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The Arrogance of Microsoft
Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company!
-- JoAnn Paules Microsoft MVP - Publisher How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 "J Walker" wrote in message ... The Arrogance of Microsoft This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance! I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research before buying. Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Thanks for your understanding JoAnn.
You are of course correct€¦ Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that they would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have spent the last 20 years learning? I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody remember New Coke? Thanks again JoAnn. "JoAnn Paules" wrote: Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company! -- JoAnn Paules Microsoft MVP - Publisher How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 "J Walker" wrote in message ... The Arrogance of Microsoft This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance! I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research before buying. Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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It's free elsewhere.
"J Walker" wrote in message ... Thanks for your understanding JoAnn. You are of course correct. Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that they would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have spent the last 20 years learning? I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody remember New Coke? Thanks again JoAnn. "JoAnn Paules" wrote: Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company! -- JoAnn Paules Microsoft MVP - Publisher How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 "J Walker" wrote in message ... The Arrogance of Microsoft This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance! I am so sorry that I upgraded. I've used Word for just about 20 years now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research before buying. Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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The Arrogance of Microsoft
The new interface was widely touted. Office is not inexpensive. If you
didn't read anything at all about the new version, it's your own fault. I am so tired of people who do not accept responsibility for their own actions, even down to buying software. It's always someone's else's fault if we aren't satisfied. As for the ribbon - get used to it because I really doubt that it's going away. -- JoAnn Paules Microsoft MVP - Publisher How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 "J Walker" wrote in message ... Thanks for your understanding JoAnn. You are of course correct€¦ Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that they would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have spent the last 20 years learning? I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody remember New Coke? Thanks again JoAnn. "JoAnn Paules" wrote: Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company! -- JoAnn Paules Microsoft MVP - Publisher How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 "J Walker" wrote in message ... The Arrogance of Microsoft This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance! I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research before buying. Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Had you come here to check first, you would have found all your observations
discussed many times over, but you are still not doing your homework? If you want to restore the menus using the add-in, that portion of the add-in is free. No-one is forcing you to purchase anything - and Patrick's excellent ribbon customizer has nothing to do with Microsoft. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org J Walker wrote: The Arrogance of Microsoft This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance! I am so sorry that I upgraded. I've used Word for just about 20 years now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research before buying. Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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J, there are a vast number of experienced Office customers who completely
agree with you. Perhaps the more we proclaim that "the Emperor wears no clothes", the sooner Microsoft will wake up and smell the coffee and fix the interface for Office 2007. The ribbon does have a couple of good features but overall I find it cumbersome and irritating: when I've tried performing the same tasks in Excel 2007 that I have in prior versions, it actually takes me more time and mindless keystrokes. Even with the third party menus, the new dialogue boxes still exist and the full functionality isn't there. As a result, I've "upgraded" back to Excel 2000 and PowerPoint 2000 and consigned the Office 2007 versions to the rubbish heap. I only keep them around in case someone sends me a 2007 file that I can't open. As for Patrick Schmid's free menus, I purchased the third party ones before I was aware of them, sometime around mid-April 2007. I also see that he was chastised for "caving" in to people's requests for menus. Warning bells should be going off all over Microsoft at this point, but so far it all appears to be falling on deaf ears. Incidentally, a lot of large corporations I work with are postponing their "upgrade" to Office 2007 until this issue is resolved. Maybe Microsoft will start listening to customers now. joe_btfsplk "J Walker" wrote: Thanks for your understanding JoAnn. You are of course correct€¦ Why should any of us expect that all our years of learning, using and upgrading the MS products would warrant any reasonable expectation that they would not go off and re-invent all the menus and commands that we have spent the last 20 years learning? I have the feeling that this new UI will go the way of New Coke. Anybody remember New Coke? Thanks again JoAnn. "JoAnn Paules" wrote: Yeah, how dare they not do your homework for you! Bad company! -- JoAnn Paules Microsoft MVP - Publisher How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 "J Walker" wrote in message ... The Arrogance of Microsoft This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance! I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research before buying. Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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how do i enable the old menu bar
Let me ask this -- Was this ribbon really designed with professional
documentation specialists, writers, editors, proofreaders in mind? It looks like a game interface! We buy the product for OUR use not for some designer's whim. We hear: "Try it! You'll like it!" We've tried it; we do NOT like it. We hate it. We don't want it. We want a TOOL that will keep us productive. If this is the direction MS is taking with its "tools," then Hello, WordPerfect! I hope they will devise a "classic menus" feature for the service pack. It would be a mistake not to. I can tell you one international company that will not move toward the product. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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"Tony Jollans" wrote: There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut. You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ... or ... ... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is yours. -- Enjoy, Tony "Folstaff" wrote in message ... It probably does, it just isn't my habit. I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Just adding my 2 cents to the equation. I'm an ergonomist, and I can tell you
after dealing with several clients, including my own mistake to purchase this supposed "upgrade" in service, I cannot understand the ridiculous design of the ribbon feature. It is not a matter of simply getting used to a new system, but a complete lack of human factors consideration, increasing the amount of work (yes, even after learning the system) to achieve the same outcome. Microsoft has truly hurt itself with this design and their lack of response in addressing it. Let the chips fall where they may. "Old Lady Tries" wrote: "Tony Jollans" wrote: There _is_ an order of keystrokes you can learn; it may not be the same as the one you used to use but there still is one with the only real quirk being the QAT where the position of the icon affects the shortcut. You no longer have the option to tailor your menu and have your own accelerators so if you did that you have a problem. There is, though, some built in 'legacy support' and a good many of the old default shortcuts still work; several, however, don't and at least one does something different. I can't imagine this support continuing on indefinitely into future releases and you will have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Meanwhile Ctrl+Z has already been mentioned and Alt+Backspace also still works, or Alt+E, U, ... or ... ... you can assign Alt+E and Enter to Undo. It will require a macro to do the customization and it will stop Alt+E working in other ways - but that can be overcome with some more customization. The choice, for the moment, is yours. -- Enjoy, Tony "Folstaff" wrote in message ... It probably does, it just isn't my habit. I know I am out of step when I look at a mouse as a necessary evil, but here is my problem, there is no order of keystrokes that I can learn now. So my productivity will always be limited to the speed at which I can get back to typing from picking up my mouse. By and by...I read how this system is based on the statistics from Office 2003. Why would anyone do that? The majority of users were still on Office 97 2 years ago if they still aren't now. Not to mention, people like myself who would never, and I mean never, choose to have my clicks counted and tracked. Do we know the percentage of Office (not 2003, not XP, but Office) users who did? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Ctrl+Z will also Undo, and that will still work, I believe. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Folstaff" wrote in message ... I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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This is addressed to the folks who have created the 3rd-party add-ins to
restore the menu/toolbar functionality of Word 2000/2003. Does your add-in allow for the creation of custom menus?? I'm currently using Word 2000 and have a customized menu setup for all the various legal documents/pleadings I use everyday, with various sub-menus for motions, notices, orders, objections and so forth as well as documents used solely within our office. It works off of one menu button with a number of items, each of which opens onto several cascading sub-menus of individual documents (most all of which are merge documents, if that matters). It's ridiculously easy to use: 1. click the menu button 2. mouse-over to what you want to open 3. click that document name. For me to use your product, and recommend it to the rest of the firm (since I'm the one who sets all this stuff up on individual machines), I need to be able to add/remove individual items as necessary. A speedy response would be GREATLY welcome, as I'd rather not *have* to add Office 2000 on our pre-installed Office 2007 machines. Thanks for your time. |
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Hi Legalbear,
FWIW, the MS hosted discussion groups are generally peer support rather than MS support. If you have a template with your custom toolbar(s) (not modifications to Word's built in toolbars) and you load that template as a global template under Word 2007 either by placing it in the startup folder for Word or using the template dialog (Alt, T, I) your toolbar choices, although looking a bit different as far as layout) will appear in an 'Add-Ins' tab on the ribbon. You can modify your template through an older version of Word to change the choices, but you won't be able to change the choices in the 'Add-Ins' tab as shown. One of the 3rd party add-ins, http://toolbartoggle.com does allow a bit more flexibility in using and modifying floating menus. Customization of the ribbon is also possible with a bit of a learning curve in XML. ============= "Legalbear" wrote in message ... This is addressed to the folks who have created the 3rd-party add-ins to restore the menu/toolbar functionality of Word 2000/2003. Does your add-in allow for the creation of custom menus?? I'm currently using Word 2000 and have a customized menu setup for all the various legal documents/pleadings I use everyday, with various sub-menus for motions, notices, orders, objections and so forth as well as documents used solely within our office. It works off of one menu button with a number of items, each of which opens onto several cascading sub-menus of individual documents (most all of which are merge documents, if that matters). It's ridiculously easy to use: 1. click the menu button 2. mouse-over to what you want to open 3. click that document name. For me to use your product, and recommend it to the rest of the firm (since I'm the one who sets all this stuff up on individual machines), I need to be able to add/remove individual items as necessary. A speedy response would be GREATLY welcome, as I'd rather not *have* to add Office 2000 on our pre-installed Office 2007 machines. Thanks for your time. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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Note, however, that Legalbear was addressing not Microsoft but those who
have created third-party add-ins for Word/Office 2007. Not that they post here, either. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote in message ... Hi Legalbear, FWIW, the MS hosted discussion groups are generally peer support rather than MS support. If you have a template with your custom toolbar(s) (not modifications to Word's built in toolbars) and you load that template as a global template under Word 2007 either by placing it in the startup folder for Word or using the template dialog (Alt, T, I) your toolbar choices, although looking a bit different as far as layout) will appear in an 'Add-Ins' tab on the ribbon. You can modify your template through an older version of Word to change the choices, but you won't be able to change the choices in the 'Add-Ins' tab as shown. One of the 3rd party add-ins, http://toolbartoggle.com does allow a bit more flexibility in using and modifying floating menus. Customization of the ribbon is also possible with a bit of a learning curve in XML. ============= "Legalbear" wrote in message ... This is addressed to the folks who have created the 3rd-party add-ins to restore the menu/toolbar functionality of Word 2000/2003. Does your add-in allow for the creation of custom menus?? I'm currently using Word 2000 and have a customized menu setup for all the various legal documents/pleadings I use everyday, with various sub-menus for motions, notices, orders, objections and so forth as well as documents used solely within our office. It works off of one menu button with a number of items, each of which opens onto several cascading sub-menus of individual documents (most all of which are merge documents, if that matters). It's ridiculously easy to use: 1. click the menu button 2. mouse-over to what you want to open 3. click that document name. For me to use your product, and recommend it to the rest of the firm (since I'm the one who sets all this stuff up on individual machines), I need to be able to add/remove individual items as necessary. A speedy response would be GREATLY welcome, as I'd rather not *have* to add Office 2000 on our pre-installed Office 2007 machines. Thanks for your time. -- Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* |
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Let's get down to the truth.
Microsoft knew this was going to be a BIG problem with their installed user base. All their efforts to play this change up validate that assumption. However, Microsoft has a huge incentive to force the userbase to use the ribbon. They have legal protection on the ribbon desgin and are in fact licensing it to other companies. If they get all Office users to adapt to this new format, there is a huge payoff for Microsoft. They don't really care about how easy the program is for you to use. They care about their stock options! My two cents. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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LegalBear:
Put your custom menu on a custom Toolbar in Word 2000. Attach the toolbar to a document, any doument, and save it. Open the document in Word 2007 and your custom toolbar that includes your custom menu will appear on the Add-Ins tab of the ribbon. Right-click on the custom toolbar and choose to add it to the Quick Access Toolbar. Now you will have easy access to it 100% of the time in all documents. If you have several custom toolbars, you can add the entire Custom Toolbars group to the QAT for nested access. The ribbon will improve your productivity so much that it pays for itself in the first month. I will be playing golf this afternoon while the rest of you are still fooling around creating documents with the old toolbar interface.The ribbon is a far better approach, much better organized, and easier to use. HTH, =Mac= "Legalbear" wrote: This is addressed to the folks who have created the 3rd-party add-ins to restore the menu/toolbar functionality of Word 2000/2003. Does your add-in allow for the creation of custom menus?? I'm currently using Word 2000 and have a customized menu setup for all the various legal documents/pleadings I use everyday, with various sub-menus for motions, notices, orders, objections and so forth as well as documents used solely within our office. It works off of one menu button with a number of items, each of which opens onto several cascading sub-menus of individual documents (most all of which are merge documents, if that matters). It's ridiculously easy to use: 1. click the menu button 2. mouse-over to what you want to open 3. click that document name. For me to use your product, and recommend it to the rest of the firm (since I'm the one who sets all this stuff up on individual machines), I need to be able to add/remove individual items as necessary. A speedy response would be GREATLY welcome, as I'd rather not *have* to add Office 2000 on our pre-installed Office 2007 machines. Thanks for your time. |
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Hey everybody. I found this message board because I am trying to turn ON the
ribbon for Outlook 2007. I've been using the ribbon for Excel 2007 for a couple months now and I like it, but for some reason, when I upgraded it didn't give me the ribbon for Outlook. This makes me think there IS a way to turn it on and off. I've looked everywhere for a way to turn it on, but right now I still have the File, Edit, etc menu's in Outlook 2007 and no ribbon. Help! "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Kim:
Sorry to break your heart, but there is NO RIBBON for the UI in Outlook 2007, except in the message editor. Start a new message or reply to one and you will see the Ribbon. Other than that, the ribbon is NOT part of the Outlook interface. HTH, =Mac= "Kim" wrote: Hey everybody. I found this message board because I am trying to turn ON the ribbon for Outlook 2007. I've been using the ribbon for Excel 2007 for a couple months now and I like it, but for some reason, when I upgraded it didn't give me the ribbon for Outlook. This makes me think there IS a way to turn it on and off. I've looked everywhere for a way to turn it on, but right now I still have the File, Edit, etc menu's in Outlook 2007 and no ribbon. Help! "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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How Do I Turn On the Ribbon
I have Office 07, installed from CD right out of the box. But I have only
the raditional menu bar and tool bar, NOT the Office button and not the Ribbon. I know that this format/view supposedly does not exist in 07, but this is what I have. Any thoughts on how to find/turn on the ribbon? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Thanks for your reply; I also am confounded. Following is what is on my
"About" windos: MSO Outlook 2007 (12.0.6316.5000) SP 1 MSO (12.0.6320.5000) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: It appears that whatever CD was in the box was not Office 2007. Since you have a traditional menu bar, go to Help | About Microsoft Word. What is the version number given? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dave in Chicago" Dave in wrote in message ... I have Office 07, installed from CD right out of the box. But I have only the raditional menu bar and tool bar, NOT the Office button and not the Ribbon. I know that this format/view supposedly does not exist in 07, but this is what I have. Any thoughts on how to find/turn on the ribbon? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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Well, then, that's Outlook, not Word.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dave in Chicago" wrote in message ... Thanks for your reply; I also am confounded. Following is what is on my "About" windos: MSO Outlook 2007 (12.0.6316.5000) SP 1 MSO (12.0.6320.5000) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: It appears that whatever CD was in the box was not Office 2007. Since you have a traditional menu bar, go to Help | About Microsoft Word. What is the version number given? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Dave in Chicago" Dave in wrote in message ... I have Office 07, installed from CD right out of the box. But I have only the raditional menu bar and tool bar, NOT the Office button and not the Ribbon. I know that this format/view supposedly does not exist in 07, but this is what I have. Any thoughts on how to find/turn on the ribbon? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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I am really not interested in learning how to ususe the same commands that I
have always used. This is the second time that MS has done this tom me. I use Office because it is what i know. If I wanted a program that did something different I would go to Lotus or OpenOffice. My brother has been using a new product by AutoDesk that he says is terrible, but is touted as the next great thing. Are view is that if both of your comapies don't produce something else to charge $700 per license every other year, where are your incomes going to come from? I'm not interested in supporting MS. If they cannot come up with somenting that I want, i do not want to pay for it. Does anybody want to trade my MS Office 2007, for some previous version? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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The Arrogance of Microsoft
I agree with you. May be you should at least start warning other people about
M...t products - as I already have. --- "J Walker" wrote: The Arrogance of Microsoft This just shows how little Microsoft actually cares about its customer base. If they had any concern at all they would have included the classic UI, rather than forcing us to purchase it for an additional $29 from some third party. What arrogance! I am so sorry that I upgraded. Ive used Word for just about 20 years now and I am an absolute fool for trusting MS. I should have done more research before buying. Microsoft clearly does not care about its long time customers. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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I have to agree with the other writers. We have installed it on test here and
the interface is horrible. Its now on test 4 month's and its no easier. Why do microsoft change what was the most successful interface in software. There has to be a service pack resoving this or we for one will not be implementing. I will not suffer the annoyance of the users here. -- bmw520 "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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I have to agree with the other writers. We have installed it on test here and
the interface is horrible. Its now on test 4 month's and its no easier. Why do microsoft change what was the most successful interface in software. There has to be a service pack resoving this or we for one will not be implementing. I will not suffer the annoyance of the users here. -- bmw520 "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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On Feb 10, 3:04*am, bmur wrote:
I have to agree with the other writers. We have installed it on test here and the interface is horrible. Its now on test 4 month's and its no easier. Why do microsoft change what was the most successful interface in software. There has to be a service pack resoving this or we for one will not be implementing. I will not suffer the annoyance of the users here. -- bmw520 "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is nooldmenubar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues:http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In:http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog:http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. Yep - it has nearly all been said. My 2 cents worth as a tech writer In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work. The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard. And the default output is docx, yuck. In every version of Word they dumb it down and foul up some good features (eg mail merge and the exact width of table columns were loused up in W2003). The only good thing I found in 2007 is I can customise my paste special to default to unformatted text. Fortunately to create or fix my tables (except where they have highlighted text), or do global changes in headers/footers, and a lot of other issues, I can open the file in OpenOffice without any problems. At least the OO design team seem to listen to the users, they produce a version that fits on my USB drive so wherever I go I have my customizations all set up and they print PDFs automatically in the same page size as the original document - something Adobe don't, and works with real XML. Now if OO would just fit a Shift+F3 toggle and fix a couple of other minor issues, I would be happy ;-) Mi Tasol |
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On Feb 10, 3:04*am, bmur wrote:
I have to agree with the other writers. We have installed it on test here and the interface is horrible. Its now on test 4 month's and its no easier. Why do microsoft change what was the most successful interface in software. There has to be a service pack resoving this or we for one will not be implementing. I will not suffer the annoyance of the users here. -- bmw520 "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is nooldmenubar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues:http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In:http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007:http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog:http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. Yep - it has nearly all been said. My 2 cents worth as a tech writer In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work. The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard. And the default output is docx, yuck. In every version of Word they dumb it down and foul up some good features (eg mail merge and the exact width of table columns were loused up in W2003). The only good thing I found in 2007 is I can customise my paste special to default to unformatted text. Fortunately to create or fix my tables (except where they have highlighted text), or do global changes in headers/footers, and a lot of other issues, I can open the file in OpenOffice without any problems. At least the OO design team seem to listen to the users, they produce a version that fits on my USB drive so wherever I go I have my customizations all set up and they print PDFs automatically in the same page size as the original document - something Adobe don't, and works with real XML. Now if OO would just fit a Shift+F3 toggle and fix a couple of other minor issues, I would be happy ;-) Mi Tasol |
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On Feb 10, 6:35*pm, Mi Tasol wrote:
Yep - it has nearly all been said. *My 2 cents worth as a tech writer In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work. I.e., the QAT. The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard. Not if you minimize the Ribbon (double-click on any of its tabs). And the default output is docx, yuck. Maybe half the size of the same file in .doc format. [snip praise of OO. Maybe it has the features _you_ need, but it's perfectly lousy for what I need to do.] |
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On Feb 10, 6:35*pm, Mi Tasol wrote:
Yep - it has nearly all been said. *My 2 cents worth as a tech writer In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work. I.e., the QAT. The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard. Not if you minimize the Ribbon (double-click on any of its tabs). And the default output is docx, yuck. Maybe half the size of the same file in .doc format. [snip praise of OO. Maybe it has the features _you_ need, but it's perfectly lousy for what I need to do.] |
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And it is still quite possible to set table columns to an exact width.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... On Feb 10, 6:35 pm, Mi Tasol wrote: Yep - it has nearly all been said. My 2 cents worth as a tech writer In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work. I.e., the QAT. The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard. Not if you minimize the Ribbon (double-click on any of its tabs). And the default output is docx, yuck. Maybe half the size of the same file in .doc format. [snip praise of OO. Maybe it has the features _you_ need, but it's perfectly lousy for what I need to do.] |
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And it is still quite possible to set table columns to an exact width.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... On Feb 10, 6:35 pm, Mi Tasol wrote: Yep - it has nearly all been said. My 2 cents worth as a tech writer In Word 2003 I have edited all the tool bars down to what I need and the lot, including track changes, drawing bar and some spare room, all fit in one narrow bar leaving the maximum real estate for work. I.e., the QAT. The ribbon means I loose work space and have to put up with a lot of garbage that I never want to see as I do the tasks with my keyboard. Not if you minimize the Ribbon (double-click on any of its tabs). And the default output is docx, yuck. Maybe half the size of the same file in .doc format. [snip praise of OO. Maybe it has the features _you_ need, but it's perfectly lousy for what I need to do.] |
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I have used the ribbon interface for over a year and I still cannot recommend
it to anyone. Users cannot customize menus without a huge learning curve. MS was unable to organize menus logically what makes you think you can arrange pictograms any better? How bout giving the user a choice bbetween the conventional, tried and true interface and the new, useless one world pictogram interface? It is worse than ridiculous, it is certainly conceived by an elitist that knows better than all of us users. It has been 3 years now, how are those adoption numbers now? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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I have used the ribbon interface for over a year and I still cannot recommend
it to anyone. Users cannot customize menus without a huge learning curve. MS was unable to organize menus logically what makes you think you can arrange pictograms any better? How bout giving the user a choice bbetween the conventional, tried and true interface and the new, useless one world pictogram interface? It is worse than ridiculous, it is certainly conceived by an elitist that knows better than all of us users. It has been 3 years now, how are those adoption numbers now? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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In the user interface, you cannot modify the ribbon in Word 2007. You'll
need Patrick Schmid's ribbon customizer at http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer (the link is actually included in an earlier message in this thread). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "David C. Wood" David C. wrote in message ... I have used the ribbon interface for over a year and I still cannot recommend it to anyone. Users cannot customize menus without a huge learning curve. MS was unable to organize menus logically what makes you think you can arrange pictograms any better? How bout giving the user a choice bbetween the conventional, tried and true interface and the new, useless one world pictogram interface? It is worse than ridiculous, it is certainly conceived by an elitist that knows better than all of us users. It has been 3 years now, how are those adoption numbers now? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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In the user interface, you cannot modify the ribbon in Word 2007. You'll
need Patrick Schmid's ribbon customizer at http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer (the link is actually included in an earlier message in this thread). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "David C. Wood" David C. wrote in message ... I have used the ribbon interface for over a year and I still cannot recommend it to anyone. Users cannot customize menus without a huge learning curve. MS was unable to organize menus logically what makes you think you can arrange pictograms any better? How bout giving the user a choice bbetween the conventional, tried and true interface and the new, useless one world pictogram interface? It is worse than ridiculous, it is certainly conceived by an elitist that knows better than all of us users. It has been 3 years now, how are those adoption numbers now? "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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What I would like to know is if MS is still gathering statistics, what do
they look like? Is there any noticeable improvement in efficiency? Have users started to use more advanced features? Do the average users still enter a [Return] at the end of each line. Do more users paginate? Do user use Styles to structure the appearance of their documents or do they still use [Space] and [Tab] to change the appearance? Are more users using watermarks, inserting graphics or OLE objects? Questionable Statistics are a result of selecting to use only certain data sets that support the preconceived opinion or structuring the questions to give the desired results. David C. Wood "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? Yes, I am more productive and faster. I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. Hmm, I see. Yes, that kind of scenario isn't supported. Ironically, I make an add-in that could be used to get the old menu/toolbar system somewhat back... Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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What I would like to know is if MS is still gathering statistics, what do
they look like? Is there any noticeable improvement in efficiency? Have users started to use more advanced features? Do the average users still enter a [Return] at the end of each line. Do more users paginate? Do user use Styles to structure the appearance of their documents or do they still use [Space] and [Tab] to change the appearance? Are more users using watermarks, inserting graphics or OLE objects? Questionable Statistics are a result of selecting to use only certain data sets that support the preconceived opinion or structuring the questions to give the desired results. David C. Wood "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: I kind of expect your answer, but here it goes: Are you more productive with the new menu system? Are you faster? Did you time yourself? I know why they dumb down the interface, but why do they have to drag the install base (at least 80% of the users of PC's) with them? Yes, I am more productive and faster. I know the alt keys are in place, but it doesn't work the same. If I hit Alt-E and enter, it does nothing. In 2003, it would undo. That isn't being picky. I have been using Word, happily, since the first windows version. Hmm, I see. Yes, that kind of scenario isn't supported. Ironically, I make an add-in that could be used to get the old menu/toolbar system somewhat back... Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: Some of us are still keyboard-centric (we enter/create vs. access data). Having to pick up the mouse every time to access what we see is painful at best. The ribbon is fully accessible via the keyboard. Press and release Alt to get started. In addition, all menu shortcuts (Alt+ something) that you have in 2003 work in 2007 as well. So if you know your keyboard shortcuts by hard, just keep using them. You should give the ribbon a chance. It is a monumental change and you really can only make a good call after having used it for a while (after all, you need to overcome its unfamiliarity). Also, I suggest you find a typical user in your organization and have them try it as well. Experience shows that the users most struggling with the ribbon are power users, because they know where their features are in the menu/toolbar system, while beginner/intermediate users often times end up hunting for a feature. Most corporate users are not power users, but the people making the decision on whether to roll 2007 out or not generally are. That is bound to give them a somewhat skewed view on what the real impact and training needs in the organization will be. I think 2007 requires a much different training approach than previous Office version. Different in that the users requiring the most training are the ones who required the least for earlier versions (power users). As I said already, force yourself to use it exclusively and see how you feel about a week or two from now (if it's any indication, it took me a month during the beta to feel familiar with the ribbon and not wanting to go back to menus/toolbars). There is a lot of things somewhat hidden that will make your life easier using it. Anything surrounding customization: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/18/68 (this basically lists anything you can adjust to your personal liking) Then I would suggest to take a closer look by starting from this post: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/10/09/58 You probably want to look at the sections "Overview of the new UI", "Ribbon UI Elements" and "Keyboard control of the Ribbon". A lot of the things categorized in this post are extremely worthwhile reading though. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed I was a beta tester for 95. I was in the cheering section for Office XP, expecially Outlook, and I wouldn't buy Office 2007 personally or recommend it to anyone who has ever used a computer. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Adoption of any new Office version is always slow in corporate America, which has considerable investment in training custom solutions for a given version, not to mention the software itself. But MS claims that reception of the new version is good. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Tom B" wrote in message ... Then that alone close any implementation plans for office 2007. If a number of companies follow the same path as ours then the low rate corporate acceptance will encourage development of an application that has an acceptable ROI. Thanks for the reply and we look forward to the service pack "Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote: There is no old menu bar in Office 2007. Your employees will have to learn the Ribbon UI if you upgrade to 2007. Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP] -------------- http://pschmid.net *** Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80 Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR): http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43 *** Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize RibbonCustomizer Add-In: http://pschmid.net/office2007/ribboncustomizer OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote *** Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed "Tom B" wrote in message : How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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I've been a worprocessor using MS word for 18 years and have recently
upgraded from 2003 to 2007. I found that I could create a toolbar that resembles the toolbars in 2003, then hide the ribbons and cruise right along. The upgrade to 2007 really isn't that difficult to learn. The engineers, chemists, and geologist that i work for have managed to pick it it pretty quickly, so anyone used to using word should have no problems. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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I've been a worprocessor using MS word for 18 years and have recently
upgraded from 2003 to 2007. I found that I could create a toolbar that resembles the toolbars in 2003, then hide the ribbons and cruise right along. The upgrade to 2007 really isn't that difficult to learn. The engineers, chemists, and geologist that i work for have managed to pick it it pretty quickly, so anyone used to using word should have no problems. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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There is a toolbar left in Word 2007; that is true: the Quick Access
Toolbar. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "PatinFC" wrote in message ... I've been a worprocessor using MS word for 18 years and have recently upgraded from 2003 to 2007. I found that I could create a toolbar that resembles the toolbars in 2003, then hide the ribbons and cruise right along. The upgrade to 2007 really isn't that difficult to learn. The engineers, chemists, and geologist that i work for have managed to pick it it pretty quickly, so anyone used to using word should have no problems. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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There is a toolbar left in Word 2007; that is true: the Quick Access
Toolbar. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "PatinFC" wrote in message ... I've been a worprocessor using MS word for 18 years and have recently upgraded from 2003 to 2007. I found that I could create a toolbar that resembles the toolbars in 2003, then hide the ribbons and cruise right along. The upgrade to 2007 really isn't that difficult to learn. The engineers, chemists, and geologist that i work for have managed to pick it it pretty quickly, so anyone used to using word should have no problems. "Tom B" wrote: How do we turn on the old menu bar in word 2007? Without it office 2007 will cost far to much to implement because employee's will need to be retrained. |
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