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Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes in.
Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Word doesn't format using codes - it is a style based application. If you
want codes to reveal, stick to Word Perfect. If you want to use Word you'll have to forget all about the way you worked in WP and learn how to use a style based application. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Rachel King wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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As a previous Word Perfect user, I also loved reveal codes. As an instructor
I was forced to cross over to Word. I did it kicking and screaming. And now, I wouldn't go back. I remember how difficult it was teaching reveal codes. Actually finding and correcting problems in Word is much easier. "Graham Mayor" wrote: Word doesn't format using codes - it is a style based application. If you want codes to reveal, stick to Word Perfect. If you want to use Word you'll have to forget all about the way you worked in WP and learn how to use a style based application. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Rachel King wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word:
Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each program's methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. If you are unwilling to take the time to learn to use Word's methods, you should stick to using Word Pad. You'll have a lot less grief, although you'll miss out on a lot of raw power. In the (short) long term spending the time to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word. See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm http://businesssoft.about.com/comput.../blconvert.htm for information on Word for Word Perfect users. For mo http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm Function Keys In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this. Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys() Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True End Sub Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing. Formatting and Styles Learn about Styles - really learn! http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now regret every day of those years because although that string was still very hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you just thought you did. Converting documents Word / Word Perfect Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas. This was prepared by Edward Mendelson. Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396 Use these on _copies_! As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word, don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term. They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the following process: In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as text files. Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your formatting to look. Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using styles, not direct formatting. Save it again. To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This will create a new document for you. Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word data file. Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing documents vs. using templates.) Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000 installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case. Boilerplate and Forms In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not macros. Follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more information on these tools. You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For some form documents, Word's "online forms" work very well. For more about online forms, follow the links at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian Chapman's series of articles. Reusing Documents vs. Using templates General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing "metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents. It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Rachel King" Rachel wrote in message ... Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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If I didn't know that *I* didn't write what you just did...I'd think I
did!g Those would all be my exact works...you even swiped my "kicking and screaming" mantra!wink & smirk Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:05:46 -0700, Hague2 wrote: As a previous Word Perfect user, I also loved reveal codes. As an instructor I was forced to cross over to Word. I did it kicking and screaming. And now, I wouldn't go back. I remember how difficult it was teaching reveal codes. Actually finding and correcting problems in Word is much easier. |
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Yes to all of the replies.
PLUS, toggle on the "Show/Hide ¶" button. It will reveal much and make formatting easier. Gordo "Charles Kenyon" wrote in message ... Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word: Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each program's methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. If you are unwilling to take the time to learn to use Word's methods, you should stick to using Word Pad. You'll have a lot less grief, although you'll miss out on a lot of raw power. In the (short) long term spending the time to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word. See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm http://businesssoft.about.com/comput.../blconvert.htm for information on Word for Word Perfect users. For mo http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm Function Keys In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this. Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys() Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True End Sub Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing. Formatting and Styles Learn about Styles - really learn! http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now regret every day of those years because although that string was still very hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you just thought you did. Converting documents Word / Word Perfect Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas. This was prepared by Edward Mendelson. Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396 Use these on _copies_! As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word, don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term. They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the following process: In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as text files. Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your formatting to look. Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using styles, not direct formatting. Save it again. To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This will create a new document for you. Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word data file. Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing documents vs. using templates.) Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000 installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case. Boilerplate and Forms In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not macros. Follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more information on these tools. You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For some form documents, Word's "online forms" work very well. For more about online forms, follow the links at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian Chapman's series of articles. Reusing Documents vs. Using templates General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing "metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents. It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Rachel King" Rachel wrote in message ... Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Dear Rachel
I am six months late, and this is an older question but... There is or was some software - a Word macro I think - that showed reveal codes. I found it crashed my Japanese system but it did show codes and it did allow one to make changes that were not otherwise possible using the word GUI. The software was called "back door" or "back office" or "back window" or something using "back" but I can't seem to find it. It was shareware. I am not trying to sell it. I did not purchase it myself. Now that I am having a bit of a problem with word I would like to see into my document however, so if anyone knows the software I am talking about please let me know. Tim |
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I think the application you are looking for is 'Cross Eyes for Word'
http://www.levitjames.com/. However, unlike Word Perfect, Word does not format with codes, but uses styles, so frankly I do not see how this is going to help. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org timtak wrote: Dear Rachel I am six months late, and this is an older question but... There is or was some software - a Word macro I think - that showed reveal codes. I found it crashed my Japanese system but it did show codes and it did allow one to make changes that were not otherwise possible using the word GUI. The software was called "back door" or "back office" or "back window" or something using "back" but I can't seem to find it. It was shareware. I am not trying to sell it. I did not purchase it myself. Now that I am having a bit of a problem with word I would like to see into my document however, so if anyone knows the software I am talking about please let me know. Tim |
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Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes
Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For
example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP and works differently. Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes
Word is a style based application. Every paragraph of the document is
formatted with a particular style. If you format your document with suitable styles and avoid direct formatting, then the formatting of the current paragraph is indicated by the style associated with that paragraph. There are no reveal codes in Word, because Word doesn't use them. If you are concerned about manual formatting, then select the text and press CTRL+SPACE which will force the text to revert to the underlying style - or paragraph formatting CTRL+Q will revert to the original paragraph format. You don't have to see how it is formatted, the style defines that. If you cannot discern whether a comma is italicised or not by looking at it, then neither can anyone else, but whether it is or not will be indicated by the formatting of the style in which it sits. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org ALeiS wrote: Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP and works differently. Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes
I assume that by "ALL the text formatting at the same time" you mean for a
certain selected character or for selected text. Open the Reveal Formatting Task Pane. Select the text you want to check. All the formatting attributes are shown in the task pane. If you need to be sure, remember to "Select, Then Do". Select all the text you want certain formatting for and then just apply the formatting. Gordo "ALeiS" wrote in message ... Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP and works differently. Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the
formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is italicized - If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as Graham suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be necessary to check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters simply don't get left out of the process. If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the button. If *any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style will reformat the selected content completely. I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many people in a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been forced to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool, but it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of *different* On another level, I sincerely hope that Ok genious, wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering there time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible. Don't take your anger & resentment out on them. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article , "ALeiS" wrote: Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP and works differently. Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Taz, et al.:
Selecting the phrase and looking at the "button" . . . that's exactly the problem. It takes a lot longer to click on each word or each comma one at a time to check the formatting. I am in one of many professions where it is necessary to check these things. It is common to judge someone's academic or legal abilities by something as anal as whether the person used the correct citation format. In legal (and academic) citations a document name is often italicized, but the comma at the end of the document name is NOT italicized. I did not create this system ("Bluebook"); Harvard professors did. Unfortunately, I am stuck using Bluebook just like I am stuck using Word for some things. Learnining to use "styles" will not make checking formats any easier because you'd have to have a different "style" for every piece of the citation. The italicized document or case name would have one style, but the document's location (including the comma attached to the last word of the case name) would have a different style, which may have a different format from the case or publilcation date. Citation is all about italicizing and unitalicizing and applying smallcapps every couple characters. Because you can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check everything. Also, Word tends to apply the same formatting to an entire word, so I doubt the "style" feature is even compatible for my purposes-the reason I don't plan to spend much time learning to use it. Responding to another comment: YES, there are a lot of people who CAN tell whether a comma is italicized just by looking at it. It is these people who decide or at least influence whether an article gets published or whether a court accepts an appeal-something that can affect a client's money, custody of their children, whether or for how long they go to prison, and, in rare cases, whether they live or die. I don't expect you to understand, but trust me, the citations have to be perfect because even a few mistakes damage the writer's credibility--and damaged credibility means diminished persuasive effect. The way the Word program is written makes checking these things a lot more difficult than it needs to be. Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the "Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no understanding of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word equivalent of 'reveal codes.' Some other silly anal things article editors and judicial clerks care about are whether a line break inappropriately splits up citations containing hyphens and section symbols, and whether a writer uses the correct number of spaces between words and sentences. (The ability to spot extra or missing spaces seems to be even more prevelant than the ability to spot inappropriately italicized commas.) "Life after Reveal Codes" doesn't even suggest the partial fix of clicking on the 'paragraph' symbol (shortcut Ctrl* a/k/a Ctrl+Shift+8) to toggle "reveal non-printing characters," which displays a little "dot" for every space so you can easily spot extra or omitted spaces. A Word user who doesn't know about "reveal non-printing characters" must arrow through a character at a time to check for the correct number of spaces. As for keeping characters together, "reveal non-printing characters" helpfully displays symbols for non-breaking spaces and hyphens (a/k/a "hard space" and "hyphen character" to WP users-Microsoft does get points for picking the more intuitive name). Before I found out about "reveal..." I actually checked this by inserting dummy text to force a citation to the end of a line to see if the statute number stayed together despite the hyphen or space after the section symbol. The only other alternative was to manually fix inappropriately "split" text during the final proofread-when I needed to be concentrating on other issues. Thanks to all for confirming my suspicions that it just can't be done in Word. And I do appreciate everyone trying to help. Unfortunately, no one seems to fully appreciate the real issue; as a result these postings are all just regurgitations of what others have already posted. Thanks anyway. "CyberTaz" wrote: Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is italicized - If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as Graham suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be necessary to check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters simply don't get left out of the process. If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the button. If *any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style will reformat the selected content completely. I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many people in a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been forced to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool, but it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of *different* On another level, I sincerely hope that Ok genious, wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering there time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible. Don't take your anger & resentment out on them. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article , "ALeiS" wrote: Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP and works differently. Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Because you can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check everything When you have the Styles and Formatting Task Pane showing, the currently selected text style will be shown near the top in a box titled: Formatting of selected text. Hover over this box to show the drop down arrow. Click the down arrow and select the "Select all nnn instance(s)" to "reveal" every instance of the same format as shown by the selection highlights. This may not show all the time but it does provide a way of seeing all the text with the same style. Is this what you were referring to in the above sentence? Gordo |
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I don't expect to change your mind about Word & won't even endeavor to do
so, other than to point out that there are myriad features within the program of which you seem to be unaware and unwilling to learn. It's your prerogative to do so, just remember that the first word in your original post was "Help." That's what the people here are trying to do. With reference to that there are a few comments in-line below: On 8/18/07 7:42 PM, in article , "ALeiS" wrote: snip Responding to another comment: YES, there are a lot of people who CAN tell whether a comma is italicized just by looking at it. It is these people who decide or at least influence whether an article gets published or whether a court accepts an appeal-something that can affect a client's money, custody of their children, whether or for how long they go to prison, and, in rare cases, whether they live or die. I don't expect you to understand, but trust me, the citations have to be perfect because even a few mistakes damage the writer's credibility--and damaged credibility means diminished persuasive effect. The way the Word program is written makes checking these things a lot more difficult than it needs to be. It is a sad and frightening indictment of the legal system & the people within it if italicized commas are pivotal in determining the outcome in any of these issues, let alone the life or death of a human being. I was always under the impression that the time crunch in the legal arena was due to case load rather than time being spent examining commas through a magnifying glass. Perhaps the system & its cadre should be under even more intense scrutiny than the paperwork they shuffle. Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the "Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no understanding of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word equivalent of 'reveal codes.' Yes, I've read it several times. Further, as a 12-year user & trainer of WordPerfect (including the Legal Office version) I drew none of the same conclusions about the article or its author. All that notwithstanding, the individual who referred you to the article *isn't* the one who wrote it - your sarcasm was directed toward Dian. Thanks to all for confirming my suspicions that it just can't be done in Word. And I do appreciate everyone trying to help. Unfortunately, no one seems to fully appreciate the real issue; as a result these postings are all just regurgitations of what others have already posted. The only suspicions which have been confirmed are that some people refuse to learn how to get it done and choose to snipe at and dismiss those who offer assistance. Before slinging more accusations alleging "condescending tone" you might re-read the last sentence in the above quote - as well as a number of others throughout your posts. Your insinuation & innuendo that the contributors to this forum are any less demanding or conscientious about their work than those in "your profession" are overly abundant, and to further suggest that they are unable to "appreciate the real issue" is at once offensive and insulting. Thanks anyway. snip You're most certainly welcome [he replied with an equal flavoring of dismissive, off-handed insincerity]. -- Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac "CyberTaz" wrote: Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is italicized - If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as Graham suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be necessary to check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters simply don't get left out of the process. If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the button. If *any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style will reformat the selected content completely. I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many people in a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been forced to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool, but it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of *different* On another level, I sincerely hope that Ok genious, wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering there time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible. Don't take your anger & resentment out on them. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article , "ALeiS" wrote: Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP and works differently. Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who are
merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give you another chance. ;-) If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too. Here's a link if interested: http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "ALeiS" wrote in message ... Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm |
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Thank you, thank you, Gordo.
Finally, something that will be useful. If I click on "select all [n] instances" of the style Word has named "Bold" (which really seems to mean 'Default font and size + Bold' and no other attribute) it will highlight all text that is "bold" (and only bold-it won't show text that is bold+italics or bold but not in the default font and font size). It would still be way more efficient to have something that shows all the text with indicators of how the text is formatted (i.e. focusing on the text rather than the style). But this "select all [n]" feature shows more than a character or a word at a time-at least for the formatting I have asked the style window to focus on. Gordo, you seem to intuitively recognize that this is really a display issue and has little to do with whether formatted text is a string of "code" or a "container" full of characters. The Word program definitely knows what all the formatting is, but it is set up to only show the user little pieces at a time. Your suggested fix allows the user to at least see some bigger pieces which will make a positive difference. [I get the impression that many of these forum members are programmers. To help them understand: could you imagine trying to find a mistake in a program if you could only look at one character of code at a time? I bet it would drive you nuts; wouldn't you want everything visible at once so you could find what the problem was?] More help for my fellow reluctant Word converts: If you set it to show only "Formatting in use" (pull-down menu at the bottom of the "Styles and Formatting" window), then it will only show the formatting you have actually used and not an overwhelming list of "Body 1" and "Header 2" etc. You can still directly format your text using shortcuts (Ctrl+b, etc.) or clicking on the little icons on the toolbar if you're a mouse-oriented person; you don't have to use the style window to actually format anything. And you don't have to dump any time into creating "styles" for the formats you want to use because Word has already defined them. You CAN still have direct control of your document and not be a slave to a program that tries to think for you and consistently misinterprets whatever it is you are trying to accomplish. A small limitation is that every added attribute will trigger a distinguishable style name. "Bold" is a different "style" from "Arial, Bold" "13 pt, Bold" and "Bold, Left: 0.5" ([default font and size] bold and intented half an inch at the left margin). This is not ideal when compared to a system that is attribute-focused and clearly shows where each independent attribute starts and ends-but it is better than nothing. Also, the style formatting window does not appear to display things having to do with page margins or tab stops (and probably other things I haven't noticed yet), though it does display justification (centering, etc.). A warning: be sure to click on the pull-down menu (downward-pointing arrow) for whatever style you want to highlight. If you click on the style name itself then it will actually apply that formatting to text in your document. If no text is highlighted, it will sometimes reformat a single word and sometimes the entire paragraph-I haven't figured out why that is. You can also RIGHT-click anywhere on the style name to get the pull-down menu so you don't have to aim directly at the pull-down arrow. A potentially useful trick: you can scan the list of formats ("styles") in use and if you see something like "Arial, Bold" and your document is supposed to be all Times New Roman, then you can use "select all [n] instances" to go directly to the incorrectly formatted text [remember to right-click or hit the pull-down menu and not the style name itself] and fix it. Best of luck to all. "gordo" wrote: Because you can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check everything When you have the Styles and Formatting Task Pane showing, the currently selected text style will be shown near the top in a box titled: Formatting of selected text. Hover over this box to show the drop down arrow. Click the down arrow and select the "Select all nnn instance(s)" to "reveal" every instance of the same format as shown by the selection highlights. This may not show all the time but it does provide a way of seeing all the text with the same style. Is this what you were referring to in the above sentence? Gordo |
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Now that you've provided some additional details of the issues you are
trying to deal with, specific examples always help!), we have more information to go on. :-) There are other methods you could use to accomplish the tasks you face, and perhaps accomplish them faster than you were doing before. Regardless of the program you are using, it sounds like you must "eyeball" every comma in some fashion, whether it's using reveal codes in WP or not. Now, if I were you, I'd utilize Find for these tasks and make Word be my "eyeballs".;-) For example, you can use Find to locate every comma with the italic format. If you use Word 2007 you can use the new Reading Highlight feature in Find which will highlight every comma that has the italic format (or whatever your search string might be). If you don't have Word 2007, you can still highlight those areas that need to be checked using Find/Replace - you just need to specify you want to replace the found text with highlighting. To take it one step further, if every comma should not be italicized then I'd use Find/Replace and find every comma with the italic format and replace them with one that isn't italicized. That way the document could be cleaned up in a few clicks. Even better, if you have several "typical" scenarios that you look for, as you noted two spaces instead of one, then you can automate these tasks, simply by using the Macro Recorder - no programming knowledge necessary, and reduce the work done to a few clicks of the mouse. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "ALeiS" wrote in message news Taz, et al.: Selecting the phrase and looking at the "button" . . . that's exactly the problem. It takes a lot longer to click on each word or each comma one at a time to check the formatting. I am in one of many professions where it is necessary to check these things. It is common to judge someone's academic or legal abilities by something as anal as whether the person used the correct citation format. In legal (and academic) citations a document name is often italicized, but the comma at the end of the document name is NOT italicized. I did not create this system ("Bluebook"); Harvard professors did. Unfortunately, I am stuck using Bluebook just like I am stuck using Word for some things. Learnining to use "styles" will not make checking formats any easier because you'd have to have a different "style" for every piece of the citation. The italicized document or case name would have one style, but the document's location (including the comma attached to the last word of the case name) would have a different style, which may have a different format from the case or publilcation date. Citation is all about italicizing and unitalicizing and applying smallcapps every couple characters. Because you can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check everything. Also, Word tends to apply the same formatting to an entire word, so I doubt the "style" feature is even compatible for my purposes-the reason I don't plan to spend much time learning to use it. Responding to another comment: YES, there are a lot of people who CAN tell whether a comma is italicized just by looking at it. It is these people who decide or at least influence whether an article gets published or whether a court accepts an appeal-something that can affect a client's money, custody of their children, whether or for how long they go to prison, and, in rare cases, whether they live or die. I don't expect you to understand, but trust me, the citations have to be perfect because even a few mistakes damage the writer's credibility--and damaged credibility means diminished persuasive effect. The way the Word program is written makes checking these things a lot more difficult than it needs to be. Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the "Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no understanding of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word equivalent of 'reveal codes.' Some other silly anal things article editors and judicial clerks care about are whether a line break inappropriately splits up citations containing hyphens and section symbols, and whether a writer uses the correct number of spaces between words and sentences. (The ability to spot extra or missing spaces seems to be even more prevelant than the ability to spot inappropriately italicized commas.) "Life after Reveal Codes" doesn't even suggest the partial fix of clicking on the 'paragraph' symbol (shortcut Ctrl* a/k/a Ctrl+Shift+8) to toggle "reveal non-printing characters," which displays a little "dot" for every space so you can easily spot extra or omitted spaces. A Word user who doesn't know about "reveal non-printing characters" must arrow through a character at a time to check for the correct number of spaces. As for keeping characters together, "reveal non-printing characters" helpfully displays symbols for non-breaking spaces and hyphens (a/k/a "hard space" and "hyphen character" to WP users-Microsoft does get points for picking the more intuitive name). Before I found out about "reveal..." I actually checked this by inserting dummy text to force a citation to the end of a line to see if the statute number stayed together despite the hyphen or space after the section symbol. The only other alternative was to manually fix inappropriately "split" text during the final proofread-when I needed to be concentrating on other issues. Thanks to all for confirming my suspicions that it just can't be done in Word. And I do appreciate everyone trying to help. Unfortunately, no one seems to fully appreciate the real issue; as a result these postings are all just regurgitations of what others have already posted. Thanks anyway. "CyberTaz" wrote: Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is italicized - If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as Graham suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be necessary to check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters simply don't get left out of the process. If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the button. If *any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style will reformat the selected content completely. I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many people in a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been forced to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool, but it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of *different* On another level, I sincerely hope that Ok genious, wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering there time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible. Don't take your anger & resentment out on them. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article , "ALeiS" wrote: Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP and works differently. Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Thank you for the info-I will probably try this add-in.
I searched for "macro reader" in Word Help and all I got was the standard stuff on how to record and play macros. (I do know about macros; I use them in both Word and WP. I like keyboard shortcuts; it is a lot easier to record a macro and assign a shortcut than use the mouse to hunt for commands in the menus or on the toolbar icons. It's just not efficient to keep moving my hands from the keyboard to the mouse. . . Sorry for the tangent.) Anyway, I am not sure what you meant by the 'macro reader' comment. I suspect, though, that if your suggestion has anything to do with Word auto-finding or auto-replacing two spaces for every sentence, that it will actually take more time. I haven't met a word processor yet that can consistently tell the difference between an abbreviation and the end of a sentence-too many false alarms. Typically, I check spaces at the same time I do all my other editing (and I can do at least that now with the 'reveal nonprinting...' feature. In fact, I prefer to do all my editing in the same order the text goes, not a task or a "style" at a time, which is why I will probably spring for the add-in program you suggested (once I have a few spare minutes to check into it some more). Perhaps you meant something else about the macro thing. If so, feel free to clarify. Thanks. "Beth Melton" wrote: I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who are merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give you another chance. ;-) If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too. Here's a link if interested: http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "ALeiS" wrote in message ... Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm |
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I understand completely about using keyboard shortcuts. When I switched from
keyboard driven applications (DOS, such as WP 5 and Lotus) to a Macintosh and a mouse I suspect it was years before I reached the same level of efficiency, or at least felt like I did. My other suggestions weren't necessarily auto-finding and replacing. While you may have some need for this I was leaning more towards having Word highlight (such as in yellow or green) those areas you need to take a closer look at. For example highlight every occurrence of an italicized comma or double spaces, which might make things faster regardless of the application you are using since it would eliminate the need to scrutinize every comma. I've used this method in the past for similar situations and bright yellow is definitely easy to spot and I have found this method does catch things better than I can - I invariably miss something on occasion. I did note that you prefer to work through the text so this may not work for you. BUT, you never know so here's a quick example if interested (or perhaps you could use this type of method as a final check to make sure you did catch everything since the type of work you do is crucial): - On the Formatting toolbar click the arrow next to the Text Highlight button and select a highlight color. Press Esc to turn the Highlighter off. (The last color you select for the Highlight will be the color applied in the following steps.) - Press F5 to open Find - Click the Replace tab - Click the More button at the bottom - In the Find What text box type a comma - Click the Format button at the bottom, select Font, click Italic, and then click OK - Place the insertion point in the Replace text box, click the Special button, and then click "Find What Text" (you should see ^& in the text box) - With the insertion point still in the Replace text box, click the Format button and then click Highlight - Click Replace All The result is only those commas that also have the Italic format applied are highlighted. To remove the Highlight, if you have no other highlighted areas in your document, select all (Ctrl+A), click the arrow next to the Text Highlight button and then click None. It's this type of task you could record using the Macro Recorder (I'm not sure where "Macro reader" came from??) and assign a keyboard shortcut to in order to automate the process. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "ALeiS" wrote in message ... Thank you for the info-I will probably try this add-in. I searched for "macro reader" in Word Help and all I got was the standard stuff on how to record and play macros. (I do know about macros; I use them in both Word and WP. I like keyboard shortcuts; it is a lot easier to record a macro and assign a shortcut than use the mouse to hunt for commands in the menus or on the toolbar icons. It's just not efficient to keep moving my hands from the keyboard to the mouse. . . Sorry for the tangent.) Anyway, I am not sure what you meant by the 'macro reader' comment. I suspect, though, that if your suggestion has anything to do with Word auto-finding or auto-replacing two spaces for every sentence, that it will actually take more time. I haven't met a word processor yet that can consistently tell the difference between an abbreviation and the end of a sentence-too many false alarms. Typically, I check spaces at the same time I do all my other editing (and I can do at least that now with the 'reveal nonprinting...' feature. In fact, I prefer to do all my editing in the same order the text goes, not a task or a "style" at a time, which is why I will probably spring for the add-in program you suggested (once I have a few spare minutes to check into it some more). Perhaps you meant something else about the macro thing. If so, feel free to clarify. Thanks. "Beth Melton" wrote: I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who are merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give you another chance. ;-) If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too. Here's a link if interested: http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "ALeiS" wrote in message ... Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm |
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Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the
"Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no understanding of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word equivalent of 'reveal codes.' I am the author of the article. I used WordPerfect for many years and there are many WP features I still occasionally miss, but Reveal Codes is rarely one of them; I found the inline codes usually more troublesome than helpful, especially when they were reduplicated many times. As a copy editor and typesetter, I do have to be anal about whether or not commas are italicized, though in mainstream publishing the convention is to italicize a comma following an italicized word rather than the reverse. Note that if you double-click to select a word to italicize, Word will italicize a space after it but *not* any punctuation; that makes my job harder but yours easier. FWIW, I have reread this article and fail to find any trace of condescension, but I suppose that must be in the eyes of the beholder. "Life after Reveal Codes" doesn't even suggest the partial fix of clicking on the 'paragraph' symbol (shortcut Ctrl* a/k/a Ctrl+Shift+8) to toggle "reveal non-printing characters," which displays a little "dot" for every space so you can easily spot extra or omitted spaces. I guess you must not have given up on the article too soon because item #1 (yes, that's right, the very first point) says: €œThe most important one is display of nonprinting characters. The Show/Hide ¶ button on the Standard toolbar toggles this display on and off. €œThe meaning of each of the nonprinting characters (or 'formatting marks,' as they are known in Word 2000 and 2002), is explained in €˜What do all those funny marks, like the dots between the words in my document, and the square bullets in the left margin, mean? With these symbols displayed, it is much easier to find out that, for example, your document is printing an extra blank page because you have half a dozen empty paragraphs at the end.€ The referenced (linked) article is an exhaustive discussion of the meaning of all the nonprinting characters. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "ALeiS" wrote in message news Taz, et al.: Selecting the phrase and looking at the "button" . . . that's exactly the problem. It takes a lot longer to click on each word or each comma one at a time to check the formatting. I am in one of many professions where it is necessary to check these things. It is common to judge someone's academic or legal abilities by something as anal as whether the person used the correct citation format. In legal (and academic) citations a document name is often italicized, but the comma at the end of the document name is NOT italicized. I did not create this system ("Bluebook"); Harvard professors did. Unfortunately, I am stuck using Bluebook just like I am stuck using Word for some things. Learnining to use "styles" will not make checking formats any easier because you'd have to have a different "style" for every piece of the citation. The italicized document or case name would have one style, but the document's location (including the comma attached to the last word of the case name) would have a different style, which may have a different format from the case or publilcation date. Citation is all about italicizing and unitalicizing and applying smallcapps every couple characters. Because you can't see a list of all the text with applicable "styles" all at the same time, you would have to scroll through a letter at a time to check everything. Also, Word tends to apply the same formatting to an entire word, so I doubt the "style" feature is even compatible for my purposes-the reason I don't plan to spend much time learning to use it. Responding to another comment: YES, there are a lot of people who CAN tell whether a comma is italicized just by looking at it. It is these people who decide or at least influence whether an article gets published or whether a court accepts an appeal-something that can affect a client's money, custody of their children, whether or for how long they go to prison, and, in rare cases, whether they live or die. I don't expect you to understand, but trust me, the citations have to be perfect because even a few mistakes damage the writer's credibility--and damaged credibility means diminished persuasive effect. The way the Word program is written makes checking these things a lot more difficult than it needs to be. Regarding my "sarcastic tone," I was responding in kind to the tone of the "Life after Reveal Codes" article. Have you read it? It isn't exactly written in a diplomatic tone. In addition to its condescending tone, the content of the article shows that the author has absolutely no understanding of the concerns faced by people who are looking for the nonexisent Word equivalent of 'reveal codes.' Some other silly anal things article editors and judicial clerks care about are whether a line break inappropriately splits up citations containing hyphens and section symbols, and whether a writer uses the correct number of spaces between words and sentences. (The ability to spot extra or missing spaces seems to be even more prevelant than the ability to spot inappropriately italicized commas.) "Life after Reveal Codes" doesn't even suggest the partial fix of clicking on the 'paragraph' symbol (shortcut Ctrl* a/k/a Ctrl+Shift+8) to toggle "reveal non-printing characters," which displays a little "dot" for every space so you can easily spot extra or omitted spaces. A Word user who doesn't know about "reveal non-printing characters" must arrow through a character at a time to check for the correct number of spaces. As for keeping characters together, "reveal non-printing characters" helpfully displays symbols for non-breaking spaces and hyphens (a/k/a "hard space" and "hyphen character" to WP users-Microsoft does get points for picking the more intuitive name). Before I found out about "reveal..." I actually checked this by inserting dummy text to force a citation to the end of a line to see if the statute number stayed together despite the hyphen or space after the section symbol. The only other alternative was to manually fix inappropriately "split" text during the final proofread-when I needed to be concentrating on other issues. Thanks to all for confirming my suspicions that it just can't be done in Word. And I do appreciate everyone trying to help. Unfortunately, no one seems to fully appreciate the real issue; as a result these postings are all just regurgitations of what others have already posted. Thanks anyway. "CyberTaz" wrote: Double-click the comma in question & look at the Italics button on the formatting toolbar. If the button is pressed in, the comma is italicized - If the button is popped out the comma *isn't* italicized... But as Graham suggested if the document is properly formatted it shouldn't be necessary to check every comma in the document. If styles are used single characters simply don't get left out of the process. If a certain phrase is suspect, select the phrase and look at the button. If *any* of the phrase isn't italicized the button will be popped out and clicking it twice or - better yet - reapplying the appropriate style will reformat the selected content completely. I understand where you're coming from & have had to deal with many people in a similar situation. You've learned to use WP effectively & have been forced to use a different program against your will. The natural tendency is to fight it every step of the way rather than learning to use the new tool, but it isn't a matter of "better or worse" it's simply a matter of *different* On another level, I sincerely hope that Ok genious, wasn't written with the venomous sarcastic tone the phrase evokes. The people here aren't responsible for you situation and are volunteering there time & knowledge to help you make the transition as smooth as possible. Don't take your anger & resentment out on them. Regards |:) Bob Jones [MVP] Office:Mac On 8/18/07 5:00 AM, in article , "ALeiS" wrote: Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP and works differently. Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Note also that a shortcut for applying formatting in the Find dialog is to
use the same keyboard shortcuts used in the text. For example, press Ctrl+I once to get Format: Font: Italic. Press Ctrl+I again to get Format: Font: Not Italic. A third time removes the formatting. The same can be done with Ctrl+B, Ctrl+U, Ctrl+Shift+A, Ctrl+Shift+K, etc. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I understand completely about using keyboard shortcuts. When I switched from keyboard driven applications (DOS, such as WP 5 and Lotus) to a Macintosh and a mouse I suspect it was years before I reached the same level of efficiency, or at least felt like I did. My other suggestions weren't necessarily auto-finding and replacing. While you may have some need for this I was leaning more towards having Word highlight (such as in yellow or green) those areas you need to take a closer look at. For example highlight every occurrence of an italicized comma or double spaces, which might make things faster regardless of the application you are using since it would eliminate the need to scrutinize every comma. I've used this method in the past for similar situations and bright yellow is definitely easy to spot and I have found this method does catch things better than I can - I invariably miss something on occasion. I did note that you prefer to work through the text so this may not work for you. BUT, you never know so here's a quick example if interested (or perhaps you could use this type of method as a final check to make sure you did catch everything since the type of work you do is crucial): - On the Formatting toolbar click the arrow next to the Text Highlight button and select a highlight color. Press Esc to turn the Highlighter off. (The last color you select for the Highlight will be the color applied in the following steps.) - Press F5 to open Find - Click the Replace tab - Click the More button at the bottom - In the Find What text box type a comma - Click the Format button at the bottom, select Font, click Italic, and then click OK - Place the insertion point in the Replace text box, click the Special button, and then click "Find What Text" (you should see ^& in the text box) - With the insertion point still in the Replace text box, click the Format button and then click Highlight - Click Replace All The result is only those commas that also have the Italic format applied are highlighted. To remove the Highlight, if you have no other highlighted areas in your document, select all (Ctrl+A), click the arrow next to the Text Highlight button and then click None. It's this type of task you could record using the Macro Recorder (I'm not sure where "Macro reader" came from??) and assign a keyboard shortcut to in order to automate the process. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "ALeiS" wrote in message ... Thank you for the info-I will probably try this add-in. I searched for "macro reader" in Word Help and all I got was the standard stuff on how to record and play macros. (I do know about macros; I use them in both Word and WP. I like keyboard shortcuts; it is a lot easier to record a macro and assign a shortcut than use the mouse to hunt for commands in the menus or on the toolbar icons. It's just not efficient to keep moving my hands from the keyboard to the mouse. . . Sorry for the tangent.) Anyway, I am not sure what you meant by the 'macro reader' comment. I suspect, though, that if your suggestion has anything to do with Word auto-finding or auto-replacing two spaces for every sentence, that it will actually take more time. I haven't met a word processor yet that can consistently tell the difference between an abbreviation and the end of a sentence-too many false alarms. Typically, I check spaces at the same time I do all my other editing (and I can do at least that now with the 'reveal nonprinting...' feature. In fact, I prefer to do all my editing in the same order the text goes, not a task or a "style" at a time, which is why I will probably spring for the add-in program you suggested (once I have a few spare minutes to check into it some more). Perhaps you meant something else about the macro thing. If so, feel free to clarify. Thanks. "Beth Melton" wrote: I hesitate to post this, since it appears you enjoy insulting those who are merely trying to help, which, btw is purely voluntarily, but I'll give you another chance. ;-) If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too. Here's a link if interested: http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton "ALeiS" wrote in message ... Ok genious, how do you see ALL the text formatting at the same time? For example, in the world of legal writing, it is important that text and citations use several different text attributes (italics, smallcaps, underline, bold), and there are people who get upset if a comma isn't italicized. It's a real pain to have to arrow through the text a letter at a time to check on the font attributes, and it's too easy to miss things like that just by glancing over the text and trying to guess based on visual impression. I am not one of those individuals gifted with the ability to discern whether or not a comma is italicized. So is there or is there not a way to see all the attibutes or formatting or codes or whatever you want to call them--all at the same time and not in some box floating at the right of the page that only shows the attributes of a little piece at a time? "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm |
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Hi Beth, Thanks for that link... I downloaded the Crosseyes program and when it wouldn't install, I contacted the company. Here was their reply: "The version of CE you have was not built for office 2007. We will have a new version soon that will work for office 2007. Please check back with us in late September, we should have it for release by then. Sorry for the inconvenience." But I like the idea and there is a trial version, so I will certainly try again later. Don Best regards, "Beth Melton" wrote: If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too. Here's a link if interested: http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton |
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Yeah, that makes sense, they would need a different add-in for Word 2007.
Thanks for the update. :-) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email cannot be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out: http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/boo...x#AboutTheBook Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "Don Ellis" wrote in message ... Hi Beth, Thanks for that link... I downloaded the Crosseyes program and when it wouldn't install, I contacted the company. Here was their reply: "The version of CE you have was not built for office 2007. We will have a new version soon that will work for office 2007. Please check back with us in late September, we should have it for release by then. Sorry for the inconvenience." But I like the idea and there is a trial version, so I will certainly try again later. Don Best regards, "Beth Melton" wrote: If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too. Here's a link if interested: http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton |
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If you are feeling really adventurous, DOCX is an XML format document in a
compressed format. You could open that format with a decompression tool such as WinRar and view the resulting codes directly from the document -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Don Ellis wrote: Hi Beth, Thanks for that link... I downloaded the Crosseyes program and when it wouldn't install, I contacted the company. Here was their reply: "The version of CE you have was not built for office 2007. We will have a new version soon that will work for office 2007. Please check back with us in late September, we should have it for release by then. Sorry for the inconvenience." But I like the idea and there is a trial version, so I will certainly try again later. Don Best regards, "Beth Melton" wrote: If you must have the equivalent of WP's Reveal Codes in Word then perhaps what you are looking for is an add-in called CrossEyes by Levit & James. I helped beta test the add-in a few years ago and can tell you it's a lot like the WP version but perhaps a little better since it reveals more than what WP Reveal Codes shows you. I think there's a trial version available too. Here's a link if interested: http://www.levitjames.com/crosseyes/CrossEyes.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton |
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Dear Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant - Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified,
Ive read the articles; Ive read all the comments for this subject matter. I am very frustrated and agree in €œmost€ with Mr. AleiS communications! This is ridiculous & many of the communications he received in return was done so with bad taste and irresponsive to his direct query. I commonly receive word documents that are pre-formatted (Pre-designed style templates from word) that often contain cell errors! Example: The format in one cell is varied from the balance. I now understand the reason reveal formatting in Word 07 is worthless in correcting what seemed to be simple flaws. I made the mistake of attempting to correct an error in a time sensitive document this AM and here I am posting this comment because of such. Thank goodness I have a secretary that can take the €œTIME€ to correct the changes, by redoing the documents from scratch! I have ordered to my IT department to pilot your add on suggestion in hopes this feature will work. For this I/we thank you in advance for this suggestion. Regards, General Manager of US Corporate Services "Dian D. Chapman, MVP" wrote: You might want to read this article... Is there life after "Reveal Codes"? http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm And you might also want to learn how Word works. Realize it is NOT WP and works differently. Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:23:02 -0700, "Rachel King" Rachel wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made
collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles that are actually being used in your document. Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through "Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired). If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003 and Word2007. On Aug 19, 3:28*pm, Bonnie wrote: CyberTaz: Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't live without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. *I, too, work in the legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and until 2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. *I was one of those who did not under any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but now, I would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of WordPerfect. * People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. *I really like it, even though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging along and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work, as I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. *Keep up the good work in helping people on this site. -- Bonnie Lynn Green |
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Peter,
Since you are seeding more opinions. Here one of mine: Like Styles, customizing the Ribbon is really basic and really easy when you know how. Bonnie, If you haven't already seen them, these links might be helpful: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart1.htm http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html -- Greg Maxey - Word MVP My web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles that are actually being used in your document. Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through "Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired). If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003 and Word2007. On Aug 19, 3:28 pm, Bonnie wrote: CyberTaz: Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't live without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. I, too, work in the legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and until 2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. I was one of those who did not under any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but now, I would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of WordPerfect. People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. I really like it, even though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging along and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work, as I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. Keep up the good work in helping people on this site. -- Bonnie Lynn Green |
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Bonnie,
Greg Maxey is an experienced, albeit self-taught, programmer, and a liar who has suddenly made it his business to stalk me and post inane replies to everything I post. "Really easy when you know how" is a tautology, and a pretty idiotic one. If it were "really basic," Microsoft would include instructions for doing it with every copy of Word, as it does for customizing the Quick Access Toolbar. On Aug 19, 5:52*pm, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Peter, Since you are seeding more opinions. *Here one of mine: Like Styles, customizing the Ribbon is really basic and really easy when you know how. Bonnie, If you haven't already seen them, these links might be helpful: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart1.htm http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html -- Greg Maxey - *Word MVP My web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ... Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles that are actually being used in your document. Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through "Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired). If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003 and Word2007. On Aug 19, 3:28 pm, Bonnie wrote: CyberTaz: Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't live without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. I, too, work in the legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and until 2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. I was one of those who did not under any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but now, I would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of WordPerfect. People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. I really like it, even though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging along and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work, as I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. Keep up the good work in helping people on this site. -- Bonnie Lynn Green- |
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.... and a liar! My, my now that's really strong. Next thing you'll be
shouting again. Where's MyHandsy? You due for another spanking. -- Greg Maxey - Word MVP My web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... Bonnie, Greg Maxey is an experienced, albeit self-taught, programmer, and a liar who has suddenly made it his business to stalk me and post inane replies to everything I post. "Really easy when you know how" is a tautology, and a pretty idiotic one. If it were "really basic," Microsoft would include instructions for doing it with every copy of Word, as it does for customizing the Quick Access Toolbar. On Aug 19, 5:52 pm, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Peter, Since you are seeding more opinions. Here one of mine: Like Styles, customizing the Ribbon is really basic and really easy when you know how. Bonnie, If you haven't already seen them, these links might be helpful: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart1.htm http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html -- Greg Maxey - Word MVP My web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ... Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles that are actually being used in your document. Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through "Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired). If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003 and Word2007. On Aug 19, 3:28 pm, Bonnie wrote: CyberTaz: Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't live without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. I, too, work in the legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and until 2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. I was one of those who did not under any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but now, I would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of WordPerfect. People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. I really like it, even though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging along and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work, as I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. Keep up the good work in helping people on this site. -- Bonnie Lynn Green- |
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Peter,
Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ... I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the ones that you have made recently. My intentions are to post replies only to your posts in which you display your unbridled arrogance, offer your opinions stated as facts, disparage the skills and contributions of others, attempt to close doors or discourage users from experiencing the full range of Word's capabilities by advising them that something is not possible or not worth the effort or too hard; when and as it pleases me. Considering your past and your nature it may please me to stay very busy. Take Bonnie's comment for example: "I have not mastered the styles/headings yet ..." For all we know, for all you know, while perhaps she hasn't mastered them she may already know far more about them than you or I. Even considering that you are a man with a Ph.D., a former college professor and author, editor, translator of numerous articles and books, with perhaps even an elevated status in academic and linguistic circles, it "is" possible that she is already more knowledgeable about headings/styles than you are!! Your post implies that you have mastered them and that she is completely ignorant of styles/headings and their employment/function. That is unbridled arrogance. Even if I am wrong concerning your implications I fail to see how your opinions about their simplicity and ease of use or your profound statement that numbered headings are a bit more complicated offered any substantive support or assistance. Perhaps you were just being inane. Cheers Peter T. Daniels wrote: Bonnie, Greg Maxey is an experienced, albeit self-taught, programmer, and a liar who has suddenly made it his business to stalk me and post inane replies to everything I post. "Really easy when you know how" is a tautology, and a pretty idiotic one. If it were "really basic," Microsoft would include instructions for doing it with every copy of Word, as it does for customizing the Quick Access Toolbar. On Aug 19, 5:52 pm, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Peter, Since you are seeding more opinions. Here one of mine: Like Styles, customizing the Ribbon is really basic and really easy when you know how. Bonnie, If you haven't already seen them, these links might be helpful: http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart1.htm http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...platePart2.htm http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html -- Greg Maxey - Word MVP My web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ... Styles are really basic and really easy -- they're just pre-made collections of all the different formatting decisions that can apply to a paragraph. You can tell Word to show you only the few styles that are actually being used in your document. Headings are simple if you just use the styles "Heading 1" through "Heading 9" that come with (modifying their formats as desired). If you need your headings and/or paragraphs numbered, it's a little bit more complicated, and it works somewhat differently in Word2003 and Word2007. On Aug 19, 3:28 pm, Bonnie wrote: CyberTaz: Not sure if I'm directing this correcting, but these people who can't live without their "WordPerfect," c'mon, give me a break. I, too, work in the legal profession as actually a legal secretary for now 24 years and until 2002, we used WordPerfect religiously. I was one of those who did not under any circumstance want to start using Word and fought it intensely, but now, I would fight it intensely to go back to the inferior product of WordPerfect. People just need to chill out and give Word a chance. I really like it, even though I have not mastered the styles/headings yet, I'm still plugging along and my bosses (the attorneys I work for) seem quite happy with my work, as I'm a perfectionist and it's quite easy to get a comma italicized. Keep up the good work in helping people on this site. -- Bonnie Lynn Green- -- Greg Maxey - Word MVP My web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org |
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On Aug 20, 9:07*am, "Greg Maxey"
wrote: Peter, Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ... I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the ones that you have made recently. * That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to). |
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We can take your word for it or take the word of Google that tracks and
maintains your profile. Your profile shows 18350 posts and counting in 7 groups starting in July 2006. -- Greg Maxey - Word MVP My web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message ... On Aug 20, 9:07 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Peter, Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ... I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the ones that you have made recently. That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to). |
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You guys need to get a room.
"Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... : We can take your word for it or take the word of Google that tracks and : maintains your profile. Your profile shows 18350 posts and counting in 7 : groups starting in July 2006. : : -- : Greg Maxey - Word MVP : : My web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org : Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org : : : "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message : ... : On Aug 20, 9:07 am, "Greg Maxey" : wrote: : Peter, : : Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ... : : I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest : interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have : completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that : your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the : ones that you have made recently. : : That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google : groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over : the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to : the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support : forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to). : : |
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Two of those seven groups are "support forums."
On Aug 20, 3:00*pm, "Greg Maxey" wrote: We can take your word for it or take the word of Google that tracks and maintains your profile. *Your profile shows 18350 posts and counting in 7 groups starting in July 2006. -- Greg Maxey - *Word MVP My web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ... On Aug 20, 9:07 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Peter, Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ... I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the ones that you have made recently. That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to). |
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Tom,
Something similar has already been suggested. I'm game provided it comes with a brace of pistols -- Greg Maxey - Word MVP My web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org "Tom Willett" wrote in message ... You guys need to get a room. "Greg Maxey" wrote in message ... : We can take your word for it or take the word of Google that tracks and : maintains your profile. Your profile shows 18350 posts and counting in 7 : groups starting in July 2006. : : -- : Greg Maxey - Word MVP : : My web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org : Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org : : : "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message : ... : On Aug 20, 9:07 am, "Greg Maxey" : wrote: : Peter, : : Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ... : : I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest : interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have : completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that : your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the : ones that you have made recently. : : That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google : groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over : the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to : the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support : forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to). : : |
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On Aug 20, 3:47*pm, "Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
Two of those seven groups are "support forums." On Aug 20, 3:00*pm, "Greg Maxey" wrote: We can take your word for it or take the word of Google that tracks and maintains your profile. *Your profile shows 18350 posts and counting in 7 groups starting in July 2006. -- Greg Maxey - *Word MVP My web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org Word MVP web sitehttp://word.mvps.org "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in ... On Aug 20, 9:07 am, "Greg Maxey" wrote: Peter, Less some lurker assume that you have the corner on truth ... I really have no interest in stalking you and if anyone had the slightest interest in checking your facts they would quickly realize that I have completely ignored nearly all of the 18+ thousand post and counting that your have made in support forums within the last few years and most of the ones that you have made recently. That is, in fact, a lie. As of just now, according to the google groups statistics, I have made 3257 postings to this newsgroup (over the not quite two years that I have had Word2007) and 31 postings to the word.printingfonts newsgroup. I have posted to no other "support forums" (unless someone had crossposted a message I replied to).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ah, so it it only 3257 and counting. 18350 and counting was an error. I have posted about 500 times in the same period. So does this mean: "Greg Maxey is an experienced, albeit self-taught, programmer, and a liar who has suddenly made it his business to stalk me and post inane replies to everything I post." .... was a lie? Or just nane? |
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