[~BD~]

Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:
The answer was provided via the microsoft.public.word.mailmerge.fields
newsgroup. It was propogated to the text newsgroup because the OP had
cross-posted to that group.


Hello Doug

I confess to being totally confused by your response!

I first saw a post made by Mark in the *test* newsgroup.

This was his message header:


From: "Mark McGinty"
Subject: so this NG works but the rest of microsoft.public is jacked?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:02:42 -0800
Lines: 2
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.3959
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.test.here
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Path:
border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.gig anews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.unit0.net!news4us .nl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl
Bytes: 706
Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com microsoft.public.test.he7480695


--
Dave - hoping that Doug has mis-read the situation!

[Doug Robbins - Word MVP]

If you look at the header of your message, you will see that it is posted to
the following newsgroups:

microsoft.public.word.mailmerge.fields,24hoursuppo rt.helpdesk,microsoft.public.test.here

I replied to it in the first of those newsgroups.

The 24hoursupport.helpdesk newsgroup however cannot be resolved by my news
program so my responses are not being posted to that group.
--
Hope this helps,

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my services on
a paid professional basis.

"~BD~" wrote in message
...
Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:
The answer was provided via the microsoft.public.word.mailmerge.fields
newsgroup. It was propogated to the text newsgroup because the OP had
cross-posted to that group.


Hello Doug

I confess to being totally confused by your response!

I first saw a post made by Mark in the *test* newsgroup.

This was his message header:


From: "Mark McGinty"
Subject: so this NG works but the rest of microsoft.public is jacked?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:02:42 -0800
Lines: 2
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.3959
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.test.here
NNTP-Posting-Host: 75-128-3-165.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com 75.128.3.165
Path:
border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.gig anews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.unit0.net!news4us .nl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl
Bytes: 706
Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com microsoft.public.test.he7480695


--
Dave - hoping that Doug has mis-read the situation!

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Doug Robbins - Word MVP"

| If you look at the header of your message, you will see that it is posted to
| the following newsgroups:

| microsoft.public.word.mailmerge.fields,24hoursuppo rt.helpdesk,microsoft.public.test.
| here

| I replied to it in the first of those newsgroups.

| The 24hoursupport.helpdesk newsgroup however cannot be resolved by my news
| program so my responses are not being posted to that group.
| --
| Hope this helps,

| Doug Robbins - Word MVP


Actually, since the MS News Server propogates to Usenet so does your message and thus it
does propogate to to the Troll infested group; 24hoursupport.helpdesk

And BoaterDave is quite happy in that group as he is a troll and x-posted this message
there were it did NOT belong. Ask your fellow MS MVP personnel in the private MVP area if
you need confirmation on BoaterDave (aka; ~BD~).

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[~BD~]

Andy wrote:
Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:


If you look at the header of your message, you will see that it is posted to
the following newsgroups:

microsoft.public.word.mailmerge.fields,24hoursuppo rt.helpdesk,microsoft.public.test.here

I replied to it in the first of those newsgroups.

The 24hoursupport.helpdesk newsgroup however cannot be resolved by my news
program so my responses are not being posted to that group.

Yes they are.



You are 100% correct, Andy. Thanks for posting.

Doug Robbins seems to be an "A-OK" MVP but has obviously *no clue* about
what is happening here!

I saw a message in the 'microsoft.public.test.here'group - nowhere else.
I responded to it ONLY in the *test* newsgroup. Here is my header to
substantiate this fact:-


Path:
border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!feeder2-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!74.125.46.134.MISMATCH!postnews.googl e.com!news1.google.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.gigan ews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!n ews.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:17:03 -0600
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:17:04 +0000
From: ~BD~
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100205 SeaMonkey/2.0.3
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.test.here
Subject: so this NG works but the rest of microsoft.public is jacked?
References:


In-Reply-To:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-ID:
Lines: 27
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser
X-Trace:
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X-Complaints-To:
X-DMCA-Complaints-To:
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your
complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
Bytes: 2322
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Mark McGinty wrote:
wrote in message
...

What is your problem, Mark?

Posts to word.mailmerge.fields have not shown up (it's been about 14
hours.)
Also I've noticed that some usually very busy groups have no new
posts in a
relatively long time, e.g, sqlserver.programming, newest post: 2/2082010
12:39 PM.

Maybe it's just my usenet client that's jacked, but I
unsubscribed/re-subscribed to all the groups I read...

Something's wrong somewhere.


-Mark



Try a post here, Mark: 24hoursupport.helpdesk

There are some good guys who might help!

--
Dave

[Mark McGinty]

"Andy" nospam@ wrote in message
...
~BD~ wrote:

Andy wrote:
Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:

The 24hoursupport.helpdesk newsgroup however cannot be resolved by my
news
program so my responses are not being posted to that group.

Yes they are.

You are 100% correct, Andy. Thanks for posting.

Doug Robbins seems to be an "A-OK" MVP but has obviously *no clue* about
what is happening here!

Most 'MVPs' are completely stupid and haven't a clue about anything, so
you shouldn't be surprised.

I saw a message in the 'microsoft.public.test.here'group - nowhere else.

Fair enough. Microsoft's news server is probably screwed, which would
explain Mr McGinty's post.

Gah, was there a "how far can you go off-topic" contest I didn't hear about?
:-)

For the record I didn't cross-post anything -- thought about it, then was
going to paste a copy of the post that failed into a post to the test group,
then I [correctly] theorized it was a chunk of VBS code that was causing it
to fail. Problem solved... er, worked-around I should say -- the problem is
excessively paranoid filtering. How many usenet clients out there can pick
out a chunk of script in a post and execute it?

I did mention this NG in my post to the test group, and yes I was very much
surprised anyone even read it, let alone responded. I figured it would just
be a bit bucket.

I could've corrected Doug's mistake, but since it was a matter of absolutely
no consequence, I figured I'd just let it lie, hoping to avoid a long,
worthless sub-thread. Silly me, next time maybe I'll know better.


-Mark

snip

--
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[Doug Robbins - Word MVP]

Looking at the headers of the messages, I see that it was ~BD~'s first
message that was the first one to be cross posted. Thereafter, unless the
headers of message trimmed, a reply to group ends up in all of the groups
(even apparently to a group in respect of which a message that the group
could not be resolved is received).

I value Andy's comments about MVPs with what I paid for them.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP, originally posted via msnews.microsoft.com

"Mark McGinty" wrote in message
...

"Andy" nospam@ wrote in message
...
~BD~ wrote:

Andy wrote:
Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:

The 24hoursupport.helpdesk newsgroup however cannot be resolved by my
news
program so my responses are not being posted to that group.

Yes they are.

You are 100% correct, Andy. Thanks for posting.

Doug Robbins seems to be an "A-OK" MVP but has obviously *no clue* about
what is happening here!

Most 'MVPs' are completely stupid and haven't a clue about anything, so
you shouldn't be surprised.

I saw a message in the 'microsoft.public.test.here'group - nowhere else.

Fair enough. Microsoft's news server is probably screwed, which would
explain Mr McGinty's post.

Gah, was there a "how far can you go off-topic" contest I didn't hear
about? :-)

For the record I didn't cross-post anything -- thought about it, then was
going to paste a copy of the post that failed into a post to the test
group, then I [correctly] theorized it was a chunk of VBS code that was
causing it to fail. Problem solved... er, worked-around I should say --
the problem is excessively paranoid filtering. How many usenet clients
out there can pick out a chunk of script in a post and execute it?

I did mention this NG in my post to the test group, and yes I was very
much surprised anyone even read it, let alone responded. I figured it
would just be a bit bucket.

I could've corrected Doug's mistake, but since it was a matter of
absolutely no consequence, I figured I'd just let it lie, hoping to avoid
a long, worthless sub-thread. Silly me, next time maybe I'll know better.


-Mark

snip

--
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[~BD~]

Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:

Looking at the headers of the messages, I see that it was ~BD~'s first
message that was the first one to be cross posted. Thereafter, unless
the headers of message trimmed, a reply to group ends up in all of the
groups (even apparently to a group in respect of which a message that
the group could not be resolved is received).

I value Andy's comments about MVPs with what I paid for them.



Doug, in some ways you are correct. The first post I made - in *this*
thread (in this newsgroup) I did, indeed, cross post.

What you don't *seem* to have appreciated is that Mark McGinty had
started a *different* thread in the MS "test' newsgroup - I suspect that
you've not actually been there to look. Maybe it would help you to
better understand if you did so now!

What I had *tried* to do was offer a helping hand to Mr McGinty.

I was, and indeed still am, curious about the reason why D.H.Lipman was
also monitoring a test group (I explained why I was so doing). If I were
*really* paranoid I'd suspect that he was simply stalking *me*!

What explanation might you put forward?

--
Dave - cross posting restored, as other groups were already involved.

[Doug Robbins - Word MVP]

My aim is to provide help to users who have problems with the application of
the software and I am not the least interested in what goes on in the test
newsgroup.

--
Hope this helps,

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my services on
a paid professional basis.

"~BD~" wrote in message
...
Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:

Looking at the headers of the messages, I see that it was ~BD~'s first
message that was the first one to be cross posted. Thereafter, unless
the headers of message trimmed, a reply to group ends up in all of the
groups (even apparently to a group in respect of which a message that
the group could not be resolved is received).

I value Andy's comments about MVPs with what I paid for them.



Doug, in some ways you are correct. The first post I made - in *this*
thread (in this newsgroup) I did, indeed, cross post.

What you don't *seem* to have appreciated is that Mark McGinty had started
a *different* thread in the MS "test' newsgroup - I suspect that you've
not actually been there to look. Maybe it would help you to better
understand if you did so now!

What I had *tried* to do was offer a helping hand to Mr McGinty.

I was, and indeed still am, curious about the reason why D.H.Lipman was
also monitoring a test group (I explained why I was so doing). If I were
*really* paranoid I'd suspect that he was simply stalking *me*!

What explanation might you put forward?

--
Dave - cross posting restored, as other groups were already involved.

[~BD~]

Mark McGinty wrote:
"Andy"nospam@ wrote in message
...
~BD~ wrote:

Andy wrote:
Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:

The 24hoursupport.helpdesk newsgroup however cannot be resolved by my
news
program so my responses are not being posted to that group.

Yes they are.

You are 100% correct, Andy. Thanks for posting.

Doug Robbins seems to be an "A-OK" MVP but has obviously *no clue* about
what is happening here!

Most 'MVPs' are completely stupid and haven't a clue about anything, so
you shouldn't be surprised.

I saw a message in the 'microsoft.public.test.here'group - nowhere else.

Fair enough. Microsoft's news server is probably screwed, which would
explain Mr McGinty's post.

Gah, was there a "how far can you go off-topic" contest I didn't hear about?
:-)

Usenet is great fun, is it not?

For the record I didn't cross-post anything -- thought about it, then was
going to paste a copy of the post that failed into a post to the test group,
then I [correctly] theorized it was a chunk of VBS code that was causing it
to fail. Problem solved... er, worked-around I should say -- the problem is
excessively paranoid filtering.

I agree with what you have said.

How many usenet clients out there can pick out a chunk of script in a post
and execute it?

I have no idea!

I did mention this NG in my post to the test group, and yes I was very much
surprised anyone even read it, let alone responded. I figured it would just
be a bit bucket.

A nice surprise then?

I've explained why *I* was there. Mr Lipman has yet to explain his
involvement. Such behaviour fascinates me.

I could've corrected Doug's mistake, but since it was a matter of absolutely
no consequence, I figured I'd just let it lie, hoping to avoid a long,
worthless sub-thread. Silly me, next time maybe I'll know better.

Why do you consider a sub-thread (as you call it) worthless? Is it
because it costs nothing but time?

-Mark

--
Dave

[Mark McGinty]

"Andy" nospam@ wrote in message
...
~BD~ wrote:

Mark McGinty wrote:
"Andy"nospam@ wrote in message
...
~BD~ wrote:

Andy wrote:
Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:

The 24hoursupport.helpdesk newsgroup however cannot be resolved by
my
news
program so my responses are not being posted to that group.

Yes they are.

You are 100% correct, Andy. Thanks for posting.

Doug Robbins seems to be an "A-OK" MVP but has obviously *no clue*
about
what is happening here!

Most 'MVPs' are completely stupid and haven't a clue about anything, so
you shouldn't be surprised.

I saw a message in the 'microsoft.public.test.here'group - nowhere
else.

Fair enough. Microsoft's news server is probably screwed, which would
explain Mr McGinty's post.

Gah, was there a "how far can you go off-topic" contest I didn't hear
about?
:-)

Usenet is great fun, is it not?

For the record I didn't cross-post anything -- thought about it, then
was
going to paste a copy of the post that failed into a post to the test
group,
then I [correctly] theorized it was a chunk of VBS code that was causing
it
to fail. Problem solved... er, worked-around I should say -- the
problem is
excessively paranoid filtering.

I agree with what you have said.

How many usenet clients out there can pick out a chunk of script in a
post
and execute it?

I have no idea!

I would suggest that no _decent_ newsreader would go around executing
code. Does Outhouse Express have this 'feature'?

I wish I could definitively say no -- it damn well shouldn't -- but if you
run Spy++ you will find that thw Window Class for both the view and compose
windows (even for plain text format) is "Internet Explorer_Server".

But although it seems undeniable that the possibility exists, an
IWebBrowser2 object can disable the scripting engine, so I going to go way
out on a limb here and say the possibility is quite remote. A much more
likely vector would be for a user to copy the script to a text file, name it
something.vbs, and execute it -- but IMHO, if a user transfers any type of
code from a non-executable form/media to one that is executable, without
FULLY AND COMPLETELY either understanding said code, or trusting its author,
that act constitutes stupidity deserving of whatever it brings. (It
irritates me when developers are hampered by attempts to protect stupid
users.)

Really it's all indicative of what I consider to be a flawed approach to the
malware problem: it's commonly thought that computers and software aren't
designed securely enough; I submit to you that the problem lies in human
ethics and integrity, and should be dealt with accordingly. If the penalty
for writing a virus was, say, being burned at the stake, there would be a
lot fewer people willing to even think about developing nefarious code...

But I digress... :-)


-MM


[Not cross-posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk because I can't reach it.]


Kind of a security risk, doncha think?

--
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[~BD~]

Mark McGinty wrote:
"Andy"nospam@ wrote in message
...
~BD~ wrote:

Mark McGinty wrote:
"Andy"nospam@ wrote in message
...
~BD~ wrote:

Andy wrote:
Doug Robbins - Word MVP wrote:

The 24hoursupport.helpdesk newsgroup however cannot be resolved by
my
news
program so my responses are not being posted to that group.

Yes they are.

You are 100% correct, Andy. Thanks for posting.

Doug Robbins seems to be an "A-OK" MVP but has obviously *no clue*
about
what is happening here!

Most 'MVPs' are completely stupid and haven't a clue about anything, so
you shouldn't be surprised.

I saw a message in the 'microsoft.public.test.here'group - nowhere
else.

Fair enough. Microsoft's news server is probably screwed, which would
explain Mr McGinty's post.

Gah, was there a "how far can you go off-topic" contest I didn't hear
about?
:-)

Usenet is great fun, is it not?

For the record I didn't cross-post anything -- thought about it, then
was
going to paste a copy of the post that failed into a post to the test
group,
then I [correctly] theorized it was a chunk of VBS code that was causing
it
to fail. Problem solved... er, worked-around I should say -- the
problem is
excessively paranoid filtering.

I agree with what you have said.

How many usenet clients out there can pick out a chunk of script in a
post
and execute it?

I have no idea!

I would suggest that no _decent_ newsreader would go around executing
code. Does Outhouse Express have this 'feature'?

I wish I could definitively say no -- it damn well shouldn't -- but if you
run Spy++ you will find that thw Window Class for both the view and compose
windows (even for plain text format) is "Internet Explorer_Server".

But although it seems undeniable that the possibility exists, an
IWebBrowser2 object can disable the scripting engine, so I going to go way
out on a limb here and say the possibility is quite remote. A much more
likely vector would be for a user to copy the script to a text file, name it
something.vbs, and execute it -- but IMHO, if a user transfers any type of
code from a non-executable form/media to one that is executable, without
FULLY AND COMPLETELY either understanding said code, or trusting its author,
that act constitutes stupidity deserving of whatever it brings. (It
irritates me when developers are hampered by attempts to protect stupid
users.)

Really it's all indicative of what I consider to be a flawed approach to the
malware problem: it's commonly thought that computers and software aren't
designed securely enough; I submit to you that the problem lies in human
ethics and integrity, and should be dealt with accordingly. If the penalty
for writing a virus was, say, being burned at the stake, there would be a
lot fewer people willing to even think about developing nefarious code...

But I digress... :-)


-MM


[Not cross-posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk because I can't reach it.]


OK - I've done that for you!