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Opentype often has swashes, ligatures, (true) small caps etc...
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Hi Fraudulent
Fraudulent wrote: Opentype often has swashes, ligatures, (true) small caps etc... I know windows can handle it, why not word? how can Windows handle SmallCaps? Ligatures, you have to insert them directly. That's surely not the best solution. OTOH, at least in my language, not every occurrence of, say, "ft" should get the corresponding ligature. 2cents Robert -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MSFT | \ / | MVP | Scientific Reports X Against HTML | for | with Word? / \ in e-mail & news | Word | http://www.masteringword.eu/ |
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On Jun 3, 4:04*pm, "Robert M. Franz (RMF)"
wrote: Hi Fraudulent Fraudulent wrote: Opentype often has swashes, ligatures, (true) small caps etc... I know windows can handle it, why not word? how can Windows handle SmallCaps? Ligatures, you have to insert them directly. That's surely not the best solution. OTOH, at least in my language, not every occurrence of, say, "ft" should get the corresponding ligature. Both of these situations are handled well in FrameMaker. When "Pair Kerning" is turned on, it automatically substitutes the fi, fl, ff ligatures for the separate characters but still reads them as the separate letters for hyphenating and spellchecking (unfortunately it doesn't do it for ffi and ffl, which are only available in nonstandard fonts). For true small caps, you need to have a separate font with characters with the proper lineweights to match the regular text type, but FM calls it when the SmallCaps option is chosen in Character Format. I even have an Adobe PostScript font (for Mac) of true German Fraktur IWittenberger Fraktur), which comes with all the ligatures used there, such as ch and sz, but plain American FrameMaker apparently doesn't have the special coding it needs, so they have to be put in by hand. |
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Hi grammatim
grammatim wrote: Both of these situations are handled well in FrameMaker. When "Pair Kerning" is turned on, it automatically substitutes the fi, fl, ff ligatures for the separate characters but still reads them as the separate letters for hyphenating and spellchecking (unfortunately it doesn't do it for ffi and ffl, which are only available in nonstandard fonts). yep, proper DTP apps should do that. And in an ideal world, "know" when (language dependent) the ligature applies and when not. For true small caps, you need to have a separate font with characters with the proper lineweights to match the regular text type, but FM calls it when the SmallCaps option is chosen in Character Format. Agreed. And that's why I was asking the OP how Windows handles these (I really have no idea, but I'd be surprised there was any support for this on the OS level itself). Greetinx Robert -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MSFT | \ / | MVP | Scientific Reports X Against HTML | for | with Word? / \ in e-mail & news | Word | http://www.masteringword.eu/ |
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On Jun 4, 5:26*pm, "Robert M. Franz (RMF)"
wrote: Hi grammatim grammatim wrote: Both of these situations are handled well in FrameMaker. When "Pair Kerning" is turned on, it automatically substitutes the fi, fl, ff ligatures for the separate characters but still reads them as the separate letters for hyphenating and spellchecking (unfortunately it doesn't do it for ffi and ffl, which are only available in nonstandard fonts). yep, proper DTP apps should do that. And in an ideal world, "know" when (language dependent) the ligature applies and when not. For true small caps, you need to have a separate font with characters with the proper lineweights to match the regular text type, but FM calls it when the SmallCaps option is chosen in Character Format. Agreed. And that's why I was asking the OP how Windows handles these (I really have no idea, but I'd be surprised there was any support for this on the OS level itself). Unfortunately I don't own any small caps fonts on my Windows machine, but from what people have said about the difference between a Bold font and a font that includes a Bold variation, I doubt that Word is able to link a separate font to a character trait. |
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I can attest that this is true. If the font is listed separately in Word's
font list, then you have to apply it manually. I do have such a set: Adobe PostScript OldStyle 7 and OldStyle 7 and OldStyle SC, and you must apply the latter manually to use its small caps. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "grammatim" wrote in message ... On Jun 4, 5:26 pm, "Robert M. Franz (RMF)" wrote: Hi grammatim grammatim wrote: Both of these situations are handled well in FrameMaker. When "Pair Kerning" is turned on, it automatically substitutes the fi, fl, ff ligatures for the separate characters but still reads them as the separate letters for hyphenating and spellchecking (unfortunately it doesn't do it for ffi and ffl, which are only available in nonstandard fonts). yep, proper DTP apps should do that. And in an ideal world, "know" when (language dependent) the ligature applies and when not. For true small caps, you need to have a separate font with characters with the proper lineweights to match the regular text type, but FM calls it when the SmallCaps option is chosen in Character Format. Agreed. And that's why I was asking the OP how Windows handles these (I really have no idea, but I'd be surprised there was any support for this on the OS level itself). Unfortunately I don't own any small caps fonts on my Windows machine, but from what people have said about the difference between a Bold font and a font that includes a Bold variation, I doubt that Word is able to link a separate font to a character trait. |
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grammatim wrote:
Unfortunately I don't own any small caps fonts on my Windows machine, but from what people have said about the difference between a Bold font and a font that includes a Bold variation, I doubt that Word is able to link a separate font to a character trait. that's a fact. I was referring to the OP's claim that "Windows can handle it" ... Greetinx Robert -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | MSFT | \ / | MVP | Scientific Reports X Against HTML | for | with Word? / \ in e-mail & news | Word | http://www.masteringword.eu/ |
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