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How can I insert a section break within a column?
I have a rather complicated problem that I will try to carefully explain below.
I am writing an epic poem. (Yes, an epic poem.) The formatting I want is as follows: I want every page to have two columns. My poem has cantos (like chapters) and sections (within those cantos). The poem has 4 line stanzas, except that every section ends with a doublet (2-line stanza. I am using line numbering for every fourth line, so that the last line of every stanza has a line number by it. However, since the end of a section has a couplet instead of a quartet, a section messes this up so that the line number now shows in the middle of every stanza. I would rather have the line numbering COUNT the two lines of the couplet but not display the number till the end of the next quartet. Example: How it looks now: Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah 4 Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah **** Blah blah blah 8 Blah blah Blah Blah blah blah Blah blah Blah How I want it to look: How it looks now: Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah 4 Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah **** Blah blah blah Blah blah Blah Blah blah blah 10 Blah blah Blah I thought one way I could make this work would be to add a continuous section break. Then I could "reset" the line numbering with each section and begin the numbering of the second section manually so that it continues from the previous section. However, when I added the continuous section break, it split my columns. That is, it drew an invisible line horizontally across the page. The first section wrapped to the second column when it reached this line. The second section started on the left column below this line and wrapped to the second column below this line. I don't want the column formatting to behave any differently than if there were no section break. Example: # = lines * = section break What I want it to do: 1 10 2 3 11 4 12 13 5 14 6 15 * 16 17 7 18 8 9 What it does instead: 1 2 5 3 6 4 * 7 13 8 14 9 10 15 16 11 17 12 18 Is there any way to solve my problem? Thanks for reading through this long and complicated question. |
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How can I insert a section break within a column?
There is no way to place any kind of section break within a column in
the way you want. All of the section being ended will be placed on the part of the page above the break, and there is no way to alter that. The solution, if you call it that, is to remove the section breaks and the automatic line numbering, replacing it with a text box or frame placed in the margin and containing a fixed series of numbers. This is the way numbering is done in the legal pleading template that comes with Word. In that case, the numbers are the same on each page, so the text box is anchored in the heading to make it repeat. It appears that you'll need different numbers on each page, and you'll need separate boxes for the two columns, so they'll have to be anchored in the first paragraph of each column instead. Because the content and location of each text box will depend on how the lines fit on the pages, the insertion of the numbers will have to wait until the editing and formatting of the whole document is complete, or risk having to make adjustments over and over. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:16:01 -0700, Lhynard wrote: I have a rather complicated problem that I will try to carefully explain below. I am writing an epic poem. (Yes, an epic poem.) The formatting I want is as follows: I want every page to have two columns. My poem has cantos (like chapters) and sections (within those cantos). The poem has 4 line stanzas, except that every section ends with a doublet (2-line stanza. I am using line numbering for every fourth line, so that the last line of every stanza has a line number by it. However, since the end of a section has a couplet instead of a quartet, a section messes this up so that the line number now shows in the middle of every stanza. I would rather have the line numbering COUNT the two lines of the couplet but not display the number till the end of the next quartet. Example: How it looks now: Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah 4 Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah **** Blah blah blah 8 Blah blah Blah Blah blah blah Blah blah Blah How I want it to look: How it looks now: Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah 4 Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah **** Blah blah blah Blah blah Blah Blah blah blah 10 Blah blah Blah I thought one way I could make this work would be to add a continuous section break. Then I could "reset" the line numbering with each section and begin the numbering of the second section manually so that it continues from the previous section. However, when I added the continuous section break, it split my columns. That is, it drew an invisible line horizontally across the page. The first section wrapped to the second column when it reached this line. The second section started on the left column below this line and wrapped to the second column below this line. I don't want the column formatting to behave any differently than if there were no section break. Example: # = lines * = section break What I want it to do: 1 10 2 3 11 4 12 13 5 14 6 15 * 16 17 7 18 8 9 What it does instead: 1 2 5 3 6 4 * 7 13 8 14 9 10 15 16 11 17 12 18 Is there any way to solve my problem? Thanks for reading through this long and complicated question. |
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How can I insert a section break within a column?
Thank you very much for your quick and detailed reply.
Yeah, I think the alternative you propose will be more work than it is worth. I could also just go with hitting a tab at the end of my stanzas and manually typing a number, which is what I used to do, but once I figured out how to get line numbering to work, it looked a lot nicer in the left margin and saves a ton of time if I decide to insert lines at later dates. Oh well; leave it to me to find things that Word simply cannot do. Is there a place here to leave suggestions for future editions of Word? One other quick question: Is it possible to have line numbering count by different amounts for different parts of the text without using section breaks? Because that would solve my problem also. "Jay Freedman" wrote: There is no way to place any kind of section break within a column in the way you want. All of the section being ended will be placed on the part of the page above the break, and there is no way to alter that. The solution, if you call it that, is to remove the section breaks and the automatic line numbering, replacing it with a text box or frame placed in the margin and containing a fixed series of numbers. This is the way numbering is done in the legal pleading template that comes with Word. In that case, the numbers are the same on each page, so the text box is anchored in the heading to make it repeat. It appears that you'll need different numbers on each page, and you'll need separate boxes for the two columns, so they'll have to be anchored in the first paragraph of each column instead. Because the content and location of each text box will depend on how the lines fit on the pages, the insertion of the numbers will have to wait until the editing and formatting of the whole document is complete, or risk having to make adjustments over and over. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:16:01 -0700, Lhynard wrote: I have a rather complicated problem that I will try to carefully explain below. I am writing an epic poem. (Yes, an epic poem.) The formatting I want is as follows: I want every page to have two columns. My poem has cantos (like chapters) and sections (within those cantos). The poem has 4 line stanzas, except that every section ends with a doublet (2-line stanza. I am using line numbering for every fourth line, so that the last line of every stanza has a line number by it. However, since the end of a section has a couplet instead of a quartet, a section messes this up so that the line number now shows in the middle of every stanza. I would rather have the line numbering COUNT the two lines of the couplet but not display the number till the end of the next quartet. Example: How it looks now: Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah 4 Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah **** Blah blah blah 8 Blah blah Blah Blah blah blah Blah blah Blah How I want it to look: How it looks now: Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah 4 Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah **** Blah blah blah Blah blah Blah Blah blah blah 10 Blah blah Blah I thought one way I could make this work would be to add a continuous section break. Then I could "reset" the line numbering with each section and begin the numbering of the second section manually so that it continues from the previous section. However, when I added the continuous section break, it split my columns. That is, it drew an invisible line horizontally across the page. The first section wrapped to the second column when it reached this line. The second section started on the left column below this line and wrapped to the second column below this line. I don't want the column formatting to behave any differently than if there were no section break. Example: # = lines * = section break What I want it to do: 1 10 2 3 11 4 12 13 5 14 6 15 * 16 17 7 18 8 9 What it does instead: 1 2 5 3 6 4 * 7 13 8 14 9 10 15 16 11 17 12 18 Is there any way to solve my problem? Thanks for reading through this long and complicated question. |
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How can I insert a section break within a column?
Sorry to keep being a wet blanket, but line numbering is a section
property (that is, its settings are stored in the section break at the end of the section, and it applies to the entire section). Other section properties include margins, orientation, headers and footers. To change the line numbering settings at any point, you do need a section break. On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:31:02 -0700, Lhynard wrote: Thank you very much for your quick and detailed reply. Yeah, I think the alternative you propose will be more work than it is worth. I could also just go with hitting a tab at the end of my stanzas and manually typing a number, which is what I used to do, but once I figured out how to get line numbering to work, it looked a lot nicer in the left margin and saves a ton of time if I decide to insert lines at later dates. Oh well; leave it to me to find things that Word simply cannot do. Is there a place here to leave suggestions for future editions of Word? One other quick question: Is it possible to have line numbering count by different amounts for different parts of the text without using section breaks? Because that would solve my problem also. "Jay Freedman" wrote: There is no way to place any kind of section break within a column in the way you want. All of the section being ended will be placed on the part of the page above the break, and there is no way to alter that. The solution, if you call it that, is to remove the section breaks and the automatic line numbering, replacing it with a text box or frame placed in the margin and containing a fixed series of numbers. This is the way numbering is done in the legal pleading template that comes with Word. In that case, the numbers are the same on each page, so the text box is anchored in the heading to make it repeat. It appears that you'll need different numbers on each page, and you'll need separate boxes for the two columns, so they'll have to be anchored in the first paragraph of each column instead. Because the content and location of each text box will depend on how the lines fit on the pages, the insertion of the numbers will have to wait until the editing and formatting of the whole document is complete, or risk having to make adjustments over and over. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:16:01 -0700, Lhynard wrote: I have a rather complicated problem that I will try to carefully explain below. I am writing an epic poem. (Yes, an epic poem.) The formatting I want is as follows: I want every page to have two columns. My poem has cantos (like chapters) and sections (within those cantos). The poem has 4 line stanzas, except that every section ends with a doublet (2-line stanza. I am using line numbering for every fourth line, so that the last line of every stanza has a line number by it. However, since the end of a section has a couplet instead of a quartet, a section messes this up so that the line number now shows in the middle of every stanza. I would rather have the line numbering COUNT the two lines of the couplet but not display the number till the end of the next quartet. Example: How it looks now: Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah 4 Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah **** Blah blah blah 8 Blah blah Blah Blah blah blah Blah blah Blah How I want it to look: How it looks now: Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah 4 Blah blah blah Blah blah blah Blah blah blah **** Blah blah blah Blah blah Blah Blah blah blah 10 Blah blah Blah I thought one way I could make this work would be to add a continuous section break. Then I could "reset" the line numbering with each section and begin the numbering of the second section manually so that it continues from the previous section. However, when I added the continuous section break, it split my columns. That is, it drew an invisible line horizontally across the page. The first section wrapped to the second column when it reached this line. The second section started on the left column below this line and wrapped to the second column below this line. I don't want the column formatting to behave any differently than if there were no section break. Example: # = lines * = section break What I want it to do: 1 10 2 3 11 4 12 13 5 14 6 15 * 16 17 7 18 8 9 What it does instead: 1 2 5 3 6 4 * 7 13 8 14 9 10 15 16 11 17 12 18 Is there any way to solve my problem? Thanks for reading through this long and complicated question. |
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