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Restart Page No Deletes Even Page Footer
Hi All Long document with 4-5 sections currently. Different first page. Different odd and even pages. Significant Heading 2 usage. Next page section break at the end of the first (title - nothing in footer) page. I'm inserting the page numbers as follows: 1. Click in body of page TWO 2. View, Footer (which is NOT linked to previous) 3. Click Insert Page Number button on floating toolbar 4. Highlight this entire field, then Click Format Page Number button [choose options: Include Chapter No (Heading 2), Start at 1]. Results: 1. Even page footer on this page disappears and all of my text is moved to page 3 which is an ODD page footer. The page no there is 1. 2. The next footer (an EVEN page footer) has page no 2. 3. Cannot do anything at all to access this entirely blank page 2. Not even its footers. It's as if I had an ODD page section break inserted at the end of the first page but it is still listed as a NEXT page section break. However if I click in page 1 and go to File, Page Setup the break is listed as 'Continuous'. Assumptions: . A programmer somewhere decided that if I want to start at one in a new section, it must begin with an ODD page footer? . Rove was right - "WHAT THE?" (apologies to non-Australian audiences; comedy show host - recommended viewing). Grateful: . For your ideas, any and all - thanks. PS Have installed the latest service pack and feel that I've seen a step by step outline of doing then trying A B C D, etc to resolve but cannot relocate this on the web - again if you've seen it grateful for a url. -- chris |
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Restart Page No Deletes Even Page Footer
With different odd and even page footers, Word does indeed assume that odd
page numbers (numerically) must be on odd folios ("recto" physical page sides in a duplex document). This is correct printing practice. If you have a single unnumbered title page, you would normally start the main body on the next right-hand page, and number it 1 (or 3). If you do continue text on the back of the first page, then it should be numbered 2 (the first page is included in the page count, even though no number appears). -- Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org "chris" wrote in message ... Hi All Long document with 4-5 sections currently. Different first page. Different odd and even pages. Significant Heading 2 usage. Next page section break at the end of the first (title - nothing in footer) page. I'm inserting the page numbers as follows: 1. Click in body of page TWO 2. View, Footer (which is NOT linked to previous) 3. Click Insert Page Number button on floating toolbar 4. Highlight this entire field, then Click Format Page Number button [choose options: Include Chapter No (Heading 2), Start at 1]. Results: 1. Even page footer on this page disappears and all of my text is moved to page 3 which is an ODD page footer. The page no there is 1. 2. The next footer (an EVEN page footer) has page no 2. 3. Cannot do anything at all to access this entirely blank page 2. Not even its footers. It's as if I had an ODD page section break inserted at the end of the first page but it is still listed as a NEXT page section break. However if I click in page 1 and go to File, Page Setup the break is listed as 'Continuous'. Assumptions: A programmer somewhere decided that if I want to start at one in a new section, it must begin with an ODD page footer? Rove was right - "WHAT THE?" (apologies to non-Australian audiences; comedy show host - recommended viewing). Grateful: For your ideas, any and all - thanks. PS Have installed the latest service pack and feel that I've seen a step by step outline of doing then trying A B C D, etc to resolve but cannot relocate this on the web - again if you've seen it grateful for a url. -- chris |
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Restart Page No Deletes Even Page Footer
chris wrote:
Hi All Long document with 4-5 sections currently. Different first page. Different odd and even pages. Significant Heading 2 usage. Next page section break at the end of the first (title - nothing in footer) page. I'm inserting the page numbers as follows: 1. Click in body of page TWO 2. View, Footer (which is NOT linked to previous) 3. Click Insert Page Number button on floating toolbar 4. Highlight this entire field, then Click Format Page Number button [choose options: Include Chapter No (Heading 2), Start at 1]. Results: 1. Even page footer on this page disappears and all of my text is moved to page 3 which is an ODD page footer. The page no there is 1. 2. The next footer (an EVEN page footer) has page no 2. It sounds like you're trying to force the page numbers to go on the wrong pages. The physical realities of codex binding led to odd page numbers always being on the right-hand side. You can get around this if your printing and copying scheme requires it: put a calculation field into the footer, {page}+1 or {page}-1. Variations on that can be used to make columns simulate multiple pages per sheet. Assumptions: . A programmer somewhere decided that if I want to start at one in a new section, it must begin with an ODD page footer? For once, the programmer followed the conventional typographic tradition! . Rove was right - "WHAT THE?" (apologies to non-Australian audiences; comedy show host - recommended viewing). This Rove person must have missed the codicology classes when he was at university. |
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Restart Page No Deletes Even Page Footer
Thanks for the explanation - indeed, I agree with the concept but it is unfortunately not what the client requires. Are there any workarounds (ie any way to, for instance, access the page field switches or would I be looking at a VBA solution which says something like:for every new section page no restarts) so that I can number the first left-hand page (verso?) to restart as page 1? Thanks again all. -- chris |
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Restart Page No Deletes Even Page Footer
Thank you both. I'm grateful for your insight - indeed, I agree and have strongly urged to client to reconsider their numbering system but to no avail. The new chapter or heading 2 information must begin on a left-hand (verso?) page. There is often (although not consistently) a related diagram on the right-hand page and thus the information can be read in context. I will revisit the articles on page numbering - particularly sectionpages as their numbering links to the Heading 2 style where Heading 2 might be, 2.1, page would becomes 2.1 page 1 and so on. I thought I had heard that sectionpages could be tricky to have working well. Could you possibly expand a little on the column idea for me as I hadn't heard of it before. How does it link in with page numbers? Thanks again, C. -- chris |
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chris wrote:
Could you possibly expand a little on the column idea for me as I hadn't heard of it before. How does it link in with page numbers? I've never known anyone else to use it either. Put fields into the footer, lined up with the columns, so that they look like page numbers. This can be useful when you have to produce paired pages or for accordion-fold bindings. |
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Restart Page No Deletes Even Page Footer
Hi Chris
chris wrote: Thanks for the explanation - indeed, I agree with the concept but it is unfortunately not what the client requires. Are there any workarounds (ie any way to, for instance, access the page field switches or would I be looking at a VBA solution which says something like:for every new section page no restarts) so that I can number the first left-hand page (verso?) to restart as page 1? Instead of showing a mere PAGE field, you can calculate something else (i.e., add or subtract "1") and show this instead. But, i.e., a TOC will still reflect what the PAGE field itself shows, nothing else. You could tell your client to put the graphic on the left hand side and start the chapter on the right side. Another thought would be to forget about "Different odd/even" and place your page numbers in the middle. You can even use IF fields around your header/footer entries to distinguish whether you are on an odd or even page and "act accordingly", so to speak. A lot more effort than starting on the right side, but it could work ... 2cents Robert -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MS \ / | MVP X Against HTML | for / \ in e-mail & news | Word |
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