[Don Ellis]

I try to avoid the mouse as much as possible. Is there a way to select a
sentence or paragraph using just the keyboard?

And how can I create a single keystroke that inserts these three keystrokes
-- [space][en dash][space]?

Thank you.

Don

[Luc]

Don,
For the selection part, you could use F8, press three times for a sentence
four times for a paragraph.
For the second part, maybe use an AutoCorrect item. Type [space][en
dash][space select it, go to Tools- AutoCorrectoptions, type a unique
character in the replace box, paste your selection in the replace with box.

--
Luc Sanders
(MVP - PowerPoint)
"Don Ellis" schreef in bericht
...
I try to avoid the mouse as much as possible. Is there a way to select a
sentence or paragraph using just the keyboard?

And how can I create a single keystroke that inserts these three
keystrokes
-- [space][en dash][space]?

Thank you.

Don

[Lene Fredborg]

An additional comment:
It may take a little time getting used to F8 because it brings you into
extended selection mode. You need to press ESC to return to normal selection
mode (the current selection remains even if you press ESC). Note that you can
use Shift+F8 to reduce the selection, e.g. from paragraph to sentence to word.

Alternatively, you could use these macros and assign keyboard shortcuts to
them:

Public Sub SelectCurrentSentence()
'Selects the current sentence
Selection.Expand Unit:=wdSentence
End Sub

Public Sub SelectCurrentParagraph()
'selects current paragraph
Selection.Expand Unit:=wdParagraph
End Sub

If you need help on assigning shortcuts, see:
http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Custom...roToHotkey.htm

If you need help on installing macros, see;
http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm

--
Regards
Lene Fredborg
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Luc" wrote:

Don,
For the selection part, you could use F8, press three times for a sentence
four times for a paragraph.
For the second part, maybe use an AutoCorrect item. Type [space][en
dash][space select it, go to Tools- AutoCorrectoptions, type a unique
character in the replace box, paste your selection in the replace with box.

--
Luc Sanders
(MVP - PowerPoint)
"Don Ellis" schreef in bericht
...
I try to avoid the mouse as much as possible. Is there a way to select a
sentence or paragraph using just the keyboard?

And how can I create a single keystroke that inserts these three
keystrokes
-- [space][en dash][space]?

Thank you.

Don

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

If you have the appropriate AutoFormat As You Type settings enabled, then
typing [space][hyphen][space] will result in [space][en dash][space]. I'l
grant you this is three keystrokes, but it doesn't require use of the mouse,
and I don't see how the mouse comes into this equation at all, anyway; if
the problem if just the en dash, you can assign a keyboard shortcut to that.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...
I try to avoid the mouse as much as possible. Is there a way to select a
sentence or paragraph using just the keyboard?

And how can I create a single keystroke that inserts these three
keystrokes
-- [space][en dash][space]?

Thank you.

Don

[Lene Fredborg]

....and most likely, you already have a shortcut assigned to en dash:
Ctrl+Num -
(i.e. minus on the numeric keypad).

However, if you use e.g. a laptop without a numeric keypad, that shortcut
cannot be used.

--
Regards
Lene Fredborg
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If you have the appropriate AutoFormat As You Type settings enabled, then
typing [space][hyphen][space] will result in [space][en dash][space]. I'l
grant you this is three keystrokes, but it doesn't require use of the mouse,
and I don't see how the mouse comes into this equation at all, anyway; if
the problem if just the en dash, you can assign a keyboard shortcut to that.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...
I try to avoid the mouse as much as possible. Is there a way to select a
sentence or paragraph using just the keyboard?

And how can I create a single keystroke that inserts these three
keystrokes
-- [space][en dash][space]?

Thank you.

Don

[Don Ellis]

Hi Luc,

Thanks for pointing out the F8 selection technique, even though it's an
incredible nuisance (pressing 3 or 4 times and then needing Esc to get out of
that selection mode? Amazing...).

I've used WordPerfect for 20 years and one thing I like about it is the
convenience of setting what I consider basic keystrokes. Go to their keyboard
mapping and you find "Select Sentence" and "Select Paragraph" -- you then
just assign it to a key combination. It's something I wish Word would copy.

As for the [space][en dash][space], I might as well keep doing it the way
I'm doing it. There aren't any unique keystrokes I can think of that are less
trouble than Spacebar, Alt-/ for the en dash, and Spacebar.

I appreciate the input. Thanks again.

Don

"Luc" wrote:

Don,
For the selection part, you could use F8, press three times for a sentence
four times for a paragraph.
For the second part, maybe use an AutoCorrect item. Type [space][en
dash][space select it, go to Tools- AutoCorrectoptions, type a unique
character in the replace box, paste your selection in the replace with box.

--
Luc Sanders
(MVP - PowerPoint)

[Don Ellis]

Lene,

Thank you, for the the Esc warning and for the macros.

Making macros in Word is hardly intuitive. I was able to create
SelectCurrentSentence and assign it to Alt-S so I'm very pleased. That was
the one I was missing the most.

But when it came to creating SelectCurrentParagraph, I seem to only be able
to overwrite SelectCurrentSentence no matter what I do. I followed along the
linked instructions, but it seems I can only create a single macro. Oh, well,
I'm happy with that one.

Thanks very much... that one is great even if I never get another.

Don

"Lene Fredborg" wrote:

An additional comment:
It may take a little time getting used to F8 because it brings you into
extended selection mode. You need to press ESC to return to normal selection
mode (the current selection remains even if you press ESC). Note that you can
use Shift+F8 to reduce the selection, e.g. from paragraph to sentence to word.

Alternatively, you could use these macros and assign keyboard shortcuts to
them:

Public Sub SelectCurrentSentence()
'Selects the current sentence
Selection.Expand Unit:=wdSentence
End Sub

Public Sub SelectCurrentParagraph()
'selects current paragraph
Selection.Expand Unit:=wdParagraph
End Sub

If you need help on assigning shortcuts, see:
http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Custom...roToHotkey.htm

If you need help on installing macros, see;
http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm

--
Regards
Lene Fredborg
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word

[Don Ellis]

Hi Suzanne,

I do have AutoFormat As You Type set but I think you'll find that you need
to type [space][hyphen][hyphen][space] to get my en dash with bookend spaces,
rather than [space][hyphen][space] as you suggest.

I don't want to harp on WordPerfect too much but their keyboard mapping
allows you to assign keystrokes to a particular key combination, so you can
simply assign [space][en dash][space] to Ctrl-/, for example. Quick and easy
and no need for macros and multiple keystrokes.

With every new release of Word, I keep hoping they will pick up some tips
from other developers.

Speaking of which, why can't I create my own custom keyboard in Powerpoint
and Excel, so that Ctrl-Shft-S equals Save As in all of them. Perhaps because
Microsoft is too busy adding more exotica and not reviewing the basics.

By the way, the mouse doesn't come into my second question -- it was an
afterthought.

Cheers,

Don

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If you have the appropriate AutoFormat As You Type settings enabled, then
typing [space][hyphen][space] will result in [space][en dash][space]. I'l
grant you this is three keystrokes, but it doesn't require use of the mouse,
and I don't see how the mouse comes into this equation at all, anyway; if
the problem if just the en dash, you can assign a keyboard shortcut to that.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org

[Don Ellis]

After Lene got me thinking about Macros (and I figured out how to display the
Developer's Ribbon in Word 2007), I simply recorded a macro for [space][en
dash][space] and assigned it to Ctrl-/.

Happy now... (or I would be if I could create a SelectCurrentParagraph macro
in addition to my SelectCurrentSentence).

Thanks to all of you for your help.

Don

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

I am not in the habit of posting untested solutions. On my system,
[space][hyphen][space] does become [space][en dash][space] as advertised,
though not till after you finish typing the following word (that is, type
some text followed by a space or punctuation.

Although I don't think you can assign this particular combination to a
keystroke, you can accomplish many things with AutoCorrect (see
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/customizat...toCorrect.htm), and you can save
any amount of text as an AutoText entry, and AutoText entries can be
assigned keyboard shortcuts.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...

Hi Suzanne,

I do have AutoFormat As You Type set but I think you'll find that you need
to type [space][hyphen][hyphen][space] to get my en dash with bookend
spaces,
rather than [space][hyphen][space] as you suggest.

I don't want to harp on WordPerfect too much but their keyboard mapping
allows you to assign keystrokes to a particular key combination, so you
can
simply assign [space][en dash][space] to Ctrl-/, for example. Quick and
easy
and no need for macros and multiple keystrokes.

With every new release of Word, I keep hoping they will pick up some tips
from other developers.

Speaking of which, why can't I create my own custom keyboard in Powerpoint
and Excel, so that Ctrl-Shft-S equals Save As in all of them. Perhaps
because
Microsoft is too busy adding more exotica and not reviewing the basics.

By the way, the mouse doesn't come into my second question -- it was an
afterthought.

Cheers,

Don

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If you have the appropriate AutoFormat As You Type settings enabled,
then
typing [space][hyphen][space] will result in [space][en dash][space].
I'l
grant you this is three keystrokes, but it doesn't require use of the
mouse,
and I don't see how the mouse comes into this equation at all, anyway;
if
the problem if just the en dash, you can assign a keyboard shortcut to
that.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org

[Don Ellis]

Hi Suzanne,

My apologies... you are quite correct. I must not have begun typing the
following word before deciding it didn't work. And seeing the two hyphens
create an en dash, that just decided it for me.

I don't often visit here but when I do I see your name and your help
everywhere. Thank you very much for all that you do.

I ended up recording a macro for the keystrokes that works perfectly.

Thanks again.

Don


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I am not in the habit of posting untested solutions. On my system,
[space][hyphen][space] does become [space][en dash][space] as advertised,
though not till after you finish typing the following word (that is, type
some text followed by a space or punctuation.

Although I don't think you can assign this particular combination to a
keystroke, you can accomplish many things with AutoCorrect (see
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/customizat...toCorrect.htm), and you can save
any amount of text as an AutoText entry, and AutoText entries can be
assigned keyboard shortcuts.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...

Hi Suzanne,

I do have AutoFormat As You Type set but I think you'll find that you need
to type [space][hyphen][hyphen][space] to get my en dash with bookend
spaces,
rather than [space][hyphen][space] as you suggest.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

It was a little confusing to me at first that two hyphens surrounded by
spaces produce a spaced en dash, whereas two hyphens without spaces produce
an em dash without spaces, but, conveniently, these two results represent
the usage in the U.S. (em dash) and U.K. (spaced en dash), so it works out
nicely.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...

Hi Suzanne,

My apologies... you are quite correct. I must not have begun typing the
following word before deciding it didn't work. And seeing the two hyphens
create an en dash, that just decided it for me.

I don't often visit here but when I do I see your name and your help
everywhere. Thank you very much for all that you do.

I ended up recording a macro for the keystrokes that works perfectly.

Thanks again.

Don


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I am not in the habit of posting untested solutions. On my system,
[space][hyphen][space] does become [space][en dash][space] as
advertised,
though not till after you finish typing the following word (that is,
type
some text followed by a space or punctuation.

Although I don't think you can assign this particular combination to a
keystroke, you can accomplish many things with AutoCorrect (see
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/customizat...toCorrect.htm), and you can
save
any amount of text as an AutoText entry, and AutoText entries can be
assigned keyboard shortcuts.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...

Hi Suzanne,

I do have AutoFormat As You Type set but I think you'll find that you
need
to type [space][hyphen][hyphen][space] to get my en dash with bookend
spaces,
rather than [space][hyphen][space] as you suggest.

[Lene Fredborg]

I dont know exactly what you did to copy the macros and what went wrong. Try
this in order to copy the SelectCurrentParagraph macro:

In Word, press Alt+F11. This will bring you to the Visual Basic Editor (VBE)
that opens in a separate window.

I suppose you saved the first macro in your Normal.dot. Therefore, in the
left side of the VBE window, double-click Normal. Now you will see two
folders, €œMicrosoft Word Objects€� and €œModules€�. Double-click €œModules€�. Now
you will see the modules (containers for macros) found in your Normal.dot. If
you did not have any macros before yesterday, I think you will find only one
module named €œNewMacros€� - double-click that module. Now you should see the
€œSelectCurrentSentence€� macro plus the one you recorded (if you have more
modules, you can double-click them one by one to find your macros).

Copy the SelectCurrentParagraph macro from the newsgroup and paste it below
the other macros. In order to make sure that everything is correct, select
Debug (menu) Compile Normal - if any errors are found in the macros in
Normal.dot, an error message will appear - hopefully, everything is correct.
In order to save Normal.dot, you can press Ctrl+S in the VBE while Normal.dot
is still selected (you can always see in the title bar of the VBE window
which document/template and module you are working on.).

When finished, close the VBE window. You can now assign a shortcut to the
SelectCurrentParagraph macro.

Hope this helps - once you get familiar with macros, it is actually helpful
to look at (and edit or maybe write) macros from the VBE. You could also have
a look at the code Word made for your en dash macro.

--
Regards
Lene Fredborg
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Don Ellis" wrote:


Lene,

Thank you, for the the Esc warning and for the macros.

Making macros in Word is hardly intuitive. I was able to create
SelectCurrentSentence and assign it to Alt-S so I'm very pleased. That was
the one I was missing the most.

But when it came to creating SelectCurrentParagraph, I seem to only be able
to overwrite SelectCurrentSentence no matter what I do. I followed along the
linked instructions, but it seems I can only create a single macro. Oh, well,
I'm happy with that one.

Thanks very much... that one is great even if I never get another.

Don

"Lene Fredborg" wrote:

An additional comment:
It may take a little time getting used to F8 because it brings you into
extended selection mode. You need to press ESC to return to normal selection
mode (the current selection remains even if you press ESC). Note that you can
use Shift+F8 to reduce the selection, e.g. from paragraph to sentence to word.

Alternatively, you could use these macros and assign keyboard shortcuts to
them:

Public Sub SelectCurrentSentence()
'Selects the current sentence
Selection.Expand Unit:=wdSentence
End Sub

Public Sub SelectCurrentParagraph()
'selects current paragraph
Selection.Expand Unit:=wdParagraph
End Sub

If you need help on assigning shortcuts, see:
http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Custom...roToHotkey.htm

If you need help on installing macros, see;
http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm

--
Regards
Lene Fredborg
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word

[Don Ellis]

Hi Suzanne,

This, as you note, is most confusing. Especially since I never paid enough
attention to what creates an em dash (because I've assigned the symbol to
Ctrl-/).

Because it takes two hyphens create an en dash, I just figured it took three
hyphens to create an em dash (not unthinkable considering it takes four stabs
of the F8 key to select a paragraph).

Looking at all of this again, I see that to create my [space][en
dash][space], you can use either of these:

[space][hyphen][space]
[space][hyphen][hyphen][space]

And to create an em dash with no spaces, you use two hyphens.

Which means that if you want an en dash with no hyphens, you either have to
use the keyboard shortcut, Alt + numeric keys, or insert the symbol using the
mouse.

Given that, I must stay that my mistaken idea of three hyphens for an em
dash seems the height of simplicity and logic.

Thanks again for your time and insights.

Don


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

It was a little confusing to me at first that two hyphens surrounded by
spaces produce a spaced en dash, whereas two hyphens without spaces produce
an em dash without spaces, but, conveniently, these two results represent
the usage in the U.S. (em dash) and U.K. (spaced en dash), so it works out
nicely.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org

[Jay Freedman]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:42:17 -0800, Don Ellis
wrote:

After Lene got me thinking about Macros (and I figured out how to display the
Developer's Ribbon in Word 2007), I simply recorded a macro for [space][en
dash][space] and assigned it to Ctrl-/.

Happy now... (or I would be if I could create a SelectCurrentParagraph macro
in addition to my SelectCurrentSentence).

Thanks to all of you for your help.

Don


You can have such a macro, like this:

Sub SelectCurrentParagraph()
Selection.Paragraphs(1).Range.Select
End Sub

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

[Lene Fredborg]

Jay,

A macro like yours was included in my first post too, but for some reason,
Don did not succeed in installing it. A few hours ago, I tried to explain
what Don could do (in a new post), but I think it drowned in this long row of
posts - I will put a note to Don at the (current) end of the of this thread.

--
Regards
Lene Fredborg
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Jay Freedman" wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:42:17 -0800, Don Ellis
wrote:

After Lene got me thinking about Macros (and I figured out how to display the
Developer's Ribbon in Word 2007), I simply recorded a macro for [space][en
dash][space] and assigned it to Ctrl-/.

Happy now... (or I would be if I could create a SelectCurrentParagraph macro
in addition to my SelectCurrentSentence).

Thanks to all of you for your help.

Don


You can have such a macro, like this:

Sub SelectCurrentParagraph()
Selection.Paragraphs(1).Range.Select
End Sub

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so all may benefit.

[Lene Fredborg]

Don,

Somewhere in the middle of this long thread you will find a post from me (a
few hours old) where I tried to explain how you can install the
select-sentence macro. Hope that will help you...

--
Regards
Lene Fredborg
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word


"Don Ellis" wrote:

I try to avoid the mouse as much as possible. Is there a way to select a
sentence or paragraph using just the keyboard?

And how can I create a single keystroke that inserts these three keystrokes
-- [space][en dash][space]?

Thank you.

Don

[Don Ellis]

Hi Lene,

Thanks very much... I would have missed it without your note. Thanks very
much. I'm off to bed in Hong Kong right now but I'll certainly check it out
tomorrow.

(I just found it and scanned it quickly... thank you very much for your
time, trouble and advice. I will report to class in the morning.)

Cheers,

Don

"Lene Fredborg" wrote:

Don,

Somewhere in the middle of this long thread you will find a post from me (a
few hours old) where I tried to explain how you can install the
select-sentence macro. Hope that will help you...

--
Regards
Lene Fredborg
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Interestingly, when I used to prepare manuscripts for publishers, -- for en
and --- for em was the convention. I suspect they just used a global replace
to convert the documents. I also have assigned a keyboard shortcut to the en
dash because, as you say, there is no simple way to insert one without
spaces, and where I use them most is in number ranges and the like (and I
don't have access to the numeric keypad and would find it awkward even if I
did).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...

Hi Suzanne,

This, as you note, is most confusing. Especially since I never paid enough
attention to what creates an em dash (because I've assigned the symbol to
Ctrl-/).

Because it takes two hyphens create an en dash, I just figured it took
three
hyphens to create an em dash (not unthinkable considering it takes four
stabs
of the F8 key to select a paragraph).

Looking at all of this again, I see that to create my [space][en
dash][space], you can use either of these:

[space][hyphen][space]
[space][hyphen][hyphen][space]

And to create an em dash with no spaces, you use two hyphens.

Which means that if you want an en dash with no hyphens, you either have
to
use the keyboard shortcut, Alt + numeric keys, or insert the symbol using
the
mouse.

Given that, I must stay that my mistaken idea of three hyphens for an em
dash seems the height of simplicity and logic.

Thanks again for your time and insights.

Don


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

It was a little confusing to me at first that two hyphens surrounded by
spaces produce a spaced en dash, whereas two hyphens without spaces
produce
an em dash without spaces, but, conveniently, these two results
represent
the usage in the U.S. (em dash) and U.K. (spaced en dash), so it works
out
nicely.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org

[Don Ellis]

Hi Lene,

I dont know exactly what you did to copy the macros and what went
wrong.

As a teacher, you can never know what mischief your students will get up to
-- or what misconceptions are lurking in their untutored minds.

My years of WordPerfect experience make me view macros as individual
entities. What I didnt expect was to put two or more macros in a single file
before saving. So I was creating my Sentence macro and saving. And then
creating a Paragraph macro which automatically overwrote it.

It was this sentence in your instructions that turned on the light...

Copy the SelectCurrentParagraph macro from the newsgroup and paste it
below the other macros.

So I did. And now they both work.

Thanks again for taking the time to explain all this. You may not get paid,
but you have my undying appreciation... and thats no joke. Two things kept
me from switching totally from WordPerfect to Word: 1) the Sentence/Paragraph
keystrokes, and 2) Words awful handling of tables in versions before 2007.

So I spent my days writing in WordPerfect, converting to Word, then bringing
the document into Word for fine-tuning before sending it off to other Word
users. Thats how much I liked WP.

With your help getting over this initial speed bump, I may just focus on
learning the quirks of Word now. (A task that would be simpler with a manual,
so I suppose I should buy one, especially considering my disdain for online
help files.)

Again, thank you. Youve made a huge difference.

Cheers,

Don

Thanks also to Jay, whose message I also missed.

I think the problem is the time lag between someone's posting and the
website's displaying. Once you scroll past an area with no new messages, you
tend not to visit that area again.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

If you're going to be visiting this newsgroup often, you would find it much
more efficient to access it directly from the news server, reading it with
an NNTP newsreader such as Outlook Express. This allows you to sort and
search messages in a variety of ways, as well as to suppress the display of
messages you've already read (so you see just the new posts). Best of all,
posting is pretty much instantaneous. For instructions on how to set up OE
to read these NGs, see
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/...ommunities.htm.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...
Hi Lene,

I dont know exactly what you did to copy the macros and what went
wrong.

As a teacher, you can never know what mischief your students will get up
to
-- or what misconceptions are lurking in their untutored minds.

My years of WordPerfect experience make me view macros as individual
entities. What I didnt expect was to put two or more macros in a single
file
before saving. So I was creating my Sentence macro and saving. And then
creating a Paragraph macro which automatically overwrote it.

It was this sentence in your instructions that turned on the light...

Copy the SelectCurrentParagraph macro from the newsgroup and paste it
below the other macros.

So I did. And now they both work.

Thanks again for taking the time to explain all this. You may not get
paid,
but you have my undying appreciation... and thats no joke. Two things
kept
me from switching totally from WordPerfect to Word: 1) the
Sentence/Paragraph
keystrokes, and 2) Words awful handling of tables in versions before
2007.

So I spent my days writing in WordPerfect, converting to Word, then
bringing
the document into Word for fine-tuning before sending it off to other Word
users. Thats how much I liked WP.

With your help getting over this initial speed bump, I may just focus on
learning the quirks of Word now. (A task that would be simpler with a
manual,
so I suppose I should buy one, especially considering my disdain for
online
help files.)

Again, thank you. Youve made a huge difference.

Cheers,

Don

Thanks also to Jay, whose message I also missed.

I think the problem is the time lag between someone's posting and the
website's displaying. Once you scroll past an area with no new messages,
you
tend not to visit that area again.

[Don Ellis]

Thanks, Suzanne... I'll have a look.

Don

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

If you're going to be visiting this newsgroup often, you would find it much
more efficient to access it directly from the news server, reading it with
an NNTP newsreader such as Outlook Express. This allows you to sort and
search messages in a variety of ways, as well as to suppress the display of
messages you've already read (so you see just the new posts). Best of all,
posting is pretty much instantaneous. For instructions on how to set up OE
to read these NGs, see
http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com/...ommunities.htm.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org

[Don Ellis]

Hi Suzanne,

Ok, all set up in Agent newsreader... leaving only the question: "Which of
the 2294 newsgroups is this one?"

I looked at all the groups that sounded relevant, but nothing leaps out as
the one I should be subscribing to.

Thank you.

Don

[Graham Mayor]

This one is
microsoft.public.word.docmanagement

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP
My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Don Ellis wrote:
Hi Suzanne,

Ok, all set up in Agent newsreader... leaving only the question:
"Which of the 2294 newsgroups is this one?"

I looked at all the groups that sounded relevant, but nothing leaps
out as the one I should be subscribing to.

Thank you.

Don

[Don Ellis]

Perfect... thank you, Graham.

Don

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This one is
microsoft.public.word.docmanagement

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP
My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org

[Don Ellis[_2_]]

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:03:26 +0200, "Graham Mayor"
wrote:

This one is
microsoft.public.word.docmanagement

To repeat myself inside Agent... thank you... to both Suzanne for
recommending this approach and you for showing me the door.

Don

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

FWIW, all the (English-language) Word NGs are in the hierarchy
microsoft.public.word... Also, in the Communities Web interface, if you
hover over the flyout from which you choose newsgroups, you'll see that
General Questions shows microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. This is
admittedly a bit confusing, but when the Communities were being set up, the
decision was made that every product group should have a General Questions
NG. The NG microsoft.public.word.general, although it still survives on some
news servers, had been deprecated by MS years ago because it collected
*everything*, and the traffic level and signal-to-noise ratio made it
useless.

The Word MVPs, somewhat foolishly, it now seems, selected .docmanagement as
a NG with little traffic (probably because no one was entirely sure what it
was for) as the one to be labeled general (in retrospect, .newusers would
probably have been a better choice, but it already had very high traffic).
Now we're stuck with our decision.

Now that you have easy access to all the Word NGs, you'll probably find that
you want to subscribe to some of the more focused ones (which also have
lower traffic and so are easier to keep up with). These include
..formatting.longdocs, .numbering, .pagelayout, .printingfonts, and .tables,
as well as the word.vba hierarchy for programming.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:03:26 +0200, "Graham Mayor"
wrote:

This one is
microsoft.public.word.docmanagement

To repeat myself inside Agent... thank you... to both Suzanne for
recommending this approach and you for showing me the door.

Don

[Don Ellis[_2_]]

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:42:44 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote:

FWIW, all the (English-language) Word NGs are in the hierarchy
microsoft.public.word...

Now that you have easy access to all the Word NGs, you'll probably find that
you want to subscribe to some of the more focused ones (which also have
lower traffic and so are easier to keep up with). These include
.formatting.longdocs, .numbering, .pagelayout, .printingfonts, and .tables,
as well as the word.vba hierarchy for programming.

Great information, Suzanne... thank you for the explanation and
pointers... especially about the newsgroup approach to begin with.
Trying to follow this forum on the web was a bit of effort. Even in
the "collapsed" view, the number of responses are shown, making each
subject a two-line entry.

Between the sentence/paragraph macros I got, the lesson in creating
macros to begin with, and the introduction to this group, this may
have been the most profitable question I've posted on any forum.

Cheers,

Don

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Always glad to drag another user into the NNTP fold--gives us more
ammunition against MS when they suggest that "no one uses NNTP any more" and
wants to provide the NGs only via the Web!

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Don Ellis" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:42:44 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
wrote:

FWIW, all the (English-language) Word NGs are in the hierarchy
microsoft.public.word...

Now that you have easy access to all the Word NGs, you'll probably find
that
you want to subscribe to some of the more focused ones (which also have
lower traffic and so are easier to keep up with). These include
.formatting.longdocs, .numbering, .pagelayout, .printingfonts, and
..tables,
as well as the word.vba hierarchy for programming.

Great information, Suzanne... thank you for the explanation and
pointers... especially about the newsgroup approach to begin with.
Trying to follow this forum on the web was a bit of effort. Even in
the "collapsed" view, the number of responses are shown, making each
subject a two-line entry.

Between the sentence/paragraph macros I got, the lesson in creating
macros to begin with, and the introduction to this group, this may
have been the most profitable question I've posted on any forum.

Cheers,

Don