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This should be easy, but I can't find out how to do it.

Say I have a style based on "Normal + Font". How do I remove the font
override so that it is once again based on the font specified by Normal? I
tried just blanking the font name, style, and size, but that just makes it
revert to the original values. The Default button at the bottom is greyed out
as well.
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Change the font to the one used by Normal.

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This should be easy, but I can't find out how to do it.

Say I have a style based on "Normal + Font". How do I remove the font
override so that it is once again based on the font specified by Normal? I
tried just blanking the font name, style, and size, but that just makes it
revert to the original values. The Default button at the bottom is greyed
out
as well.



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I knew it was simple, thanks. However, I also think it might not be the
correct way for this to be done, which is part of the reason I didn't think
of it...

In my mind, there is a distinct difference between "removing an override"
and "setting the override to the current default". The reason is that it can
lead to unsuspected behavior. Say I have a generic Heading style that I use
as a parent style, and I set a child Heading2 style to a different font size.
Just because I select the same font size as the parent does not necessarily
mean that I now want it to track the parent's changes.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Change the font to the one used by Normal.

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Not 100% sure what you're looking for... however, Ctrl+Space removes any
direct character formatting, while Ctrl+Q removes any direct paragraph
formatting.

There are essentially two style elements (ignoring list and table styles) at
any point--paragraph style and character style. Ctrl+Space resets the
character formatting so that the only formatting applied is supplied by the
current character style (whatever it might be, although it's usually Default
Paragraph Font). Ctrl+Q resets the paragraph formatting so that the only
paragraph formatting is supplied by the current paragraph style.

I suspect that Ctrl+Space is what you're looking for, but I found your
discussion a bit hard to follow. Hope this helps...

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"Zhiroc" wrote in message
...
I knew it was simple, thanks. However, I also think it might not be the
correct way for this to be done, which is part of the reason I didn't
think
of it...

In my mind, there is a distinct difference between "removing an override"
and "setting the override to the current default". The reason is that it
can
lead to unsuspected behavior. Say I have a generic Heading style that I
use
as a parent style, and I set a child Heading2 style to a different font
size.
Just because I select the same font size as the parent does not
necessarily
mean that I now want it to track the parent's changes.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Change the font to the one used by Normal.


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Is there a way to keep Ctrl-Space from being overridden by its meaning
in Windows Vista? It happens to be the keyboard shortcut that is
assigned automatically for switching to Chinese when the Chinese IME
is installed. (I couldn't figure out why I was suddenly getting
Chinese character input windows!) I set the keyboard shortcut to
(none) in the Regional & Language control panel, but it doesn't stick;
it always reverts to Chinese instead of Reset Char.

The list says that Ctrl-Shift-Z is also Reset Char.

On Feb 6, 7:37*pm, "Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote:
Not 100% sure what you're looking for... however, Ctrl+Space removes any
direct character formatting, while Ctrl+Q removes any direct paragraph
formatting.

There are essentially two style elements (ignoring list and table styles) at
any point--paragraph style and character style. Ctrl+Space resets the
character formatting so that the only formatting applied is supplied by the
current character style (whatever it might be, although it's usually Default
Paragraph Font). Ctrl+Q resets the paragraph formatting so that the only
paragraph formatting is supplied by the current paragraph style.

I suspect that Ctrl+Space is what you're looking for, but I found your
discussion a bit hard to follow. Hope this helps...

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog:http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web:http://www.herbtyson.com

"Zhiroc" wrote in message

...



I knew it was simple, thanks. However, I also think it might not be the
correct way for this to be done, which is part of the reason I didn't
think
of it...


In my mind, there is a distinct difference between "removing an override"
and "setting the override to the current default". The reason is that it
can
lead to unsuspected behavior. Say I have a generic Heading style that I
use
as a parent style, and I set a child Heading2 style to a different font
size.
Just because I select the same font size as the parent does not
necessarily
mean that I now want it to track the parent's changes.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


Change the font to the one used by Normal.-



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That's a new one on me. I use Vista, but haven't used the IME for Chinese (I
toyed with it a long time ago, but got rid of it after my need to have it
installed passed--I never encountered the Ctrl+Space problem--but my toying
with the IME lasted less than a day). So, I don't know the level at which
that is hardcoded when the IME is enabled--there are some things from other
languages that are too basic for Word itself to override, so the IME thing
might be too fundamental. You can, of course, reassign the ResetChar command
to another keystroke... It's already assigned to Ctrl+Shift+Z, as you point
out. Am I correct that that keystroke does not trigger the IME if Chinese is
enabled?

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Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog: http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web: http://www.herbtyson.com


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Is there a way to keep Ctrl-Space from being overridden by its meaning
in Windows Vista? It happens to be the keyboard shortcut that is
assigned automatically for switching to Chinese when the Chinese IME
is installed. (I couldn't figure out why I was suddenly getting
Chinese character input windows!) I set the keyboard shortcut to
(none) in the Regional & Language control panel, but it doesn't stick;
it always reverts to Chinese instead of Reset Char.

The list says that Ctrl-Shift-Z is also Reset Char.

On Feb 6, 7:37 pm, "Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote:
Not 100% sure what you're looking for... however, Ctrl+Space removes any
direct character formatting, while Ctrl+Q removes any direct paragraph
formatting.

There are essentially two style elements (ignoring list and table styles)
at
any point--paragraph style and character style. Ctrl+Space resets the
character formatting so that the only formatting applied is supplied by
the
current character style (whatever it might be, although it's usually
Default
Paragraph Font). Ctrl+Q resets the paragraph formatting so that the only
paragraph formatting is supplied by the current paragraph style.

I suspect that Ctrl+Space is what you're looking for, but I found your
discussion a bit hard to follow. Hope this helps...

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog:http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web:http://www.herbtyson.com

"Zhiroc" wrote in message

...



I knew it was simple, thanks. However, I also think it might not be the
correct way for this to be done, which is part of the reason I didn't
think
of it...


In my mind, there is a distinct difference between "removing an
override"
and "setting the override to the current default". The reason is that it
can
lead to unsuspected behavior. Say I have a generic Heading style that I
use
as a parent style, and I set a child Heading2 style to a different font
size.
Just because I select the same font size as the parent does not
necessarily
mean that I now want it to track the parent's changes.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


Change the font to the one used by Normal.-


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If you don't want a style to track a parent style, having created the style,
change the base style to 'no style' and it will be independent of the parent
style.

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Zhiroc wrote:
I knew it was simple, thanks. However, I also think it might not be
the correct way for this to be done, which is part of the reason I
didn't think of it...

In my mind, there is a distinct difference between "removing an
override" and "setting the override to the current default". The
reason is that it can lead to unsuspected behavior. Say I have a
generic Heading style that I use as a parent style, and I set a child
Heading2 style to a different font size. Just because I select the
same font size as the parent does not necessarily mean that I now
want it to track the parent's changes.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Change the font to the one used by Normal.



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I had to rush out this morning (coincidentally, to a Columbia U
symposium on Writing and Literacy in Early China) so I didn't have
time to check, but yes, Ctrl-Shift-Z _does_ remove Char formatting
without switching to Chinese.

Which brings me to another quirk I discovered the other day. Just for
fun, I wanted to see what happened if I used one of the 2007 default
paragraph styles (up there in the "Styles Gallery") -- the set called
"Paper" --, but it turns out Constantia doesn't have the accented
letters I needed (Latin-Extended A), so I Modified the Style to use
Gentium font. But when I used the underscore shortcut before and after
a word to be made italic, it made the word Bold Italic Constantia
instead of Italic Gentium!

There seems to be some sort of atavistic memory that you started out
with one of the preset style families even if you change its
characteristics.

On Feb 6, 11:22*pm, "Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote:
That's a new one on me. I use Vista, but haven't used the IME forChinese(I
toyed with it a long time ago, but got rid of it after my need to have it
installed passed--I never encountered the Ctrl+Space problem--but my toying
with the IME lasted less than a day). So, I don't know the level at which
that is hardcoded when the IME is enabled--there are some things from other
languages that are too basic for Word itself to override, so the IME thing
might be too fundamental. You can, of course, reassign the ResetChar command
to another keystroke... It's already assigned to Ctrl+Shift+Z, as you point
out. Am I correct that that keystroke does not trigger the IME ifChineseis
enabled?

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog:http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web:http://www.herbtyson.com

"grammatim" wrote in message

...
Is there a way to keep Ctrl-Space from being overridden by its meaning
in Windows Vista? It happens to be the keyboard shortcut that is
assigned automatically for switching toChinesewhen theChineseIME
is installed. (I couldn't figure out why I was suddenly gettingChinesecharacter input windows!) I set the keyboard shortcut to
(none) in the Regional & Language control panel, but it doesn't stick;
it always reverts toChineseinstead of Reset Char.

The list says that Ctrl-Shift-Z is also Reset Char.

On Feb 6, 7:37 pm, "Herb Tyson [MVP]" wrote:



Not 100% sure what you're looking for... however, Ctrl+Space removes any
direct character formatting, while Ctrl+Q removes any direct paragraph
formatting.


There are essentially two style elements (ignoring list and table styles)
at
any point--paragraph style and character style. Ctrl+Space resets the
character formatting so that the only formatting applied is supplied by
the
current character style (whatever it might be, although it's usually
Default
Paragraph Font). Ctrl+Q resets the paragraph formatting so that the only
paragraph formatting is supplied by the current paragraph style.


I suspect that Ctrl+Space is what you're looking for, but I found your
discussion a bit hard to follow. Hope this helps...


--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog:http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web:http://www.herbtyson.com


"Zhiroc" wrote in message


...


I knew it was simple, thanks. However, I also think it might not be the
correct way for this to be done, which is part of the reason I didn't
think
of it...


In my mind, there is a distinct difference between "removing an
override"
and "setting the override to the current default". The reason is that it
can
lead to unsuspected behavior. Say I have a generic Heading style that I
use
as a parent style, and I set a child Heading2 style to a different font
size.
Just because I select the same font size as the parent does not
necessarily
mean that I now want it to track the parent's changes.


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:


Change the font to the one used by Normal.--

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I knew it was simple, thanks. However, I also think it might not be the correct way for this to be done, which is part of the reason I didn't think of it...

In my mind, there is a distinct difference between "removing an override" and "setting the override to the current default". The reason is that it can lead to unsuspected behavior.
Yes, I thought it would be simple too, but the more I tried, the more stuff appeared below the preview. My goal was to change a Hyperlink style, so that it overrides only the underlining style and color.

I was able to make it work with the following steps (Office 2010):
1. Select some text you want to style
2. CTRL+Space to clear the character style
(this is also available as a button at Home » Styles » bottom right button » Style inspector / middle button at the bottom, which brings up a small dialog where you can clear each styling separately)
3. Make formatting changes in the document
4. Find the style you want in either Quick Styles or the Styles tool window.
5. Right click the style and Update from Match Selection
6. Double check that all, but your wanted formats are applied via Modify.

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