[Terri N]

I am so close...the Hebrew text I am inserting into my English document has a
couple of glitches left. I'm wondering if there is a utility I can use.
I've already installed a Hebrew keyboard, which fixed almost everything. The
last two problems:

1. When I insert a bit of Hebrew into the middle of a paragraph, I then
block out that Hebrew text and hit the "right-to-left" icon. But instead of
applying it to the Hebrew, it applies it to the entire paragraph.

2. The punctuation is drifting. For instance, if there is a colon, instead
of it being attached to the previous letter, it attaches to the next letter,
after the space. So it looks sort of like this :with the colon. I can't
just reverse the space and colon, because if I delete the space, the "s"
deletes also. If I delete the colon, the "w" deletes also.

Any guidance?
--
Terri

[Peter T. Daniels]

1. What do you mean by "block out"? If the Hebrew text has been typed
with a proper Unicode Hebrew font, it should behave exactly as it
needs to -- this week I've been typing Arabic words in the middle of
German text, and all is well. The paragraph remains left-to-right,
because that's the direction of your main text. (If you wanted an
English word in the middle of a Hebrew paragraph, you wouldn't switch
the paragraph to left-to-rignt.)

2. I did warn you that funny things happen at the interface. The most
practical way to deal with stray punctuation is to select the wrong
items and then press Backspace or Delete (or Ctrl-X), not to try just
deleting them. The most practical way to insert punctuation at an
interface is to type some spaces, put the colon or whatever in the
middle of them, and select, then delete, the spaces that are in the
wrong place. (If you type the punctuation while you're typing the
text, there's no problem, but since you're inserting rather than
typing, you'll encounter finicky behavior.)

I don't know why adjacent characters are deleting, but if you select
the space or colon and then delete, it probably won't happen.

On Oct 9, 7:08*pm, Terri N wrote:
I am so close...the Hebrew text I am inserting into my English document has a
couple of glitches left. *I'm wondering if there is a utility I can use.. *
I've already installed a Hebrew keyboard, which fixed almost everything. *The
last two problems:

1. *When I insert a bit of Hebrew into the middle of a paragraph, I then
block out that Hebrew text and hit the "right-to-left" icon. *But instead of
applying it to the Hebrew, it applies it to the entire paragraph.

2. *The punctuation is drifting. *For instance, if there is a colon, instead
of it being attached to the previous letter, it attaches to the next letter,
after the space. *So it looks sort of like this * :with the colon. *I can't
just reverse the space and colon, because if I delete the space, the "s"
deletes also. *If I delete the colon, the "w" deletes also.

Any guidance?
--
Terri

[Terri N]

I selected the Hebrew phrase, then chose right-to-left (RTL), hoping that
only the phrase itself would read RTL, per my customer's request. But the
entire paragraph switched to RTL. So Word can't switch just the phrase? And
you're saying that if you're typing a left-to-right English paragraph, the
Hebrew phrase in the middle of it is going to have to read left to right as
well?

I'm having a hard time locating a Unicode Hebrew font--does a font that
supports all the Hebrew characters (including vowels) come with Windows? I
may be missing it. There is a font called "David" on my list.

The person who will be typing the text is using a Mac, and I'll then have to
paste it into my Word document and convert it to whatever font I'll be using.
I found one online called Ezra that the customer likes, but it doesn't
mention Unicode in the name.

Thank you for the hint the punctuation. I've tried it with a little
success in a couple of spots, and I'll keep trying and see if I can get the
hang of it.

Thanks for your help, Peter...this job is a huge challenge for me. But, as
with most problems, I'm also learning a lot.
--
Terri


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

1. What do you mean by "block out"? If the Hebrew text has been typed
with a proper Unicode Hebrew font, it should behave exactly as it
needs to -- this week I've been typing Arabic words in the middle of
German text, and all is well. The paragraph remains left-to-right,
because that's the direction of your main text. (If you wanted an
English word in the middle of a Hebrew paragraph, you wouldn't switch
the paragraph to left-to-rignt.)

2. I did warn you that funny things happen at the interface. The most
practical way to deal with stray punctuation is to select the wrong
items and then press Backspace or Delete (or Ctrl-X), not to try just
deleting them. The most practical way to insert punctuation at an
interface is to type some spaces, put the colon or whatever in the
middle of them, and select, then delete, the spaces that are in the
wrong place. (If you type the punctuation while you're typing the
text, there's no problem, but since you're inserting rather than
typing, you'll encounter finicky behavior.)

I don't know why adjacent characters are deleting, but if you select
the space or colon and then delete, it probably won't happen.

On Oct 9, 7:08 pm, Terri N wrote:
I am so close...the Hebrew text I am inserting into my English document has a
couple of glitches left. I'm wondering if there is a utility I can use..
I've already installed a Hebrew keyboard, which fixed almost everything. The
last two problems:

1. When I insert a bit of Hebrew into the middle of a paragraph, I then
block out that Hebrew text and hit the "right-to-left" icon. But instead of
applying it to the Hebrew, it applies it to the entire paragraph.

2. The punctuation is drifting. For instance, if there is a colon, instead
of it being attached to the previous letter, it attaches to the next letter,
after the space. So it looks sort of like this :with the colon. I can't
just reverse the space and colon, because if I delete the space, the "s"
deletes also. If I delete the colon, the "w" deletes also.

Any guidance?
--
Terri

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Oct 10, 2:13*am, Terri N wrote:
I selected the Hebrew phrase, then chose right-to-left (RTL), hoping that
only the phrase itself would read RTL, per my customer's request. *But the
entire paragraph switched to RTL. *So Word can't switch just the phrase? *And
you're saying that if you're typing a left-to-right English paragraph, the
Hebrew phrase in the middle of it is going to have to read left to right as
well?

Of course not. Are you in fact not using a Unicode Hebrew font? If
you're using a Hebrew font that just puts the letters in the a-z, A-Z
etc. slots, then yes, you have to type backwards. But then you might
as weill just type transliterations of the Hebrew!

I'm having a hard time locating a Unicode Hebrew font--does a font that
supports all the Hebrew characters (including vowels) come with Windows? *I
may be missing it. *There is a font called "David" on my list.

Fonts with the full complement of Hebrew characters include Arial,
Tahoma, and Times New Roman. Fonts intended for Modern Hebrew, such as
David, don't have the accents (cantillation marks) used only in Bible
texts. But David _is_ a Unicode font (it came with either Windows or
Office, since the only Hebrew I ever downloaded was SBL Hebrew, which
is made especially for typing all the complicated stuff in the Bible
text).

The person who will be typing the text is using a Mac, and I'll then have to
paste it into my Word document and convert it to whatever font I'll be using.
*I found one online called Ezra that the customer likes, but it doesn't
mention Unicode in the name.

If it comes in different versions for Mac and Windows, then it
probably isn't a Unicode font. Possibly if you hunt around you can
find a version of Ezra that's been Unicode-encoded.

Ah -- Ezra is from the SIL, so it's free; it is Unicode; and it has
the full set of characters. It looks like the type found in early-20th-
century Conservative prayer books. (And a lot of the Haggadahs you'll
find next March.)

Thank you for the hint the punctuation. *I've tried it with a little
success in a couple of spots, and I'll keep trying and see if I can get the
hang of it.

Thanks for your help, Peter...this job is a huge challenge for me. *But, as
with most problems, I'm also learning a lot.
--
Terri

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
1. What do you mean by "block out"? If the Hebrew text has been typed
with a proper Unicode Hebrew font, it should behave exactly as it
needs to -- this week I've been typing Arabic words in the middle of
German text, and all is well. The paragraph remains left-to-right,
because that's the direction of your main text. (If you wanted an
English word in the middle of a Hebrew paragraph, you wouldn't switch
the paragraph to left-to-rignt.)

2. I did warn you that funny things happen at the interface. The most
practical way to deal with stray punctuation is to select the wrong
items and then press Backspace or Delete (or Ctrl-X), not to try just
deleting them. The most practical way to insert punctuation at an
interface is to type some spaces, put the colon or whatever in the
middle of them, and select, then delete, the spaces that are in the
wrong place. (If you type the punctuation while you're typing the
text, there's no problem, but since you're inserting rather than
typing, you'll encounter finicky behavior.)

I don't know why adjacent characters are deleting, but if you select
the space or colon and then delete, it probably won't happen.

On Oct 9, 7:08 pm, Terri N wrote:
I am so close...the Hebrew text I am inserting into my English document has a
couple of glitches left. *I'm wondering if there is a utility I can use.. *
I've already installed a Hebrew keyboard, which fixed almost everything. *The
last two problems:

1. *When I insert a bit of Hebrew into the middle of a paragraph, I then
block out that Hebrew text and hit the "right-to-left" icon. *But instead of
applying it to the Hebrew, it applies it to the entire paragraph.

2. *The punctuation is drifting. *For instance, if there is a colon, instead
of it being attached to the previous letter, it attaches to the next letter,
after the space. *So it looks sort of like this * :with the colon.. *I can't
just reverse the space and colon, because if I delete the space, the "s"
deletes also. *If I delete the colon, the "w" deletes also.

Any guidance?
--
Terri-

[Graham Mayor]

Peter T. Daniels wrote:

IF you're using a Hebrew font that just puts the letters in the a-z, A-Z
etc. slots, then yes, you have to type backwards.

If the font requires that the text is typed backwards (and I hasted to add I
have no knowledge of right left languages) that can easily be fixed with a
macro that will reverse the order of selected text eg

Sub ReverseCharacters()
Dim sText As String
sText = Selection.Range.Text
If Len(sText) 2 Then
MsgBox "You must select at least 2 characters!", _
vbCritical, "Reverse Characters"
Exit Sub
End If
For i = Len(sText) To 1 Step -1
Selection.TypeText Mid(sText, i, 1)
Next i
End Sub

http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org

[Tony Jollans]

I agree with Peter - this should just work, assuming Hebrew support is
enabled and the text is marked as Hebrew.

Also, I'm not sure just reversing text with a macro will deal with line
breaks properly.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"Graham Mayor" wrote in message
...
Peter T. Daniels wrote:

IF you're using a Hebrew font that just puts the letters in the a-z, A-Z
etc. slots, then yes, you have to type backwards.

If the font requires that the text is typed backwards (and I hasted to add
I have no knowledge of right left languages) that can easily be fixed with
a macro that will reverse the order of selected text eg

Sub ReverseCharacters()
Dim sText As String
sText = Selection.Range.Text
If Len(sText) 2 Then
MsgBox "You must select at least 2 characters!", _
vbCritical, "Reverse Characters"
Exit Sub
End If
For i = Len(sText) To 1 Step -1
Selection.TypeText Mid(sText, i, 1)
Next i
End Sub

http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm
--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org

[Peter T. Daniels]

As Tony noted, line breaks will be a problem -- but also, if there's
more than one word, will it reverse each word independently, or do you
need to type your whole clause backward, last-word-first?

This would of course be most useful to make up for the most glaring
omission in Word's editing tools since the very beginning (since lots
of other DTP apps have it) -- "transpose two characters"!

On Oct 10, 9:29*am, "Graham Mayor" wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
IF you're using a Hebrew font that just puts the letters in the a-z, A-Z
etc. slots, then yes, you have to type backwards.

If the font requires that the text is typed backwards (and I hasted to add I
have no knowledge of right left languages) that can easily be fixed with a
macro that will reverse the order of selected text eg

Sub ReverseCharacters()
Dim sText As String
sText = Selection.Range.Text
If Len(sText) 2 Then
* * MsgBox "You must select at least 2 characters!", _
* * vbCritical, "Reverse Characters"
* * Exit Sub
End If
For i = Len(sText) To 1 Step -1
* * Selection.TypeText Mid(sText, i, 1)
Next i
End Sub

http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm
--

Graham Mayor - *Word MVP

My web sitewww.gmayor.com
Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org

[Terri N]

Thanks to Peter and everyone who contributed to this thread...you guys are
amazing! I dream of knowing 20% of what you know about this program... I
was a WordPerfect girl from the beginning, and the change to Word has been
difficult, but this discussion group is just a godsend.
--
Terri


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

On Oct 10, 2:13 am, Terri N wrote:
I selected the Hebrew phrase, then chose right-to-left (RTL), hoping that
only the phrase itself would read RTL, per my customer's request. But the
entire paragraph switched to RTL. So Word can't switch just the phrase? And
you're saying that if you're typing a left-to-right English paragraph, the
Hebrew phrase in the middle of it is going to have to read left to right as
well?

Of course not. Are you in fact not using a Unicode Hebrew font? If
you're using a Hebrew font that just puts the letters in the a-z, A-Z
etc. slots, then yes, you have to type backwards. But then you might
as weill just type transliterations of the Hebrew!

I'm having a hard time locating a Unicode Hebrew font--does a font that
supports all the Hebrew characters (including vowels) come with Windows? I
may be missing it. There is a font called "David" on my list.

Fonts with the full complement of Hebrew characters include Arial,
Tahoma, and Times New Roman. Fonts intended for Modern Hebrew, such as
David, don't have the accents (cantillation marks) used only in Bible
texts. But David _is_ a Unicode font (it came with either Windows or
Office, since the only Hebrew I ever downloaded was SBL Hebrew, which
is made especially for typing all the complicated stuff in the Bible
text).

The person who will be typing the text is using a Mac, and I'll then have to
paste it into my Word document and convert it to whatever font I'll be using.
I found one online called Ezra that the customer likes, but it doesn't
mention Unicode in the name.

If it comes in different versions for Mac and Windows, then it
probably isn't a Unicode font. Possibly if you hunt around you can
find a version of Ezra that's been Unicode-encoded.

Ah -- Ezra is from the SIL, so it's free; it is Unicode; and it has
the full set of characters. It looks like the type found in early-20th-
century Conservative prayer books. (And a lot of the Haggadahs you'll
find next March.)

Thank you for the hint the punctuation. I've tried it with a little
success in a couple of spots, and I'll keep trying and see if I can get the
hang of it.

Thanks for your help, Peter...this job is a huge challenge for me. But, as
with most problems, I'm also learning a lot.
--
Terri

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
1. What do you mean by "block out"? If the Hebrew text has been typed
with a proper Unicode Hebrew font, it should behave exactly as it
needs to -- this week I've been typing Arabic words in the middle of
German text, and all is well. The paragraph remains left-to-right,
because that's the direction of your main text. (If you wanted an
English word in the middle of a Hebrew paragraph, you wouldn't switch
the paragraph to left-to-rignt.)

2. I did warn you that funny things happen at the interface. The most
practical way to deal with stray punctuation is to select the wrong
items and then press Backspace or Delete (or Ctrl-X), not to try just
deleting them. The most practical way to insert punctuation at an
interface is to type some spaces, put the colon or whatever in the
middle of them, and select, then delete, the spaces that are in the
wrong place. (If you type the punctuation while you're typing the
text, there's no problem, but since you're inserting rather than
typing, you'll encounter finicky behavior.)

I don't know why adjacent characters are deleting, but if you select
the space or colon and then delete, it probably won't happen.

On Oct 9, 7:08 pm, Terri N wrote:
I am so close...the Hebrew text I am inserting into my English document has a
couple of glitches left. I'm wondering if there is a utility I can use..
I've already installed a Hebrew keyboard, which fixed almost everything. The
last two problems:

1. When I insert a bit of Hebrew into the middle of a paragraph, I then
block out that Hebrew text and hit the "right-to-left" icon. But instead of
applying it to the Hebrew, it applies it to the entire paragraph.

2. The punctuation is drifting. For instance, if there is a colon, instead
of it being attached to the previous letter, it attaches to the next letter,
after the space. So it looks sort of like this :with the colon.. I can't
just reverse the space and colon, because if I delete the space, the "s"
deletes also. If I delete the colon, the "w" deletes also.

Any guidance?
--
Terri-

[Ari[_2_]]

Dear All,
This is not quite the topic of discussion in this thread but this was
the closest I could find. I've had the same problem in both Word 2003
and 2007 and can't find any information about it. The problem does not
always occur but is frequent enough to be very annoying and I can't
seem to figure out why it happens or doesn't happen:

If I have an existing document of Hebrew text, whether typed or cut-
and-paste from another program, often when I try to insert text by
typing, nothing will appear or be inserted. That is, if I attempt to
type Hebrew characters. If I type non-Hebrew characters (e.g. numbers,
punctuation) in the Hebrew font, or switch to an English font, the
typing inserts as would be expected. If I add a space, then backspace,
I can usually begin typing inserted text. This is not due to Overwrite/
Insert being toggled or anything else I can determine.

Any ideas?
Thank you!
--
Ari

[Guy Lydig]

Left Alt + Shift toggles between Hebrew and English and automatically types
text in the right direction. Punctuation looks like it will go in the wrong
place but is actually placed correctly.

"Terri N" wrote:

I selected the Hebrew phrase, then chose right-to-left (RTL), hoping that
only the phrase itself would read RTL, per my customer's request. But the
entire paragraph switched to RTL. So Word can't switch just the phrase? And
you're saying that if you're typing a left-to-right English paragraph, the
Hebrew phrase in the middle of it is going to have to read left to right as
well?

I'm having a hard time locating a Unicode Hebrew font--does a font that
supports all the Hebrew characters (including vowels) come with Windows? I
may be missing it. There is a font called "David" on my list.

The person who will be typing the text is using a Mac, and I'll then have to
paste it into my Word document and convert it to whatever font I'll be using.
I found one online called Ezra that the customer likes, but it doesn't
mention Unicode in the name.

Thank you for the hint the punctuation. I've tried it with a little
success in a couple of spots, and I'll keep trying and see if I can get the
hang of it.

Thanks for your help, Peter...this job is a huge challenge for me. But, as
with most problems, I'm also learning a lot.
--
Terri


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

1. What do you mean by "block out"? If the Hebrew text has been typed
with a proper Unicode Hebrew font, it should behave exactly as it
needs to -- this week I've been typing Arabic words in the middle of
German text, and all is well. The paragraph remains left-to-right,
because that's the direction of your main text. (If you wanted an
English word in the middle of a Hebrew paragraph, you wouldn't switch
the paragraph to left-to-rignt.)

2. I did warn you that funny things happen at the interface. The most
practical way to deal with stray punctuation is to select the wrong
items and then press Backspace or Delete (or Ctrl-X), not to try just
deleting them. The most practical way to insert punctuation at an
interface is to type some spaces, put the colon or whatever in the
middle of them, and select, then delete, the spaces that are in the
wrong place. (If you type the punctuation while you're typing the
text, there's no problem, but since you're inserting rather than
typing, you'll encounter finicky behavior.)

I don't know why adjacent characters are deleting, but if you select
the space or colon and then delete, it probably won't happen.

On Oct 9, 7:08 pm, Terri N wrote:
I am so close...the Hebrew text I am inserting into my English document has a
couple of glitches left. I'm wondering if there is a utility I can use..
I've already installed a Hebrew keyboard, which fixed almost everything. The
last two problems:

1. When I insert a bit of Hebrew into the middle of a paragraph, I then
block out that Hebrew text and hit the "right-to-left" icon. But instead of
applying it to the Hebrew, it applies it to the entire paragraph.

2. The punctuation is drifting. For instance, if there is a colon, instead
of it being attached to the previous letter, it attaches to the next letter,
after the space. So it looks sort of like this :with the colon. I can't
just reverse the space and colon, because if I delete the space, the "s"
deletes also. If I delete the colon, the "w" deletes also.

Any guidance?
--
Terri