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Page numbering problem (Word 2000)
In a long (140 p) and conplex document I've numbered pages in the footers
according to chapters: 2-1, 2-1, etc. In the later sections of the document this isn't working correctly. With appropriate breaks and chapter headings that worked for most of the document, the first page in a new chapter's footer gives the continuing page number for the previous chapter. Pages will go 15-12, 15-13, 16-14, 16-2. I'm pretty sure I've done all the selections correctly. Anyone ever experience this? Is there a fix? Does Word 2003 do any better? (The workaround of manually numbering the pages creates problems in the TOC, Index, and cross references.) Thanks for any help, - charles |
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Make sure that "Start at 1" is set in Format Page Number for those sections.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "charles thiesen" wrote in message ... In a long (140 p) and conplex document I've numbered pages in the footers according to chapters: 2-1, 2-1, etc. In the later sections of the document this isn't working correctly. With appropriate breaks and chapter headings that worked for most of the document, the first page in a new chapter's footer gives the continuing page number for the previous chapter. Pages will go 15-12, 15-13, 16-14, 16-2. I'm pretty sure I've done all the selections correctly. Anyone ever experience this? Is there a fix? Does Word 2003 do any better? (The workaround of manually numbering the pages creates problems in the TOC, Index, and cross references.) Thanks for any help, - charles |
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Thanks for the swift response.
I've triple checked that. It is. - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Make sure that "Start at 1" is set in Format Page Number for those sections. |
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Are there "hidden" sections in the middle of pages? For example, where you
change the number of columns? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. charles wrote in message ... Thanks for the swift response. I've triple checked that. It is. - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Make sure that "Start at 1" is set in Format Page Number for those sections. |
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Page numbering problem (Word 2000)
I insert section breaks in the middle of pages so I can have unique headers
from one page to another. Not every page, but often. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Are there "hidden" sections in the middle of pages? For example, where you change the number of columns? |
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Instead of inserting section breaks "in the middle of pages," use Next Page
breaks. This will make it much easier to access the correct header/footer. Also, if the header reflects content on the page, you may be able to use a StyleRef field, which will make a section break unnecessary; see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. charles wrote in message ... I insert section breaks in the middle of pages so I can have unique headers from one page to another. Not every page, but often. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Are there "hidden" sections in the middle of pages? For example, where you change the number of columns? |
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Thanks (for your continuing attention to this and your swift replies.) The
problem with using next page breaks is that this is a long changing document. If I have to hard code fifty or sixty page breaks whenever the document grows, I'm sort of defeating the purpose of having a powerful word processor like Word. I will take a look at your styleRef suggestion, though. thanks again, - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Instead of inserting section breaks "in the middle of pages," use Next Page breaks. This will make it much easier to access the correct header/footer. Also, if the header reflects content on the page, you may be able to use a StyleRef field, which will make a section break unnecessary; see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. |
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Section breaks should be avoided wherever possible, as should manual page
breaks, as they are a recipe for disaster when a document is still being edited. Neither should be inserted until editing is complete. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. charles wrote in message ... Thanks (for your continuing attention to this and your swift replies.) The problem with using next page breaks is that this is a long changing document. If I have to hard code fifty or sixty page breaks whenever the document grows, I'm sort of defeating the purpose of having a powerful word processor like Word. I will take a look at your styleRef suggestion, though. thanks again, - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Instead of inserting section breaks "in the middle of pages," use Next Page breaks. This will make it much easier to access the correct header/footer. Also, if the header reflects content on the page, you may be able to use a StyleRef field, which will make a section break unnecessary; see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. |
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@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: Section breaks should be avoided wherever possible, as should manual page breaks, as they are a recipe for disaster when a document is still being edited. Neither should be inserted until editing is complete. That leaves me with a problem. This is a technical manual for software that is continually improved. We need to be able to replace sections as the software changes. So, the manual is done, I've inserted the section breaks (and having done so at the end of this version still face that disaster). And now it seems I'll have more problems down the road as I need to make changes. This sounds a lot more like a bug than a feature. Should MicroSoft be documenting features that become recipes for disaster even when used as directed? Sorry. I'm not venting my spleen at you. I really appreciate your help. It's just frustrating to rely on something that one expects to behave as advertised. thanks again, - charles |
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When used properly, section breaks shouldn't cause problems. Because so many
users don't understand sections, section formatting, section breaks, or the various ways to use headers and footers, it's generally easier for novices to avoid section breaks as much as possible. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "charles thiesen" wrote in message ... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in news:uRyQrP89GHA.1220 @TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: Section breaks should be avoided wherever possible, as should manual page breaks, as they are a recipe for disaster when a document is still being edited. Neither should be inserted until editing is complete. That leaves me with a problem. This is a technical manual for software that is continually improved. We need to be able to replace sections as the software changes. So, the manual is done, I've inserted the section breaks (and having done so at the end of this version still face that disaster). And now it seems I'll have more problems down the road as I need to make changes. This sounds a lot more like a bug than a feature. Should MicroSoft be documenting features that become recipes for disaster even when used as directed? Sorry. I'm not venting my spleen at you. I really appreciate your help. It's just frustrating to rely on something that one expects to behave as advertised. thanks again, - charles |
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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in
: When used properly, section breaks shouldn't cause problems. Because so many users don't understand sections, section formatting, section breaks, or the various ways to use headers and footers, it's generally easier for novices to avoid section breaks as much as possible. I use Word professionally and don't consider myself a novice. (I'm not insulted, but I thought you should know.) Although I haven't attempted this much with section breaks before, I use them regularly to control changes in headers and footers. My use this time, although extensive, hardly seems that difficult. As each chapter sub heading changes, I change the navigation header in the left page header. This means I need a new section every other page or so. On average I'd guess I have a section break every three pages. This worked fine without a problem. At new chapters I want Word to automatically change the page number in the footer to reflect the chapter number 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, etc. I've done this many times with no problem. I'm also changing the chapter title in the same footer, but it's already a new section, so that shouldn't be a problem. This time, though, I have the problem that I described to you. Again, I appreciate your swift replies. Thanks very much, - charles |
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I've lost track of the described problem (and, since you've snipped the
quoted text, I can't easily retrace it), but as a general rule, even if you require section breaks between chapters for other reasons (in order to have a different first page, for example), you don't usually need to unlink the headers and footers just to change the chapter title or page numbering. You can use a StyleRef field in the header to pick up the chapter title, and the chapter number in the page number should be achieved using the method described at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Numbering/ChapterNumber.htm. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "charles thiesen" wrote in message ... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : When used properly, section breaks shouldn't cause problems. Because so many users don't understand sections, section formatting, section breaks, or the various ways to use headers and footers, it's generally easier for novices to avoid section breaks as much as possible. I use Word professionally and don't consider myself a novice. (I'm not insulted, but I thought you should know.) Although I haven't attempted this much with section breaks before, I use them regularly to control changes in headers and footers. My use this time, although extensive, hardly seems that difficult. As each chapter sub heading changes, I change the navigation header in the left page header. This means I need a new section every other page or so. On average I'd guess I have a section break every three pages. This worked fine without a problem. At new chapters I want Word to automatically change the page number in the footer to reflect the chapter number 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, etc. I've done this many times with no problem. I'm also changing the chapter title in the same footer, but it's already a new section, so that shouldn't be a problem. This time, though, I have the problem that I described to you. Again, I appreciate your swift replies. Thanks very much, - charles |
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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in
: I've lost track of the described problem (and, since you've snipped the quoted text, I can't easily retrace it), but as a general rule, even if you require section breaks between chapters for other reasons (in order to have a different first page, for example), you don't usually need to unlink the headers and footers just to change the chapter title or page numbering. You can use a StyleRef field in the header to pick up the chapter title, and the chapter number in the page number should be achieved using the method described at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Numbering/ChapterNumber.htm. Apparently my news software snips earlier text. I've collected it all and pasted the entire conversation in below. For what I'm trying to do (use different levels of headings referenced in even headers in a complex way) I do seem to need those regular continuous breaks. I don't see why that should be a problem. But now my problem is worse. I just upgraded to Office 2003 thinking this problem might have been solved, but it has made things much worse. I'm only beginning to assess the damage, but many footers that worked fine before are now impossible to set correctly. If I have the patience, I'll try to describe the problem clearly after a little more work. I'm afraid I may need to hard code page numbers. I'm really upset at the moment. - charles In a long (140 p) and conplex document I've numbered pages in the footers according to chapters: 2-1, 2-1, etc. In the later sections of the document this isn't working correctly. With appropriate breaks and chapter headings that worked for most of the document, the first page in a new chapter's footer gives the continuing page number for the previous chapter. Pages will go 15-12, 15-13, 16-14, 16-2. I'm pretty sure I've done all the selections correctly. Anyone ever experience this? Is there a fix? Does Word 2003 do any better? (The workaround of manually numbering the pages creates problems in the TOC, Index, and cross references.) Thanks for any help, - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Make sure that "Start at 1" is set in Format Page Number for those sections. I've triple checked that. It is. - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Are there "hidden" sections in the middle of pages? For example, where you change the number of columns? I insert section breaks in the middle of pages so I can have unique headers from one page to another. Not every page, but often. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Instead of inserting section breaks "in the middle of pages," use Next Page breaks. This will make it much easier to access the correct header/footer. Also, if the header reflects content on the page, you may be able to use a StyleRef field, which will make a section break unnecessary; see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. Thanks (for your continuing attention to this and your swift replies.) The problem with using next page breaks is that this is a long changing document. If I have to hard code fifty or sixty page breaks whenever the document grows, I'm sort of defeating the purpose of having a powerful word processor like Word. I will take a look at your styleRef suggestion, though. thanks again, - charles Section breaks should be avoided wherever possible, as should manual page breaks, as they are a recipe for disaster when a document is still being edited. Neither should be inserted until editing is complete. That leaves me with a problem. This is a technical manual for software that is continually improved. We need to be able to replace sections as the software changes. So, the manual is done, I've inserted the section breaks (and having done so at the end of this version still face that disaster). And now it seems I'll have more problems down the road as I need to make changes. This sounds a lot more like a bug than a feature. Should MicroSoft be documenting features that become recipes for disaster even when used as directed? Sorry. I'm not venting my spleen at you. I really appreciate your help. It's just frustrating to rely on something that one expects to behave as advertised. thanks again, - charles |
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Page numbering problem (Word 2000)
Ah, your problem was with using Continuous breaks instead of Next Page. I
can see how that would cause problems. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. charles wrote in message ... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : I've lost track of the described problem (and, since you've snipped the quoted text, I can't easily retrace it), but as a general rule, even if you require section breaks between chapters for other reasons (in order to have a different first page, for example), you don't usually need to unlink the headers and footers just to change the chapter title or page numbering. You can use a StyleRef field in the header to pick up the chapter title, and the chapter number in the page number should be achieved using the method described at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Numbering/ChapterNumber.htm. Apparently my news software snips earlier text. I've collected it all and pasted the entire conversation in below. For what I'm trying to do (use different levels of headings referenced in even headers in a complex way) I do seem to need those regular continuous breaks. I don't see why that should be a problem. But now my problem is worse. I just upgraded to Office 2003 thinking this problem might have been solved, but it has made things much worse. I'm only beginning to assess the damage, but many footers that worked fine before are now impossible to set correctly. If I have the patience, I'll try to describe the problem clearly after a little more work. I'm afraid I may need to hard code page numbers. I'm really upset at the moment. - charles In a long (140 p) and conplex document I've numbered pages in the footers according to chapters: 2-1, 2-1, etc. In the later sections of the document this isn't working correctly. With appropriate breaks and chapter headings that worked for most of the document, the first page in a new chapter's footer gives the continuing page number for the previous chapter. Pages will go 15-12, 15-13, 16-14, 16-2. I'm pretty sure I've done all the selections correctly. Anyone ever experience this? Is there a fix? Does Word 2003 do any better? (The workaround of manually numbering the pages creates problems in the TOC, Index, and cross references.) Thanks for any help, - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Make sure that "Start at 1" is set in Format Page Number for those sections. I've triple checked that. It is. - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Are there "hidden" sections in the middle of pages? For example, where you change the number of columns? I insert section breaks in the middle of pages so I can have unique headers from one page to another. Not every page, but often. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Instead of inserting section breaks "in the middle of pages," use Next Page breaks. This will make it much easier to access the correct header/footer. Also, if the header reflects content on the page, you may be able to use a StyleRef field, which will make a section break unnecessary; see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. Thanks (for your continuing attention to this and your swift replies.) The problem with using next page breaks is that this is a long changing document. If I have to hard code fifty or sixty page breaks whenever the document grows, I'm sort of defeating the purpose of having a powerful word processor like Word. I will take a look at your styleRef suggestion, though. thanks again, - charles Section breaks should be avoided wherever possible, as should manual page breaks, as they are a recipe for disaster when a document is still being edited. Neither should be inserted until editing is complete. That leaves me with a problem. This is a technical manual for software that is continually improved. We need to be able to replace sections as the software changes. So, the manual is done, I've inserted the section breaks (and having done so at the end of this version still face that disaster). And now it seems I'll have more problems down the road as I need to make changes. This sounds a lot more like a bug than a feature. Should MicroSoft be documenting features that become recipes for disaster even when used as directed? Sorry. I'm not venting my spleen at you. I really appreciate your help. It's just frustrating to rely on something that one expects to behave as advertised. thanks again, - charles |
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I'm actually laughing. Do you mean I can't do what I'm trying to do?
If that's the case, will StyleRef let me create headers that include two levels of headings - the most recent, say, of Heading one and two? And, further, can I suppress the header on blank pages (inserted to keep my next chapter start on the right side of a spread)? thanks, - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in news:uiWhMUF$GHA.4468 @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: Ah, your problem was with using Continuous breaks instead of Next Page. I can see how that would cause problems. Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. charles wrote in message ... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : I've lost track of the described problem (and, since you've snipped the quoted text, I can't easily retrace it), but as a general rule, even if you require section breaks between chapters for other reasons (in order to have a different first page, for example), you don't usually need to unlink the headers and footers just to change the chapter title or page numbering. You can use a StyleRef field in the header to pick up the chapter title, and the chapter number in the page number should be achieved using the method described at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Numbering/ChapterNumber.htm. Apparently my news software snips earlier text. I've collected it all and pasted the entire conversation in below. For what I'm trying to do (use different levels of headings referenced in even headers in a complex way) I do seem to need those regular continuous breaks. I don't see why that should be a problem. But now my problem is worse. I just upgraded to Office 2003 thinking this problem might have been solved, but it has made things much worse. I'm only beginning to assess the damage, but many footers that worked fine before are now impossible to set correctly. If I have the patience, I'll try to describe the problem clearly after a little more work. I'm afraid I may need to hard code page numbers. I'm really upset at the moment. - charles In a long (140 p) and conplex document I've numbered pages in the footers according to chapters: 2-1, 2-1, etc. In the later sections of the document this isn't working correctly. With appropriate breaks and chapter headings that worked for most of the document, the first page in a new chapter's footer gives the continuing page number for the previous chapter. Pages will go 15-12, 15-13, 16-14, 16-2. I'm pretty sure I've done all the selections correctly. Anyone ever experience this? Is there a fix? Does Word 2003 do any better? (The workaround of manually numbering the pages creates problems in the TOC, Index, and cross references.) Thanks for any help, - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Make sure that "Start at 1" is set in Format Page Number for those sections. I've triple checked that. It is. - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Are there "hidden" sections in the middle of pages? For example, where you change the number of columns? I insert section breaks in the middle of pages so I can have unique headers from one page to another. Not every page, but often. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Instead of inserting section breaks "in the middle of pages," use Next Page breaks. This will make it much easier to access the correct header/footer. Also, if the header reflects content on the page, you may be able to use a StyleRef field, which will make a section break unnecessary; see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. Thanks (for your continuing attention to this and your swift replies.) The problem with using next page breaks is that this is a long changing document. If I have to hard code fifty or sixty page breaks whenever the document grows, I'm sort of defeating the purpose of having a powerful word processor like Word. I will take a look at your styleRef suggestion, though. thanks again, - charles Section breaks should be avoided wherever possible, as should manual page breaks, as they are a recipe for disaster when a document is still being edited. Neither should be inserted until editing is complete. That leaves me with a problem. This is a technical manual for software that is continually improved. We need to be able to replace sections as the software changes. So, the manual is done, I've inserted the section breaks (and having done so at the end of this version still face that disaster). And now it seems I'll have more problems down the road as I need to make changes. This sounds a lot more like a bug than a feature. Should MicroSoft be documenting features that become recipes for disaster even when used as directed? Sorry. I'm not venting my spleen at you. I really appreciate your help. It's just frustrating to rely on something that one expects to behave as advertised. thanks again, - charles |
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I think you can do everything you want with the right kind of section breaks
(Odd Page) and StyleRef fields. If you separate chapters with Odd Page section breaks, every chapter will start on a recto (right-hand) page, and a completely blank even page will be inserted when needed. Restarting numbering should not be an issue provided you start with 1 or another odd number (Word won't let you put an even number on a recto page). There is a problem with the SectionPages field in such sections, since Word unfortunately counts the blank page as the first page in the new section instead of the last of the old (internally logical, since it does follow the section break, but not at all satisfactory to most users). If you use "Different first page" as well as "Different odd and even," you can have up to three different headers and footers in any section (see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm). I think you should probably be able to get the headings you want in the headers using the StyleRef field; see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. All of the above is, I think, what I have been saying from the beginning. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "charles" wrote in message ... I'm actually laughing. Do you mean I can't do what I'm trying to do? If that's the case, will StyleRef let me create headers that include two levels of headings - the most recent, say, of Heading one and two? And, further, can I suppress the header on blank pages (inserted to keep my next chapter start on the right side of a spread)? thanks, - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in news:uiWhMUF$GHA.4468 @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: Ah, your problem was with using Continuous breaks instead of Next Page. I can see how that would cause problems. Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. charles wrote in message ... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : I've lost track of the described problem (and, since you've snipped the quoted text, I can't easily retrace it), but as a general rule, even if you require section breaks between chapters for other reasons (in order to have a different first page, for example), you don't usually need to unlink the headers and footers just to change the chapter title or page numbering. You can use a StyleRef field in the header to pick up the chapter title, and the chapter number in the page number should be achieved using the method described at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Numbering/ChapterNumber.htm. Apparently my news software snips earlier text. I've collected it all and pasted the entire conversation in below. For what I'm trying to do (use different levels of headings referenced in even headers in a complex way) I do seem to need those regular continuous breaks. I don't see why that should be a problem. But now my problem is worse. I just upgraded to Office 2003 thinking this problem might have been solved, but it has made things much worse. I'm only beginning to assess the damage, but many footers that worked fine before are now impossible to set correctly. If I have the patience, I'll try to describe the problem clearly after a little more work. I'm afraid I may need to hard code page numbers. I'm really upset at the moment. - charles In a long (140 p) and conplex document I've numbered pages in the footers according to chapters: 2-1, 2-1, etc. In the later sections of the document this isn't working correctly. With appropriate breaks and chapter headings that worked for most of the document, the first page in a new chapter's footer gives the continuing page number for the previous chapter. Pages will go 15-12, 15-13, 16-14, 16-2. I'm pretty sure I've done all the selections correctly. Anyone ever experience this? Is there a fix? Does Word 2003 do any better? (The workaround of manually numbering the pages creates problems in the TOC, Index, and cross references.) Thanks for any help, - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Make sure that "Start at 1" is set in Format Page Number for those sections. I've triple checked that. It is. - charles "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Are there "hidden" sections in the middle of pages? For example, where you change the number of columns? I insert section breaks in the middle of pages so I can have unique headers from one page to another. Not every page, but often. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : Instead of inserting section breaks "in the middle of pages," use Next Page breaks. This will make it much easier to access the correct header/footer. Also, if the header reflects content on the page, you may be able to use a StyleRef field, which will make a section break unnecessary; see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. Thanks (for your continuing attention to this and your swift replies.) The problem with using next page breaks is that this is a long changing document. If I have to hard code fifty or sixty page breaks whenever the document grows, I'm sort of defeating the purpose of having a powerful word processor like Word. I will take a look at your styleRef suggestion, though. thanks again, - charles Section breaks should be avoided wherever possible, as should manual page breaks, as they are a recipe for disaster when a document is still being edited. Neither should be inserted until editing is complete. That leaves me with a problem. This is a technical manual for software that is continually improved. We need to be able to replace sections as the software changes. So, the manual is done, I've inserted the section breaks (and having done so at the end of this version still face that disaster). And now it seems I'll have more problems down the road as I need to make changes. This sounds a lot more like a bug than a feature. Should MicroSoft be documenting features that become recipes for disaster even when used as directed? Sorry. I'm not venting my spleen at you. I really appreciate your help. It's just frustrating to rely on something that one expects to behave as advertised. thanks again, - charles |
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Page numbering problem (Word 2000)
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in
: I think you can do everything you want with the right kind of section breaks (Odd Page) and StyleRef fields. If you separate chapters with Odd Page section breaks, every chapter will start on a recto (right-hand) page, and a completely blank even page will be inserted when needed. Restarting numbering should not be an issue provided you start with 1 or another odd number (Word won't let you put an even number on a recto page). There is a problem with the SectionPages field in such sections, since Word unfortunately counts the blank page as the first page in the new section instead of the last of the old (internally logical, since it does follow the section break, but not at all satisfactory to most users). If you use "Different first page" as well as "Different odd and even," you can have up to three different headers and footers in any section (see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm). I think you should probably be able to get the headings you want in the headers using the StyleRef field; see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. All of the above is, I think, what I have been saying from the beginning. Unfortunately not what I've been hearing, but, hey, my mother claimed to find potatoes grwoing in my ears when she washed them, so they may have needed a little gardening. Or maybe I should pay better attention. In any case, thanks for persisting. I'll see if I can put this all together and get my document done for my deadline tomorrow. If not, you'll know, because I'll be begging for more help. thanks, - charles |
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Page numbering problem (Word 2000)
Some people are just "hard of listening." g
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. charles wrote in message ... "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in : I think you can do everything you want with the right kind of section breaks (Odd Page) and StyleRef fields. If you separate chapters with Odd Page section breaks, every chapter will start on a recto (right-hand) page, and a completely blank even page will be inserted when needed. Restarting numbering should not be an issue provided you start with 1 or another odd number (Word won't let you put an even number on a recto page). There is a problem with the SectionPages field in such sections, since Word unfortunately counts the blank page as the first page in the new section instead of the last of the old (internally logical, since it does follow the section break, but not at all satisfactory to most users). If you use "Different first page" as well as "Different odd and even," you can have up to three different headers and footers in any section (see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/HeaderFooter.htm). I think you should probably be able to get the headings you want in the headers using the StyleRef field; see http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/StyleRef.htm. All of the above is, I think, what I have been saying from the beginning. Unfortunately not what I've been hearing, but, hey, my mother claimed to find potatoes grwoing in my ears when she washed them, so they may have needed a little gardening. Or maybe I should pay better attention. In any case, thanks for persisting. I'll see if I can put this all together and get my document done for my deadline tomorrow. If not, you'll know, because I'll be begging for more help. thanks, - charles |
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Page numbering problem (Word 2000)
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in news:e6v$cXR$GHA.4708
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: Some people are just "hard of listening." g Suzanne, you are a goddess! You saved my life, or maybe just my career, or really maybe just this project, but whatever it was you saved, thanks. I'd ask for your hand, but I assume you need it for typing. The StyleRef stuff is terrifically useful, but it was forcing odd page breaks that fixed most of the problems. Thanks again, - charles |
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