First, let me say that I hate Microsoft Word 2003. It seems like they have
really made it less user friendly.

I use a lot of Section Breaks when drafting reports. Generally I have page 1
with one header and footer, which I end with a continuous section break,
followed by subsequent pages with no header and page number footers. I then
will use a page section break, and start the process again with a different
header.

Well, I now find that when I delete a continuous section break to insert it
elsewhere, the page section break above it is ALSO deleted, and then
impossible to put back in. This annoying fluke is the bane of my existence.
Any help?

This behavior has not changed in Word 2003. See
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...thSections.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Kate Stiteler" Kate wrote in message
...
First, let me say that I hate Microsoft Word 2003. It seems like they have
really made it less user friendly.

I use a lot of Section Breaks when drafting reports. Generally I have page
1
with one header and footer, which I end with a continuous section break,
followed by subsequent pages with no header and page number footers. I
then
will use a page section break, and start the process again with a
different
header.

Well, I now find that when I delete a continuous section break to insert
it
elsewhere, the page section break above it is ALSO deleted, and then
impossible to put back in. This annoying fluke is the bane of my
existence.
Any help?

[Ken S.]

The response by Microsoft to simply indicate that "the behavior of Word 2003
hasn't changed" is well...very, very stupid indeed. The obvious response to
a customer using one's product is to give them clear and concises
instructions on how to solve their problem. But Microsoft failed to
understand this and instead simply indicated that the behavior of Word 2003
has not changed! Daaa! How 'bout providing a an answer to actual help the
person. Here I am with the same problem: I can't figure out how to delete a
section but still keep the format of the "preceding" section. There is no
help or instructions rendered by Microsoft in this regard. That reallly
sucks!! And so does Suzanne's response!

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

This behavior has not changed in Word 2003. See
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...thSections.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Kate Stiteler" Kate wrote in message
...
First, let me say that I hate Microsoft Word 2003. It seems like they have
really made it less user friendly.

I use a lot of Section Breaks when drafting reports. Generally I have page
1
with one header and footer, which I end with a continuous section break,
followed by subsequent pages with no header and page number footers. I
then
will use a page section break, and start the process again with a
different
header.

Well, I now find that when I delete a continuous section break to insert
it
elsewhere, the page section break above it is ALSO deleted, and then
impossible to put back in. This annoying fluke is the bane of my
existence.
Any help?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Did you read the referenced article? It explains how to do what you want.
And note that AFAIK you have received no "response by Microsoft," certainly
not from me; I do not work for Microsoft.

My comment that the behavior of section breaks has not changed in Word 2003
was in response to your complaint that "I hate Microsoft Word 2003. It seems
like they have really made it less user friendly." Many things may have
changed or become less user-friendly in Word 2003, but the behavior of
section breaks is not one of them.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Ken S." Ken wrote in message
...
The response by Microsoft to simply indicate that "the behavior of Word
2003
hasn't changed" is well...very, very stupid indeed. The obvious response
to
a customer using one's product is to give them clear and concises
instructions on how to solve their problem. But Microsoft failed to
understand this and instead simply indicated that the behavior of Word
2003
has not changed! Daaa! How 'bout providing a an answer to actual help
the
person. Here I am with the same problem: I can't figure out how to delete
a
section but still keep the format of the "preceding" section. There is no
help or instructions rendered by Microsoft in this regard. That reallly
sucks!! And so does Suzanne's response!

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

This behavior has not changed in Word 2003. See
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...thSections.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Kate Stiteler" Kate wrote in
message
...
First, let me say that I hate Microsoft Word 2003. It seems like they
have
really made it less user friendly.

I use a lot of Section Breaks when drafting reports. Generally I have
page
1
with one header and footer, which I end with a continuous section
break,
followed by subsequent pages with no header and page number footers. I
then
will use a page section break, and start the process again with a
different
header.

Well, I now find that when I delete a continuous section break to
insert
it
elsewhere, the page section break above it is ALSO deleted, and then
impossible to put back in. This annoying fluke is the bane of my
existence.
Any help?

[Steve H]

Ms. Barnhill -

Did you read the e-mails posted here? Do you realize that there were two
separate posters (Kate Stiteler and Ken S.) and not one?

I understand that you are a Word MVP and do not work for Microsoft. And for
what its worth, my thanks go to you and other €œvolunteers€� for the time you
devote to trying to explain Microsofts flawed products. But, to claim that
your post is not representative of Microsoft is disingenuous at best. I
linked to this thread on Microsofts website by clicking a link in the Help
program for Microsoft Word. So although you may not be a Microsoft employee,
Microsoft is definitely using you to try to defend and explain their poor
product. Why cant Microsoft themselves respond to this question about their
own product? Why do they need to rely on non-employees to explain their
product? Regarding Ken S.s post, regardless of your status with respect to
Microsoft, this thread is a €œresponse by Microsoft€� and a poor one at that.


I had a similar question as Ken S. about the major annoyance of deleting a
section break and losing all of the formatting of the section that I am
keeping. I read the article that you linked to, but I did not find it to be
very helpful. For one thing, the article did not specifically address Ken's
(and my) question about deleting a section break without losing the section
formatting that precedes that break. Basically, the take-home message is
that there is no solution for this problem other than formatting the second
section to exactly match the first section before deleting the section break.


Regardless of your (and other MVPs) good intentions, the fact remains that
Word is a flawed product and this section break nonsense makes no sense at
all. In most cultures where Word and other Microsoft products are sold,
people write from beginning to end. We write a section, format it, create a
section break, and then repeat. Why on earth should we lose the formatting
for the first section when we delete the section break? A section break is
created when we want a new section, but why is that section break for the new
section suddenly imbued with the properties and formatting of the preceding
section? That makes no sense. Look at it this way €“ if I have a one-section
document with no section breaks, I can apply formatting to that section,
right? So why does everything change and all of the formatting for that
section is suddenly applied to a section break that I happen to insert at the
end of that section?

One more complaint and then my rant will be over: I tried to reply to this
thread inside the Word Help window, but it didnt work (natch). I had to go
online with my favorite browser (Opera, obviously not IE) to find this thread
so that I could reply.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

The article to which I referred you (both) has a section specifically about
how to preserve section formatting when deleting material at the end of a
document. Since the mvps.org server is currently down, I can't point you to
the specific section, but it is toward the end.

The article explains the way section formatting works. This understanding is
basic to working with sections. When you have only a single section, the
section formatting is held in the final paragraph mark. When you insert a
section break, it holds the formatting for the previous section, and the
final paragraph mark holds the formatting for the final section. If you want
to delete the section break (and the material following it), you must copy
its formatting to the last section first.

Microsoft does provide paid support for users. Free support is provided
through these NGs. I don't feel any need to support a "poor product." It is
a poor workman who blames his tools; you view Word as a "poor product"
because you are unwilling to learn how to use it.

You will also find, it you want to use these NGs regularly, that an NNTP
newsreader such as Outlook Express makes this far easier; see
http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Steve H" Steve wrote in message
...
Ms. Barnhill -

Did you read the e-mails posted here? Do you realize that there were two
separate posters (Kate Stiteler and Ken S.) and not one?

I understand that you are a Word MVP and do not work for Microsoft. And
for
what it's worth, my thanks go to you and other "volunteers" for the time
you
devote to trying to explain Microsoft's flawed products. But, to claim
that
your post is not representative of Microsoft is disingenuous at best. I
linked to this thread on Microsoft's website by clicking a link in the
Help
program for Microsoft Word. So although you may not be a Microsoft
employee,
Microsoft is definitely using you to try to defend and explain their poor
product. Why can't Microsoft themselves respond to this question about
their
own product? Why do they need to rely on non-employees to explain their
product? Regarding Ken S.'s post, regardless of your status with respect
to
Microsoft, this thread is a "response by Microsoft" and a poor one at
that.


I had a similar question as Ken S. about the major annoyance of deleting a
section break and losing all of the formatting of the section that I am
keeping. I read the article that you linked to, but I did not find it to
be
very helpful. For one thing, the article did not specifically address
Ken's
(and my) question about deleting a section break without losing the
section
formatting that precedes that break. Basically, the take-home message is
that there is no solution for this problem other than formatting the
second
section to exactly match the first section before deleting the section
break.


Regardless of your (and other MVP's) good intentions, the fact remains
that
Word is a flawed product and this section break nonsense makes no sense at
all. In most cultures where Word and other Microsoft products are sold,
people write from beginning to end. We write a section, format it, create
a
section break, and then repeat. Why on earth should we lose the
formatting
for the first section when we delete the section break? A section break
is
created when we want a new section, but why is that section break for the
new
section suddenly imbued with the properties and formatting of the
preceding
section? That makes no sense. Look at it this way - if I have a
one-section
document with no section breaks, I can apply formatting to that section,
right? So why does everything change and all of the formatting for that
section is suddenly applied to a section break that I happen to insert at
the
end of that section?

One more complaint and then my rant will be over: I tried to reply to
this
thread inside the Word Help window, but it didn't work (natch). I had to
go
online with my favorite browser (Opera, obviously not IE) to find this
thread
so that I could reply.

[espertinha]

Thanks, Suzanne! That really helped.

Just one important remark: I had two sections, where the first one had
different header/footer for the first page. In this case, I had to insert a
manual page break in the Section 2 before copying the settings from Section 1.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

This behavior has not changed in Word 2003. See
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...thSections.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Kate Stiteler" Kate wrote in message
...
First, let me say that I hate Microsoft Word 2003. It seems like they have
really made it less user friendly.

I use a lot of Section Breaks when drafting reports. Generally I have page
1
with one header and footer, which I end with a continuous section break,
followed by subsequent pages with no header and page number footers. I
then
will use a page section break, and start the process again with a
different
header.

Well, I now find that when I delete a continuous section break to insert
it
elsewhere, the page section break above it is ALSO deleted, and then
impossible to put back in. This annoying fluke is the bane of my
existence.
Any help?

[opjeshke]

Hello, I have to insert some text in 2 columns in my document. The problem is
it is automatically creating a section brake at the formated text and the
next page has a different section and page number. I tried to link it to the
previous page but it doesn't work, tried to format the page number at the
"continue numbering", doesn't work even like that and I really need the page
to be continuous in the whole document. I've worked before with columned text
and I didn't have this kind of problem... please help me, it's driving me mad

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

This behavior has not changed in Word 2003. See
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...thSections.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Kate Stiteler" Kate wrote in message
...
First, let me say that I hate Microsoft Word 2003. It seems like they have
really made it less user friendly.

I use a lot of Section Breaks when drafting reports. Generally I have page
1
with one header and footer, which I end with a continuous section break,
followed by subsequent pages with no header and page number footers. I
then
will use a page section break, and start the process again with a
different
header.

Well, I now find that when I delete a continuous section break to insert
it
elsewhere, the page section break above it is ALSO deleted, and then
impossible to put back in. This annoying fluke is the bane of my
existence.
Any help?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Changing the number of columns requires a section break. Presumably the page
numbering is restarting in the multi-column section. Place the insertion
point there and then go to Format Page Number and select "Continue from
previous section."

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"opjeshke" wrote in message
...
Hello, I have to insert some text in 2 columns in my document. The problem
is
it is automatically creating a section brake at the formated text and the
next page has a different section and page number. I tried to link it to
the
previous page but it doesn't work, tried to format the page number at the
"continue numbering", doesn't work even like that and I really need the
page
to be continuous in the whole document. I've worked before with columned
text
and I didn't have this kind of problem... please help me, it's driving me
mad

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

This behavior has not changed in Word 2003. See
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...thSections.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Kate Stiteler" Kate wrote in
message
...
First, let me say that I hate Microsoft Word 2003. It seems like they
have
really made it less user friendly.

I use a lot of Section Breaks when drafting reports. Generally I have
page
1
with one header and footer, which I end with a continuous section
break,
followed by subsequent pages with no header and page number footers. I
then
will use a page section break, and start the process again with a
different
header.

Well, I now find that when I delete a continuous section break to
insert
it
elsewhere, the page section break above it is ALSO deleted, and then
impossible to put back in. This annoying fluke is the bane of my
existence.
Any help?

[virginia]

I just tried the following and it worked:

- Place you cursor after the last word before the section break.
- Add a carriage return, to get the section break to show-up on another line.
- Move the cursor to the far left of the document until it changes -
selecting the entire line.
- Hit the delete key.

I hope this helps!

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Changing the number of columns requires a section break. Presumably the page
numbering is restarting in the multi-column section. Place the insertion
point there and then go to Format Page Number and select "Continue from
previous section."

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"opjeshke" wrote in message
...
Hello, I have to insert some text in 2 columns in my document. The problem
is
it is automatically creating a section brake at the formated text and the
next page has a different section and page number. I tried to link it to
the
previous page but it doesn't work, tried to format the page number at the
"continue numbering", doesn't work even like that and I really need the
page
to be continuous in the whole document. I've worked before with columned
text
and I didn't have this kind of problem... please help me, it's driving me
mad

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

This behavior has not changed in Word 2003. See
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...thSections.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Kate Stiteler" Kate wrote in
message
...
First, let me say that I hate Microsoft Word 2003. It seems like they
have
really made it less user friendly.

I use a lot of Section Breaks when drafting reports. Generally I have
page
1
with one header and footer, which I end with a continuous section
break,
followed by subsequent pages with no header and page number footers. I
then
will use a page section break, and start the process again with a
different
header.

Well, I now find that when I delete a continuous section break to
insert
it
elsewhere, the page section break above it is ALSO deleted, and then
impossible to put back in. This annoying fluke is the bane of my
existence.
Any help?

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

These instructions are for deleting a section break, but the OP wanted to
know how to retain formatting when deleting a section break, which wasn't
possible in that case because a multi-column section was involved.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Virginia" wrote in message
...
I just tried the following and it worked:

- Place you cursor after the last word before the section break.
- Add a carriage return, to get the section break to show-up on another
line.
- Move the cursor to the far left of the document until it changes -
selecting the entire line.
- Hit the delete key.

I hope this helps!

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Changing the number of columns requires a section break. Presumably the
page
numbering is restarting in the multi-column section. Place the insertion
point there and then go to Format Page Number and select "Continue from
previous section."

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"opjeshke" wrote in message
...
Hello, I have to insert some text in 2 columns in my document. The
problem
is
it is automatically creating a section brake at the formated text and
the
next page has a different section and page number. I tried to link it
to
the
previous page but it doesn't work, tried to format the page number at
the
"continue numbering", doesn't work even like that and I really need the
page
to be continuous in the whole document. I've worked before with
columned
text
and I didn't have this kind of problem... please help me, it's driving
me
mad

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

This behavior has not changed in Word 2003. See
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...thSections.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Kate Stiteler" Kate wrote in
message
...
First, let me say that I hate Microsoft Word 2003. It seems like
they
have
really made it less user friendly.

I use a lot of Section Breaks when drafting reports. Generally I
have
page
1
with one header and footer, which I end with a continuous section
break,
followed by subsequent pages with no header and page number footers.
I
then
will use a page section break, and start the process again with a
different
header.

Well, I now find that when I delete a continuous section break to
insert
it
elsewhere, the page section break above it is ALSO deleted, and then
impossible to put back in. This annoying fluke is the bane of my
existence.
Any help?