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W2K's dad-burn'd *&%! ellipsis
Hi, All,
Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ... without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will preserve a true ellipsis, but then it's too big. "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting it is info on tab stops! Many thanks, Travis |
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Hi Travis
as soon as word changes the ... do ctrl & z (shortcut key combo for undo) to undo the change - also you could choose tools / autocorrect (options) - find the ... entry and delete it Cheers JulieD "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... Hi, All, Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ... without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will preserve a true ellipsis, but then it's too big. "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting it is info on tab stops! Many thanks, Travis |
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If you type three dots, Word changes it into an ellipis because in Tools |
AutoCorrect, there is an entry for that under "replace text as you type". You can simply delete the entry, and Word will leave it as three periods, but then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I think the three dots will break at lines. You can make your own ellipsis as you like it, and use that as the AutoCorrect entry for 3 dots instead, and set an Exception for capitalization. I am not sure how you would get your ideal non-breaking ellipsis. -- Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/ MacWord Tips: http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/ What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ On 1/6/05 9:03 AM, "Travis" wrote: Hi, All, Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ... without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will preserve a true ellipsis, but then it's too big. "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting it is info on tab stops! Many thanks, Travis |
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To follow on...
to make your own ellipsis, enter a stop, a non-breaking space (Ctrl+Shift+Space), a stop, a non-breaking space and a final stop. It is too wide now, so select the ellipsis and use Format, Font and adjust the character spacing to say -0.5pt. This will reduce the spacing until it looks more like an ellipsis. Adjust the character spacing until it looks as you want. Now select it and save it as an AutoText entry or even replace the AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis with it. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... : Hi, All, : : Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ... : without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably : small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? : : I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the : phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will preserve a : true ellipsis, but then it's too big. : : "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting it is : info on tab stops! : : Many thanks, : : Travis : : |
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Daiya,
I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character (most of my stuff goes out as text in inclusions). Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would almost surely do so. Many thanks! Travis "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message .. . If you type three dots, Word changes it into an ellipis because in Tools | AutoCorrect, there is an entry for that under "replace text as you type". You can simply delete the entry, and Word will leave it as three periods, but then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I think the three dots will break at lines. You can make your own ellipsis as you like it, and use that as the AutoCorrect entry for 3 dots instead, and set an Exception for capitalization. I am not sure how you would get your ideal non-breaking ellipsis. -- Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/ MacWord Tips: http://www.word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/ What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ On 1/6/05 9:03 AM, "Travis" wrote: Hi, All, Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ... without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will preserve a true ellipsis, but then it's too big. "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting it is info on tab stops! Many thanks, Travis |
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Terry,
Thanks for the suggestion. As per above reply, I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character (most of my stuff goes out as text in inclusions). I wonder if Word would make up a new, un-text-exportable character from the curve ball thrown by your custom design, or do you think text export would accept the odd spacing? I may yet have to try it. Many thanks! Travis "TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message ... To follow on... to make your own ellipsis, enter a stop, a non-breaking space (Ctrl+Shift+Space), a stop, a non-breaking space and a final stop. It is too wide now, so select the ellipsis and use Format, Font and adjust the character spacing to say -0.5pt. This will reduce the spacing until it looks more like an ellipsis. Adjust the character spacing until it looks as you want. Now select it and save it as an AutoText entry or even replace the AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis with it. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... : Hi, All, : : Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ... : without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably : small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? : : I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the : phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will preserve a : true ellipsis, but then it's too big. : : "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting it is : info on tab stops! : : Many thanks, : : Travis : : |
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Julie,
Dang. I should have tried your idea first, but got into Autocorrect stuff below and deleted the un-text-exportable Word ellipsis character before I tried a simple undo. Since I don't really want it back ... I'm commited to having written a new rule. But your idea has a nice "Occam's Razor," "most simple attack is best approach" that I like. Many thanks, Travis "JulieD" wrote in message ... Hi Travis as soon as word changes the ... do ctrl & z (shortcut key combo for undo) to undo the change - also you could choose tools / autocorrect (options) - find the ... entry and delete it Cheers JulieD "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... Hi, All, Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ... without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and miserably small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will preserve a true ellipsis, but then it's too big. "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on selecting it is info on tab stops! Many thanks, Travis |
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Hi Travis,
I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character What's the point of this new rule? Why not just delete the entry, and then when you type three periods, nothing happens. Isn't that what you wanted? Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would almost surely do so. One of us is confused. The point about Word's ellipsis is that it will stay together, because it is one character. Three periods may or may not break at a line (I'm not sure, but I think they will), but the AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis doesn't have anything to do with whether Word uses a period as a trigger to wrap a line. Or am I misunderstanding what you say? Nor is auto-cap relevant to line wrapping. Auto-cap comes into play because Word capitalizes any word after a period (unless there is a number before the period). It will see your ellipsis as three periods (as it is), and probably capitalize the next word. Daiya |
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Daiya,
Ah the confusion is mine. When I read "then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I think the three dots will break at lines." I was reading that as the first _causing_ the second, not two separate consequences. I'll investigate turning Auto Cap off or creating an exception. I only recently turned from 1992 Volkswriter (still runs! but won't print under XP) and am a real dummie with Word. What? You can tell? I was hoping that my new "rule" would create an exception to line breaking, and, now, Auto-Cap treating the period as just a period. Hey. There's a "rule"! "Treat these three periods as a single character." Just deleting the rule indeed gets me what I want, but, apparently, only until it's broken in a line or the following letter is capitalized, then I'm back at work struggling to get an exportable ellipsis. 'Probably won't work, but I'll find out soon enough. I shall report my findings to the committee. Travis "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message .. . Hi Travis, I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character What's the point of this new rule? Why not just delete the entry, and then when you type three periods, nothing happens. Isn't that what you wanted? Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would almost surely do so. One of us is confused. The point about Word's ellipsis is that it will stay together, because it is one character. Three periods may or may not break at a line (I'm not sure, but I think they will), but the AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis doesn't have anything to do with whether Word uses a period as a trigger to wrap a line. Or am I misunderstanding what you say? Nor is auto-cap relevant to line wrapping. Auto-cap comes into play because Word capitalizes any word after a period (unless there is a number before the period). It will see your ellipsis as three periods (as it is), and probably capitalize the next word. Daiya |
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To clarify:
1. Deleting the AutoCorrect entry is all that's required. You don't need to replace it. Replacing three periods with three periods is the same as having no AutoCorrect entry at all. 2. Word will not break a line after your three periods unless they are followed by a space, nor will it break a line between the periods unless there is a space. 3. Word will not capitalize the next word after your three periods unless they are followed by a space. 4. All the same is true of an ellipsis character (no line breaks, no caps); moreover, if you press Ctrl+Z to un-correct the AutoCorrection, restoring the ellipsis to three periods, the effect is the same: no line break, no caps unless you put a space after the final period. 5. Word does not auto-capitalize after an ellipsis followed by a space, either, unless the ellipsis is followed by a period (that is, you have typed four periods, the first three of which have been converted to an ellipsis). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... Daiya, Ah the confusion is mine. When I read "then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I think the three dots will break at lines." I was reading that as the first _causing_ the second, not two separate consequences. I'll investigate turning Auto Cap off or creating an exception. I only recently turned from 1992 Volkswriter (still runs! but won't print under XP) and am a real dummie with Word. What? You can tell? I was hoping that my new "rule" would create an exception to line breaking, and, now, Auto-Cap treating the period as just a period. Hey. There's a "rule"! "Treat these three periods as a single character." Just deleting the rule indeed gets me what I want, but, apparently, only until it's broken in a line or the following letter is capitalized, then I'm back at work struggling to get an exportable ellipsis. 'Probably won't work, but I'll find out soon enough. I shall report my findings to the committee. Travis "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message .. . Hi Travis, I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character What's the point of this new rule? Why not just delete the entry, and then when you type three periods, nothing happens. Isn't that what you wanted? Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would almost surely do so. One of us is confused. The point about Word's ellipsis is that it will stay together, because it is one character. Three periods may or may not break at a line (I'm not sure, but I think they will), but the AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis doesn't have anything to do with whether Word uses a period as a trigger to wrap a line. Or am I misunderstanding what you say? Nor is auto-cap relevant to line wrapping. Auto-cap comes into play because Word capitalizes any word after a period (unless there is a number before the period). It will see your ellipsis as three periods (as it is), and probably capitalize the next word. Daiya |
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So far, pushed to one character within the line break, my good old tri-dot is
treated as one character and moved to the next line intact. Auto-cap respects my new rule (or the gods have intervened) and treats the ellipsis as a special case. When I replace it with a single period, Auto-cap is back on the job. I didn't need to make an exception. My rule rules! So. For ellipsis: Don't use "period, space, period, space etc." as it's too big and will just break up and/or trigger Auto-cap (Auto-cap does seem to demand a proper sentence, so the spaces might prevent capitalization, but they do break up). Don't just delete the rule that substitutes the Word "micro-ellipsis character" for your three periods or, same problem. Make up a _new_ rule: "replace three periods with three periods." And it exports to text! Thanks again for your help, Travis "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... Daiya, Ah the confusion is mine. When I read "then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I think the three dots will break at lines." I was reading that as the first _causing_ the second, not two separate consequences. I'll investigate turning Auto Cap off or creating an exception. I only recently turned from 1992 Volkswriter (still runs! but won't print under XP) and am a real dummie with Word. What? You can tell? I was hoping that my new "rule" would create an exception to line breaking, and, now, Auto-Cap treating the period as just a period. Hey. There's a "rule"! "Treat these three periods as a single character." Just deleting the rule indeed gets me what I want, but, apparently, only until it's broken in a line or the following letter is capitalized, then I'm back at work struggling to get an exportable ellipsis. 'Probably won't work, but I'll find out soon enough. I shall report my findings to the committee. Travis "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message .. . Hi Travis, I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character What's the point of this new rule? Why not just delete the entry, and then when you type three periods, nothing happens. Isn't that what you wanted? Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would almost surely do so. One of us is confused. The point about Word's ellipsis is that it will stay together, because it is one character. Three periods may or may not break at a line (I'm not sure, but I think they will), but the AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis doesn't have anything to do with whether Word uses a period as a trigger to wrap a line. Or am I misunderstanding what you say? Nor is auto-cap relevant to line wrapping. Auto-cap comes into play because Word capitalizes any word after a period (unless there is a number before the period). It will see your ellipsis as three periods (as it is), and probably capitalize the next word. Daiya |
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The problem with your solution is that three period characters are not glued
together. There's nothing to stop them from breaking apart as they are three characters and not one character like a real ellipse. You either need to use a non-breaking spaces between them and adjust the character spacing (as I suggested) or a zero width non-breaking space between them. Terry "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message news : Terry, : : Thanks for the suggestion. As per above reply, I was able to "re-instruct" : auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the : rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three : periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character (most of my stuff : goes out as text in inclusions). : : I wonder if Word would make up a new, un-text-exportable character from the curve : ball thrown by your custom design, or do you think text export would accept the odd : spacing? I may yet have to try it. : : Many thanks! : : Travis : : : "TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message : ... : To follow on... : : to make your own ellipsis, enter a stop, a non-breaking space : (Ctrl+Shift+Space), a stop, a non-breaking space and a final stop. It is too : wide now, so select the ellipsis and use Format, Font and adjust the : character spacing to say -0.5pt. This will reduce the spacing until it looks : more like an ellipsis. Adjust the character spacing until it looks as you : want. Now select it and save it as an AutoText entry or even replace the : AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis with it. : : -- : Terry Farrell - Word MVP : http://word.mvps.org/ : : "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message : ... : : Hi, All, : : : : Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods .... : : without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and : miserably : : small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? : : : : I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the : : phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will : preserve a : : true ellipsis, but then it's too big. : : : : "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on : selecting it is : : info on tab stops! : : : : Many thanks, : : : : Travis : : : : : : : : |
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I don't believe he intends to have any spaces between them. That was the
point. If he were typing three spaced periods, they would not be converted to an ellipsis. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message ... The problem with your solution is that three period characters are not glued together. There's nothing to stop them from breaking apart as they are three characters and not one character like a real ellipse. You either need to use a non-breaking spaces between them and adjust the character spacing (as I suggested) or a zero width non-breaking space between them. Terry "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message news : Terry, : : Thanks for the suggestion. As per above reply, I was able to "re-instruct" : auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the : rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three : periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character (most of my stuff : goes out as text in inclusions). : : I wonder if Word would make up a new, un-text-exportable character from the curve : ball thrown by your custom design, or do you think text export would accept the odd : spacing? I may yet have to try it. : : Many thanks! : : Travis : : : "TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message : ... : To follow on... : : to make your own ellipsis, enter a stop, a non-breaking space : (Ctrl+Shift+Space), a stop, a non-breaking space and a final stop. It is too : wide now, so select the ellipsis and use Format, Font and adjust the : character spacing to say -0.5pt. This will reduce the spacing until it looks : more like an ellipsis. Adjust the character spacing until it looks as you : want. Now select it and save it as an AutoText entry or even replace the : AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis with it. : : -- : Terry Farrell - Word MVP : http://word.mvps.org/ : : "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message : ... : : Hi, All, : : : : Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods ... : : without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and : miserably : : small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? : : : : I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've encountered the : : phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three will : preserve a : : true ellipsis, but then it's too big. : : : : "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on : selecting it is : : info on tab stops! : : : : Many thanks, : : : : Travis : : : : : : : : |
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I will merely repeat that none of that is necessary. You can accomplish
exactly the same thing by merely deleting the AutoCorrect entry or pressing Ctrl+Z after the AutoCorrect fires. All the behaviors you describe are the inherent default behaviors of three periods. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... So far, pushed to one character within the line break, my good old tri-dot is treated as one character and moved to the next line intact. Auto-cap respects my new rule (or the gods have intervened) and treats the ellipsis as a special case. When I replace it with a single period, Auto-cap is back on the job. I didn't need to make an exception. My rule rules! So. For ellipsis: Don't use "period, space, period, space etc." as it's too big and will just break up and/or trigger Auto-cap (Auto-cap does seem to demand a proper sentence, so the spaces might prevent capitalization, but they do break up). Don't just delete the rule that substitutes the Word "micro-ellipsis character" for your three periods or, same problem. Make up a _new_ rule: "replace three periods with three periods." And it exports to text! Thanks again for your help, Travis "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... Daiya, Ah the confusion is mine. When I read "then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I think the three dots will break at lines." I was reading that as the first _causing_ the second, not two separate consequences. I'll investigate turning Auto Cap off or creating an exception. I only recently turned from 1992 Volkswriter (still runs! but won't print under XP) and am a real dummie with Word. What? You can tell? I was hoping that my new "rule" would create an exception to line breaking, and, now, Auto-Cap treating the period as just a period. Hey. There's a "rule"! "Treat these three periods as a single character." Just deleting the rule indeed gets me what I want, but, apparently, only until it's broken in a line or the following letter is capitalized, then I'm back at work struggling to get an exportable ellipsis. 'Probably won't work, but I'll find out soon enough. I shall report my findings to the committee. Travis "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message .. . Hi Travis, I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character What's the point of this new rule? Why not just delete the entry, and then when you type three periods, nothing happens. Isn't that what you wanted? Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would almost surely do so. One of us is confused. The point about Word's ellipsis is that it will stay together, because it is one character. Three periods may or may not break at a line (I'm not sure, but I think they will), but the AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis doesn't have anything to do with whether Word uses a period as a trigger to wrap a line. Or am I misunderstanding what you say? Nor is auto-cap relevant to line wrapping. Auto-cap comes into play because Word capitalizes any word after a period (unless there is a number before the period). It will see your ellipsis as three periods (as it is), and probably capitalize the next word. Daiya |
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Gotcha! Weird though because an ellipsis looks OK to me in virtually all
fonts. All I can only guess that Travis is used to seeing an ellipsis in a non-proportional font (which looks ugly to me). Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... :I don't believe he intends to have any spaces between them. That was the : point. If he were typing three spaced periods, they would not be converted : to an ellipsis. : : -- : Suzanne S. Barnhill : Microsoft MVP (Word) : Words into Type : Fairhope, Alabama USA : Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org : Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so : all may benefit. : : "TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message : ... : The problem with your solution is that three period characters are not : glued : together. There's nothing to stop them from breaking apart as they are : three : characters and not one character like a real ellipse. You either need to : use : a non-breaking spaces between them and adjust the character spacing (as I : suggested) or a zero width non-breaking space between them. : : Terry : : "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message : news : : Terry, : : : : Thanks for the suggestion. As per above reply, I was able to : "re-instruct" : : auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the : : rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by : three : : periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character (most : of : my stuff : : goes out as text in inclusions). : : : : I wonder if Word would make up a new, un-text-exportable character from : the curve : : ball thrown by your custom design, or do you think text export would : accept the odd : : spacing? I may yet have to try it. : : : : Many thanks! : : : : Travis : : : : : : "TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message : : ... : : To follow on... : : : : to make your own ellipsis, enter a stop, a non-breaking space : : (Ctrl+Shift+Space), a stop, a non-breaking space and a final stop. It : is : too : : wide now, so select the ellipsis and use Format, Font and adjust the : : character spacing to say -0.5pt. This will reduce the spacing until it : looks : : more like an ellipsis. Adjust the character spacing until it looks as : you : : want. Now select it and save it as an AutoText entry or even replace : the : : AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis with it. : : : : -- : : Terry Farrell - Word MVP : : http://word.mvps.org/ : : : : "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message : : ... : : : Hi, All, : : : : : : Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods : ... : : : without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and : : miserably : : : small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? : : : : : : I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've : encountered : the : : : phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three : will : : preserve a : : : true ellipsis, but then it's too big. : : : : : : "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on : : selecting it is : : : info on tab stops! : : : : : : Many thanks, : : : : : : Travis : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : |
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I think his original objection was that it didn't translate to plain-text
applications such as emails. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message ... Gotcha! Weird though because an ellipsis looks OK to me in virtually all fonts. All I can only guess that Travis is used to seeing an ellipsis in a non-proportional font (which looks ugly to me). Terry "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... :I don't believe he intends to have any spaces between them. That was the : point. If he were typing three spaced periods, they would not be converted : to an ellipsis. : : -- : Suzanne S. Barnhill : Microsoft MVP (Word) : Words into Type : Fairhope, Alabama USA : Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org : Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so : all may benefit. : : "TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message : ... : The problem with your solution is that three period characters are not : glued : together. There's nothing to stop them from breaking apart as they are : three : characters and not one character like a real ellipse. You either need to : use : a non-breaking spaces between them and adjust the character spacing (as I : suggested) or a zero width non-breaking space between them. : : Terry : : "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message : news : : Terry, : : : : Thanks for the suggestion. As per above reply, I was able to : "re-instruct" : : auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the : : rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by : three : : periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character (most : of : my stuff : : goes out as text in inclusions). : : : : I wonder if Word would make up a new, un-text-exportable character from : the curve : : ball thrown by your custom design, or do you think text export would : accept the odd : : spacing? I may yet have to try it. : : : : Many thanks! : : : : Travis : : : : : : "TF" terryfarrell%40%6d%73%6e%2ecom wrote in message : : ... : : To follow on... : : : : to make your own ellipsis, enter a stop, a non-breaking space : : (Ctrl+Shift+Space), a stop, a non-breaking space and a final stop. It : is : too : : wide now, so select the ellipsis and use Format, Font and adjust the : : character spacing to say -0.5pt. This will reduce the spacing until it : looks : : more like an ellipsis. Adjust the character spacing until it looks as : you : : want. Now select it and save it as an AutoText entry or even replace : the : : AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis with it. : : : : -- : : Terry Farrell - Word MVP : : http://word.mvps.org/ : : : : "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message : : ... : : : Hi, All, : : : : : : Does anyone know how to get a tri-dot "ellipsis" with three periods : ... : : : without Word 2000 changing it into its own, non-text-exportable (and : : miserably : : : small) _character_ for ellipsis ...? : : : : : : I have no idea what will be displayed, but perhaps you've : encountered : the : : : phenomenon. Using a period with a space in between each of the three : will : : preserve a : : : true ellipsis, but then it's too big. : : : : : : "ellipsis" is in the Help index, even a key word, but all I get on : : selecting it is : : : info on tab stops! : : : : : : Many thanks, : : : : : : Travis : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : |
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I defer to you, natch, and will remember this if I encounter the problem again. I visited and marked your Word MVP FAQ site for future pestering. It really wouldn't matter if I didn't need reliable export to text. My "all-text" email inclusion stuff is the reason I was able to limp along on Volkswriter all these years after its demise. As I noted to Julie above, I got lost in Autocorrect before getting a chance to try the simple Ctrl-Z undo. And I'm not sufficiently curious to resurrect whatever character it is that Autocorrect substitutes for the "homemade" ellipsis. It's not listed in Ctrl-F as one of the "Special" characters. Many thanks, Travis "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I will merely repeat that none of that is necessary. You can accomplish exactly the same thing by merely deleting the AutoCorrect entry or pressing Ctrl+Z after the AutoCorrect fires. All the behaviors you describe are the inherent default behaviors of three periods. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... So far, pushed to one character within the line break, my good old tri-dot is treated as one character and moved to the next line intact. Auto-cap respects my new rule (or the gods have intervened) and treats the ellipsis as a special case. When I replace it with a single period, Auto-cap is back on the job. I didn't need to make an exception. My rule rules! So. For ellipsis: Don't use "period, space, period, space etc." as it's too big and will just break up and/or trigger Auto-cap (Auto-cap does seem to demand a proper sentence, so the spaces might prevent capitalization, but they do break up). Don't just delete the rule that substitutes the Word "micro-ellipsis character" for your three periods or, same problem. Make up a _new_ rule: "replace three periods with three periods." And it exports to text! Thanks again for your help, Travis "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... Daiya, Ah the confusion is mine. When I read "then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I think the three dots will break at lines." I was reading that as the first _causing_ the second, not two separate consequences. I'll investigate turning Auto Cap off or creating an exception. I only recently turned from 1992 Volkswriter (still runs! but won't print under XP) and am a real dummie with Word. What? You can tell? I was hoping that my new "rule" would create an exception to line breaking, and, now, Auto-Cap treating the period as just a period. Hey. There's a "rule"! "Treat these three periods as a single character." Just deleting the rule indeed gets me what I want, but, apparently, only until it's broken in a line or the following letter is capitalized, then I'm back at work struggling to get an exportable ellipsis. 'Probably won't work, but I'll find out soon enough. I shall report my findings to the committee. Travis "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message .. . Hi Travis, I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character What's the point of this new rule? Why not just delete the entry, and then when you type three periods, nothing happens. Isn't that what you wanted? Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would almost surely do so. One of us is confused. The point about Word's ellipsis is that it will stay together, because it is one character. Three periods may or may not break at a line (I'm not sure, but I think they will), but the AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis doesn't have anything to do with whether Word uses a period as a trigger to wrap a line. Or am I misunderstanding what you say? Nor is auto-cap relevant to line wrapping. Auto-cap comes into play because Word capitalizes any word after a period (unless there is a number before the period). It will see your ellipsis as three periods (as it is), and probably capitalize the next word. Daiya |
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FWIW, the ellipsis is Unicode character 2026 (ANSI 0133). It's in the
General Punctuation character subset in Insert | Symbol. But my main point was that you do not need an AutoCorrect entry to replace three periods with three periods (any more than you need one to replace a with a, b with b, etc.); just deleting the existing AutoCorrect entry is sufficient. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... Suzanne, I defer to you, natch, and will remember this if I encounter the problem again. I visited and marked your Word MVP FAQ site for future pestering. It really wouldn't matter if I didn't need reliable export to text. My "all-text" email inclusion stuff is the reason I was able to limp along on Volkswriter all these years after its demise. As I noted to Julie above, I got lost in Autocorrect before getting a chance to try the simple Ctrl-Z undo. And I'm not sufficiently curious to resurrect whatever character it is that Autocorrect substitutes for the "homemade" ellipsis. It's not listed in Ctrl-F as one of the "Special" characters. Many thanks, Travis "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I will merely repeat that none of that is necessary. You can accomplish exactly the same thing by merely deleting the AutoCorrect entry or pressing Ctrl+Z after the AutoCorrect fires. All the behaviors you describe are the inherent default behaviors of three periods. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... So far, pushed to one character within the line break, my good old tri- dot is treated as one character and moved to the next line intact. Auto-cap respects my new rule (or the gods have intervened) and treats the ellipsis as a special case. When I replace it with a single period, Auto-cap is back on the job. I didn't need to make an exception. My rule rules! So. For ellipsis: Don't use "period, space, period, space etc." as it's too big and will just break up and/or trigger Auto-cap (Auto-cap does seem to demand a proper sentence, so the spaces might prevent capitalization, but they do break up). Don't just delete the rule that substitutes the Word "micro-ellipsis character" for your three periods or, same problem. Make up a _new_ rule: "replace three periods with three periods." And it exports to text! Thanks again for your help, Travis "Travis" travis_at_charbeneau_dot_net wrote in message ... Daiya, Ah the confusion is mine. When I read "then AutoCorrect capitalization fires, and I think the three dots will break at lines." I was reading that as the first _causing_ the second, not two separate consequences. I'll investigate turning Auto Cap off or creating an exception. I only recently turned from 1992 Volkswriter (still runs! but won't print under XP) and am a real dummie with Word. What? You can tell? I was hoping that my new "rule" would create an exception to line breaking, and, now, Auto-Cap treating the period as just a period. Hey. There's a "rule"! "Treat these three periods as a single character." Just deleting the rule indeed gets me what I want, but, apparently, only until it's broken in a line or the following letter is capitalized, then I'm back at work struggling to get an exportable ellipsis. 'Probably won't work, but I'll find out soon enough. I shall report my findings to the committee. Travis "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message .. . Hi Travis, I was able to "re-instruct" auto-correct's take on the ellipsis by deleting the rule, then replacing it with a new rule: three periods to be replaced by three periods, rather than the un-text-exportable "ellipsis" character What's the point of this new rule? Why not just delete the entry, and then when you type three periods, nothing happens. Isn't that what you wanted? Whether or not this keeps the auto-cap from breaking them at lines remains to be seen, but merely deleting the rule would almost surely do so. One of us is confused. The point about Word's ellipsis is that it will stay together, because it is one character. Three periods may or may not break at a line (I'm not sure, but I think they will), but the AutoCorrect entry for the ellipsis doesn't have anything to do with whether Word uses a period as a trigger to wrap a line. Or am I misunderstanding what you say? Nor is auto-cap relevant to line wrapping. Auto-cap comes into play because Word capitalizes any word after a period (unless there is a number before the period). It will see your ellipsis as three periods (as it is), and probably capitalize the next word. Daiya |