You can't "copy" Word; you must install it from the Office CD. If you do a
custom install, you can select just the applications and features you want
to install.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
I am at the point of wanting to try Word 97 in XP. I copied Word 97 and
the
DLLs it wanted (there could be more). When I tried to run it, Windows
issues
the message "There is not enough memory or disk space to run Word". I
suspect this is a standard CYA message when you try to do something
Windows
doesn't like. Anyway, if I use Add/Remove programs to remove Word, it
seems
to want to remove Office 2003. Excel, PowerPoint, etc. are fine and I
want
to leave them alone. Also, I have already customized options and tool
bars
in Word 2003. Is there a way to "disable" only Word or even lie to XP
that
there is no Word? I don't want to install Office 97, only Word 97. I can
see that it would be likely to have a real mess with trying to do this. I
want Word 97 only as a test -- if it doesn't solve my problems, I need to
be
able to get rid of it easily and be able to simply restore Word 2003. Any
recommendations??

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Yes, Word 97 will run fine under Windows XP.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a table
cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells from
..03
to
.02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox with
the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There is a
small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the measurement
from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05
points)
and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less than a
tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In
Word
97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361
inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another
paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the macro
display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was
different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to not do
so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can
imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going
backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the
line.
I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I
saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened
in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget
whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any
more
or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the
margin
or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in
message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is
probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient
distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have
one
or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the
paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding
line
in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that
the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words
or
from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is
left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at
straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like
WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses
justified
lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in
message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP
machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and
forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I
could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did
not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right
indenting
a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph.
I
guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format
the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a
snapshot of
a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I
didn't
see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing
between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file
formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with
the
fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases
of
the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats
according
to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same
printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines
present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your
current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003
with
Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on
2003,
line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to
cause
many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes
of
12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits
on
the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and
programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise
and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely
aligned.
I
have tried every option I can think of including all
compatibility
options as Word 6.0, 97 and 2003, with printer metrics
turned
on
and
off. The only fixes I have come up with are doing things
like
reducing font size by .5 point, setting paragraph right
indent
by
even as little as negative .05 inches. But I would have
to do
this
line by line or paragraph by paragraph. I spent nearly a
week
just
finding (But not yet correcting) problems in ten
documents.
I am considering installing Word 97 to solve this problem
(although I
am not sure it will). What conflicts will I encounter?
Can I
keep
2003 and 97? Is there any other way to "freeze" spacing?

Yes, that makes good sense. But, what about the fact that Word 2003 is
already installed. Won't there be a conflict with 2 winword's, .dll's, etc?
Many supporting files have the same name.
And, by the way, I know and appreciate your patience and help.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You can't "copy" Word; you must install it from the Office CD. If you do a
custom install, you can select just the applications and features you want
to install.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
I am at the point of wanting to try Word 97 in XP. I copied Word 97 and
the
DLLs it wanted (there could be more). When I tried to run it, Windows
issues
the message "There is not enough memory or disk space to run Word". I
suspect this is a standard CYA message when you try to do something
Windows
doesn't like. Anyway, if I use Add/Remove programs to remove Word, it
seems
to want to remove Office 2003. Excel, PowerPoint, etc. are fine and I
want
to leave them alone. Also, I have already customized options and tool
bars
in Word 2003. Is there a way to "disable" only Word or even lie to XP
that
there is no Word? I don't want to install Office 97, only Word 97. I can
see that it would be likely to have a real mess with trying to do this. I
want Word 97 only as a test -- if it doesn't solve my problems, I need to
be
able to get rid of it easily and be able to simply restore Word 2003. Any
recommendations??

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Yes, Word 97 will run fine under Windows XP.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a table
cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells from
..03
to
.02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox with
the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There is a
small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the measurement
from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05
points)
and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less than a
tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In
Word
97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361
inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another
paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the macro
display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was
different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to not do
so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can
imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going
backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along the
line.
I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier that I
saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when opened
in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I forget
whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough any
more
or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the
margin
or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in
message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating, not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is
probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a sufficient
distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs have
one
or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of the
paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the preceding
line
in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified that
the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between words
or
from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is
left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching at
straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like
WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses
justified
lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in
message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the XP
machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and
forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off. While I
could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that did
not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right
indenting
a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one paragraph.
I
guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to format
the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a
snapshot of
a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I
didn't
see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing
between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the file
formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but with
the
fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different releases
of
the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats
according
to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same
printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines
present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your
current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office 2003
with
Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on
2003,
line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to
cause
many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font sizes
of
12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually fits
on
the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and
programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very precise
and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be precisely
aligned.
I

Install it in a different folder. There will be competition. If you
double-click a Word file in Explorer, it will open in whichever version of
Word you used more recently, and you may get an "Installing..." notice when
you start the other version.

Users who run several versions of Word as a matter of course (for testing
purposes) often use virtual machines created by Virtual PC or VMware.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
Yes, that makes good sense. But, what about the fact that Word 2003 is
already installed. Won't there be a conflict with 2 winword's, .dll's,
etc?
Many supporting files have the same name.
And, by the way, I know and appreciate your patience and help.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You can't "copy" Word; you must install it from the Office CD. If you do
a
custom install, you can select just the applications and features you
want
to install.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in message
...
I am at the point of wanting to try Word 97 in XP. I copied Word 97
and
the
DLLs it wanted (there could be more). When I tried to run it, Windows
issues
the message "There is not enough memory or disk space to run Word". I
suspect this is a standard CYA message when you try to do something
Windows
doesn't like. Anyway, if I use Add/Remove programs to remove Word, it
seems
to want to remove Office 2003. Excel, PowerPoint, etc. are fine and I
want
to leave them alone. Also, I have already customized options and tool
bars
in Word 2003. Is there a way to "disable" only Word or even lie to XP
that
there is no Word? I don't want to install Office 97, only Word 97. I
can
see that it would be likely to have a real mess with trying to do
this. I
want Word 97 only as a test -- if it doesn't solve my problems, I need
to
be
able to get rid of it easily and be able to simply restore Word 2003.
Any
recommendations??

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Yes, Word 97 will run fine under Windows XP.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in
message
...
Thank you for the info, Suzanne.
I have had several cases where the text no longer fits within a
table
cell,
so I bet you are right. When I changed the spacing between cells
from
..03
to
.02, it fit OK. Unfortunately, I have hundreds of tables.
I wrote a macro using "Selection.Information" to show a MsgBox
with
the
exact position of the cursor in inches, points and twips. There
is a
small
difference. For example, at the end of a given line, the
measurement
from
the left edge of the page in Word 97 was 6.19514 inches (446.05
points)
and
in Word 2003, it was 6.29097 inches (452.95 points). Even less
than a
tenth
of an inch (or even a hundredth) can really make quite a
difference.
Interestingly, the distance from the top of the page was LESS. In
Word
97,
it was 6.36111 inches (458.00 points) and in 2003, it was 6.27361
inches
(451.70 points). This also doesn't explain why a word in another
paragraph
was moved up to the preceding line.

In fact, I haven't really tested this very much, but even the
macro
display
(which includes spaces to "columnize" the measurement text) was
different.

I am supposing there is no solution to this. I would prefer to
not do
so,
but I again ask whether Word 97 can be installed under XP. I can
imagine
this might cause a whole new set of problems and seems like going
backwards.

I really appreciate your ideas and advice.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

I suspect there really was a change in metrics somewhere along
the
line.
I
don't remember whether it was between 97 and 2002 or earlier
that I
saw
this, but I know that I had a complex lease form that, when
opened
in a
newer version, was actually cutting text off at the edge. I
forget
whether
the problem was with table cells that weren't quite wide enough
any
more
or
right-aligned tab stops that had to be moved a hair in from the
margin
or
what, but it was very annoying.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote in
message
...
Thanks, Suzanne. Unfortunately, that didn't help.
Maybe it is helpful if I point out that (I'm rough estimating,
not
counting)
about 60 % or so of the paragraphs are not a problem. This is
probably
because they are left justified and each line ends a
sufficient
distance
from
the margin. I guess that about 30% or so of the paragraphs
have
one
or
more
words that flow to the next line. Probably only 2 or 3% of
the
paragraphs
have (usually) only one or two words that flow to the
preceding
line
in
the
paragraph. This is rare.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me, since I verified
that
the
font,
font size and margins did not change.
Is there any possibility that Word calculates space between
words
or
from
the end of a line to the margin, even if the paragraph is
left-justified?
If
so, could their algorithms have changed? I'm really clutching
at
straws,
I
know.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

You might also try selecting "Do full justification like
WordPerfect" in
Tools | Options | Compatibility. This usually compresses
justified
lines
a
bit.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Charlie''s Word VBA questions"
m wrote
in
message
...
Thank you, Graham.
In fact, the old printer driver (HP) is installed on the
XP
machine as
well
as a new (Canon) printer driver. I have switched back and
forth
between
printers, with "Use printer metrics" both On and Off.
While I
could
sometimes see very minor differences in the display, that
did
not
resolve
the
problem. And yet, a very small difference such as right
indenting
a
test
paragraph by -.05" solved the problem for that one
paragraph.
I
guess
I
don't really understand how Word uses the printer to
format
the
display
and
print.
I also tried to install the old Arial font after renaming
it
"OldArial",
but
Windows was smart enough to prevent it. I also took a
snapshot of
a
test
paragraph on both machines and viewed them at 10x zoom. I
didn't
see
any
differences in the pixels for each letter nor for spacing
between
letters.
It was just a guess on my part.

"Graham Mayor" wrote:

This is nothing to do with any difference between the
file
formats
of
Word
97 and Word 2003 (which are effectively the same) but
with
the
fact
that
different printer drivers (and possibly different
releases
of
the
font
files) were used to create the documents. Word formats
according
to
the
current printer driver. You would have to have the same
printer
driver
(and
I mean the driver not the printer) and font outlines
present as
when
you
created the document in Word 97. Adding Word 97 to your
current
installation
will not affect the issue.
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org


Charlie''s Word VBA questions wrote:
Can I install Word 97 in Windows XP? I have Office
2003
with
Word
2003 already installed.
However, I have many 97 documents that, when opened on
2003,
line
spacing and text formatting is sufficiently changed to
cause
many,
many problems. These are student workbooks with font
sizes
of
12
and
14 points. Words on a line flow to the next line
causing
paragraph/page overflow. Sometimes a word actually
fits
on
the
line
above. These documents contain a lot of formulas and
programming
code examples so formatting and spacing is very
precise
and
critical.
Even text forming formulas and program code in a table
may
overflow
resulting in misalignment of lines that must be
precisely
aligned.
I