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Word07 Outline won't properly number
This is the fourth time I have tried to ask this question in
'word.general.questions' but it never make it to the list. I am not sure if there are intermediaries involved or technical problems. And yes, I am waiting many hours between posts. Like many of you, I am frustrated, disappointed, even angry at how complicated and counterintuitive the use of outlines is in Word07. I am not looking to create a complicated environment in which different 'levels' are connected to very different formats. I simply want to create outlines in which (1.) it is easy to move elements around (to promote or demote, to move up or down), (2.) in which elements can be expanded or collapsed, (3.) all with a coherent numbering scheme. This is easy in OneNote07 where it is the default. I finally managed this long ago in WordXP, but not without hard wiring my 'headings' so that only one system was acceptable. Still I did it, having to "program" WordXP to even get it to produce the most basic outlines. While I have had Word07 for over a year I still cannot get it to produce even the most basic outline. I should point out that if one uses the "help" of Word 07, and ask how to create an multilevel outline, I am forwarded to how to create multilevel numbered lists, lists which don't have the ability to expand and collapse lower levels. This seems a flaw. When I search around further, I am forwarded to websites that explain outlines for earlier versions of Word (where the link between levels was clearer). So here's the problem more simply: Suppose I want to create a simple 1/a/1/a/ outline. I go to the outline tab at the bottom of any page. I type something in the blank codument and assume that Word 07 will believe I am at 'Level I.' It is unclear because, of course, I have to go back to the Home tab on the ribbon in order to see what style is being used, such as 'Heading 1'. I then go to the paragraph subset of the home tab and choose multilevel outline. I see the "define new multilevel list' option which gives some indication of what level I'm at.' I see 1.) appear at the beginning of the first line. I hit return, see the second element with its 2.) appear. I now demote that elements using the shortcut shft-alt-right arrow, expecting it to turn into 'a.)' (I could use the arrow). But while the heading on the styles above does shift to 'Heading 2,' the number sequence does not change! So I end up with outlines that look proceed serially not like a multilevel list 1. 2. 3. 4. If the links between the levels and the headings are broken, why is it so hard to find any information on the Microsoft websites to fix this? Again, I have followed other information that the Microsoft website has provided since I simply want to begin with the "format" of each level to be the same - I don't want blue fonts, bold or italics, changes in the space between paragraph elements, etc. I simply want a simple outline, but with more functionality than a numbered list (eg. including ability to expand and collapse). In the future I might decide at some level might be bold or not. For the record, using 'modify style,' these are the styles of the headings: Heading 1 : Font: (Asian) +Headings Asian, (Default) Calibri, 12 pt, Justified, Line spacing: Multiple 1.15 li, Widow/Orphan control, Keep with next, Keep lines together, Level 1, Style: Linked, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Following style: Normal Heading2: Level 2, Style: Linked, Hide until used, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Based on: Heading 1, Following style: Normal Heading3: Level 3, Style: Linked, Hide until used, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Based on: Heading 2, Following style: Normal Etc. (I don't know anything about this Asian heading). So is there any hope of creating even the most basic outline which will look something like: 1. a. b. 2. I hope this gets through (and FYI, I am using the Vista64 OS). As a College Prof. who has also taught writing, I would love to have a straightforward way to explain how to create outlines in Word for college level students. At this point, I'm sure they're ready to jump to OpenOffice or some other competitor. I have told them that outlines are very useful for writing documents, but I can not longer produce them in MS-Word 2007. G. |
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I have seen at least one previous post from you with identical content and
replied to it, but you may find it easier to find the messages you have posted if you post in the Numbering newsgroup, which has much lower traffic. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geodesic" wrote in message ... This is the fourth time I have tried to ask this question in 'word.general.questions' but it never make it to the list. I am not sure if there are intermediaries involved or technical problems. And yes, I am waiting many hours between posts. Like many of you, I am frustrated, disappointed, even angry at how complicated and counterintuitive the use of outlines is in Word07. I am not looking to create a complicated environment in which different 'levels' are connected to very different formats. I simply want to create outlines in which (1.) it is easy to move elements around (to promote or demote, to move up or down), (2.) in which elements can be expanded or collapsed, (3.) all with a coherent numbering scheme. This is easy in OneNote07 where it is the default. I finally managed this long ago in WordXP, but not without hard wiring my 'headings' so that only one system was acceptable. Still I did it, having to "program" WordXP to even get it to produce the most basic outlines. While I have had Word07 for over a year I still cannot get it to produce even the most basic outline. I should point out that if one uses the "help" of Word 07, and ask how to create an multilevel outline, I am forwarded to how to create multilevel numbered lists, lists which don't have the ability to expand and collapse lower levels. This seems a flaw. When I search around further, I am forwarded to websites that explain outlines for earlier versions of Word (where the link between levels was clearer). So here's the problem more simply: Suppose I want to create a simple 1/a/1/a/ outline. I go to the outline tab at the bottom of any page. I type something in the blank codument and assume that Word 07 will believe I am at 'Level I.' It is unclear because, of course, I have to go back to the Home tab on the ribbon in order to see what style is being used, such as 'Heading 1'. I then go to the paragraph subset of the home tab and choose multilevel outline. I see the "define new multilevel list' option which gives some indication of what level I'm at.' I see 1.) appear at the beginning of the first line. I hit return, see the second element with its 2.) appear. I now demote that elements using the shortcut shft-alt-right arrow, expecting it to turn into 'a.)' (I could use the arrow). But while the heading on the styles above does shift to 'Heading 2,' the number sequence does not change! So I end up with outlines that look proceed serially not like a multilevel list 1. 2. 3. 4. If the links between the levels and the headings are broken, why is it so hard to find any information on the Microsoft websites to fix this? Again, I have followed other information that the Microsoft website has provided since I simply want to begin with the "format" of each level to be the same - I don't want blue fonts, bold or italics, changes in the space between paragraph elements, etc. I simply want a simple outline, but with more functionality than a numbered list (eg. including ability to expand and collapse). In the future I might decide at some level might be bold or not. For the record, using 'modify style,' these are the styles of the headings: Heading 1 : Font: (Asian) +Headings Asian, (Default) Calibri, 12 pt, Justified, Line spacing: Multiple 1.15 li, Widow/Orphan control, Keep with next, Keep lines together, Level 1, Style: Linked, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Following style: Normal Heading2: Level 2, Style: Linked, Hide until used, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Based on: Heading 1, Following style: Normal Heading3: Level 3, Style: Linked, Hide until used, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Based on: Heading 2, Following style: Normal Etc. (I don't know anything about this Asian heading). So is there any hope of creating even the most basic outline which will look something like: 1. a. b. 2. I hope this gets through (and FYI, I am using the Vista64 OS). As a College Prof. who has also taught writing, I would love to have a straightforward way to explain how to create outlines in Word for college level students. At this point, I'm sure they're ready to jump to OpenOffice or some other competitor. I have told them that outlines are very useful for writing documents, but I can not longer produce them in MS-Word 2007. G. |
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Well, I am glad my post finally made it to the list. Perhaps the repeated
non-sends had to do with the way I was closing my submissions (this time I used 'close' inside of Internet Explorer, rather than just 'post'). And yes, I can now see that the USENET Vehicle for microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. That is not clear from the official Microsoft website that brought me here. I hope it is clear that I want to create a "multilevel outline" and *not* a "multilevel list". Period. Yes, I can see the multilevel *list* tab with such options as, 'define new list style' and 'define new multilevel list.' However, no matter what indent or numbering scheme is used and meant to show up in the print layout, every line in the list is set as "body text". This fact (appears to) offer no functionality to *expand* or *collapse* sub-elements. Whil to add this functionality, eone must invest a serious amount of time on resetting the 'heading sty'es.' I am making some headway on programming each 'heading style', I still don't see the way to link level, so that one would get: 1. 1.1 1.2 1.2.1 2. One can go to the strip/home/styles/heading 1/[right-click]/modify style/format tab/numbering and bullets/define new number format... but there no longer seems to be a link between levels as there was in Word 2003 when you try to redefine 'Heading 2' Again, I think it is a mistake that when I search on "multi-level outline" on the official Microsoft Office website I am sent to Multilevel list." Shauna Kelly's tutorial does not appear to be updated for 2007 despite what it says at the bottom. I think a single clear explanation of how to create ewould prove useful |
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Click on the Multilevel list button and then on the illustration that shows
1, 1.1, 1.1.1 linked to Heading 1, Heading 2, Heading 3, etc. *Then* click Define New Multilevel List, which will open the dialog with that list template selected. From there, the Define New Multilevel List dialog is more or less identical to the Customize Outline-Numbered List dialog in Word 2003, although arranged a little differently. Click More to expand the dialog, and you will see that the levels are linked to the built-in heading styles by default. If you use an NNTP newsreader such as Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail to read these newsgroups in Usenet, you'll doubtless find posting (and finding your posts) much easier. See http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geodesic" wrote in message ... Well, I am glad my post finally made it to the list. Perhaps the repeated non-sends had to do with the way I was closing my submissions (this time I used 'close' inside of Internet Explorer, rather than just 'post'). And yes, I can now see that the USENET Vehicle for microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. That is not clear from the official Microsoft website that brought me here. I hope it is clear that I want to create a "multilevel outline" and *not* a "multilevel list". Period. Yes, I can see the multilevel *list* tab with such options as, 'define new list style' and 'define new multilevel list.' However, no matter what indent or numbering scheme is used and meant to show up in the print layout, every line in the list is set as "body text". This fact (appears to) offer no functionality to *expand* or *collapse* sub-elements. Whil to add this functionality, eone must invest a serious amount of time on resetting the 'heading sty'es.' I am making some headway on programming each 'heading style', I still don't see the way to link level, so that one would get: 1. 1.1 1.2 1.2.1 2. One can go to the strip/home/styles/heading 1/[right-click]/modify style/format tab/numbering and bullets/define new number format... but there no longer seems to be a link between levels as there was in Word 2003 when you try to redefine 'Heading 2' Again, I think it is a mistake that when I search on "multi-level outline" on the official Microsoft Office website I am sent to Multilevel list." Shauna Kelly's tutorial does not appear to be updated for 2007 despite what it says at the bottom. I think a single clear explanation of how to create ewould prove useful |
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I can't tell if my messages are going through. When I tried to post I get the following error message: The website is too busy to show the webpage HTTP 408/HTTP 409. What you can try: Refresh the page. / Go back to the previous page. / More information. This error (HTTP 408 Request Timeout or HTTP 409 Conflict) means that the server took too long to display the page or there were too many people requesting the same webpage. / For more information about HTTP errors, see Help. Originally I thought this meant that the posting had gone through, but that the site update would take time because there was too much traffic. But then I let an hour go by and I still don't see the posting, I don't see that Microsoft has a discussion group about the problems with their own Microsoft office on line discussion group software. But then that would recursively a problem since how do you post about a posting problem. Original Response. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you use an NNTP newsreader such as Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail to read these newsgroups in Usenet, you'll doubtless find posting (and finding your posts) much easier. See http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm I really don't know much about Outlook Express or anything about Windows Live Mail. Because of compatibility issues with my telephone and office/academic software, I finally migrated to Outlook 07 about a year ago. I know that Outlook Express evolved from a newsreader of some sort and was promoted as the free version of Outlook. However, back in the 1980s when USENET was one of the few common, open, global bulletin board systems I simply used the free version of Agent to access discussions and compile binaries (since unix tn etc had interface challenges). That is why I am still sensitive to the fact that USENET is independent of the Web. That said, I am simply trying to come to the Microsoft website to get answers for what I think should be a relatively basic problem for their Microsoft Word 07. They are the ones who forwarded me to this Microsoft office online discussion group system. I can still find no evidence of any other 'recent' submissions on outlines, so I thank you for: 1. Responding and 2. Returning to this thread to respond. If you don't like my inability to find other threads, then you should take it up with Microsoft. Click on the Multilevel list button and then on the illustration that shows 1, 1.1, 1.1.1 linked to Heading 1, Heading 2, Heading 3, etc. *Then* click Define New Multilevel List, which will open the dialog with that list template selected. From there, the Define New Multilevel List dialog is more or less identical to the Customize Outline-Numbered List dialog in Word 2003, although arranged a little differently. Click More to expand the dialog, and you will see that the levels are linked to the built-in heading styles by default. This did not work. The multilevel list dialogue seems to be associated with normal textual work and not outlines. Moving elements around with the whole window open immediately broke any connection that a 1/1.1/1.1.1/ numbering system might have with an outline. Shifting to the outline view ribbon tab revealed that once again Word seem to be creating a multilevel list as opposed to a multilevel outline, with things working out of body text. No ability to expand or contract sub elements. And of course in the outline view one cannot see which headings one is using ahead of time, unless I guess one customizes the ribbon in some way. Is that what I need to tell college students to do? I am still not sure why creation of an numbering scheme for the outline would not be on the outline part of the ribbon. Returning to the general home ribbon: multilevel list / list and current document is 1/1.1/1.1.1... / define a new multilevel list.. and the expanded dialogue reveals apply changes to - the whole list, link level to style - no style, level to show in gallery - level I, ListNum field list name - nothing And down below their various alignment issues and ways to link one level to the other as you change which level to modify. If I am in the ordinary print view, there is no sort of indentation that one might associate with an outline. And if you shift to outline view, all the connections appear broken. For example, if I use the right arrow to shift to level III, there is no numbering scheme at all, no 1.1.1. Just text, although with a plus or minus in a gray circle to indicate that I'm using outline elements. In the outline view, if I right-click on something that is at "level III" the resulting dialogue suggests that there is no numbering scheme, and the only thing that I am allowed to put in is a number or letter, nothing to do with a multilevel scheme anymore. And if I go back to the home ribbon, multilevel list, it still says that I am using 1/1.1/1.1.1... numbering scheme, but the none is now highlighted. This is not like Word 2003. This is very different. Thanks. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geodesic" wrote in message ... Well, I am glad my post finally made it to the list. Perhaps the repeated non-sends had to do with the way I was closing my submissions (this time I used 'close' inside of Internet Explorer, rather than just 'post'). And yes, I can now see that the USENET Vehicle for microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. That is not clear from the official Microsoft website that brought me here. I hope it is clear that I want to create a "multilevel outline" and *not* a "multilevel list". Period. Yes, I can see the multilevel *list* tab with such options as, 'define new list style' and 'define new multilevel list.' However, no matter what indent or numbering scheme is used and meant to show up in the print layout, every line in the list is set as "body text". This fact (appears to) offer no functionality to *expand* or *collapse* sub-elements. Whil to add this functionality, eone must invest a serious amount of time on resetting the 'heading sty'es.' I am making some headway on programming each 'heading style', I still don't see the way to link level, so that one would get: 1. 1.1 1.2 1.2.1 2. One can go to the strip/home/styles/heading 1/[right-click]/modify style/format tab/numbering and bullets/define new number format... but there no longer seems to be a link between levels as there was in Word 2003 when you try to redefine 'Heading 2' Again, I think it is a mistake that when I search on "multi-level outline" on the official Microsoft Office website I am sent to Multilevel list." Shauna Kelly's tutorial does not appear to be updated for 2007 despite what it says at the bottom. I think a single clear explanation of how to create ewould prove useful . |
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If you apply the 1, 1.1, 1.1.1 numbering to the built-in heading styles,
then the heading styles will be numbered as you prefer (including indents). Keep in mind that it is still necessary to do this all at once for all the styles, starting from the first Heading 1 in the document (see http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html for general principles). You can then apply the heading styles to achieve the desired outline and Promote/Demote as desired. There's no reason you can't still use Free Agent to access these NGs; just configure it to access the msnews.microsoft.com server. If you are more comfortable with an NNTP newsreader, I would highly recommend it. You will see the same NGs you see here (the Web page is just a front end to Usenet). I mentioned Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail because they are readily available to Windows/Internet Explorer users. OE was not designed as a "free version of Outlook"; Outlook is not a newsreader, whereas OE is both a mail client and a newsreader. It is possible to set Outlook up to use OE as its newsreader. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geodesic" wrote in message ... I can't tell if my messages are going through. When I tried to post I get the following error message: The website is too busy to show the webpage HTTP 408/HTTP 409. What you can try: Refresh the page. / Go back to the previous page. / More information. This error (HTTP 408 Request Timeout or HTTP 409 Conflict) means that the server took too long to display the page or there were too many people requesting the same webpage. / For more information about HTTP errors, see Help. Originally I thought this meant that the posting had gone through, but that the site update would take time because there was too much traffic. But then I let an hour go by and I still don't see the posting, I don't see that Microsoft has a discussion group about the problems with their own Microsoft office on line discussion group software. But then that would recursively a problem since how do you post about a posting problem. Original Response. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you use an NNTP newsreader such as Outlook Express or Windows Live to read these newsgroups in Usenet, you'll doubtless find posting (and finding your posts) much easier. See http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm I really don't know much about Outlook Express or anything about Windows Live Mail. Because of compatibility issues with my telephone and office/academic software, I finally migrated to Outlook 07 about a year ago. I know that Outlook Express evolved from a newsreader of some sort and was promoted as the free version of Outlook. However, back in the 1980s when USENET was one of the few common, open, global bulletin board systems I simply used the free version of Agent to access discussions and compile binaries (since unix tn etc had interface challenges). That is why I am still sensitive to the fact that USENET is independent of the Web. That said, I am simply trying to come to the Microsoft website to get answers for what I think should be a relatively basic problem for their Microsoft Word 07. They are the ones who forwarded me to this Microsoft office online discussion group system. I can still find no evidence of any other 'recent' submissions on outlines, so I thank you for: 1. Responding and 2. Returning to this thread to respond. If you don't like my inability to find other threads, then you should take it up with Microsoft. Click on the Multilevel list button and then on the illustration that shows 1, 1.1, 1.1.1 linked to Heading 1, Heading 2, Heading 3, etc. *Then* click Define New Multilevel List, which will open the dialog with that list template selected. From there, the Define New Multilevel List dialog is more or less identical to the Customize Outline-Numbered List dialog in Word 2003, although arranged a little differently. Click More to expand the dialog, and you will see that the levels are linked to the built-in heading styles by default. This did not work. The multilevel list dialogue seems to be associated with normal textual work and not outlines. Moving elements around with the whole window open immediately broke any connection that a 1/1.1/1.1.1/ numbering system might have with an outline. Shifting to the outline view ribbon tab revealed that once again Word seem to be creating a multilevel list as opposed to a multilevel outline, with things working out of body text. No ability to expand or contract sub elements. And of course in the outline view one cannot see which headings one is using ahead of time, unless I guess one customizes the ribbon in some way. Is that what I need to tell college students to do? I am still not sure why creation of an numbering scheme for the outline would not be on the outline part of the ribbon. Returning to the general home ribbon: multilevel list / list and current document is 1/1.1/1.1.1... / define a new multilevel list.. and the expanded dialogue reveals apply changes to - the whole list, link level to style - no style, level to show in gallery - level I, ListNum field list name - nothing And down below their various alignment issues and ways to link one level to the other as you change which level to modify. If I am in the ordinary print view, there is no sort of indentation that one might associate with an outline. And if you shift to outline view, all the connections appear broken. For example, if I use the right arrow to shift to level III, there is no numbering scheme at all, no 1.1.1. Just text, although with a plus or minus in a gray circle to indicate that I'm using outline elements. In the outline view, if I right-click on something that is at "level III" the resulting dialogue suggests that there is no numbering scheme, and the only thing that I am allowed to put in is a number or letter, nothing to do with a multilevel scheme anymore. And if I go back to the home ribbon, multilevel list, it still says that I am using 1/1.1/1.1.1... numbering scheme, but the none is now highlighted. This is not like Word 2003. This is very different. Thanks. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geodesic" wrote in message ... Well, I am glad my post finally made it to the list. Perhaps the repeated non-sends had to do with the way I was closing my submissions (this time I used 'close' inside of Internet Explorer, rather than just 'post'). And yes, I can now see that the USENET Vehicle for microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. That is not clear from the official Microsoft website that brought me here. I hope it is clear that I want to create a "multilevel outline" and *not* a "multilevel list". Period. Yes, I can see the multilevel *list* tab with such options as, 'define new list style' and 'define new multilevel list.' However, no matter what indent or numbering scheme is used and meant to show up in the print layout, every line in the list is set as "body text". This fact (appears to) offer no functionality to *expand* or *collapse* sub-elements. Whil to add this functionality, eone must invest a serious amount of time on resetting the 'heading sty'es.' I am making some headway on programming each 'heading style', I still don't see the way to link level, so that one would get: 1. 1.1 1.2 1.2.1 2. One can go to the strip/home/styles/heading 1/[right-click]/modify style/format tab/numbering and bullets/define new number format... but there no longer seems to be a link between levels as there was in Word 2003 when you try to redefine 'Heading 2' Again, I think it is a mistake that when I search on "multi-level outline" on the official Microsoft Office website I am sent to Multilevel list." Shauna Kelly's tutorial does not appear to be updated for 2007 despite what it says at the bottom. I think a single clear explanation of how to create ewould prove useful . |
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Still no luck.
Thanks for the reply. Again, my goal: to create a multi-level outline as opposed to a multi-level list, with a coherent numbering scheme. I am hoping for a clear enough explanation so that I might teach college students how to do it, and they could feel comfortable using their own multi-level of outlines. Now, if one searches on the Internet 'Word 2007 multilevel outline' one will come up with documents like these, which I consulted before ever seeking to bother re-asking something already solved: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...650171033.aspx - 'Create a multilevel list' [not multilevel outline] http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html - 'Focused on Word 2003 and earlier.' So yes I have tried to work through the Shauna Kelly suggestions, which of course may have contributed to problems. More on this in a moment. So as I have said, I am working to create a multilevel outline not a multilevel list so that 1.) expand or hide lower-level elements, and 2.) greater control over the formatting of each level. Now, no sooner do I select some multi-level list format, then it immediately breaks/disappears in either the print view or the outline view. Yes, I am working with the 'define new multilevel list' values, but what should the baseline values look like, and what should the simplest 'heading values' look like? One point of concern *I* have is that my settings for 'link level to style:' at each level reads: '(no style)'. I don't remember changing anything, but maybe that is a problem. A general FAQ for all users would help. If I begin changing all of these values, and the outline still fail to create a numbering system, then having a list of the original values would be ideal. Possible solutions. 1. Create a FAQ listing the ideal, basic, plain values for the expanded "define new multilevel list" dialogue - what should the "link level to style" "listnum field list name" etc., values be set to? As factory setting-ish as possible! 2. Create a FAQ listing the ideal baseline values for the 9 heading styles. For example, my 'Heading 2' reads, "Level 2, Style: Linked, Hide until used, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Based on: Heading 1, Following style: Normal." Working with the document suggestions of Shawna Kelly, MVP, listed above, I may have improperly altered the heading styles default values. As there is no "return to factory settings" button (so far as I know), a list of the simplest values would be useful. It should be clear from the values listed here that I want my base outline Heading values to have no special formatting: no bold, no blue fonts, no varied font size, no italics, and so forth. Ideally, in the future I might want a way to invoke different outline styles, so for one style 'Heading 2' would use a blue font and for another style 'Heading 2" would use a green font. But that is an elaboration. 3. Put these default value FAQs on a shared visible space. The Word 2007 homepage http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...649251033.aspx and help-pages tell you from their perspective how to do things, but not how to undue them. [and this is the web page that returns the 'create a multilevel list' page noted above to the question of how to 'create a multi-level outline.' Ps. I found a copy of "MS Windows Mail 6.0.6" on my Vista64 machine which in turn provided some access to news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...word.numbering which in turn provided access to 'multilevel lists lose link styles' of 11/20/2009 which in turn leads to questions of properly linking the list to the headings. Still I am going to respond to this question via MS's own website, even though it now appears that if I get the HTTP 408 Request Timeout or HTTP 409 Conflict, then their Site in fact has not sent the message. Then I alt=right arrow back a window, wait, and try to resent it till I get the 'close window' msg. I haven't been able figure out how to send windows mail to a particular newsgroup (i.e. microsoft.public.word.docmanagement). |
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Still no luck.
Thanks for the reply. Again, my goal: to create a multi-level outline as opposed to a multi-level list, with a coherent numbering scheme. I am hoping for a clear enough explanation so that I might teach college students how to do it, and they could feel comfortable using their own multi-level of outlines. Now, if one searches on the Internet 'Word 2007 multilevel outline' one will come up with documents like these, which I consulted before ever seeking to bother re-asking something already solved: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...650171033.aspx - 'Create a multilevel list' [not multilevel outline] http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html - 'Focused on Word 2003 and earlier.' So yes I have tried to work through the Shauna Kelly suggestions, which of course may have contributed to problems. More on this in a moment. So as I have said, I am working to create a multilevel outline not a multilevel list so that 1.) expand or hide lower-level elements, and 2.) greater control over the formatting of each level. Now, no sooner do I select some multi-level list format, then it immediately breaks/disappears in either the print view or the outline view. Yes, I am working with the 'define new multilevel list' values, but what should the baseline values look like, and what should the simplest 'heading values' look like? One point of concern *I* have is that my settings for 'link level to style:' at each level reads: '(no style)'. I don't remember changing anything, but maybe that is a problem. A general FAQ for all users would help. If I begin changing all of these values, and the outline still fail to create a numbering system, then having a list of the original values would be ideal. Possible solutions. 1. Create a FAQ listing the ideal, basic, plain values for the expanded "define new multilevel list" dialogue - what should the "link level to style" "listnum field list name" etc., values be set to? As factory setting-ish as possible! 2. Create a FAQ listing the ideal baseline values for the 9 heading styles. For example, my 'Heading 2' reads, "Level 2, Style: Linked, Hide until used, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Based on: Heading 1, Following style: Normal." Working with the document suggestions of Shawna Kelly, MVP, listed above, I may have improperly altered the heading styles default values. As there is no "return to factory settings" button (so far as I know), a list of the simplest values would be useful. It should be clear from the values listed here that I want my base outline Heading values to have no special formatting: no bold, no blue fonts, no varied font size, no italics, and so forth. Ideally, in the future I might want a way to invoke different outline styles, so for one style 'Heading 2' would use a blue font and for another style 'Heading 2" would use a green font. But that is an elaboration. 3. Put these default value FAQs on a shared visible space. The Word 2007 homepage http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...649251033.aspx and help-pages tell you from their perspective how to do things, but not how to undue them. [and this is the web page that returns the 'create a multilevel list' page noted above to the question of how to 'create a multi-level outline.' Ps. I found a copy of "MS Windows Mail 6.0.6" on my Vista64 machine which in turn provided some access to news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...word.numbering which in turn provided access to 'multilevel lists lose link styles' of 11/20/2009 which in turn leads to questions of properly linking the list to the headings. Still I am going to respond to this question via MS's own website, even though it now appears that if I get the HTTP 408 Request Timeout or HTTP 409 Conflict, then their Site in fact has not sent the message. Then I alt=right arrow back a window, wait, and try to resent it till I get the 'close window' msg. I haven't been able figure out how to send windows mail to a particular newsgroup (i.e. microsoft.public.word.docmanagement). |
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If you apply the 1, 1.1, 1.1.1 numbering to the built-in heading styles,
then the heading styles will be numbered as you prefer (including indents). Keep in mind that it is still necessary to do this all at once for all the styles, starting from the first Heading 1 in the document (see http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html for general principles). You can then apply the heading styles to achieve the desired outline and Promote/Demote as desired. There's no reason you can't still use Free Agent to access these NGs; just configure it to access the msnews.microsoft.com server. If you are more comfortable with an NNTP newsreader, I would highly recommend it. You will see the same NGs you see here (the Web page is just a front end to Usenet). I mentioned Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail because they are readily available to Windows/Internet Explorer users. OE was not designed as a "free version of Outlook"; Outlook is not a newsreader, whereas OE is both a mail client and a newsreader. It is possible to set Outlook up to use OE as its newsreader. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geodesic" wrote in message ... I can't tell if my messages are going through. When I tried to post I get the following error message: The website is too busy to show the webpage HTTP 408/HTTP 409. What you can try: Refresh the page. / Go back to the previous page. / More information. This error (HTTP 408 Request Timeout or HTTP 409 Conflict) means that the server took too long to display the page or there were too many people requesting the same webpage. / For more information about HTTP errors, see Help. Originally I thought this meant that the posting had gone through, but that the site update would take time because there was too much traffic. But then I let an hour go by and I still don't see the posting, I don't see that Microsoft has a discussion group about the problems with their own Microsoft office on line discussion group software. But then that would recursively a problem since how do you post about a posting problem. Original Response. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you use an NNTP newsreader such as Outlook Express or Windows Live to read these newsgroups in Usenet, you'll doubtless find posting (and finding your posts) much easier. See http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm I really don't know much about Outlook Express or anything about Windows Live Mail. Because of compatibility issues with my telephone and office/academic software, I finally migrated to Outlook 07 about a year ago. I know that Outlook Express evolved from a newsreader of some sort and was promoted as the free version of Outlook. However, back in the 1980s when USENET was one of the few common, open, global bulletin board systems I simply used the free version of Agent to access discussions and compile binaries (since unix tn etc had interface challenges). That is why I am still sensitive to the fact that USENET is independent of the Web. That said, I am simply trying to come to the Microsoft website to get answers for what I think should be a relatively basic problem for their Microsoft Word 07. They are the ones who forwarded me to this Microsoft office online discussion group system. I can still find no evidence of any other 'recent' submissions on outlines, so I thank you for: 1. Responding and 2. Returning to this thread to respond. If you don't like my inability to find other threads, then you should take it up with Microsoft. Click on the Multilevel list button and then on the illustration that shows 1, 1.1, 1.1.1 linked to Heading 1, Heading 2, Heading 3, etc. *Then* click Define New Multilevel List, which will open the dialog with that list template selected. From there, the Define New Multilevel List dialog is more or less identical to the Customize Outline-Numbered List dialog in Word 2003, although arranged a little differently. Click More to expand the dialog, and you will see that the levels are linked to the built-in heading styles by default. This did not work. The multilevel list dialogue seems to be associated with normal textual work and not outlines. Moving elements around with the whole window open immediately broke any connection that a 1/1.1/1.1.1/ numbering system might have with an outline. Shifting to the outline view ribbon tab revealed that once again Word seem to be creating a multilevel list as opposed to a multilevel outline, with things working out of body text. No ability to expand or contract sub elements. And of course in the outline view one cannot see which headings one is using ahead of time, unless I guess one customizes the ribbon in some way. Is that what I need to tell college students to do? I am still not sure why creation of an numbering scheme for the outline would not be on the outline part of the ribbon. Returning to the general home ribbon: multilevel list / list and current document is 1/1.1/1.1.1... / define a new multilevel list.. and the expanded dialogue reveals apply changes to - the whole list, link level to style - no style, level to show in gallery - level I, ListNum field list name - nothing And down below their various alignment issues and ways to link one level to the other as you change which level to modify. If I am in the ordinary print view, there is no sort of indentation that one might associate with an outline. And if you shift to outline view, all the connections appear broken. For example, if I use the right arrow to shift to level III, there is no numbering scheme at all, no 1.1.1. Just text, although with a plus or minus in a gray circle to indicate that I'm using outline elements. In the outline view, if I right-click on something that is at "level III" the resulting dialogue suggests that there is no numbering scheme, and the only thing that I am allowed to put in is a number or letter, nothing to do with a multilevel scheme anymore. And if I go back to the home ribbon, multilevel list, it still says that I am using 1/1.1/1.1.1... numbering scheme, but the none is now highlighted. This is not like Word 2003. This is very different. Thanks. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geodesic" wrote in message ... Well, I am glad my post finally made it to the list. Perhaps the repeated non-sends had to do with the way I was closing my submissions (this time I used 'close' inside of Internet Explorer, rather than just 'post'). And yes, I can now see that the USENET Vehicle for microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. That is not clear from the official Microsoft website that brought me here. I hope it is clear that I want to create a "multilevel outline" and *not* a "multilevel list". Period. Yes, I can see the multilevel *list* tab with such options as, 'define new list style' and 'define new multilevel list.' However, no matter what indent or numbering scheme is used and meant to show up in the print layout, every line in the list is set as "body text". This fact (appears to) offer no functionality to *expand* or *collapse* sub-elements. Whil to add this functionality, eone must invest a serious amount of time on resetting the 'heading sty'es.' I am making some headway on programming each 'heading style', I still don't see the way to link level, so that one would get: 1. 1.1 1.2 1.2.1 2. One can go to the strip/home/styles/heading 1/[right-click]/modify style/format tab/numbering and bullets/define new number format... but there no longer seems to be a link between levels as there was in Word 2003 when you try to redefine 'Heading 2' Again, I think it is a mistake that when I search on "multi-level outline" on the official Microsoft Office website I am sent to Multilevel list." Shauna Kelly's tutorial does not appear to be updated for 2007 despite what it says at the bottom. I think a single clear explanation of how to create ewould prove useful . |
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I can't tell if my messages are going through. When I tried to post I get the following error message: The website is too busy to show the webpage HTTP 408/HTTP 409. What you can try: Refresh the page. / Go back to the previous page. / More information. This error (HTTP 408 Request Timeout or HTTP 409 Conflict) means that the server took too long to display the page or there were too many people requesting the same webpage. / For more information about HTTP errors, see Help. Originally I thought this meant that the posting had gone through, but that the site update would take time because there was too much traffic. But then I let an hour go by and I still don't see the posting, I don't see that Microsoft has a discussion group about the problems with their own Microsoft office on line discussion group software. But then that would recursively a problem since how do you post about a posting problem. Original Response. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: If you use an NNTP newsreader such as Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail to read these newsgroups in Usenet, you'll doubtless find posting (and finding your posts) much easier. See http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm I really don't know much about Outlook Express or anything about Windows Live Mail. Because of compatibility issues with my telephone and office/academic software, I finally migrated to Outlook 07 about a year ago. I know that Outlook Express evolved from a newsreader of some sort and was promoted as the free version of Outlook. However, back in the 1980s when USENET was one of the few common, open, global bulletin board systems I simply used the free version of Agent to access discussions and compile binaries (since unix tn etc had interface challenges). That is why I am still sensitive to the fact that USENET is independent of the Web. That said, I am simply trying to come to the Microsoft website to get answers for what I think should be a relatively basic problem for their Microsoft Word 07. They are the ones who forwarded me to this Microsoft office online discussion group system. I can still find no evidence of any other 'recent' submissions on outlines, so I thank you for: 1. Responding and 2. Returning to this thread to respond. If you don't like my inability to find other threads, then you should take it up with Microsoft. Click on the Multilevel list button and then on the illustration that shows 1, 1.1, 1.1.1 linked to Heading 1, Heading 2, Heading 3, etc. *Then* click Define New Multilevel List, which will open the dialog with that list template selected. From there, the Define New Multilevel List dialog is more or less identical to the Customize Outline-Numbered List dialog in Word 2003, although arranged a little differently. Click More to expand the dialog, and you will see that the levels are linked to the built-in heading styles by default. This did not work. The multilevel list dialogue seems to be associated with normal textual work and not outlines. Moving elements around with the whole window open immediately broke any connection that a 1/1.1/1.1.1/ numbering system might have with an outline. Shifting to the outline view ribbon tab revealed that once again Word seem to be creating a multilevel list as opposed to a multilevel outline, with things working out of body text. No ability to expand or contract sub elements. And of course in the outline view one cannot see which headings one is using ahead of time, unless I guess one customizes the ribbon in some way. Is that what I need to tell college students to do? I am still not sure why creation of an numbering scheme for the outline would not be on the outline part of the ribbon. Returning to the general home ribbon: multilevel list / list and current document is 1/1.1/1.1.1... / define a new multilevel list.. and the expanded dialogue reveals apply changes to - the whole list, link level to style - no style, level to show in gallery - level I, ListNum field list name - nothing And down below their various alignment issues and ways to link one level to the other as you change which level to modify. If I am in the ordinary print view, there is no sort of indentation that one might associate with an outline. And if you shift to outline view, all the connections appear broken. For example, if I use the right arrow to shift to level III, there is no numbering scheme at all, no 1.1.1. Just text, although with a plus or minus in a gray circle to indicate that I'm using outline elements. In the outline view, if I right-click on something that is at "level III" the resulting dialogue suggests that there is no numbering scheme, and the only thing that I am allowed to put in is a number or letter, nothing to do with a multilevel scheme anymore. And if I go back to the home ribbon, multilevel list, it still says that I am using 1/1.1/1.1.1... numbering scheme, but the none is now highlighted. This is not like Word 2003. This is very different. Thanks. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geodesic" wrote in message ... Well, I am glad my post finally made it to the list. Perhaps the repeated non-sends had to do with the way I was closing my submissions (this time I used 'close' inside of Internet Explorer, rather than just 'post'). And yes, I can now see that the USENET Vehicle for microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. That is not clear from the official Microsoft website that brought me here. I hope it is clear that I want to create a "multilevel outline" and *not* a "multilevel list". Period. Yes, I can see the multilevel *list* tab with such options as, 'define new list style' and 'define new multilevel list.' However, no matter what indent or numbering scheme is used and meant to show up in the print layout, every line in the list is set as "body text". This fact (appears to) offer no functionality to *expand* or *collapse* sub-elements. Whil to add this functionality, eone must invest a serious amount of time on resetting the 'heading sty'es.' I am making some headway on programming each 'heading style', I still don't see the way to link level, so that one would get: 1. 1.1 1.2 1.2.1 2. One can go to the strip/home/styles/heading 1/[right-click]/modify style/format tab/numbering and bullets/define new number format... but there no longer seems to be a link between levels as there was in Word 2003 when you try to redefine 'Heading 2' Again, I think it is a mistake that when I search on "multi-level outline" on the official Microsoft Office website I am sent to Multilevel list." Shauna Kelly's tutorial does not appear to be updated for 2007 despite what it says at the bottom. I think a single clear explanation of how to create ewould prove useful . |
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Click on the Multilevel list button and then on the illustration that shows 1, 1.1, 1.1.1 linked to Heading 1, Heading 2, Heading 3, etc. *Then* click Define New Multilevel List, which will open the dialog with that list template selected. From there, the Define New Multilevel List dialog is more or less identical to the Customize Outline-Numbered List dialog in Word 2003, although arranged a little differently. Click More to expand the dialog, and you will see that the levels are linked to the built-in heading styles by default. If you use an NNTP newsreader such as Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail to read these newsgroups in Usenet, you'll doubtless find posting (and finding your posts) much easier. See http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geodesic" wrote in message ... Well, I am glad my post finally made it to the list. Perhaps the repeated non-sends had to do with the way I was closing my submissions (this time I used 'close' inside of Internet Explorer, rather than just 'post'). And yes, I can now see that the USENET Vehicle for microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. That is not clear from the official Microsoft website that brought me here. I hope it is clear that I want to create a "multilevel outline" and *not* a "multilevel list". Period. Yes, I can see the multilevel *list* tab with such options as, 'define new list style' and 'define new multilevel list.' However, no matter what indent or numbering scheme is used and meant to show up in the print layout, every line in the list is set as "body text". This fact (appears to) offer no functionality to *expand* or *collapse* sub-elements. Whil to add this functionality, eone must invest a serious amount of time on resetting the 'heading sty'es.' I am making some headway on programming each 'heading style', I still don't see the way to link level, so that one would get: 1. 1.1 1.2 1.2.1 2. One can go to the strip/home/styles/heading 1/[right-click]/modify style/format tab/numbering and bullets/define new number format... but there no longer seems to be a link between levels as there was in Word 2003 when you try to redefine 'Heading 2' Again, I think it is a mistake that when I search on "multi-level outline" on the official Microsoft Office website I am sent to Multilevel list." Shauna Kelly's tutorial does not appear to be updated for 2007 despite what it says at the bottom. I think a single clear explanation of how to create ewould prove useful |
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Well, I am glad my post finally made it to the list. Perhaps the repeated
non-sends had to do with the way I was closing my submissions (this time I used 'close' inside of Internet Explorer, rather than just 'post'). And yes, I can now see that the USENET Vehicle for microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. That is not clear from the official Microsoft website that brought me here. I hope it is clear that I want to create a "multilevel outline" and *not* a "multilevel list". Period. Yes, I can see the multilevel *list* tab with such options as, 'define new list style' and 'define new multilevel list.' However, no matter what indent or numbering scheme is used and meant to show up in the print layout, every line in the list is set as "body text". This fact (appears to) offer no functionality to *expand* or *collapse* sub-elements. Whil to add this functionality, eone must invest a serious amount of time on resetting the 'heading sty'es.' I am making some headway on programming each 'heading style', I still don't see the way to link level, so that one would get: 1. 1.1 1.2 1.2.1 2. One can go to the strip/home/styles/heading 1/[right-click]/modify style/format tab/numbering and bullets/define new number format... but there no longer seems to be a link between levels as there was in Word 2003 when you try to redefine 'Heading 2' Again, I think it is a mistake that when I search on "multi-level outline" on the official Microsoft Office website I am sent to Multilevel list." Shauna Kelly's tutorial does not appear to be updated for 2007 despite what it says at the bottom. I think a single clear explanation of how to create a interconnected, expandable/collapseable outline would prove useful to the list. |
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I have seen at least one previous post from you with identical content and replied to it, but you may find it easier to find the messages you have posted if you post in the Numbering newsgroup, which has much lower traffic. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Geodesic" wrote in message ... This is the fourth time I have tried to ask this question in 'word.general.questions' but it never make it to the list. I am not sure if there are intermediaries involved or technical problems. And yes, I am waiting many hours between posts. Like many of you, I am frustrated, disappointed, even angry at how complicated and counterintuitive the use of outlines is in Word07. I am not looking to create a complicated environment in which different 'levels' are connected to very different formats. I simply want to create outlines in which (1.) it is easy to move elements around (to promote or demote, to move up or down), (2.) in which elements can be expanded or collapsed, (3.) all with a coherent numbering scheme. This is easy in OneNote07 where it is the default. I finally managed this long ago in WordXP, but not without hard wiring my 'headings' so that only one system was acceptable. Still I did it, having to "program" WordXP to even get it to produce the most basic outlines. While I have had Word07 for over a year I still cannot get it to produce even the most basic outline. I should point out that if one uses the "help" of Word 07, and ask how to create an multilevel outline, I am forwarded to how to create multilevel numbered lists, lists which don't have the ability to expand and collapse lower levels. This seems a flaw. When I search around further, I am forwarded to websites that explain outlines for earlier versions of Word (where the link between levels was clearer). So here's the problem more simply: Suppose I want to create a simple 1/a/1/a/ outline. I go to the outline tab at the bottom of any page. I type something in the blank codument and assume that Word 07 will believe I am at 'Level I.' It is unclear because, of course, I have to go back to the Home tab on the ribbon in order to see what style is being used, such as 'Heading 1'. I then go to the paragraph subset of the home tab and choose multilevel outline. I see the "define new multilevel list' option which gives some indication of what level I'm at.' I see 1.) appear at the beginning of the first line. I hit return, see the second element with its 2.) appear. I now demote that elements using the shortcut shft-alt-right arrow, expecting it to turn into 'a.)' (I could use the arrow). But while the heading on the styles above does shift to 'Heading 2,' the number sequence does not change! So I end up with outlines that look proceed serially not like a multilevel list 1. 2. 3. 4. If the links between the levels and the headings are broken, why is it so hard to find any information on the Microsoft websites to fix this? Again, I have followed other information that the Microsoft website has provided since I simply want to begin with the "format" of each level to be the same - I don't want blue fonts, bold or italics, changes in the space between paragraph elements, etc. I simply want a simple outline, but with more functionality than a numbered list (eg. including ability to expand and collapse). In the future I might decide at some level might be bold or not. For the record, using 'modify style,' these are the styles of the headings: Heading 1 : Font: (Asian) +Headings Asian, (Default) Calibri, 12 pt, Justified, Line spacing: Multiple 1.15 li, Widow/Orphan control, Keep with next, Keep lines together, Level 1, Style: Linked, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Following style: Normal Heading2: Level 2, Style: Linked, Hide until used, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Based on: Heading 1, Following style: Normal Heading3: Level 3, Style: Linked, Hide until used, Quick Style, Priority: 10, Based on: Heading 2, Following style: Normal Etc. (I don't know anything about this Asian heading). So is there any hope of creating even the most basic outline which will look something like: 1. a. b. 2. I hope this gets through (and FYI, I am using the Vista64 OS). As a College Prof. who has also taught writing, I would love to have a straightforward way to explain how to create outlines in Word for college level students. At this point, I'm sure they're ready to jump to OpenOffice or some other competitor. I have told them that outlines are very useful for writing documents, but I can not longer produce them in MS-Word 2007. G. |
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Well, I am glad my post finally made it to the list. Perhaps the repeated non-sends had to do with the way I was closing my submissions (this time I used 'close' inside of Internet Explorer, rather than just 'post'). And yes, I can now see that the USENET Vehicle for microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. That is not clear from the official Microsoft website that brought me here. I hope it is clear that I want to create a "multilevel outline" and *not* a "multilevel list". Period. Yes, I can see the multilevel *list* tab with such options as, 'define new list style' and 'define new multilevel list.' However, no matter what indent or numbering scheme is used and meant to show up in the print layout, every line in the list is set as "body text". This fact (appears to) offer no functionality to *expand* or *collapse* sub-elements. Whil to add this functionality, eone must invest a serious amount of time on resetting the 'heading sty'es.' I am making some headway on programming each 'heading style', I still don't see the way to link level, so that one would get: 1. 1.1 1.2 1.2.1 2. One can go to the strip/home/styles/heading 1/[right-click]/modify style/format tab/numbering and bullets/define new number format... but there no longer seems to be a link between levels as there was in Word 2003 when you try to redefine 'Heading 2' Again, I think it is a mistake that when I search on "multi-level outline" on the official Microsoft Office website I am sent to Multilevel list." Shauna Kelly's tutorial does not appear to be updated for 2007 despite what it says at the bottom. I think a single clear explanation of how to create ewould prove useful |
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Well, I am glad my post finally made it to the list. Perhaps the repeated non-sends had to do with the way I was closing my submissions (this time I used 'close' inside of Internet Explorer, rather than just 'post'). And yes, I can now see that the USENET Vehicle for microsoft.public.word.docmanagement. That is not clear from the official Microsoft website that brought me here. I hope it is clear that I want to create a "multilevel outline" and *not* a "multilevel list". Period. Yes, I can see the multilevel *list* tab with such options as, 'define new list style' and 'define new multilevel list.' However, no matter what indent or numbering scheme is used and meant to show up in the print layout, every line in the list is set as "body text". This fact (appears to) offer no functionality to *expand* or *collapse* sub-elements. Whil to add this functionality, eone must invest a serious amount of time on resetting the 'heading sty'es.' I am making some headway on programming each 'heading style', I still don't see the way to link level, so that one would get: 1. 1.1 1.2 1.2.1 2. One can go to the strip/home/styles/heading 1/[right-click]/modify style/format tab/numbering and bullets/define new number format... but there no longer seems to be a link between levels as there was in Word 2003 when you try to redefine 'Heading 2' Again, I think it is a mistake that when I search on "multi-level outline" on the official Microsoft Office website I am sent to Multilevel list." Shauna Kelly's tutorial does not appear to be updated for 2007 despite what it says at the bottom. I think a single clear explanation of how to create a interconnected, expandable/collapseable outline would prove useful to the list. |
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