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How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will
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There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to
learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number
of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America,
which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Well they would say that - they have stockholders to consider
It will be interesting to see what the *actual* take-up figures are like. For many businesses 2007 is an answer to a problem they haven't got (until MS pulls the plug on 2003). -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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I cannot imagine a user of nearly 15 years, like myself, converting to the
Ribbon UI. This is an unimaginable design blunder. Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access
data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with
the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more
productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? Yes, I am more productive and faster. I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. Hmm, I see. Yes, that kind of scenario isn't supported. Ironically, I make an add-in that could be used to get the old menu/toolbar system somewhat back... Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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I have saved a link to your website and if ever forced to convert...
I just cannot understand why they ditched nearly a decade of habits when improvements in performance, stability, and security would have a greater impact on the product's reputation. They opened the door for OpenOffice and they didn't have to. I spent some time on the live demo. Excel's ribbon's (I use Excel a lot) were frustrating, but it is a dead horse. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? Yes, I am more productive and faster. I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. Hmm, I see. Yes, that kind of scenario isn't supported. Ironically, I make an add-in that could be used to get the old menu/toolbar system somewhat back... Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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It probably does, it just isn't my habit.
I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Microsoft claims that their statistics were inclusive of power users,
but I doubt it. To read more about what MS has told us and what I think about that: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/14/66 I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my Can you explain what you mean with order of keystrokes? There is one for the Ribbon, so I am wondering... Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed |
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By "order of keystrokes", I assume that you mean shortcut key combinations.
I think that you will find that most, if not all of them, are unchanged from previous versions. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP "Folstaff" wrote in message ... It probably does, it just isn't my habit. I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as
the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut. You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ... or ... ... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is yours. -- Enjoy, Tony "Folstaff" wrote in message ... It probably does, it just isn't my habit. I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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The position of the icon affects the shortcut? Does that mean the hot key for
the option changes based on what is seen? I hate customization b/c I wanted to learn where things were located. If you customize you can't help someone else as easily. I have helped people in the past by talking them through keystrokes over the phone. That sounds like a lost procedure now. "Tony Jollans" wrote: There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut. You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ... or ... ... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is yours. -- Enjoy, Tony "Folstaff" wrote in message ... It probably does, it just isn't my habit. I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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The position of the icon affects the shortcut? Does that mean the hot key
for the option changes based on what is seen? On the QAT, yes. Alt,1 (that is Alt followed by 1 - which is not the same as Alt+1 together although Alt+1 together will work if it is not assigned to anything else) is the hotkey for the first icon on the QAT, Alt, 2 the second one, and so on up to Alt,9 then Alt,0,9 then - well, I'll let you look for yourself; the prompts for keys when you press Alt are quite handy. Shortcuts for items on the Ribbon are, as far as I know, consistent but exactly what appears on screen depends on what will fit depending on screen resolution and window size. -- Enjoy, Tony "Folstaff" wrote in message ... The position of the icon affects the shortcut? Does that mean the hot key for the option changes based on what is seen? I hate customization b/c I wanted to learn where things were located. If you customize you can't help someone else as easily. I have helped people in the past by talking them through keystrokes over the phone. That sounds like a lost procedure now. "Tony Jollans" wrote: There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut. You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ... or ... ... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is yours. -- Enjoy, Tony "Folstaff" wrote in message ... It probably does, it just isn't my habit. I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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In fact, Office 2007 Menu and Toolbars could be show again. Just download and
install Classic Menu for Office 2007 from http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice, you will see the classic menu and toolbars again. |
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Kevin,
Thanks. I know that this is the type of addin that could really help adoption. The screenshots looked good. The Ribbon is still hogging a good bit of the screen, but it looks like a must have for a good bit of the install base. Thanks again. "Kevin" wrote: In fact, Office 2007 Menu and Toolbars could be show again. Just download and install Classic Menu for Office 2007 from http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice, you will see the classic menu and toolbars again. |
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I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who
choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... |
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Worth saying twice, eh?
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JC in Houston" wrote in message ... I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... |
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yep, yep.
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Worth saying twice, eh? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "JC in Houston" wrote in message ... I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... I find the removal of the classic menu structure indicative of people who choose to practice in theory rather than in reality. I have been a technical writer for many years and have used both FrameMaker and Word for 99% of my work. I know many of my comrades hate Word, but it has always worked well for me, until now. I have converted completely over to FrameMaker. The new MS Ribbons will not be part of my work. I hope Microsoft will realize that there are many who prefer the old menus. The little icons look much too fluffy for me. I think people who like pictures will love the new Office, but for tech pros who need programs to work for them, I doubt that it will be received in a positive light. I enjoy the MS propaganda, though. I'm sure they really believe what they are saying.... |
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Why not give the user the capability to use the old menus or the ribbon? Like
you do in the operating systems (classic v.s. XP). Pretty simple, huh? -- JP "Folstaff" wrote: Kevin, Thanks. I know that this is the type of addin that could really help adoption. The screenshots looked good. The Ribbon is still hogging a good bit of the screen, but it looks like a must have for a good bit of the install base. Thanks again. "Kevin" wrote: In fact, Office 2007 Menu and Toolbars could be show again. Just download and install Classic Menu for Office 2007 from http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice, you will see the classic menu and toolbars again. |
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Hi J.P.,
Actually, no it isn't a simple thing to combine the two of them to the point where it was reliable on a large scale deployable basis in the time frame allowed for delivering the product. Things can get somewhat more complex within each of the Office apps as they are not coded to a common base, but to different feature sets and methods. =================== "JP" wrote in message ... Why not give the user the capability to use the old menus or the ribbon? Like you do in the operating systems (classic v.s. XP). Pretty simple, huh? -- JP -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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We use and beta test RibbonCustomizer by Patrick Schmidt MVP. It offers a
free STARTER version and also offers FREE ClassicUI tabs for Word Excel and PowerPoint as first and last tab on Ribbon menu. It is the best interface of all three ClassicUI tabs I have tested. I use Professional version but if you are after only ClassicUI tabs for Ribbon they are available from Trial download and are yours permanently to use. Read Patrick's site for further details on how to download and ClassicUI tabs Word Excel PowerPoint. http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribbon...er/starter.php Janine www.docsliveonline.com "JP" wrote in message ... Why not give the user the capability to use the old menus or the ribbon? Like you do in the operating systems (classic v.s. XP). Pretty simple, huh? -- JP "Folstaff" wrote: Kevin, Thanks. I know that this is the type of addin that could really help adoption. The screenshots looked good. The Ribbon is still hogging a good bit of the screen, but it looks like a must have for a good bit of the install base. Thanks again. "Kevin" wrote: In fact, Office 2007 Menu and Toolbars could be show again. Just download and install Classic Menu for Office 2007 from http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice, you will see the classic menu and toolbars again. |
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If they could provide the same functionality in the classic menus/toolbars
as they do with the Ribbon then there wouldn't have been a need to create the Ribbon in the first place. :-) The old UI was designed for the 80s, back when there was around only 1/4 of the commands in the application, plus the Ribbon offers more than a list of menus and such to choose from. While there are add-ins available that provide the old UI, if you use an add-in instead of the Ribbon you lose out on the new functionality - they only provide the commands that were in the previous versions - and other than the advantages of the new file type you're not gaining much by upgrading in the first place. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "JP" wrote in message ... Why not give the user the capability to use the old menus or the ribbon? Like you do in the operating systems (classic v.s. XP). Pretty simple, huh? |
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I whole-heartedly agree with the common sentiment amongst experienced Office
users that the new ribbon menus result in a quantum leap backward in productivity. I have found that it takes 2 to 4 times as long to perform common tasks in Excel when using the ribbon menus, largely due to Microsoft's new preoccupation with forcing users to complete a series of single commands. As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. It is now mind-numbing. I couldn't afford the loss of productivity when in Excel 2007, and have reverted back to Excel 2000. I am considering doing the same for the other Office products, retaining Office 2007 solely to access files from clients who were equally foolish enough to upgrade. Frankly, I'm appalled by the tenor of the comments made by Microsoft's representatives, in which users' distinct dissatisfaction with the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of the ribbon menus is brushed off as impatience on our part, and the fact that the classic menus were not offered as an option in Office 2007. It appears that Microsoft has lost touch with the vast majority of its users (and proponents), and has decided to "fix" something that didn't need fixing: the menus. It's time for an upgrade, in which the classic menus become available. In the meantime, I'm warding off all my friends and colleagues from upgrading until Microsoft presents something worth buying (developers' opinions notwithstanding). |
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Did you find the modeless Format dialog box? It's the one you can use to
change multiple options, each change you make can be viewed immediately (which is great when you're not sure about the specific look you're after) and since it's modeless you can leave it open, select another element and modify it as well - no need to open and close dialog boxes. I've found this method to be far more efficient than double-clicking an element, make my changes, click OK, find out I didn't like something, double-click the element again, make more changes, click OK and repeat the process for each chart element I want to modify. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. |
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FWIW, it should be noted that there are no "representatives of Microsoft" in
this NG. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... I whole-heartedly agree with the common sentiment amongst experienced Office users that the new ribbon menus result in a quantum leap backward in productivity. I have found that it takes 2 to 4 times as long to perform common tasks in Excel when using the ribbon menus, largely due to Microsoft's new preoccupation with forcing users to complete a series of single commands. As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. It is now mind-numbing. I couldn't afford the loss of productivity when in Excel 2007, and have reverted back to Excel 2000. I am considering doing the same for the other Office products, retaining Office 2007 solely to access files from clients who were equally foolish enough to upgrade. Frankly, I'm appalled by the tenor of the comments made by Microsoft's representatives, in which users' distinct dissatisfaction with the ineffectiveness and inefficiency of the ribbon menus is brushed off as impatience on our part, and the fact that the classic menus were not offered as an option in Office 2007. It appears that Microsoft has lost touch with the vast majority of its users (and proponents), and has decided to "fix" something that didn't need fixing: the menus. It's time for an upgrade, in which the classic menus become available. In the meantime, I'm warding off all my friends and colleagues from upgrading until Microsoft presents something worth buying (developers' opinions notwithstanding). |
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Just to add to the comments made already here.
Take a look at http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 It gives you an index to the blog the Office UI Team (that created the Ribbon) has about that new UI. There are a bunch of articles there titled "Why the new UI" that I would suggest as reading. As Summer already pointed out, I offer a set of Classic UI tabs that you can use with the free edition of my add-in. It's free, because I believe no one can do a good job with a classic UI in 2007 for all the design reasons pointed out in the blog posts referenced above and for some practical reasons listed in my description of the featu http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribbon...etourpart3.php It's also free, because my add-in is primarily for customizing the Office 2007 ribbon, not for providing a classic UI in 2007. There are two other vendors that offer a classic UI feature for Office 2007. Classic Menus (http://www.addintools.com/english/me...ce/default.htm) which is relatively similar to what I offer for free and ToolbarToggle (http://toolbartoggle.com), which takes a bit of a different approach (ToolbarToggle Lite is similar to what I offer). Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Outlook 2007 Performance Update: http://pschmid.net/blog/2007/04/13/105 Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://ribboncustomizer.com OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "JP" wrote in message : Why not give the user the capability to use the old menus or the ribbon? Like you do in the operating systems (classic v.s. XP). Pretty simple, huh? -- JP "Folstaff" wrote: Kevin, Thanks. I know that this is the type of addin that could really help adoption. The screenshots looked good. The Ribbon is still hogging a good bit of the screen, but it looks like a must have for a good bit of the install base. Thanks again. "Kevin" wrote: In fact, Office 2007 Menu and Toolbars could be show again. Just download and install Classic Menu for Office 2007 from http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice, you will see the classic menu and toolbars again. |
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It came as a great surprize to hear that there was a "modeless Format dialog
box" with which multiple changes could be made to Excel 2007 charts. I was so encouraged by your comment that I immediately opened up an Excel 2007 spreadsheet & chart to explore the possibilities. Unfortunately, the new ribbon commands didn't include any obvious reference to said functionality, nor did the "help" function perform its duty in any combination or subset of "modeless Format dialog box". I can only assume that this function remains "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma"; much like the rationale for the new ribbons, despite what is stated on http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 . Obviously, if an experienced user can't find a function, there is a problem, and it doesn't lie with the user. I had later purchased the third-party "classic" menus provided by http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice after a few weeks of floudering with Excel 2007, and while their menus are a welcome respite to the new ribbons, they seem to provide about 90% of the previous functionality of Excel. Reverting to an earlier version of Excel was more expedient than continuing to deal with Excel 2007. "Every good idea deserves a decent burial", and while I don't expect those committed to the ribbons to kill off their invention, I'd truly appreciate the reinstatement of the efficient functionality of the menus. If the user has to hunt for the occassional odd menu command, that's a small price to pay for overall effectiveness and efficiency. "Beth Melton" wrote: Did you find the modeless Format dialog box? It's the one you can use to change multiple options, each change you make can be viewed immediately (which is great when you're not sure about the specific look you're after) and since it's modeless you can leave it open, select another element and modify it as well - no need to open and close dialog boxes. I've found this method to be far more efficient than double-clicking an element, make my changes, click OK, find out I didn't like something, double-click the element again, make more changes, click OK and repeat the process for each chart element I want to modify. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. |
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Sorry, Joe, I should have noted to access the dialog box you need to click a
Dialog Box Launcher (small box in the bottom right corner) on the Shape Styles Group on the Format tab, or you can use the right-click, select the Format element command as you could in previous versions. If you didn't discover the dialog box launchers, you'll see them in various groups and they provide access to the dialog boxes and most of them are identical to those from previous versions. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... It came as a great surprize to hear that there was a "modeless Format dialog box" with which multiple changes could be made to Excel 2007 charts. I was so encouraged by your comment that I immediately opened up an Excel 2007 spreadsheet & chart to explore the possibilities. Unfortunately, the new ribbon commands didn't include any obvious reference to said functionality, nor did the "help" function perform its duty in any combination or subset of "modeless Format dialog box". I can only assume that this function remains "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma"; much like the rationale for the new ribbons, despite what is stated on http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 . Obviously, if an experienced user can't find a function, there is a problem, and it doesn't lie with the user. I had later purchased the third-party "classic" menus provided by http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice after a few weeks of floudering with Excel 2007, and while their menus are a welcome respite to the new ribbons, they seem to provide about 90% of the previous functionality of Excel. Reverting to an earlier version of Excel was more expedient than continuing to deal with Excel 2007. "Every good idea deserves a decent burial", and while I don't expect those committed to the ribbons to kill off their invention, I'd truly appreciate the reinstatement of the efficient functionality of the menus. If the user has to hunt for the occassional odd menu command, that's a small price to pay for overall effectiveness and efficiency. "Beth Melton" wrote: Did you find the modeless Format dialog box? It's the one you can use to change multiple options, each change you make can be viewed immediately (which is great when you're not sure about the specific look you're after) and since it's modeless you can leave it open, select another element and modify it as well - no need to open and close dialog boxes. I've found this method to be far more efficient than double-clicking an element, make my changes, click OK, find out I didn't like something, double-click the element again, make more changes, click OK and repeat the process for each chart element I want to modify. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. |
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Thanks: I'd accessed this same menu previously by right-clicking on the line.
Using this menu, it requires well over 20 mouse clicks to alter line characteristics, as opposed to half that number with previous versions of Excel. This isn't identical to previous versions by any means, and I can't see how this an improvement. Why Microsoft didn't put all the line characteristics (series options, marker options, marker colour, marker line colour, marker line style, line style, line colour, shadow, 3-D format) in a single window is a mystery to me, particularly since they're all interrelated. Perhaps the developers were trying to maintain a pure adherence to "Fitt's Law", in which the mouse movements are minimized, while forgetting that the original objective was to make life easier for users. I can't imagine anything more inefficient than doubling the number of mouse clicks to attain the same end product. Frankly, I can't see how the ribbon menus made it through Microsoft's approval process. I'll continue using earlier versions of Office until Microsoft comes up with a fix. I'll continue telling other users not to upgrade until they do, because they can always download the trial version and get frustrated for free. __________________________________________________ _ "Beth Melton" wrote: Sorry, Joe, I should have noted to access the dialog box you need to click a Dialog Box Launcher (small box in the bottom right corner) on the Shape Styles Group on the Format tab, or you can use the right-click, select the Format element command as you could in previous versions. If you didn't discover the dialog box launchers, you'll see them in various groups and they provide access to the dialog boxes and most of them are identical to those from previous versions. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... It came as a great surprize to hear that there was a "modeless Format dialog box" with which multiple changes could be made to Excel 2007 charts. I was so encouraged by your comment that I immediately opened up an Excel 2007 spreadsheet & chart to explore the possibilities. Unfortunately, the new ribbon commands didn't include any obvious reference to said functionality, nor did the "help" function perform its duty in any combination or subset of "modeless Format dialog box". I can only assume that this function remains "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma"; much like the rationale for the new ribbons, despite what is stated on http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 . Obviously, if an experienced user can't find a function, there is a problem, and it doesn't lie with the user. I had later purchased the third-party "classic" menus provided by http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice after a few weeks of floudering with Excel 2007, and while their menus are a welcome respite to the new ribbons, they seem to provide about 90% of the previous functionality of Excel. Reverting to an earlier version of Excel was more expedient than continuing to deal with Excel 2007. "Every good idea deserves a decent burial", and while I don't expect those committed to the ribbons to kill off their invention, I'd truly appreciate the reinstatement of the efficient functionality of the menus. If the user has to hunt for the occassional odd menu command, that's a small price to pay for overall effectiveness and efficiency. "Beth Melton" wrote: Did you find the modeless Format dialog box? It's the one you can use to change multiple options, each change you make can be viewed immediately (which is great when you're not sure about the specific look you're after) and since it's modeless you can leave it open, select another element and modify it as well - no need to open and close dialog boxes. I've found this method to be far more efficient than double-clicking an element, make my changes, click OK, find out I didn't like something, double-click the element again, make more changes, click OK and repeat the process for each chart element I want to modify. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. |
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I guess I'm still not following what you are referring to - exactly what you
want is available. If I right-click a chart element, such as a data series (by placing my mouse over the element and right-clicking - this works best when the element isn't already selected), and then click Format Data Series then I can change multiple formats in the Format Data Series dialog box, such as Series Options, Marker Options, Marker Fill, Line Color, Line Style, Marker Line Color, Marker Line Style, Shadow, and 3D Format. If I make a modification I can see it instantly and I can leave the dialog box open, select another element and make modifications. Then, of course, if I create similar charts using the same format, I'll make the modifications once and save them as a Chart Template (on the Design tab) and then it's available in the Templates folder of the Change Chart Type dialog box for other charts. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... Thanks: I'd accessed this same menu previously by right-clicking on the line. Using this menu, it requires well over 20 mouse clicks to alter line characteristics, as opposed to half that number with previous versions of Excel. This isn't identical to previous versions by any means, and I can't see how this an improvement. Why Microsoft didn't put all the line characteristics (series options, marker options, marker colour, marker line colour, marker line style, line style, line colour, shadow, 3-D format) in a single window is a mystery to me, particularly since they're all interrelated. Perhaps the developers were trying to maintain a pure adherence to "Fitt's Law", in which the mouse movements are minimized, while forgetting that the original objective was to make life easier for users. I can't imagine anything more inefficient than doubling the number of mouse clicks to attain the same end product. Frankly, I can't see how the ribbon menus made it through Microsoft's approval process. I'll continue using earlier versions of Office until Microsoft comes up with a fix. I'll continue telling other users not to upgrade until they do, because they can always download the trial version and get frustrated for free. __________________________________________________ _ "Beth Melton" wrote: Sorry, Joe, I should have noted to access the dialog box you need to click a Dialog Box Launcher (small box in the bottom right corner) on the Shape Styles Group on the Format tab, or you can use the right-click, select the Format element command as you could in previous versions. If you didn't discover the dialog box launchers, you'll see them in various groups and they provide access to the dialog boxes and most of them are identical to those from previous versions. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... It came as a great surprize to hear that there was a "modeless Format dialog box" with which multiple changes could be made to Excel 2007 charts. I was so encouraged by your comment that I immediately opened up an Excel 2007 spreadsheet & chart to explore the possibilities. Unfortunately, the new ribbon commands didn't include any obvious reference to said functionality, nor did the "help" function perform its duty in any combination or subset of "modeless Format dialog box". I can only assume that this function remains "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma"; much like the rationale for the new ribbons, despite what is stated on http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 . Obviously, if an experienced user can't find a function, there is a problem, and it doesn't lie with the user. I had later purchased the third-party "classic" menus provided by http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice after a few weeks of floudering with Excel 2007, and while their menus are a welcome respite to the new ribbons, they seem to provide about 90% of the previous functionality of Excel. Reverting to an earlier version of Excel was more expedient than continuing to deal with Excel 2007. "Every good idea deserves a decent burial", and while I don't expect those committed to the ribbons to kill off their invention, I'd truly appreciate the reinstatement of the efficient functionality of the menus. If the user has to hunt for the occassional odd menu command, that's a small price to pay for overall effectiveness and efficiency. "Beth Melton" wrote: Did you find the modeless Format dialog box? It's the one you can use to change multiple options, each change you make can be viewed immediately (which is great when you're not sure about the specific look you're after) and since it's modeless you can leave it open, select another element and modify it as well - no need to open and close dialog boxes. I've found this method to be far more efficient than double-clicking an element, make my changes, click OK, find out I didn't like something, double-click the element again, make more changes, click OK and repeat the process for each chart element I want to modify. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. |
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Just for the record... I hate the Ribbon Bar as well. It is large and
clumsy. Although not a 100% non-mouse user, I use the mouse to get to the tools on my toolbar when needed. I was forced to switch about 2 months ago and still hate the Ribbon Bar, miss my tool bars and have whacked together a poor excuse for a toolbar using the quick access feature for most applications. A poor substitute at best. What were they thinkin'? "Oh sure, our users won't mind clicking 2-3 extra times to search out a function rather than having right there on a tool bar! Nah! Not important." Somebody is out of touch! |
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(for whatever reason, my reply was lost ... here it is again)
Beth, that dialog box for Format Data Series is exactly my problem: it consists of a cluster of nine formatting options, all of which would be more efficiently handled in a single window with all options shown. With the opening and closing of each individual formatting option, it now takes more than twice as many mouse clicks to accomplish the same task ... hardy a step forward in productivity. Furthermore, after each operation the graph redraws itself: not bad, except with several thousand data points on each of several lines, that process alone slows down the reformatting procedure for each and every modification, even with ample RAM. Formerly, all modifications were specified before the graph was redrawn. In summary, with Office 2007 I'm spending more time to perform tedious operations, and I resent it. Several contributors in this Discussion Group imply that those users dissatisfied with the new ribbons are either Luddites who can't face change, or that they only need more time with which to familiarize themselves with the ribbons. I, for one, don't believe it; I like constructive change. Instead, the ribbon developers should now realize that they've made a collosal mistake in not offering menus, and reinstate them. These ribbons are truly inefficient, and have forced me to reinstall an older version of Excel so that I can get some work done. "Beth Melton" wrote: I guess I'm still not following what you are referring to - exactly what you want is available. If I right-click a chart element, such as a data series (by placing my mouse over the element and right-clicking - this works best when the element isn't already selected), and then click Format Data Series then I can change multiple formats in the Format Data Series dialog box, such as Series Options, Marker Options, Marker Fill, Line Color, Line Style, Marker Line Color, Marker Line Style, Shadow, and 3D Format. If I make a modification I can see it instantly and I can leave the dialog box open, select another element and make modifications. Then, of course, if I create similar charts using the same format, I'll make the modifications once and save them as a Chart Template (on the Design tab) and then it's available in the Templates folder of the Change Chart Type dialog box for other charts. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... Thanks: I'd accessed this same menu previously by right-clicking on the line. Using this menu, it requires well over 20 mouse clicks to alter line characteristics, as opposed to half that number with previous versions of Excel. This isn't identical to previous versions by any means, and I can't see how this an improvement. Why Microsoft didn't put all the line characteristics (series options, marker options, marker colour, marker line colour, marker line style, line style, line colour, shadow, 3-D format) in a single window is a mystery to me, particularly since they're all interrelated. Perhaps the developers were trying to maintain a pure adherence to "Fitt's Law", in which the mouse movements are minimized, while forgetting that the original objective was to make life easier for users. I can't imagine anything more inefficient than doubling the number of mouse clicks to attain the same end product. Frankly, I can't see how the ribbon menus made it through Microsoft's approval process. I'll continue using earlier versions of Office until Microsoft comes up with a fix. I'll continue telling other users not to upgrade until they do, because they can always download the trial version and get frustrated for free. __________________________________________________ _ "Beth Melton" wrote: Sorry, Joe, I should have noted to access the dialog box you need to click a Dialog Box Launcher (small box in the bottom right corner) on the Shape Styles Group on the Format tab, or you can use the right-click, select the Format element command as you could in previous versions. If you didn't discover the dialog box launchers, you'll see them in various groups and they provide access to the dialog boxes and most of them are identical to those from previous versions. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... It came as a great surprize to hear that there was a "modeless Format dialog box" with which multiple changes could be made to Excel 2007 charts. I was so encouraged by your comment that I immediately opened up an Excel 2007 spreadsheet & chart to explore the possibilities. Unfortunately, the new ribbon commands didn't include any obvious reference to said functionality, nor did the "help" function perform its duty in any combination or subset of "modeless Format dialog box". I can only assume that this function remains "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma"; much like the rationale for the new ribbons, despite what is stated on http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 . Obviously, if an experienced user can't find a function, there is a problem, and it doesn't lie with the user. I had later purchased the third-party "classic" menus provided by http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice after a few weeks of floudering with Excel 2007, and while their menus are a welcome respite to the new ribbons, they seem to provide about 90% of the previous functionality of Excel. Reverting to an earlier version of Excel was more expedient than continuing to deal with Excel 2007. "Every good idea deserves a decent burial", and while I don't expect those committed to the ribbons to kill off their invention, I'd truly appreciate the reinstatement of the efficient functionality of the menus. If the user has to hunt for the occassional odd menu command, that's a small price to pay for overall effectiveness and efficiency. "Beth Melton" wrote: Did you find the modeless Format dialog box? It's the one you can use to change multiple options, each change you make can be viewed immediately (which is great when you're not sure about the specific look you're after) and since it's modeless you can leave it open, select another element and modify it as well - no need to open and close dialog boxes. I've found this method to be far more efficient than double-clicking an element, make my changes, click OK, find out I didn't like something, double-click the element again, make more changes, click OK and repeat the process for each chart element I want to modify. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. |
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You're right, the new dialog boxes need some work. I'm not thrilled with
them, I do think they are more efficient in most cases when it comes to determining what you want and I like the ability to leave them open, as opposed to opening/closing the old dialog boxes, but they are I do think that's an area that is in dire need of improvement, if not a total revamp. But I don't agree that the Ribbon and the dialog boxes are related. The Ribbon is one element and was created by a different group than those who created the dialog boxes and if they had a classic menu option you'd still have the same dialog boxes. That being the case, then it sounds like you dislike the new dialog boxes and it's not really a desire for the old menu bar, right? Regarding what may or may not be implied when someone doesn't like the Ribbon, first, as Suzanne noted, no one here is a representative of Microsoft and Microsoft doesn't force anyone to think one way or another. I think what it comes down to is there is there are two types of feedback, constructive and educated feedback, and there's destructive and uneducated feedback. Those who start throwing around assumptions and making uneducated statements after spending a short time with the new interface typically need some time to adjust and they shouldn't be attempting to sway others with their irrational assumptions. Then there are those who can provide specific issues, based on an educated analysis (such as in your case), and provide specific examples - that's the type of feedback that Microsoft should hear and wants to know about. :-) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... (for whatever reason, my reply was lost ... here it is again) Beth, that dialog box for Format Data Series is exactly my problem: it consists of a cluster of nine formatting options, all of which would be more efficiently handled in a single window with all options shown. With the opening and closing of each individual formatting option, it now takes more than twice as many mouse clicks to accomplish the same task ... hardy a step forward in productivity. Furthermore, after each operation the graph redraws itself: not bad, except with several thousand data points on each of several lines, that process alone slows down the reformatting procedure for each and every modification, even with ample RAM. Formerly, all modifications were specified before the graph was redrawn. In summary, with Office 2007 I'm spending more time to perform tedious operations, and I resent it. Several contributors in this Discussion Group imply that those users dissatisfied with the new ribbons are either Luddites who can't face change, or that they only need more time with which to familiarize themselves with the ribbons. I, for one, don't believe it; I like constructive change. Instead, the ribbon developers should now realize that they've made a collosal mistake in not offering menus, and reinstate them. These ribbons are truly inefficient, and have forced me to reinstall an older version of Excel so that I can get some work done. "Beth Melton" wrote: I guess I'm still not following what you are referring to - exactly what you want is available. If I right-click a chart element, such as a data series (by placing my mouse over the element and right-clicking - this works best when the element isn't already selected), and then click Format Data Series then I can change multiple formats in the Format Data Series dialog box, such as Series Options, Marker Options, Marker Fill, Line Color, Line Style, Marker Line Color, Marker Line Style, Shadow, and 3D Format. If I make a modification I can see it instantly and I can leave the dialog box open, select another element and make modifications. Then, of course, if I create similar charts using the same format, I'll make the modifications once and save them as a Chart Template (on the Design tab) and then it's available in the Templates folder of the Change Chart Type dialog box for other charts. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... Thanks: I'd accessed this same menu previously by right-clicking on the line. Using this menu, it requires well over 20 mouse clicks to alter line characteristics, as opposed to half that number with previous versions of Excel. This isn't identical to previous versions by any means, and I can't see how this an improvement. Why Microsoft didn't put all the line characteristics (series options, marker options, marker colour, marker line colour, marker line style, line style, line colour, shadow, 3-D format) in a single window is a mystery to me, particularly since they're all interrelated. Perhaps the developers were trying to maintain a pure adherence to "Fitt's Law", in which the mouse movements are minimized, while forgetting that the original objective was to make life easier for users. I can't imagine anything more inefficient than doubling the number of mouse clicks to attain the same end product. Frankly, I can't see how the ribbon menus made it through Microsoft's approval process. I'll continue using earlier versions of Office until Microsoft comes up with a fix. I'll continue telling other users not to upgrade until they do, because they can always download the trial version and get frustrated for free. __________________________________________________ _ "Beth Melton" wrote: Sorry, Joe, I should have noted to access the dialog box you need to click a Dialog Box Launcher (small box in the bottom right corner) on the Shape Styles Group on the Format tab, or you can use the right-click, select the Format element command as you could in previous versions. If you didn't discover the dialog box launchers, you'll see them in various groups and they provide access to the dialog boxes and most of them are identical to those from previous versions. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... It came as a great surprize to hear that there was a "modeless Format dialog box" with which multiple changes could be made to Excel 2007 charts. I was so encouraged by your comment that I immediately opened up an Excel 2007 spreadsheet & chart to explore the possibilities. Unfortunately, the new ribbon commands didn't include any obvious reference to said functionality, nor did the "help" function perform its duty in any combination or subset of "modeless Format dialog box". I can only assume that this function remains "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma"; much like the rationale for the new ribbons, despite what is stated on http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 . Obviously, if an experienced user can't find a function, there is a problem, and it doesn't lie with the user. I had later purchased the third-party "classic" menus provided by http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice after a few weeks of floudering with Excel 2007, and while their menus are a welcome respite to the new ribbons, they seem to provide about 90% of the previous functionality of Excel. Reverting to an earlier version of Excel was more expedient than continuing to deal with Excel 2007. "Every good idea deserves a decent burial", and while I don't expect those committed to the ribbons to kill off their invention, I'd truly appreciate the reinstatement of the efficient functionality of the menus. If the user has to hunt for the occassional odd menu command, that's a small price to pay for overall effectiveness and efficiency. "Beth Melton" wrote: Did you find the modeless Format dialog box? It's the one you can use to change multiple options, each change you make can be viewed immediately (which is great when you're not sure about the specific look you're after) and since it's modeless you can leave it open, select another element and modify it as well - no need to open and close dialog boxes. I've found this method to be far more efficient than double-clicking an element, make my changes, click OK, find out I didn't like something, double-click the element again, make more changes, click OK and repeat the process for each chart element I want to modify. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "joe_btfsplk" wrote in message ... As an example, in Excel the simple reformatting of a line on a graph used to be accomplished by double-clicking on the line, and adjusting all line characteristics at once. Now, the double-clicking doesn't work, and each individual line characteristic must be changed individually, in a number of different windows. |
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I tend to think of it as Microsoft having welded the training wheels back on
my racing bike. Mike "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Regarding what may or may not be implied when someone doesn't like the Ribbon, first, as Suzanne noted, no one here is a representative of Microsoft and Microsoft doesn't force anyone to think one way or another. I think what it comes down to is there is there are two types of feedback, constructive and educated feedback, and there's destructive and uneducated feedback. Those who start throwing around assumptions and making uneducated statements after spending a short time with the new interface typically need some time to adjust and they shouldn't be attempting to sway others with their irrational assumptions. |
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Heh, at first I compared it to taking away my DeLorean and giving me a Ugo.
grin I also contacted my clients and told them not to upgrade. I can easily admit that initially I, too, made assumptions and made uneducated statements. But the more I learned about Office 2007 the more I realized I was wrong. As a matter of fact, I just upgraded a client (yes, I recanted my previous advice) so we can redo his forms and take advantage of the new content controls. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "Mike Starr" wrote in message ... I tend to think of it as Microsoft having welded the training wheels back on my racing bike. Mike "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... Regarding what may or may not be implied when someone doesn't like the Ribbon, first, as Suzanne noted, no one here is a representative of Microsoft and Microsoft doesn't force anyone to think one way or another. I think what it comes down to is there is there are two types of feedback, constructive and educated feedback, and there's destructive and uneducated feedback. Those who start throwing around assumptions and making uneducated statements after spending a short time with the new interface typically need some time to adjust and they shouldn't be attempting to sway others with their irrational assumptions. |
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The Arrogance of Microsoft
This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance! I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research before buying. Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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