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Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?
The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending
me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Can I run Word 2003 with Office 2007?
You REALLY should MOVE on - the same way research does!
Regardless you can run both versions 2003/2007 - you can make 2003 the default Word program to open also. "DCH" wrote in message ... The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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See http://www.gmayor.com/Toolbars_in_word_2007.htm which explains how to
configure Windows to allow both to work at the same time. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org DCH wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Regarding "You REALLY should MOVE on..." This is the second such reply I've
received (the first to a similar question). Let me just say that not every one enjoys the healthy eyesight you obviously enjoy. -- DCH "Summer" wrote: You REALLY should MOVE on - the same way research does! Regardless you can run both versions 2003/2007 - you can make 2003 the default Word program to open also. "DCH" wrote in message ... The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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There is a way to get white text on a blue background in Word 2007 by using
the following recipe: 1. In the Page Backround group of the Page Layout tab, click Page Color and select a shade of blue - this is the blue background. 2. Type a line of text and then place the insertion point inside a word of text. 3. Right click on the selected text and choose Font from the menu. 4. On the Font dialog box select white in the Font Color drop down list box. The word containing the insertion point will turn white. 5. Without moving the insertion point, right click again and choose Styles from the context menu. This displays a submenu. 6. From the submenu choose Save Selection As A New Quick Style. This displays the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box. 7. In the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box, enter the name of the Style. If you used say, the "Heading 1" style for the text, then you might want to call it "White Font Heading 1". You can alter steps 6 and 7 to change the existing style to have white font - choose Update Heading 1 To Match Selection in step 6. You can see there is a bit of tedium initially: for every style of font you use, at the beginning you will need to create a white font version of it or change it to use white font. However, most documents aren't likely to use a huge number of styles and over time you'll have a big collection which you can store in your normal template file. In fact, a good start might be to edit the normal template file and simply change all the styles to use white font. Perhaps some other folks here can suggest ways to reduce the initial tedium by utilizing themes or some other technique. Some time ago, I believe Word took it's cue from the setting of the system colors for window and window text. Whether that's true now in 2007 with themes I don't know. One of the major goals behind the implementation of system color and font settings was to help people with less than optimal vision to use Windows. This would be worth exploring if the above approach is unsuitable or excessively tedious. E McElroy The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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It occurred to me that one way to reduce the tedium to almost nothing is to
code a macro which will enumerate the document styles, obtain the Font object from each, and set the font color to white. That would mean a very simple document creation process consisting of selecting a template, changing the background color on the Page Layout tab to blue, and running the macro to change the fonts to white. This may have an effect on the use of themes but given the very specific color combination which you want, you may not care. As a long-time C/C++/C# person (too long!) I don't do VBA but it might be an interesting little project that shouldn't take a VBA person too long. Perhaps one of the forum's heavyweights can code one up for you - Beth, Graham, Herb, and others...any volunteers? E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Thank you thank you for taking the time to explain all this, McElroy. Some
of it is over my head but I have worked out a partial (though not very elegant) solution: I put the "Page Background" icon on the Quick Access Toolbar. Creating a new document, I click on the Page Background icon and choose dark blue and the text automatically comes up white. Perfect. It requires three clicks to get a new blue-background/white text page for every new document but I can live with that. The major problem is that "found" text (text found by the "Find and Replace" function) is highlighted in either dark gray or black, which is almost impossible to find against the dark blue background. If "found" text were highlighted in almost any other color, such that I could see it against the blue background, I would be a happy man ("over the moon" as my daughter says). Is it possible to change the color of "found" text? Thank you again for your time and help McElroy. DCH "E McElroy" wrote: There is a way to get white text on a blue background in Word 2007 by using the following recipe: 1. In the Page Backround group of the Page Layout tab, click Page Color and select a shade of blue - this is the blue background. 2. Type a line of text and then place the insertion point inside a word of text. 3. Right click on the selected text and choose Font from the menu. 4. On the Font dialog box select white in the Font Color drop down list box. The word containing the insertion point will turn white. 5. Without moving the insertion point, right click again and choose Styles from the context menu. This displays a submenu. 6. From the submenu choose Save Selection As A New Quick Style. This displays the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box. 7. In the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box, enter the name of the Style. If you used say, the "Heading 1" style for the text, then you might want to call it "White Font Heading 1". You can alter steps 6 and 7 to change the existing style to have white font - choose Update Heading 1 To Match Selection in step 6. You can see there is a bit of tedium initially: for every style of font you use, at the beginning you will need to create a white font version of it or change it to use white font. However, most documents aren't likely to use a huge number of styles and over time you'll have a big collection which you can store in your normal template file. In fact, a good start might be to edit the normal template file and simply change all the styles to use white font. Perhaps some other folks here can suggest ways to reduce the initial tedium by utilizing themes or some other technique. Some time ago, I believe Word took it's cue from the setting of the system colors for window and window text. Whether that's true now in 2007 with themes I don't know. One of the major goals behind the implementation of system color and font settings was to help people with less than optimal vision to use Windows. This would be worth exploring if the above approach is unsuitable or excessively tedious. E McElroy The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Have you tried printing a document with these formatting suggestions?
-- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org DCH wrote: Thank you thank you for taking the time to explain all this, McElroy. Some of it is over my head but I have worked out a partial (though not very elegant) solution: I put the "Page Background" icon on the Quick Access Toolbar. Creating a new document, I click on the Page Background icon and choose dark blue and the text automatically comes up white. Perfect. It requires three clicks to get a new blue-background/white text page for every new document but I can live with that. The major problem is that "found" text (text found by the "Find and Replace" function) is highlighted in either dark gray or black, which is almost impossible to find against the dark blue background. If "found" text were highlighted in almost any other color, such that I could see it against the blue background, I would be a happy man ("over the moon" as my daughter says). Is it possible to change the color of "found" text? Thank you again for your time and help McElroy. DCH "E McElroy" wrote: There is a way to get white text on a blue background in Word 2007 by using the following recipe: 1. In the Page Backround group of the Page Layout tab, click Page Color and select a shade of blue - this is the blue background. 2. Type a line of text and then place the insertion point inside a word of text. 3. Right click on the selected text and choose Font from the menu. 4. On the Font dialog box select white in the Font Color drop down list box. The word containing the insertion point will turn white. 5. Without moving the insertion point, right click again and choose Styles from the context menu. This displays a submenu. 6. From the submenu choose Save Selection As A New Quick Style. This displays the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box. 7. In the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box, enter the name of the Style. If you used say, the "Heading 1" style for the text, then you might want to call it "White Font Heading 1". You can alter steps 6 and 7 to change the existing style to have white font - choose Update Heading 1 To Match Selection in step 6. You can see there is a bit of tedium initially: for every style of font you use, at the beginning you will need to create a white font version of it or change it to use white font. However, most documents aren't likely to use a huge number of styles and over time you'll have a big collection which you can store in your normal template file. In fact, a good start might be to edit the normal template file and simply change all the styles to use white font. Perhaps some other folks here can suggest ways to reduce the initial tedium by utilizing themes or some other technique. Some time ago, I believe Word took it's cue from the setting of the system colors for window and window text. Whether that's true now in 2007 with themes I don't know. One of the major goals behind the implementation of system color and font settings was to help people with less than optimal vision to use Windows. This would be worth exploring if the above approach is unsuitable or excessively tedious. E McElroy The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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It sounds like you're very close to what you want except for the highlighting
problem. I had a chance to look at the possible solution of changing system colors which I mentioned in a previous note. Restating the current difficulty is probably a good way to start: Problem: ====== When the page background is blue, the gray selection or highlight rectangle is difficult to see. Changing the System Colors (XP Pro OS): =========================== The system colors are settable to reflect individual preferences and to help people with vision difficulties; at least that was the intent. I set two system colors using the Control Panel which allows changes to a subset of the settable colors: windows and window text were set to blue and white, respectively. Word 2007 does pay attention to the system colors: default page backgrounds were now a deep blue and the default font was white. However, the default color of other style fonts was not white: on my machine, the Heading 1 font was red. So, while Word is making some adjustments to reflect the system colors, the result may not be what you want without further changes to font colors. Additionally, there was no effect on the selection problem: selections were still highlighted by putting the selection inside a gray box which is not easy to see on a blue page. Changing the system colors had other side effects, including some very interesting ones: looking at Outlook and Internet Explorer, it's obvious that some programmers were checking the system colors and others were not. The Dates Received column, for instance, is pure white in Outlook while the lettering in other areas remains black. Internet Explorer did the right thing in some ways: a successful find encloses the located word in a white selection box which stands out nicely on a blue field but other areas were improperly colored. I could go on but it's clear that current software offerings from MS are not being sufficiently tested to see if they gracefully handle changes in the system colors so this may not be a good solution for you overall. Programming: ========= I did a quick look around at some of the Word objects and didn't see any obvious way to tell Word how to display a selected or highlighted area. The problem is not a simple one in the general case since color backgrounds can vary quite a bit in different sections of a document. In your case, however, the background and the font colors seem to be constant so a programming solution might be possible if Word or Office doesn't provide a simpler way. I'll take a further look to get a better handle on the problem and will get back to you. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: Thank you thank you for taking the time to explain all this, McElroy. Some of it is over my head but I have worked out a partial (though not very elegant) solution: I put the "Page Background" icon on the Quick Access Toolbar. Creating a new document, I click on the Page Background icon and choose dark blue and the text automatically comes up white. Perfect. It requires three clicks to get a new blue-background/white text page for every new document but I can live with that. The major problem is that "found" text (text found by the "Find and Replace" function) is highlighted in either dark gray or black, which is almost impossible to find against the dark blue background. If "found" text were highlighted in almost any other color, such that I could see it against the blue background, I would be a happy man ("over the moon" as my daughter says). Is it possible to change the color of "found" text? Thank you again for your time and help McElroy. DCH "E McElroy" wrote: There is a way to get white text on a blue background in Word 2007 by using the following recipe: 1. In the Page Backround group of the Page Layout tab, click Page Color and select a shade of blue - this is the blue background. 2. Type a line of text and then place the insertion point inside a word of text. 3. Right click on the selected text and choose Font from the menu. 4. On the Font dialog box select white in the Font Color drop down list box. The word containing the insertion point will turn white. 5. Without moving the insertion point, right click again and choose Styles from the context menu. This displays a submenu. 6. From the submenu choose Save Selection As A New Quick Style. This displays the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box. 7. In the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box, enter the name of the Style. If you used say, the "Heading 1" style for the text, then you might want to call it "White Font Heading 1". You can alter steps 6 and 7 to change the existing style to have white font - choose Update Heading 1 To Match Selection in step 6. You can see there is a bit of tedium initially: for every style of font you use, at the beginning you will need to create a white font version of it or change it to use white font. However, most documents aren't likely to use a huge number of styles and over time you'll have a big collection which you can store in your normal template file. In fact, a good start might be to edit the normal template file and simply change all the styles to use white font. Perhaps some other folks here can suggest ways to reduce the initial tedium by utilizing themes or some other technique. Some time ago, I believe Word took it's cue from the setting of the system colors for window and window text. Whether that's true now in 2007 with themes I don't know. One of the major goals behind the implementation of system color and font settings was to help people with less than optimal vision to use Windows. This would be worth exploring if the above approach is unsuitable or excessively tedious. E McElroy The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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When I do a print preview, I get a white sheet which indicates that the white
font is being preserved but not the blue background. Since I do mostly programming, I don't have a color printer so I was uncertain whether this was a limitation caused by my printer. Since you brought this up, however, I would guess that you must be seeing a similar result on your print preview. Well, it's easy enough to check for someone with a color printer but whether the blue background is preserved or not, my guess is that it's more economical to purchase blue paper than to color white sheets blue with a printer. E McElroy "Graham Mayor" wrote: Have you tried printing a document with these formatting suggestions? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org DCH wrote: Thank you thank you for taking the time to explain all this, McElroy. Some of it is over my head but I have worked out a partial (though not very elegant) solution: I put the "Page Background" icon on the Quick Access Toolbar. Creating a new document, I click on the Page Background icon and choose dark blue and the text automatically comes up white. Perfect. It requires three clicks to get a new blue-background/white text page for every new document but I can live with that. The major problem is that "found" text (text found by the "Find and Replace" function) is highlighted in either dark gray or black, which is almost impossible to find against the dark blue background. If "found" text were highlighted in almost any other color, such that I could see it against the blue background, I would be a happy man ("over the moon" as my daughter says). Is it possible to change the color of "found" text? Thank you again for your time and help McElroy. DCH "E McElroy" wrote: There is a way to get white text on a blue background in Word 2007 by using the following recipe: 1. In the Page Backround group of the Page Layout tab, click Page Color and select a shade of blue - this is the blue background. 2. Type a line of text and then place the insertion point inside a word of text. 3. Right click on the selected text and choose Font from the menu. 4. On the Font dialog box select white in the Font Color drop down list box. The word containing the insertion point will turn white. 5. Without moving the insertion point, right click again and choose Styles from the context menu. This displays a submenu. 6. From the submenu choose Save Selection As A New Quick Style. This displays the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box. 7. In the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box, enter the name of the Style. If you used say, the "Heading 1" style for the text, then you might want to call it "White Font Heading 1". You can alter steps 6 and 7 to change the existing style to have white font - choose Update Heading 1 To Match Selection in step 6. You can see there is a bit of tedium initially: for every style of font you use, at the beginning you will need to create a white font version of it or change it to use white font. However, most documents aren't likely to use a huge number of styles and over time you'll have a big collection which you can store in your normal template file. In fact, a good start might be to edit the normal template file and simply change all the styles to use white font. Perhaps some other folks here can suggest ways to reduce the initial tedium by utilizing themes or some other technique. Some time ago, I believe Word took it's cue from the setting of the system colors for window and window text. Whether that's true now in 2007 with themes I don't know. One of the major goals behind the implementation of system color and font settings was to help people with less than optimal vision to use Windows. This would be worth exploring if the above approach is unsuitable or excessively tedious. E McElroy The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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You know, this attitude really amazes me. I, as a user of software
applications specifically and a consumer in general, get really annoyed when other people think they know better what I want than I do. In addition to being a consumer I have been a software developer for over 20 years and one rule I have always tried to follow is: Give people what they want. If you don't, they will go elsewhere. Another one is this: don't ever take function away once it is there. As for your "move on" comment. I have applications that are 15 years old that I still use. Why? because they were done well, they work, and they help me do my job. In short, they are useful to me and to be selfish that's all that matters. If this white on blue configuration is useful and desireable for DCH then that is all that matters. There's one more saying we like here in New England: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Apologies to my 5th. grade grammar teacher :-) "Summer" wrote: You REALLY should MOVE on - the same way research does! Regardless you can run both versions 2003/2007 - you can make 2003 the default Word program to open also. "DCH" wrote in message ... The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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If you use blue paper, you will still get an apparently blank page. Word can
print "white" text only by knocking it out of a colored background (unless you have a printer in which you can substitute a white cartridge for the black one and use "Auto" font color). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... When I do a print preview, I get a white sheet which indicates that the white font is being preserved but not the blue background. Since I do mostly programming, I don't have a color printer so I was uncertain whether this was a limitation caused by my printer. Since you brought this up, however, I would guess that you must be seeing a similar result on your print preview. Well, it's easy enough to check for someone with a color printer but whether the blue background is preserved or not, my guess is that it's more economical to purchase blue paper than to color white sheets blue with a printer. E McElroy "Graham Mayor" wrote: Have you tried printing a document with these formatting suggestions? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org DCH wrote: Thank you thank you for taking the time to explain all this, McElroy. Some of it is over my head but I have worked out a partial (though not very elegant) solution: I put the "Page Background" icon on the Quick Access Toolbar. Creating a new document, I click on the Page Background icon and choose dark blue and the text automatically comes up white. Perfect. It requires three clicks to get a new blue-background/white text page for every new document but I can live with that. The major problem is that "found" text (text found by the "Find and Replace" function) is highlighted in either dark gray or black, which is almost impossible to find against the dark blue background. If "found" text were highlighted in almost any other color, such that I could see it against the blue background, I would be a happy man ("over the moon" as my daughter says). Is it possible to change the color of "found" text? Thank you again for your time and help McElroy. DCH "E McElroy" wrote: There is a way to get white text on a blue background in Word 2007 by using the following recipe: 1. In the Page Backround group of the Page Layout tab, click Page Color and select a shade of blue - this is the blue background. 2. Type a line of text and then place the insertion point inside a word of text. 3. Right click on the selected text and choose Font from the menu. 4. On the Font dialog box select white in the Font Color drop down list box. The word containing the insertion point will turn white. 5. Without moving the insertion point, right click again and choose Styles from the context menu. This displays a submenu. 6. From the submenu choose Save Selection As A New Quick Style. This displays the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box. 7. In the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box, enter the name of the Style. If you used say, the "Heading 1" style for the text, then you might want to call it "White Font Heading 1". You can alter steps 6 and 7 to change the existing style to have white font - choose Update Heading 1 To Match Selection in step 6. You can see there is a bit of tedium initially: for every style of font you use, at the beginning you will need to create a white font version of it or change it to use white font. However, most documents aren't likely to use a huge number of styles and over time you'll have a big collection which you can store in your normal template file. In fact, a good start might be to edit the normal template file and simply change all the styles to use white font. Perhaps some other folks here can suggest ways to reduce the initial tedium by utilizing themes or some other technique. Some time ago, I believe Word took it's cue from the setting of the system colors for window and window text. Whether that's true now in 2007 with themes I don't know. One of the major goals behind the implementation of system color and font settings was to help people with less than optimal vision to use Windows. This would be worth exploring if the above approach is unsuitable or excessively tedious. E McElroy The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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That's interesting, something I would never know with my non-color printer.
Of course, it may be that the blue background is intended only for display purposes and is not the intended color of a printout. If it is intended for a printout, in addition to the clever work-around you proposed, changing the font colors to a bright yellow prior to printing and then back again to white afterwards might be a reasonable substitute (yellow on blue was a favorite back in the DOS era). A macro would seem to be required to accomplish the font color changes quickly. No one appears to be volunteering to write one in VBA although it looks pretty straightforward to do so. If there no volunteers in another few days, I will check out a VBA book and code one up (after coding it in C# or C++ to make sure it works!). E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you use blue paper, you will still get an apparently blank page. Word can print "white" text only by knocking it out of a colored background (unless you have a printer in which you can substitute a white cartridge for the black one and use "Auto" font color). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... When I do a print preview, I get a white sheet which indicates that the white font is being preserved but not the blue background. Since I do mostly programming, I don't have a color printer so I was uncertain whether this was a limitation caused by my printer. Since you brought this up, however, I would guess that you must be seeing a similar result on your print preview. Well, it's easy enough to check for someone with a color printer but whether the blue background is preserved or not, my guess is that it's more economical to purchase blue paper than to color white sheets blue with a printer. E McElroy "Graham Mayor" wrote: Have you tried printing a document with these formatting suggestions? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org DCH wrote: Thank you thank you for taking the time to explain all this, McElroy. Some of it is over my head but I have worked out a partial (though not very elegant) solution: I put the "Page Background" icon on the Quick Access Toolbar. Creating a new document, I click on the Page Background icon and choose dark blue and the text automatically comes up white. Perfect. It requires three clicks to get a new blue-background/white text page for every new document but I can live with that. The major problem is that "found" text (text found by the "Find and Replace" function) is highlighted in either dark gray or black, which is almost impossible to find against the dark blue background. If "found" text were highlighted in almost any other color, such that I could see it against the blue background, I would be a happy man ("over the moon" as my daughter says). Is it possible to change the color of "found" text? Thank you again for your time and help McElroy. DCH "E McElroy" wrote: There is a way to get white text on a blue background in Word 2007 by using the following recipe: 1. In the Page Backround group of the Page Layout tab, click Page Color and select a shade of blue - this is the blue background. 2. Type a line of text and then place the insertion point inside a word of text. 3. Right click on the selected text and choose Font from the menu. 4. On the Font dialog box select white in the Font Color drop down list box. The word containing the insertion point will turn white. 5. Without moving the insertion point, right click again and choose Styles from the context menu. This displays a submenu. 6. From the submenu choose Save Selection As A New Quick Style. This displays the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box. 7. In the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box, enter the name of the Style. If you used say, the "Heading 1" style for the text, then you might want to call it "White Font Heading 1". You can alter steps 6 and 7 to change the existing style to have white font - choose Update Heading 1 To Match Selection in step 6. You can see there is a bit of tedium initially: for every style of font you use, at the beginning you will need to create a white font version of it or change it to use white font. However, most documents aren't likely to use a huge number of styles and over time you'll have a big collection which you can store in your normal template file. In fact, a good start might be to edit the normal template file and simply change all the styles to use white font. Perhaps some other folks here can suggest ways to reduce the initial tedium by utilizing themes or some other technique. Some time ago, I believe Word took it's cue from the setting of the system colors for window and window text. Whether that's true now in 2007 with themes I don't know. One of the major goals behind the implementation of system color and font settings was to help people with less than optimal vision to use Windows. This would be worth exploring if the above approach is unsuitable or excessively tedious. E McElroy The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing
department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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OOPS!
This was intended to be a response to Ms Barnhill's reply to W J Wyatt and got misposted in this position by mistake. Sorry. E McElroy "E McElroy" wrote: As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And
marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up there. I did find http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true, which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I
used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise have to hire. I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear to have been short-changed in the process. E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up there. I did find http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true, which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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E McElroy wrote:
Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. Ding! Ding! Ding! The MVP program originated in the Developer Division. It resides in Customer Service and Support these days. Dan |
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I'm truly amazed! Tell me at least that the idea came out of the office of an
Engineering Vice President who spends a lot of time in meetings with Marketing and I'll buy you a lobster lunch the next time you're in the Boston area. E McElroy "Dan Freeman" wrote: E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. Ding! Ding! Ding! The MVP program originated in the Developer Division. It resides in Customer Service and Support these days. Dan |
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In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program.
Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice, usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their selection. While we do have some communication with the product developers, our input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of a great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy. When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx). Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use. Unfortunately, a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it off, either to minimize network traffic or because of security concerns. That makes the overall data somewhat suspect, but the relative frequencies should be fairly trustworthy. I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the "WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons). That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see any reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or outrage enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on the horizon. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise have to hire. I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear to have been short-changed in the process. E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up there. I did find http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true, which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Actually, the genesis of the idea came from "Calvin's List". It's a long
story, but Calvin was a well-known programmer in the Foxpro community. He later joined MSFT and became the lead developer on Visual Foxpro. He is now working on VB.NET. Dan E McElroy wrote: I'm truly amazed! Tell me at least that the idea came out of the office of an Engineering Vice President who spends a lot of time in meetings with Marketing and I'll buy you a lobster lunch the next time you're in the Boston area. E McElroy "Dan Freeman" wrote: E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. Ding! Ding! Ding! The MVP program originated in the Developer Division. It resides in Customer Service and Support these days. Dan |
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I'm greatly indebted to both you and Dan Freeman for the information.
Unfortunately, no one qualified for the free lobster lunch but my guess is that real MVPs would rather hang out with the developers who eat at McDonald's anyway. I fear we're getting away from DCH's problem but the exchange has certainly been elightening for me and I'm sure for others. Thank you very much for the input. Ed McElroy "Jay Freedman" wrote: In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program. Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice, usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their selection. While we do have some communication with the product developers, our input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of a great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy. When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx). Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use. Unfortunately, a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it off, either to minimize network traffic or because of security concerns. That makes the overall data somewhat suspect, but the relative frequencies should be fairly trustworthy. I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the "WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons). That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see any reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or outrage enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on the horizon. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise have to hire. I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear to have been short-changed in the process. E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up there. I did find http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true, which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? 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At TechEd in 1997, one of the evening events divided the hall into four
quadrants, each with a specialization and each with "cuisine" all its own. The Office quadrant got sushi. The Back Office quadrant got an elaborate Italian buffet. What did developers get? WHITE CASTLE! g Dan E McElroy wrote: I'm greatly indebted to both you and Dan Freeman for the information. Unfortunately, no one qualified for the free lobster lunch but my guess is that real MVPs would rather hang out with the developers who eat at McDonald's anyway. I fear we're getting away from DCH's problem but the exchange has certainly been elightening for me and I'm sure for others. Thank you very much for the input. Ed McElroy "Jay Freedman" wrote: In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program. Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice, usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their selection. While we do have some communication with the product developers, our input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of a great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy. When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx). Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use. Unfortunately, a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it off, either to minimize network traffic or because of security concerns. That makes the overall data somewhat suspect, but the relative frequencies should be fairly trustworthy. I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the "WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons). That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see any reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or outrage enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on the horizon. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise have to hire. I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear to have been short-changed in the process. E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up there. I did find http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true, which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Personally I would rather go hungry than eat anything from McDonalds
 I also do what I do in spite of Microsoft rather than because of them. I suspect the company gets far more out of the program than it puts into it. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org E McElroy wrote: I'm greatly indebted to both you and Dan Freeman for the information. Unfortunately, no one qualified for the free lobster lunch but my guess is that real MVPs would rather hang out with the developers who eat at McDonald's anyway. I fear we're getting away from DCH's problem but the exchange has certainly been elightening for me and I'm sure for others. Thank you very much for the input. Ed McElroy "Jay Freedman" wrote: In truth, MS Marketing has very little to do with the MVP program. Microsoft's internal organization that deals directly with MVPs is within the Product Support division. We've had several episodes in which Marketing tried to get us to be evangelists, and we've resisted vigorously. And I have, in fact, occasionally recommended OpenOffice, usually when a poster indicates that cost is a major factor in their selection. While we do have some communication with the product developers, our input on what to add, keep, or drop from the products is only one of a great many sources -- more than I would care to have to satisfy. When you hear that an existing feature is "low usage", the usual source of that information is the Customer Experience Improvement Program (http://www.microsoft.com/products/ce.../default.mspx). Internally, MS calls this the Software Quality Metrics (SQM). It's a phone-home monitor that tells MS what features you use. Unfortunately, a lot of people (especially in corporations) turn it off, either to minimize network traffic or because of security concerns. That makes the overall data somewhat suspect, but the relative frequencies should be fairly trustworthy. I think Suzanne hinted at something else with the ring of truth. The white-on-blue display was introduced in Word 6.0 as part of the "WordPerfect-killer" push (that was also the version with an Easter egg that showed the green WP monster being crushed by Word icons). That battle is now so far in the past that MS probably doesn't see any reason to keep its relicts. If Word 2007 manages to annoy or outrage enough of its users, though, there may be a new battle on the horizon. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:00:02 -0700, E McElroy wrote: Well I certainly don't want to start a war since I don't run as fast as I used to. I do suspect, however, that Microsoft's Marketing department almost certainly regards MVPs as evangelists and may well run more interference for you in the corporate bureaucracy than you might be aware of. Who, for instance, initially came up with the MVP concept? Microsoft's programmers? I'm skeptical but I'm willing to be persuaded. There's nothing wrong with Marketing department support. After all, you're very valuable to Microsoft and their Marketing people are surely aware of that. I wonder, for instance, how often Office MVPs recommend OpenOffice to their clients; and you do a great job providing support for the products in these forums - you're all saving Mr. Gates the salaries of a lot of support people he would otherwise have to hire. I appreciate the information and the insight. In past versions, this feature might have been easier to implement than it is in the current version because of themes and other features. I noticed when I changed the system colors that themes were still going their own way. Perhaps the additional amount of work required was not justified although people with vision problems such as DCH appear to have been short-changed in the process. E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: We are unpaid, but you will start a war if you call us evangelists. And marketing has nothing to do with it; we talk to the developers of the product and have some input into the product design. I can tell you that the reason this feature was dropped was "lack of use." I don't know that I heard this directly viva voce from the product group, though; I would have thought it was in Jensen Harris's Office UI blog, but a search doesn't turn it up there. I did find http://technet2.microsoft.com/Office....mspx?mfr=true, which says that AutoSummarize was "a low-use feature." About BBWT, it just says, "This feature, included in previous versions of Word to emulate legacy versions of WordPerfect, is no longer used." Maybe they just got tired of accommodating WP migrants? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... As unpaid (I assume) evangelists for Word, I'm sure Microsoft's Marketing department would insist that MVPs be kept informed on major changes such as this. It is certainly possible that the feature was dropped as a result of a survey but, unless they specifically said that, it's also quite possible it was a feature they didn't have time to add or it could have been simply an oversight. This was, after all, a major change, and in major changes, some things drop through the cracks. (.NET V1.0 had some famous early gaffes where important functionality was simply forgotten but, in fairness, .NET V1.0 was a project of enormous proportions, far greater, I'm sure, than a rewrite of Word.) All of which is to say, perhaps you can relay to Microsoft that the feature is missed and maybe it will return in the next minor release for those who need or want it. E McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page
Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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I'm sure DCH would appreciate something easier!
I'm not following this completely. Here's what I'm seeing: I press the Print Layout button at the bottom (I don't see a Print Layout tab - am I missing something?); I do a rand() and black text appears on the white background; I pick Page Color as blue on the Page Layout tab; the result is still black text on a blue background. Clicking in a random paragraph indicates that the font color is set to Automatic which is black. What do I have to change in my sequence of steps? Incidentally, my experiments playing around with the font colors has resulted in a selection shading color which is a noticeably darker gray than it was before. Hopefully it will get back to normal after a reboot.... Ed McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were
describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on the Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the font is white. Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but if they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on everyone else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white. Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will. Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn the fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or others because they want to see white font as they type. Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using the Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box. Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the selection shading is still dark gray. Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro to go against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks involved at least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the number of mouse clicks? E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Sorry, that should have been Page Layout tab, not Print Layout. (Too many
"Layouts"!) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... I'm sure DCH would appreciate something easier! I'm not following this completely. Here's what I'm seeing: I press the Layout button at the bottom (I don't see a Print Layout tab - am I missing something?); I do a rand() and black text appears on the white background; I pick Page Color as blue on the Page Layout tab; the result is still black text on a blue background. Clicking in a random paragraph indicates that the font color is set to Automatic which is black. What do I have to change in my sequence of steps? Incidentally, my experiments playing around with the font colors has resulted in a selection shading color which is a noticeably darker gray than it was before. Hopefully it will get back to normal after a reboot.... Ed McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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You shouldn't need to change the font color at all unless you aren't using
the Automatic font color, which is typically black if using the default colors. All you should need to do is change the Page Color on the *Page* Layout tab (not Print Layout - sorry!). Word will automatically take care of the font color switching for you and the built-in styles should switch too. Now, if your Windows Display properties already uses a dark window background and light text then your results will be skewed. It sounds as though this might be the case since you indicated your Automatic font color was white. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on the Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the font is white. Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but if they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on everyone else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white. Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will. Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn the fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or others because they want to see white font as they type. Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using the Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box. Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the selection shading is still dark gray. Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro to go against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks involved at least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the number of mouse clicks? E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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I have to set the automatic font color to white because if I don't, then the
=rand() text will be black. With the automatic color now set to white, it still doesn't affect the styles which use a colored font. The automatic color must be set again after selecting one in the Styles pane, and before typing. Are you getting all white font, even on the Heading and emphasis styles without doing anything? That's interesting because DCH mentioned that he had been successful in most everything except the selection shading by putting the page background button on the QA toolbar. Perhaps I'll be able to figure out as I go along why I'm not getting similar results. Relating to the selection highlight difficulty that I reported (it was dark gray), that turned out to be a leftover from the system color change experiments I did. Restoring the system colors to their default brought back the normal light blue highlighting (I'm using the blue motif). The only difficulty I notice now is color fringing when selecting text in the formula bar in Excel. Selecting text in cells, I get the usual black background with white font. I don't recall seeing color fringing in the formula bar before but I don't know if it's related to the wholesale style manipulations. E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: You shouldn't need to change the font color at all unless you aren't using the Automatic font color, which is typically black if using the default colors. All you should need to do is change the Page Color on the *Page* Layout tab (not Print Layout - sorry!). Word will automatically take care of the font color switching for you and the built-in styles should switch too. Now, if your Windows Display properties already uses a dark window background and light text then your results will be skewed. It sounds as though this might be the case since you indicated your Automatic font color was white. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on the Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the font is white. Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but if they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on everyone else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white. Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will. Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn the fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or others because they want to see white font as they type. Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using the Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box. Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the selection shading is still dark gray. Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro to go against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks involved at least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the number of mouse clicks? E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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You can't set the Automatic Font Color in Word. The Automatic Font Color is
the color assigned to Window Text in your Display Properties. All I am doing is making sure that the font color in the Word document is set to Automatic. (Mine happens to be a dark blue) and then I'm changing the Page Color to a dark color - one that is dark enough for Word to automatically swap the colors for me, including the Styles. Perhaps you aren't using the Automatic font color? Word uses this color by default but if you changed it then that might explain why you are having difficult. To use the Automatic font color, on the Home tab, in the Font group, click Font Color and then click Automatic at the top of the color palette. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... I have to set the automatic font color to white because if I don't, then the =rand() text will be black. With the automatic color now set to white, it still doesn't affect the styles which use a colored font. The automatic color must be set again after selecting one in the Styles pane, and before typing. Are you getting all white font, even on the Heading and emphasis styles without doing anything? That's interesting because DCH mentioned that he had been successful in most everything except the selection shading by putting the page background button on the QA toolbar. Perhaps I'll be able to figure out as I go along why I'm not getting similar results. Relating to the selection highlight difficulty that I reported (it was dark gray), that turned out to be a leftover from the system color change experiments I did. Restoring the system colors to their default brought back the normal light blue highlighting (I'm using the blue motif). The only difficulty I notice now is color fringing when selecting text in the formula bar in Excel. Selecting text in cells, I get the usual black background with white font. I don't recall seeing color fringing in the formula bar before but I don't know if it's related to the wholesale style manipulations. E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: You shouldn't need to change the font color at all unless you aren't using the Automatic font color, which is typically black if using the default colors. All you should need to do is change the Page Color on the *Page* Layout tab (not Print Layout - sorry!). Word will automatically take care of the font color switching for you and the built-in styles should switch too. Now, if your Windows Display properties already uses a dark window background and light text then your results will be skewed. It sounds as though this might be the case since you indicated your Automatic font color was white. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on the Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the font is white. Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but if they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on everyone else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white. Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will. Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn the fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or others because they want to see white font as they type. Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using the Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box. Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the selection shading is still dark gray. Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro to go against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks involved at least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the number of mouse clicks? E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style Dim CurDoc As Document Set CurDoc = ActiveDocument For CurIndex = 1 To CurDoc.Styles.Count Step 1 Set CurStyle = CurDoc.Styles(CurIndex) If CurStyle.NameLocal "Article / Section" Then CurStyle.Font.Color = wdColorWhite CurStyle.Font.ColorIndex = wdWhite End If Next End Sub Of course, this can be improved for those who want to experiment: 1. If there is no ActiveDocument, the procedure should exit. 2. An up front dialog box can be added to allow the user to select the color. 3. VBA has a simple Collection object which can be used to store the initial colors. This can provide the basis of a Restore function to put the initial colors back. If anybody does any experiments along these lines I'd be curious to hear what your results are. Ed McElroy "DCH" wrote: The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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Thanks. Let me cover these individually and see where I'm at:
1. My window text system color is currently set to black. 2. By "setting the Automatic Font Color" I meant setting the color with the font button. I see after a redisplay that the Automatic Font Color stays at black and my description is an abuse of the language. 3. From what you said, making "...sure that the font color in the Word document is set to Automatic" is simply a matter of showing the Font button pallette and clicking on the color box beside the word "Automatic". Well, I did another experiment, first clicking on the Automatic color box; then I did =rand() and got some text; and then I set the page background. With a blue background, the font stayed black but I decided to run over the other colors in a preview and interestingly enough, when the page background color is black or near black, the font changed color to white. My initial hunch is that black font on a blue background is considered readably distinct (by whatever algorithm the code uses) and therefore there is no font switch. Hunch two is that you may be getting a change on a blue background because your system color text font is not black but blue. I'll try changing my system text color and get back to you. Ed McElroy Beth Melton" wrote: You can't set the Automatic Font Color in Word. The Automatic Font Color is the color assigned to Window Text in your Display Properties. All I am doing is making sure that the font color in the Word document is set to Automatic. (Mine happens to be a dark blue) and then I'm changing the Page Color to a dark color - one that is dark enough for Word to automatically swap the colors for me, including the Styles. Perhaps you aren't using the Automatic font color? Word uses this color by default but if you changed it then that might explain why you are having difficult. To use the Automatic font color, on the Home tab, in the Font group, click Font Color and then click Automatic at the top of the color palette. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... I have to set the automatic font color to white because if I don't, then the =rand() text will be black. With the automatic color now set to white, it still doesn't affect the styles which use a colored font. The automatic color must be set again after selecting one in the Styles pane, and before typing. Are you getting all white font, even on the Heading and emphasis styles without doing anything? That's interesting because DCH mentioned that he had been successful in most everything except the selection shading by putting the page background button on the QA toolbar. Perhaps I'll be able to figure out as I go along why I'm not getting similar results. Relating to the selection highlight difficulty that I reported (it was dark gray), that turned out to be a leftover from the system color change experiments I did. Restoring the system colors to their default brought back the normal light blue highlighting (I'm using the blue motif). The only difficulty I notice now is color fringing when selecting text in the formula bar in Excel. Selecting text in cells, I get the usual black background with white font. I don't recall seeing color fringing in the formula bar before but I don't know if it's related to the wholesale style manipulations. E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: You shouldn't need to change the font color at all unless you aren't using the Automatic font color, which is typically black if using the default colors. All you should need to do is change the Page Color on the *Page* Layout tab (not Print Layout - sorry!). Word will automatically take care of the font color switching for you and the built-in styles should switch too. Now, if your Windows Display properties already uses a dark window background and light text then your results will be skewed. It sounds as though this might be the case since you indicated your Automatic font color was white. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on the Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the font is white. Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but if they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on everyone else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white. Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will. Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn the fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or others because they want to see white font as they type. Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using the Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box. Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the selection shading is still dark gray. Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro to go against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks involved at least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the number of mouse clicks? E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. 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I changed the font color of window text to be a darkish blue and tried
another experiment. I made sure to click the Automatic color box in the Font button palette before proceeding. Again there was no change in font color on the bright blue background that I've been using (I use the bright blue in the row of standard colors). However, going to a dark blue background or black background, the font changed to white. Using that very handy preview feature to check out the various backgrounds, it apparently is not so much the similarity between the font color and the background color which triggers the change since I had background colors which were a close match to the font color but there was no change and the font was barely readable. However, on that last row of very dark background colors, the font changed readily to white on several of them. In the standard styles that display with a new document, the majority seem to have a specific color specified and there was no change in that color. The Intense Emphasis style is still red, for example, and the Title font color was very close to the dark blue background it was on but Word didn't change it. But those fonts, and there were several, that didn't have a specific color specified all came out white. I don't know if DCH was looking for all white fonts or whether he was happy with having some of the fonts retain their original color. Of course, any particular color can always be changed. Something tells me that I learned more than anyone else on this particular thread. The automatic color information you provided was informative and interesting. Thanks very much for the input. Ed McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: You can't set the Automatic Font Color in Word. The Automatic Font Color is the color assigned to Window Text in your Display Properties. All I am doing is making sure that the font color in the Word document is set to Automatic. (Mine happens to be a dark blue) and then I'm changing the Page Color to a dark color - one that is dark enough for Word to automatically swap the colors for me, including the Styles. Perhaps you aren't using the Automatic font color? Word uses this color by default but if you changed it then that might explain why you are having difficult. To use the Automatic font color, on the Home tab, in the Font group, click Font Color and then click Automatic at the top of the color palette. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... I have to set the automatic font color to white because if I don't, then the =rand() text will be black. With the automatic color now set to white, it still doesn't affect the styles which use a colored font. The automatic color must be set again after selecting one in the Styles pane, and before typing. Are you getting all white font, even on the Heading and emphasis styles without doing anything? That's interesting because DCH mentioned that he had been successful in most everything except the selection shading by putting the page background button on the QA toolbar. Perhaps I'll be able to figure out as I go along why I'm not getting similar results. Relating to the selection highlight difficulty that I reported (it was dark gray), that turned out to be a leftover from the system color change experiments I did. Restoring the system colors to their default brought back the normal light blue highlighting (I'm using the blue motif). The only difficulty I notice now is color fringing when selecting text in the formula bar in Excel. Selecting text in cells, I get the usual black background with white font. I don't recall seeing color fringing in the formula bar before but I don't know if it's related to the wholesale style manipulations. E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: You shouldn't need to change the font color at all unless you aren't using the Automatic font color, which is typically black if using the default colors. All you should need to do is change the Page Color on the *Page* Layout tab (not Print Layout - sorry!). Word will automatically take care of the font color switching for you and the built-in styles should switch too. Now, if your Windows Display properties already uses a dark window background and light text then your results will be skewed. It sounds as though this might be the case since you indicated your Automatic font color was white. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... I did some more experiments and I think I'm closer to what you were describing. I set the page color to Blue using the Page Color button on the Page Layout tab; on the Home Tab in the Font group I use the Font color button to set the automatic color to white; I enter =rand() and the font is white. Fonts such has the heading fonts or Subtle Emphasis are unaffected but if they're selected first in the Styles pane, and the Font button (same location) is pressed again (I assume it's still showing white on everyone else's machine), subsequent typing in the style is white. Another approach is to simply type and let the color come out at will. Selecting the entire document and using the Font button again can turn the fonts white. Of course, this is not likely to be satisfactory to DCH or others because they want to see white font as they type. Such things as table lines aren't affected but they can be set using the Borders and Shading button on the Table Properties dialog box. Unfortunately, a key requirement for DCH is unaffected since the selection shading is still dark gray. Overall, this approach is likely to be less risky than running a macro to go against all the styles but there will be some extra mouse clicks involved at least in what I've outlined above. Is there any way to reduce the number of mouse clicks? E McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Automatic font color and set the Page Color on the Print Layout tab to a dark color? If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message ... Hi DCH: I promised to get back to you after taking a longer look at the problems of trying to implement white font on a blue screen in Word 2007. Here are my thoughts based on the experiments I've done and my current knowledge of Word 2007: CHANGING ALL FONT COLORS: ========================= I took a look at setting the font color of all styles en masse and came up with a short macro to do this (it's not hard - the code is listed below). After running the macro, text was white in the standard styles (those displayed in the Styles pane at the beginning of a new document), and the text color wasn't affected by themes. I inserted some "smart art" diagrams (where do they get those names?) and the diagram text was also white. As I discuss below, there was at least one surprise and, of course, there are likely to be others since I didn't test every single feature in Word (I'm far from knowing what all the features are, anyway). There are also objects that have to be colored white such as the lines of tables. That isn't part of the code but can be added. CHANGING THE SELECTION HIGHLIGHT: ================================= I have not found a way to tell Word to change the highlight colors. Can it be done? Well, it can be simulated by actually altering the document when a selection is made and restoring it when the selection is not. This is doable with the Selection object. However, this is not a trivial matter since there are many types of objects that can be selected, and highlighting appropriate for text may not be appropriate for other objects. Additionally, a fair amount of bulletproofing code must be added to make sure that changes to the document as part of the selection highlight process are not permanent if there should be a crash. I don't want to bother you with a lot of detail but, while this might be possible, it could be a time-consuming task to do it properly, not only in code development but especially in testing. CONCLUSION: =========== Those familiar with the Word programming SDKs may know better ways to try to solve this problem. From what I currently know, even if it were possible to get Word 2007 to emulate a white on blue screen, it will take time and carry some initial risk. Your best approach in the short term, and quite possibly the long term, is the one you decided on initially: go back to Word 2003. It's a painless solution and the functionality you want is supported by MS and will work without surprises. CODE TO CHANGE STYLE FONT COLOR EN MASSE: ========================================= For those who are interested, here is a simple macro which enumerates the styles and changes their font color. I counted 265 built-in styles, only a small subset of which have symbols defined. Touching one particular style, the one whose name is "Article / Section" had a very unusual side effect: it added numbered list characteristics to the various Heading styles. Hence, there is code here to simply avoid it. I'm not sure when this style comes into play or what the implication is of not setting its color. I found that setting only the Color property was not enough since some of the "emphasis" styles continued to go their own way. Changing the ColorIndex property solved that. There is another color property, ColorIndexBI, which I did not set since the brief documentation for the property indicates that it's for right to left languages. If this is relevant, it should also be set. Here is the macro: Sub WhiteFont() Dim CurStyle As Style |
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I'm glad you got it figured out. :-) Yes, if you were trying to use a light
blue then the colors wouldn't swap. As previously noted, you need use a dark color. Regarding your styles, yes, if you have defined a color other than Automatic then it will stay that color. Now there is another way to do this using Style Sets, one could create a Style Set to be used for a dark background and one for a light background and then simply swap them as needed. But this one is a little more involved. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "E McElroy" wrote in message news  I changed the font color of window text to be a darkish blue and tried another experiment. I made sure to click the Automatic color box in the Font button palette before proceeding. Again there was no change in font color on the bright blue background that I've been using (I use the bright blue in the row of standard colors). However, going to a dark blue background or black background, the font changed to white. Using that very handy preview feature to check out the various backgrounds, it apparently is not so much the similarity between the font color and the background color which triggers the change since I had background colors which were a close match to the font color but there was no change and the font was barely readable. However, on that last row of very dark background colors, the font changed readily to white on several of them. In the standard styles that display with a new document, the majority seem to have a specific color specified and there was no change in that color. The Intense Emphasis style is still red, for example, and the Title font color was very close to the dark blue background it was on but Word didn't change it. But those fonts, and there were several, that didn't have a specific color specified all came out white. I don't know if DCH was looking for all white fonts or whether he was happy with having some of the fonts retain their original color. Of course, any particular color can always be changed. Something tells me that I learned more than anyone else on this particular thread. The automatic color information you provided was informative and interesting. Thanks very much for the input. Ed McElroy "Beth Melton" wrote: If you use the Automatic font color then Word will automatically swap the darker and lighter colors for you. It will also swap the colors when you print since the page color isn't automatically printed. To try this: - Create a new document - On the first line type: =rand() and press Enter (this should provide you with some dummy text) - On the Print Layout tab, click Page Color and point to a dark color. Live Preview should show you the automatic change once you select a color that is dark enough. - Select the color and then switch to Print Preview |
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Or you can always use the "Print entire document" feature on your printer. If
it's a color printer, It will print out the background as well. Just check out print preview BEFORE you print. "E McElroy" wrote: That's interesting, something I would never know with my non-color printer. Of course, it may be that the blue background is intended only for display purposes and is not the intended color of a printout. If it is intended for a printout, in addition to the clever work-around you proposed, changing the font colors to a bright yellow prior to printing and then back again to white afterwards might be a reasonable substitute (yellow on blue was a favorite back in the DOS era). A macro would seem to be required to accomplish the font color changes quickly. No one appears to be volunteering to write one in VBA although it looks pretty straightforward to do so. If there no volunteers in another few days, I will check out a VBA book and code one up (after coding it in C# or C++ to make sure it works!). E McElroy "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you use blue paper, you will still get an apparently blank page. Word can print "white" text only by knocking it out of a colored background (unless you have a printer in which you can substitute a white cartridge for the black one and use "Auto" font color). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "E McElroy" wrote in message ... When I do a print preview, I get a white sheet which indicates that the white font is being preserved but not the blue background. Since I do mostly programming, I don't have a color printer so I was uncertain whether this was a limitation caused by my printer. Since you brought this up, however, I would guess that you must be seeing a similar result on your print preview. Well, it's easy enough to check for someone with a color printer but whether the blue background is preserved or not, my guess is that it's more economical to purchase blue paper than to color white sheets blue with a printer. E McElroy "Graham Mayor" wrote: Have you tried printing a document with these formatting suggestions? -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org DCH wrote: Thank you thank you for taking the time to explain all this, McElroy. Some of it is over my head but I have worked out a partial (though not very elegant) solution: I put the "Page Background" icon on the Quick Access Toolbar. Creating a new document, I click on the Page Background icon and choose dark blue and the text automatically comes up white. Perfect. It requires three clicks to get a new blue-background/white text page for every new document but I can live with that. The major problem is that "found" text (text found by the "Find and Replace" function) is highlighted in either dark gray or black, which is almost impossible to find against the dark blue background. If "found" text were highlighted in almost any other color, such that I could see it against the blue background, I would be a happy man ("over the moon" as my daughter says). Is it possible to change the color of "found" text? Thank you again for your time and help McElroy. DCH "E McElroy" wrote: There is a way to get white text on a blue background in Word 2007 by using the following recipe: 1. In the Page Backround group of the Page Layout tab, click Page Color and select a shade of blue - this is the blue background. 2. Type a line of text and then place the insertion point inside a word of text. 3. Right click on the selected text and choose Font from the menu. 4. On the Font dialog box select white in the Font Color drop down list box. The word containing the insertion point will turn white. 5. Without moving the insertion point, right click again and choose Styles from the context menu. This displays a submenu. 6. From the submenu choose Save Selection As A New Quick Style. This displays the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box. 7. In the Create New Style From Formatting dialog box, enter the name of the Style. If you used say, the "Heading 1" style for the text, then you might want to call it "White Font Heading 1". You can alter steps 6 and 7 to change the existing style to have white font - choose Update Heading 1 To Match Selection in step 6. You can see there is a bit of tedium initially: for every style of font you use, at the beginning you will need to create a white font version of it or change it to use white font. However, most documents aren't likely to use a huge number of styles and over time you'll have a big collection which you can store in your normal template file. In fact, a good start might be to edit the normal template file and simply change all the styles to use white font. Perhaps some other folks here can suggest ways to reduce the initial tedium by utilizing themes or some other technique. Some time ago, I believe Word took it's cue from the setting of the system colors for window and window text. Whether that's true now in 2007 with themes I don't know. One of the major goals behind the implementation of system color and font settings was to help people with less than optimal vision to use Windows. This would be worth exploring if the above approach is unsuitable or excessively tedious. E McElroy The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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"DCH" wrote: Regarding "You REALLY should MOVE on..." This is the second such reply I've received (the first to a similar question). Let me just say that not every one enjoys the healthy eyesight you obviously enjoy. -- DCH "Summer" wrote: You REALLY should MOVE on - the same way research does! Regardless you can run both versions 2003/2007 - you can make 2003 the default Word program to open also. "DCH" wrote in message ... The deletion of the blue background/white text option in Word 2007 is sending me back to Word 2003. Can I uninstall Word 2007 and re-install Word 2003 while retaining the rest of Office 2007? And if so, can you tell me how? Many thanks for whatever suggestions anyone may have, DCH |
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