7: transactions (sales and purchases) having the objective of supplying
commodities (goods and services)
8: social exchange, especially of opinions, attitudes, etc.
9: the United States federal department that promotes and administers
domestic and foreign trade (including management of the census and the
patent office); created in 1913

Then if we include 'business' which is the other part of the clause:

Business
1: That which busies one, or that which engages the time, attention, or
labor of any one, as his principal concern or interest, whether for a
longer or shorter time; constant employment; regular occupation; as, the
business of life; business before pleasure.
2: Any particular occupation or employment engaged in for livelihood or
gain, as agriculture, trade, art, or a profession.
3: Financial dealings; buying and selling; traffic in general; mercantile
transactions.
4: That which one has to do or should do; special service, duty, or
mission.
5: Affair; concern; matter; used in an indefinite sense, and modified by
the connected words.
6: The position, distribution, and order of persons and properties on the
stage of a theater, as determined by the stage manager in rehearsal.
7: Care; anxiety; diligence.
8: Incidental activity performed by an actor for dramatic effect; "his
business with the cane was hilarious"
9: The principal activity in your life that you do to earn money; "he''s
not in my line of business"
10: The activity of providing goods and services involving financial and
commercial and industrial aspects; "computers are now widely used in
business"
11: The volume of business activity; "business is good today"; "show me
where the business was today"
12: A rightful concern or responsibility; "it''s none of your business";
"mind your own business"
13: An immediate objective; "gossip was the main business of the evening"
14: Business concerns collectively; "Government and business could not
agree"
15: A commercial or industrial enterprise and the people who constitute
it; "he bought his brother's business"; "a small mom-and-pop business"; "a
racially integrated business concern"
16: Customers collectively; "they have an upper class clientele"

It covers just about any communication you may make, so whatever you use
the software for you *could* find yourself in breach of the EULA. The
definition may have different meanings in different English speaking
countries - the definitions here taken from an American dictionary.

Once the document is written and printed, the printed copy does not
contain any evidence whatsoever concerning the software that created it,
so I would suggest that the clause is included to keep the lawyers
employed and to reduce complaints from those who have paid the full price
for software that does allow 'comercial/business' activities.


--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org



debo wrote:
on top of all the MS Office 2007 (word, excel) it states
non-commerical use. what does that mean?