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Footnote numbering and Section breaks
I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP
Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently
for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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Clarification:
The workaround I described does not fix the underlying problem: that numbering is restarted where you don't want it to restart. Instead it provides a way to manually create a separate set of numbers or perhaps letters which is for the table only. Assuming that the table is the only item on the landscape page, you could easily type footnote numbers manually and type the footnote text in the bottom row (merge the cells and hide the borders). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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Dear Stefan,
Thanks for your suggestion. First, am I correct in understanding you to say that this is a real glitch in Word, or has it been corrected in later versions? If not, might I suggest that this be forwarded to the appropriate people? Second, as to your suggestion for getting around the problem: I don't think you've quite got the extent of the problem, since it doesn't refer simply to this one page (the table). Unfortunately, there are 60 out of sequence footnotes in the chapter that come AFTER the landscape page, so manually inserting "quasi-footnotes" at the bottom of each of these pages using superscripts is unfeasible. Apart from the amout of time this would require to ensure formatting is maintained, the chapter would also loose the identifying marks of footnotes: i.e., the half line for complete footnotes above it (dividing it from the main text) or full line for continued comments from the previous page. All up, this would be very messy and not worth the effort. Can you think of any other alternative? With sincere thanks, Richard. "Stefan Blom" wrote: Clarification: The workaround I described does not fix the underlying problem: that numbering is restarted where you don't want it to restart. Instead it provides a way to manually create a separate set of numbers or perhaps letters which is for the table only. Assuming that the table is the only item on the landscape page, you could easily type footnote numbers manually and type the footnote text in the bottom row (merge the cells and hide the borders). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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My point was that manually adding "fake" footnotes in the landscape
section would enable you to set the "Restart on each section" option (for the document), which should fix the numbering for the real footnotes. Are you saying that numbering doesn't work even if you set this option? Has it ever worked correctly in this document? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... Dear Stefan, Thanks for your suggestion. First, am I correct in understanding you to say that this is a real glitch in Word, or has it been corrected in later versions? If not, might I suggest that this be forwarded to the appropriate people? Second, as to your suggestion for getting around the problem: I don't think you've quite got the extent of the problem, since it doesn't refer simply to this one page (the table). Unfortunately, there are 60 out of sequence footnotes in the chapter that come AFTER the landscape page, so manually inserting "quasi-footnotes" at the bottom of each of these pages using superscripts is unfeasible. Apart from the amout of time this would require to ensure formatting is maintained, the chapter would also loose the identifying marks of footnotes: i.e., the half line for complete footnotes above it (dividing it from the main text) or full line for continued comments from the previous page. All up, this would be very messy and not worth the effort. Can you think of any other alternative? With sincere thanks, Richard. "Stefan Blom" wrote: Clarification: The workaround I described does not fix the underlying problem: that numbering is restarted where you don't want it to restart. Instead it provides a way to manually create a separate set of numbers or perhaps letters which is for the table only. Assuming that the table is the only item on the landscape page, you could easily type footnote numbers manually and type the footnote text in the bottom row (merge the cells and hide the borders). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this:
1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... My point was that manually adding "fake" footnotes in the landscape section would enable you to set the "Restart on each section" option (for the document), which should fix the numbering for the real footnotes. Are you saying that numbering doesn't work even if you set this option? Has it ever worked correctly in this document? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... Dear Stefan, Thanks for your suggestion. First, am I correct in understanding you to say that this is a real glitch in Word, or has it been corrected in later versions? If not, might I suggest that this be forwarded to the appropriate people? Second, as to your suggestion for getting around the problem: I don't think you've quite got the extent of the problem, since it doesn't refer simply to this one page (the table). Unfortunately, there are 60 out of sequence footnotes in the chapter that come AFTER the landscape page, so manually inserting "quasi-footnotes" at the bottom of each of these pages using superscripts is unfeasible. Apart from the amout of time this would require to ensure formatting is maintained, the chapter would also loose the identifying marks of footnotes: i.e., the half line for complete footnotes above it (dividing it from the main text) or full line for continued comments from the previous page. All up, this would be very messy and not worth the effort. Can you think of any other alternative? With sincere thanks, Richard. "Stefan Blom" wrote: Clarification: The workaround I described does not fix the underlying problem: that numbering is restarted where you don't want it to restart. Instead it provides a way to manually create a separate set of numbers or perhaps letters which is for the table only. Assuming that the table is the only item on the landscape page, you could easily type footnote numbers manually and type the footnote text in the bottom row (merge the cells and hide the borders). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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Dear all,
Thanks, Suzanne. You clearly understand my problem, but alas, there seems to be no solution (given that moving the landscape page to the end of the chapter would badly interrupt the flow of the chapter). It is amazing to me that Word is unable to handle such a comparatively simple request: to restart footnotes at the end of each chapter and to have a single landscape page in the middle of one of them! Incidently, I would add that page numbering is also affected by the landscape page, but this CAN be manually over-riden quite easily. Should (and how should) this problem be brought to the attention of MS programmers, so it can be fixed for future editions of Word? So is this the end of the conversation, or are there any further suggestions? Thanks again, Richard. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this: 1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... My point was that manually adding "fake" footnotes in the landscape section would enable you to set the "Restart on each section" option (for the document), which should fix the numbering for the real footnotes. Are you saying that numbering doesn't work even if you set this option? Has it ever worked correctly in this document? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... Dear Stefan, Thanks for your suggestion. First, am I correct in understanding you to say that this is a real glitch in Word, or has it been corrected in later versions? If not, might I suggest that this be forwarded to the appropriate people? Second, as to your suggestion for getting around the problem: I don't think you've quite got the extent of the problem, since it doesn't refer simply to this one page (the table). Unfortunately, there are 60 out of sequence footnotes in the chapter that come AFTER the landscape page, so manually inserting "quasi-footnotes" at the bottom of each of these pages using superscripts is unfeasible. Apart from the amout of time this would require to ensure formatting is maintained, the chapter would also loose the identifying marks of footnotes: i.e., the half line for complete footnotes above it (dividing it from the main text) or full line for continued comments from the previous page. All up, this would be very messy and not worth the effort. Can you think of any other alternative? With sincere thanks, Richard. "Stefan Blom" wrote: Clarification: The workaround I described does not fix the underlying problem: that numbering is restarted where you don't want it to restart. Instead it provides a way to manually create a separate set of numbers or perhaps letters which is for the table only. Assuming that the table is the only item on the landscape page, you could easily type footnote numbers manually and type the footnote text in the bottom row (merge the cells and hide the borders). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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Well, now I get the problem (finally). Thank you for clarifying!
-- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this: 1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... My point was that manually adding "fake" footnotes in the landscape section would enable you to set the "Restart on each section" option (for the document), which should fix the numbering for the real footnotes. Are you saying that numbering doesn't work even if you set this option? Has it ever worked correctly in this document? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... Dear Stefan, Thanks for your suggestion. First, am I correct in understanding you to say that this is a real glitch in Word, or has it been corrected in later versions? If not, might I suggest that this be forwarded to the appropriate people? Second, as to your suggestion for getting around the problem: I don't think you've quite got the extent of the problem, since it doesn't refer simply to this one page (the table). Unfortunately, there are 60 out of sequence footnotes in the chapter that come AFTER the landscape page, so manually inserting "quasi-footnotes" at the bottom of each of these pages using superscripts is unfeasible. Apart from the amout of time this would require to ensure formatting is maintained, the chapter would also loose the identifying marks of footnotes: i.e., the half line for complete footnotes above it (dividing it from the main text) or full line for continued comments from the previous page. All up, this would be very messy and not worth the effort. Can you think of any other alternative? With sincere thanks, Richard. "Stefan Blom" wrote: Clarification: The workaround I described does not fix the underlying problem: that numbering is restarted where you don't want it to restart. Instead it provides a way to manually create a separate set of numbers or perhaps letters which is for the table only. Assuming that the table is the only item on the landscape page, you could easily type footnote numbers manually and type the footnote text in the bottom row (merge the cells and hide the borders). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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It's a really serious flaw that (like others in this area) severely limits
Word's use for any books with serious documentation. I'd be interested to know if Word 2007 shows any improvement in that regard. The addition of some new documentation features is promising, but if they haven't fixed these "bugs," the effort will be useless. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Well, now I get the problem (finally). Thank you for clarifying! -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this: 1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... My point was that manually adding "fake" footnotes in the landscape section would enable you to set the "Restart on each section" option (for the document), which should fix the numbering for the real footnotes. Are you saying that numbering doesn't work even if you set this option? Has it ever worked correctly in this document? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... Dear Stefan, Thanks for your suggestion. First, am I correct in understanding you to say that this is a real glitch in Word, or has it been corrected in later versions? If not, might I suggest that this be forwarded to the appropriate people? Second, as to your suggestion for getting around the problem: I don't think you've quite got the extent of the problem, since it doesn't refer simply to this one page (the table). Unfortunately, there are 60 out of sequence footnotes in the chapter that come AFTER the landscape page, so manually inserting "quasi-footnotes" at the bottom of each of these pages using superscripts is unfeasible. Apart from the amout of time this would require to ensure formatting is maintained, the chapter would also loose the identifying marks of footnotes: i.e., the half line for complete footnotes above it (dividing it from the main text) or full line for continued comments from the previous page. All up, this would be very messy and not worth the effort. Can you think of any other alternative? With sincere thanks, Richard. "Stefan Blom" wrote: Clarification: The workaround I described does not fix the underlying problem: that numbering is restarted where you don't want it to restart. Instead it provides a way to manually create a separate set of numbers or perhaps letters which is for the table only. Assuming that the table is the only item on the landscape page, you could easily type footnote numbers manually and type the footnote text in the bottom row (merge the cells and hide the borders). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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What a frustrating problem these page numbers are when you change from
one document portion to another. HOWEVER, there appears to be a work-around by formating the document as a "Master Document." You go to the "view" selection to set this up. Then you can at least redo pages for each section. I haven't checked it out for endnotes, but I suspect with some there are some work-arounds there. Check out in the topics aid: "Use the same formatting in the master document and subdocuments." I am using a Mac, MS Word 2002. If I could do images reasonably, I would go back to 5.1 for Word in a flash! Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: It's a really serious flaw that (like others in this area) severely limits Word's use for any books with serious documentation. I'd be interested to know if Word 2007 shows any improvement in that regard. The addition of some new documentation features is promising, but if they haven't fixed these "bugs," the effort will be useless. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Well, now I get the problem (finally). Thank you for clarifying! -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this: 1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... My point was that manually adding "fake" footnotes in the landscape section would enable you to set the "Restart on each section" option (for the document), which should fix the numbering for the real footnotes. Are you saying that numbering doesn't work even if you set this option? Has it ever worked correctly in this document? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... Dear Stefan, Thanks for your suggestion. First, am I correct in understanding you to say that this is a real glitch in Word, or has it been corrected in later versions? If not, might I suggest that this be forwarded to the appropriate people? Second, as to your suggestion for getting around the problem: I don't think you've quite got the extent of the problem, since it doesn't refer simply to this one page (the table). Unfortunately, there are 60 out of sequence footnotes in the chapter that come AFTER the landscape page, so manually inserting "quasi-footnotes" at the bottom of each of these pages using superscripts is unfeasible. Apart from the amout of time this would require to ensure formatting is maintained, the chapter would also loose the identifying marks of footnotes: i.e., the half line for complete footnotes above it (dividing it from the main text) or full line for continued comments from the previous page. All up, this would be very messy and not worth the effort. Can you think of any other alternative? With sincere thanks, Richard. "Stefan Blom" wrote: Clarification: The workaround I described does not fix the underlying problem: that numbering is restarted where you don't want it to restart. Instead it provides a way to manually create a separate set of numbers or perhaps letters which is for the table only. Assuming that the table is the only item on the landscape page, you could easily type footnote numbers manually and type the footnote text in the bottom row (merge the cells and hide the borders). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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Unfortunately, master documents are not likely to fix any problems. In
fact, they are more likely to cause problems. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RecoverMasterDocs.htm. What problems are you having with changing page numbering between sections? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... What a frustrating problem these page numbers are when you change from one document portion to another. HOWEVER, there appears to be a work-around by formating the document as a "Master Document." You go to the "view" selection to set this up. Then you can at least redo pages for each section. I haven't checked it out for endnotes, but I suspect with some there are some work-arounds there. Check out in the topics aid: "Use the same formatting in the master document and subdocuments." I am using a Mac, MS Word 2002. If I could do images reasonably, I would go back to 5.1 for Word in a flash! Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: It's a really serious flaw that (like others in this area) severely limits Word's use for any books with serious documentation. I'd be interested to know if Word 2007 shows any improvement in that regard. The addition of some new documentation features is promising, but if they haven't fixed these "bugs," the effort will be useless. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Well, now I get the problem (finally). Thank you for clarifying! -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this: 1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... My point was that manually adding "fake" footnotes in the landscape section would enable you to set the "Restart on each section" option (for the document), which should fix the numbering for the real footnotes. Are you saying that numbering doesn't work even if you set this option? Has it ever worked correctly in this document? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... Dear Stefan, Thanks for your suggestion. First, am I correct in understanding you to say that this is a real glitch in Word, or has it been corrected in later versions? If not, might I suggest that this be forwarded to the appropriate people? Second, as to your suggestion for getting around the problem: I don't think you've quite got the extent of the problem, since it doesn't refer simply to this one page (the table). Unfortunately, there are 60 out of sequence footnotes in the chapter that come AFTER the landscape page, so manually inserting "quasi-footnotes" at the bottom of each of these pages using superscripts is unfeasible. Apart from the amout of time this would require to ensure formatting is maintained, the chapter would also loose the identifying marks of footnotes: i.e., the half line for complete footnotes above it (dividing it from the main text) or full line for continued comments from the previous page. All up, this would be very messy and not worth the effort. Can you think of any other alternative? With sincere thanks, Richard. "Stefan Blom" wrote: Clarification: The workaround I described does not fix the underlying problem: that numbering is restarted where you don't want it to restart. Instead it provides a way to manually create a separate set of numbers or perhaps letters which is for the table only. Assuming that the table is the only item on the landscape page, you could easily type footnote numbers manually and type the footnote text in the bottom row (merge the cells and hide the borders). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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When I shifted my doc from footnotes to endnotes, pagination ended
where footnotes began. Having charts as an appendix was a problem as well. Three different paginations! I worked through the help suggestions, but until I looked at this website and then redid my "help" for the zillionth time, things finally clicked. I have not printed yet, but with a doc of about 100 pages, I expect things to be ok, given my preview. I have been locked into this dilemma for several months. Thanks for a website that has ideas. Stefan Blom wrote: Unfortunately, master documents are not likely to fix any problems. In fact, they are more likely to cause problems. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RecoverMasterDocs.htm. What problems are you having with changing page numbering between sections? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... What a frustrating problem these page numbers are when you change from one document portion to another. HOWEVER, there appears to be a work-around by formating the document as a "Master Document." You go to the "view" selection to set this up. Then you can at least redo pages for each section. I haven't checked it out for endnotes, but I suspect with some there are some work-arounds there. Check out in the topics aid: "Use the same formatting in the master document and subdocuments." I am using a Mac, MS Word 2002. If I could do images reasonably, I would go back to 5.1 for Word in a flash! Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: It's a really serious flaw that (like others in this area) severely limits Word's use for any books with serious documentation. I'd be interested to know if Word 2007 shows any improvement in that regard. The addition of some new documentation features is promising, but if they haven't fixed these "bugs," the effort will be useless. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Well, now I get the problem (finally). Thank you for clarifying! -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this: 1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... My point was that manually adding "fake" footnotes in the landscape section would enable you to set the "Restart on each section" option (for the document), which should fix the numbering for the real footnotes. Are you saying that numbering doesn't work even if you set this option? Has it ever worked correctly in this document? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... Dear Stefan, Thanks for your suggestion. First, am I correct in understanding you to say that this is a real glitch in Word, or has it been corrected in later versions? If not, might I suggest that this be forwarded to the appropriate people? Second, as to your suggestion for getting around the problem: I don't think you've quite got the extent of the problem, since it doesn't refer simply to this one page (the table). Unfortunately, there are 60 out of sequence footnotes in the chapter that come AFTER the landscape page, so manually inserting "quasi-footnotes" at the bottom of each of these pages using superscripts is unfeasible. Apart from the amout of time this would require to ensure formatting is maintained, the chapter would also loose the identifying marks of footnotes: i.e., the half line for complete footnotes above it (dividing it from the main text) or full line for continued comments from the previous page. All up, this would be very messy and not worth the effort. Can you think of any other alternative? With sincere thanks, Richard. "Stefan Blom" wrote: Clarification: The workaround I described does not fix the underlying problem: that numbering is restarted where you don't want it to restart. Instead it provides a way to manually create a separate set of numbers or perhaps letters which is for the table only. Assuming that the table is the only item on the landscape page, you could easily type footnote numbers manually and type the footnote text in the bottom row (merge the cells and hide the borders). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Even if Word 2002/2003 allows you to set endnote options differently for different sections, this simply doesn't work (as you've seen). Instead, for the table section, add the notes manually by typing them and formatting them as superscript. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Richard C" wrote in message ... I would really appreciate assistance with this one! I use Windows XP Professional and Word 2002. I have a four chapter document in which the footnotes are set to restart at the end of each chapter via the insertion of a section break. This works fine, but the problem comes with the insertion of a table mid way through one chapter that needs to be in landscape orientation. Because I want landscape to apply to this page alone, Word inserts a section break immediately above and below it (thereby isolating this page). This plays havoc with footnotes because it restarts them mid way through the chapter. Word will not allow me to manually over-ride this without messing up the rest of the document: i.e., when I tell it to number the first footnote after the landscape page #7 (instead of #1), it automatically changes the whole thesis from "restart each section" to "continuous". So Word will EITHER let me have "restart each section" OR override the footnote numbering on this page, BUT NOT BOTH! This seems to be a glitch in Word ... or am I missing something?? Richard. |
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Some late comments for Johns468:
I have no idea what this means: When I shifted my doc from footnotes to endnotes, pagination ended where footnotes began. But common problems with footnotes are addressed at this webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/footnotefaq.htm See if any of them help. Or describe the problem in more detail (it kinda sounds like you fixed it, but if the way you fixed it is by using Master Documents, that may lead to more problems later). There are also many useful links for long documents indexed he http://daiya.mvps.org/ You can't be using Word 2002 on a Mac. If you are using Word X, people do say Word 2004 is the closest to Word 5.1 of all the versions since, so you might consider upgrading, not that Word 2004 is perfect. If you think this might be a Mac-specific issue, there are MacOffice dedicated newsgroups, which might be helpful now or in the future. See here for Google/Entourage gateway to newsgroups for MacWord, MacExcel, and other MS programs for the Mac: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/community/community.aspx?pid=newsgroups On 8/29/06 5:56 AM, " wrote: When I shifted my doc from footnotes to endnotes, pagination ended where footnotes began. Having charts as an appendix was a problem as well. Three different paginations! I worked through the help suggestions, but until I looked at this website and then redid my "help" for the zillionth time, things finally clicked. I have not printed yet, but with a doc of about 100 pages, I expect things to be ok, given my preview. I have been locked into this dilemma for several months. Thanks for a website that has ideas. Stefan Blom wrote: Unfortunately, master documents are not likely to fix any problems. In fact, they are more likely to cause problems. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RecoverMasterDocs.htm. What problems are you having with changing page numbering between sections? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... What a frustrating problem these page numbers are when you change from one document portion to another. HOWEVER, there appears to be a work-around by formating the document as a "Master Document." You go to the "view" selection to set this up. Then you can at least redo pages for each section. I haven't checked it out for endnotes, but I suspect with some there are some work-arounds there. Check out in the topics aid: "Use the same formatting in the master document and subdocuments." I am using a Mac, MS Word 2002. If I could do images reasonably, I would go back to 5.1 for Word in a flash! |
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I think he means that there were no page numbers on the endnotes pages, or
that numbering restarted there. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message .. . Some late comments for Johns468: I have no idea what this means: When I shifted my doc from footnotes to endnotes, pagination ended where footnotes began. But common problems with footnotes are addressed at this webpage: http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/footnotefaq.htm See if any of them help. Or describe the problem in more detail (it kinda sounds like you fixed it, but if the way you fixed it is by using Master Documents, that may lead to more problems later). There are also many useful links for long documents indexed he http://daiya.mvps.org/ You can't be using Word 2002 on a Mac. If you are using Word X, people do say Word 2004 is the closest to Word 5.1 of all the versions since, so you might consider upgrading, not that Word 2004 is perfect. If you think this might be a Mac-specific issue, there are MacOffice dedicated newsgroups, which might be helpful now or in the future. See here for Google/Entourage gateway to newsgroups for MacWord, MacExcel, and other MS programs for the Mac: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/community/community.aspx?pid=newsgroups On 8/29/06 5:56 AM, " wrote: When I shifted my doc from footnotes to endnotes, pagination ended where footnotes began. Having charts as an appendix was a problem as well. Three different paginations! I worked through the help suggestions, but until I looked at this website and then redid my "help" for the zillionth time, things finally clicked. I have not printed yet, but with a doc of about 100 pages, I expect things to be ok, given my preview. I have been locked into this dilemma for several months. Thanks for a website that has ideas. Stefan Blom wrote: Unfortunately, master documents are not likely to fix any problems. In fact, they are more likely to cause problems. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RecoverMasterDocs.htm. What problems are you having with changing page numbering between sections? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP wrote in message oups.com... What a frustrating problem these page numbers are when you change from one document portion to another. HOWEVER, there appears to be a work-around by formating the document as a "Master Document." You go to the "view" selection to set this up. Then you can at least redo pages for each section. I haven't checked it out for endnotes, but I suspect with some there are some work-arounds there. Check out in the topics aid: "Use the same formatting in the master document and subdocuments." I am using a Mac, MS Word 2002. If I could do images reasonably, I would go back to 5.1 for Word in a flash! |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:07:10 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this: 1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). I suppose that the Word coders would claim that they have no way of telling which section breaks represent chapters, so they cannot restart per-chapter. It seems to me that they could fix this by adding a check box (and supporting code) for "restart footnote numbers on odd-page section break". Nobody is likely to need one in the middle of a chapter. They could also fix it by adding a "chapter break", which would be an odd-page break in wolf's clothing. That would be more work, though it would allow them to do other things if they were ambitious, such as have optional built-in "this page left blank" pages. Bob S. |
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They could also accomplish this by allowing users to decide when to restart
footnote/endnote numbering. As an example, if you use endnotes, you can "Suppress endnotes" for any given section, so that in the given example, you could collect the endnotes for Chapter 2 at the end of Section 4. A similar option to suppress restarting note numbering would do the trick. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob S" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:07:10 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this: 1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). I suppose that the Word coders would claim that they have no way of telling which section breaks represent chapters, so they cannot restart per-chapter. It seems to me that they could fix this by adding a check box (and supporting code) for "restart footnote numbers on odd-page section break". Nobody is likely to need one in the middle of a chapter. They could also fix it by adding a "chapter break", which would be an odd-page break in wolf's clothing. That would be more work, though it would allow them to do other things if they were ambitious, such as have optional built-in "this page left blank" pages. Bob S. |
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Or if the footnote options actually worked as advertised, so you could
set them per section. I believe someone said that it does work in Word 2007. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... They could also accomplish this by allowing users to decide when to restart footnote/endnote numbering. As an example, if you use endnotes, you can "Suppress endnotes" for any given section, so that in the given example, you could collect the endnotes for Chapter 2 at the end of Section 4. A similar option to suppress restarting note numbering would do the trick. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob S" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:07:10 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this: 1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). I suppose that the Word coders would claim that they have no way of telling which section breaks represent chapters, so they cannot restart per-chapter. It seems to me that they could fix this by adding a check box (and supporting code) for "restart footnote numbers on odd-page section break". Nobody is likely to need one in the middle of a chapter. They could also fix it by adding a "chapter break", which would be an odd-page break in wolf's clothing. That would be more work, though it would allow them to do other things if they were ambitious, such as have optional built-in "this page left blank" pages. Bob S. |
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I think you're right (about 2007); I do seem to recall that I cheered over
that one! -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Or if the footnote options actually worked as advertised, so you could set them per section. I believe someone said that it does work in Word 2007. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... They could also accomplish this by allowing users to decide when to restart footnote/endnote numbering. As an example, if you use endnotes, you can "Suppress endnotes" for any given section, so that in the given example, you could collect the endnotes for Chapter 2 at the end of Section 4. A similar option to suppress restarting note numbering would do the trick. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Bob S" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:07:10 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: No, Stefan, it won't work because what he's trying to do is this: 1. Chapter 1 begins with Section 1. Footnotes start at 1. 1. Chapter 2 begins with Section 2. Footnotes restart at 1. 2. There is a landscape table in the middle of the chapter. It is Section 3. 3. Chapter 2 resumes with a portrait section, Section 4; footnotes restart at 1. There is no way around this; you can either have footnotes numbered continuously throughout the document or restarted in each section; whenever you have a section break in the middle of a chapter, you have trouble. Beth Melton and I experimented with this at one time, and, even if you set the footnotes in Section 4 as continuous, they still start with the wrong number. One possible (but not ideal solution) would be to defer the landscape section to the end of the chapter; in that way at least the footnotes for the chapter would be continuous, and the footnotes for the table would be handled separately (either as real or as fake footnotes). I suppose that the Word coders would claim that they have no way of telling which section breaks represent chapters, so they cannot restart per-chapter. It seems to me that they could fix this by adding a check box (and supporting code) for "restart footnote numbers on odd-page section break". Nobody is likely to need one in the middle of a chapter. They could also fix it by adding a "chapter break", which would be an odd-page break in wolf's clothing. That would be more work, though it would allow them to do other things if they were ambitious, such as have optional built-in "this page left blank" pages. Bob S. |
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