[Emrys Davies]

I have Win98 SE, OE6 and IE6 and Word 2000

My wife has saved a document in Word on a floppy disk using the 'Save
As' heading as 'Jerusalem' and Files of Type as Word Document. It was
saved in Times New Roman -Normal.

Everything was fine until today when the document would not open.

The Open page displays Doc.1
Jerusalem
and the Files of type shows: Word Documents.

When I try to open 'Jerusalem' I get the reminder ' Do you want to
revert to the saved 'Jerusalem', yes or no, but whatever I choose it
does not open.

The .doc file and 'Jerusalem' shows in Windows Explorer and on 'My
Computer', where 245,760 bytes is indicated.

One thing I notice and which is very unusual to me: None of the 'Files
of type' have any extensions on them.

I have tested on a blank disk and everything works fine.

Can you help please?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

You should never save a Word document directly to a floppy or open one
directly from a floppy. Instead, copy the file to your hard drive and open
it from there.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
I have Win98 SE, OE6 and IE6 and Word 2000

My wife has saved a document in Word on a floppy disk using the 'Save
As' heading as 'Jerusalem' and Files of Type as Word Document. It was
saved in Times New Roman -Normal.

Everything was fine until today when the document would not open.

The Open page displays Doc.1
Jerusalem
and the Files of type shows: Word Documents.

When I try to open 'Jerusalem' I get the reminder ' Do you want to
revert to the saved 'Jerusalem', yes or no, but whatever I choose it
does not open.

The .doc file and 'Jerusalem' shows in Windows Explorer and on 'My
Computer', where 245,760 bytes is indicated.

One thing I notice and which is very unusual to me: None of the 'Files
of type' have any extensions on them.

I have tested on a blank disk and everything works fine.

Can you help please?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

[Emrys Davies]

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
You should never save a Word document directly to a floppy or open one
directly from a floppy. Instead, copy the file to your hard drive and
open
it from there.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
I have Win98 SE, OE6 and IE6 and Word 2000

My wife has saved a document in Word on a floppy disk using the
'Save
As' heading as 'Jerusalem' and Files of Type as Word Document. It
was
saved in Times New Roman -Normal.

Everything was fine until today when the document would not open.

The Open page displays Doc.1
Jerusalem
and the Files of type shows: Word Documents.

When I try to open 'Jerusalem' I get the reminder ' Do you want to
revert to the saved 'Jerusalem', yes or no, but whatever I choose it
does not open.

The .doc file and 'Jerusalem' shows in Windows Explorer and on 'My
Computer', where 245,760 bytes is indicated.

One thing I notice and which is very unusual to me: None of the
'Files
of type' have any extensions on them.

I have tested on a blank disk and everything works fine.

Can you help please?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

I copied the two files to my dard drive, but they will not open from
there.

[Terry Farrell]

In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to work
directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either).

Try the Recover Text from any File Option (in the File Open dialog) and if
that fails, try opening the doc in WordPad.

--
Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
You should never save a Word document directly to a floppy or open one
directly from a floppy. Instead, copy the file to your hard drive and
open
it from there.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
I have Win98 SE, OE6 and IE6 and Word 2000

My wife has saved a document in Word on a floppy disk using the
'Save
As' heading as 'Jerusalem' and Files of Type as Word Document. It
was
saved in Times New Roman -Normal.

Everything was fine until today when the document would not open.

The Open page displays Doc.1
Jerusalem
and the Files of type shows: Word Documents.

When I try to open 'Jerusalem' I get the reminder ' Do you want to
revert to the saved 'Jerusalem', yes or no, but whatever I choose it
does not open.

The .doc file and 'Jerusalem' shows in Windows Explorer and on 'My
Computer', where 245,760 bytes is indicated.

One thing I notice and which is very unusual to me: None of the
'Files
of type' have any extensions on them.

I have tested on a blank disk and everything works fine.

Can you help please?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

I copied the two files to my dard drive, but they will not open from
there.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved directly to a
floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to extract the
text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File" setting in the Open
dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
You should never save a Word document directly to a floppy or open one
directly from a floppy. Instead, copy the file to your hard drive and
open
it from there.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
I have Win98 SE, OE6 and IE6 and Word 2000

My wife has saved a document in Word on a floppy disk using the
'Save
As' heading as 'Jerusalem' and Files of Type as Word Document. It
was
saved in Times New Roman -Normal.

Everything was fine until today when the document would not open.

The Open page displays Doc.1
Jerusalem
and the Files of type shows: Word Documents.

When I try to open 'Jerusalem' I get the reminder ' Do you want to
revert to the saved 'Jerusalem', yes or no, but whatever I choose it
does not open.

The .doc file and 'Jerusalem' shows in Windows Explorer and on 'My
Computer', where 245,760 bytes is indicated.

One thing I notice and which is very unusual to me: None of the
'Files
of type' have any extensions on them.

I have tested on a blank disk and everything works fine.

Can you help please?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

I copied the two files to my dard drive, but they will not open from
there.

[Stefan Blom]

Can you open the documents via the Open dialog box (File | Open)?

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP


"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
You should never save a Word document directly to a floppy or open one
directly from a floppy. Instead, copy the file to your hard drive and
open
it from there.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
I have Win98 SE, OE6 and IE6 and Word 2000

My wife has saved a document in Word on a floppy disk using the
'Save
As' heading as 'Jerusalem' and Files of Type as Word Document. It
was
saved in Times New Roman -Normal.

Everything was fine until today when the document would not open.

The Open page displays Doc.1
Jerusalem
and the Files of type shows: Word Documents.

When I try to open 'Jerusalem' I get the reminder ' Do you want to
revert to the saved 'Jerusalem', yes or no, but whatever I choose it
does not open.

The .doc file and 'Jerusalem' shows in Windows Explorer and on 'My
Computer', where 245,760 bytes is indicated.

One thing I notice and which is very unusual to me: None of the
'Files
of type' have any extensions on them.

I have tested on a blank disk and everything works fine.

Can you help please?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

I copied the two files to my dard drive, but they will not open from
there.

[Emrys Davies]

"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to
work
directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either).

Try the Recover Text from any File Option (in the File Open dialog)
and if
that fails, try opening the doc in WordPad.

--
Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
You should never save a Word document directly to a floppy or open
one
directly from a floppy. Instead, copy the file to your hard drive
and
open
it from there.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
I have Win98 SE, OE6 and IE6 and Word 2000

My wife has saved a document in Word on a floppy disk using the
'Save
As' heading as 'Jerusalem' and Files of Type as Word Document.
It
was
saved in Times New Roman -Normal.

Everything was fine until today when the document would not open.

The Open page displays Doc.1
Jerusalem
and the Files of type shows: Word Documents.

When I try to open 'Jerusalem' I get the reminder ' Do you want
to
revert to the saved 'Jerusalem', yes or no, but whatever I choose
it
does not open.

The .doc file and 'Jerusalem' shows in Windows Explorer and on
'My
Computer', where 245,760 bytes is indicated.

One thing I notice and which is very unusual to me: None of the
'Files
of type' have any extensions on them.

I have tested on a blank disk and everything works fine.

Can you help please?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

I copied the two files to my dard drive, but they will not open from
there.

Sadly, I cannot find WordPad. Tried Find files and folders but,
although there are lots of references to it, I could not locate it. It
is of course in the Start menu but that will not assist me in this case.
Can someone walk me through opening a file on 'C' in Notepad.

[JoAnn Paules]

To start WordPad: Start - All Programs - Accesxsories

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
Sadly, I cannot find WordPad. Tried Find files and folders but,
although there are lots of references to it, I could not locate it. It
is of course in the Start menu but that will not assist me in this case.
Can someone walk me through opening a file on 'C' in Notepad.

[Emrys Davies]

"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to
work
directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either).

Try the Recover Text from any File Option (in the File Open dialog)
and if
that fails, try opening the doc in WordPad.

--
Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
You should never save a Word document directly to a floppy or open
one
directly from a floppy. Instead, copy the file to your hard drive
and
open
it from there.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
I have Win98 SE, OE6 and IE6 and Word 2000

My wife has saved a document in Word on a floppy disk using the
'Save
As' heading as 'Jerusalem' and Files of Type as Word Document.
It
was
saved in Times New Roman -Normal.

Everything was fine until today when the document would not open.

The Open page displays Doc.1
Jerusalem
and the Files of type shows: Word Documents.

When I try to open 'Jerusalem' I get the reminder ' Do you want
to
revert to the saved 'Jerusalem', yes or no, but whatever I choose
it
does not open.

The .doc file and 'Jerusalem' shows in Windows Explorer and on
'My
Computer', where 245,760 bytes is indicated.

One thing I notice and which is very unusual to me: None of the
'Files
of type' have any extensions on them.

I have tested on a blank disk and everything works fine.

Can you help please?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

I copied the two files to my dard drive, but they will not open from
there.

Would you be more explicit here please: "Try the Recover Text from any
File Option (in the File Open dialog)" I think I know what you mean,
but would like to be sure that I doing the right thing. I could not open
the files in WordPad. I am learning fast, but I need quite basic
instructions as I am a bit out of my depth here at the moment.

Thanks a lot.
Emrys Davies.

[Emrys Davies]

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to
work
directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either).

Try the Recover Text from any File Option (in the File Open dialog)
and if
that fails, try opening the doc in WordPad.

--
Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
You should never save a Word document directly to a floppy or
open
one
directly from a floppy. Instead, copy the file to your hard drive
and
open
it from there.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
I have Win98 SE, OE6 and IE6 and Word 2000

My wife has saved a document in Word on a floppy disk using the
'Save
As' heading as 'Jerusalem' and Files of Type as Word Document.
It
was
saved in Times New Roman -Normal.

Everything was fine until today when the document would not
open.

The Open page displays Doc.1
Jerusalem
and the Files of type shows: Word Documents.

When I try to open 'Jerusalem' I get the reminder ' Do you want
to
revert to the saved 'Jerusalem', yes or no, but whatever I
choose
it
does not open.

The .doc file and 'Jerusalem' shows in Windows Explorer and on
'My
Computer', where 245,760 bytes is indicated.

One thing I notice and which is very unusual to me: None of
the
'Files
of type' have any extensions on them.

I have tested on a blank disk and everything works fine.

Can you help please?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

I copied the two files to my dard drive, but they will not open
from
there.

Would you be more explicit here please: "Try the Recover Text from any
File Option (in the File Open dialog)" I think I know what you mean,
but would like to be sure that I doing the right thing. I could not
open
the files in WordPad. I am learning fast, but I need quite basic
instructions as I am a bit out of my depth here at the moment.

Thanks a lot.
Emrys Davies.

Found that now: "Recover Text from any file"
and working on it. Recovered some text which is somewhat jumbled, but I
am getting there slowly. I think that the floppy is too corrupted, but
not much has been lost. In any case most of the information, if not
all, is on another floppy.

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

[Graham Mayor]

Emrys Davies wrote:

Found that now: "Recover Text from any file"
and working on it. Recovered some text which is somewhat jumbled,
but I am getting there slowly. I think that the floppy is too
corrupted, but not much has been lost. In any case most of the
information, if not all, is on another floppy.

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

Don't even think of opening the document(s) directly from your backup floppy
or that will corrupt also.

--

Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org

[Emrys Davies]

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Can you open the documents via the Open dialog box (File | Open)?

No, that failed, although some jumbled text was revealed. However, I
have been able to recover the lost data from 'bits and pieces'. I have
fully formatted the disk and it is working now that I am following the
correct procedures as advised by the forum. I also have back-up
engaged.

Would you answer this question for me as it will help my learning curve.
I now know (and am following religiously) that I must not save a Word
document directly to a floppy and that if I use a floppy I must copy a
file to it from where it is saved on the hard drive. If I do the
latter, why is it now safe to open the file from the floppy, directly?

Also, I did my Word studies some eight years ago and I cannot recall
being given any anti corruption advice about floppy disks, although I
did obtain City & Guilds in Word level 1 and 2, so that prompts me to
ask, in the nicest possible way, if there has been a big learning curve
re Word in the meantime.

Thanks a lot
Emrys Davies.

[Emrys Davies]

"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to
work
directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either).

When you say "or any other removable media either" are you including a
USB Flashdrive, as I used one of them to back-up my .dbx files. I made
a folder on the Flash Drive and copied my Identity into it from Windows
Folders. Or does your observation just relate to Word, only?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

This relates primarily to Word and covers (to some extent) *all* removable
media. You should not save directly to them nor open directly from them.
Always work from the HD. There's even a setting on the Save tab of Tools |
Options to "Make local copy of files stored on network or removable drives."

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to
work
directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either).

When you say "or any other removable media either" are you including a
USB Flashdrive, as I used one of them to back-up my .dbx files. I made
a folder on the Flash Drive and copied my Identity into it from Windows
Folders. Or does your observation just relate to Word, only?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

[JoAnn Paules]

Never save directly to removable media - period.

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to
work
directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either).

When you say "or any other removable media either" are you including a
USB Flashdrive, as I used one of them to back-up my .dbx files. I made
a folder on the Flash Drive and copied my Identity into it from Windows
Folders. Or does your observation just relate to Word, only?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

[Terry Farrell]

The observation only relates to Word - though I would not reply solely on a
Flash Drive for anything that is mission critical as they are not
invulnerable to corrupting or dying and the data does have a limited life.
It would be better to back up to a CDR or DVDR and use verify to ensure they
files are correctly written.

Terry

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to
work
directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media either).

When you say "or any other removable media either" are you including a
USB Flashdrive, as I used one of them to back-up my .dbx files. I made
a folder on the Flash Drive and copied my Identity into it from Windows
Folders. Or does your observation just relate to Word, only?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

[Jay Freedman]

Emrys Davies wrote:
"Terry Farrell" wrote in message
...
In which case it is already corrupt reinforcing the advice never to
work directly with a floppy disk (or any other removable media
either).

When you say "or any other removable media either" are you including a
USB Flashdrive, as I used one of them to back-up my .dbx files. I
made a folder on the Flash Drive and copied my Identity into it from
Windows Folders. Or does your observation just relate to Word, only?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

The advice is specific for Word (although there may be some other programs
that behave similarly) and mostly for floppies (but with some caveats for
other removable media).

The big problem with Word and floppy disks comes from the way Word uses
temporary files (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=211632). There are a
number of temp files, some of them as large as the document itself, that
Word must keep in the same folder as the original document. With the limited
capacity of floppy disks, the total size of the document and its temp files
can easily exceed that capacity. If that happens, Word behaves badly, and
irretrievably corrupted documents are the result.

On a USB drive or other gigabyte-or-larger removable media, this specific
kind of problem is unlikely (although theoretically still possible, as it
would also be on a nearly full hard drive). The danger here is that you may
forget that you have a document open -- maybe in a minimized window -- and
remove the drive. That, too, can result in a corrupted document.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

[Emrys Davies]

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved directly to
a
floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to extract
the
text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File" setting in the
Open
dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm


Susanne,

A very relevant link, the contents of which I am still studying. Other
advice is getting me there slowly and is very much appreciated. Just
one point at the moment: I have 'Save AutoRecover info every 10
minutes' enabled and I am not sure that this is a good idea yet for the
likes of myself and my wife, who I am helping. What are your thoughts
on that please?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Why do you think this is a bad idea? The AutoRecovery backups are saved to
the HD regardless of the location of the file itself, and the more often
they are made (up to a point), the better.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved directly to
a
floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to extract
the
text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File" setting in the
Open
dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm


Susanne,

A very relevant link, the contents of which I am still studying. Other
advice is getting me there slowly and is very much appreciated. Just
one point at the moment: I have 'Save AutoRecover info every 10
minutes' enabled and I am not sure that this is a good idea yet for the
likes of myself and my wife, who I am helping. What are your thoughts
on that please?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

[Stefan Blom]

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Can you open the documents via the Open dialog box (File | Open)?

No, that failed, although some jumbled text was revealed. However, I
have been able to recover the lost data from 'bits and pieces'. I have
fully formatted the disk and it is working now that I am following the
correct procedures as advised by the forum. I also have back-up
engaged.

Would you answer this question for me as it will help my learning curve.
I now know (and am following religiously) that I must not save a Word
document directly to a floppy and that if I use a floppy I must copy a
file to it from where it is saved on the hard drive. If I do the
latter, why is it now safe to open the file from the floppy, directly?


The reason why you should never open files from, or save files to, a floppy
disk is that there isn't enough space for Word's temporary files on the
floppy, which may cause corruption. However, you can still *copy* files to
or from a floppy if you want to move it (even though USB sticks are safer,
and can store a lot more data).

Also, I did my Word studies some eight years ago and I cannot recall
being given any anti corruption advice about floppy disks, although I
did obtain City & Guilds in Word level 1 and 2, so that prompts me to
ask, in the nicest possible way, if there has been a big learning curve
re Word in the meantime.

Eight years ago, floppy disks were pretty much what was available (to
ordinary users, at least). I guess that explains why nobody warned for
them... :-)

Seriously speaking, files are more complex in recent versions of Word. They
are also larger (this does not apply to files created in the new file
formats of Office 2007, though).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



Thanks a lot
Emrys Davies.

[Emrys Davies]

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Why do you think this is a bad idea? The AutoRecovery backups are
saved to
the HD regardless of the location of the file itself, and the more
often
they are made (up to a point), the better.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved directly
to
a
floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to
extract
the
text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File" setting in
the
Open
dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm


Susanne,

A very relevant link, the contents of which I am still studying.
Other
advice is getting me there slowly and is very much appreciated.
Just
one point at the moment: I have 'Save AutoRecover info every 10
minutes' enabled and I am not sure that this is a good idea yet for
the
likes of myself and my wife, who I am helping. What are your
thoughts
on that please?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

Suzanne

It was something I read somewhere as to the merits of AutoRecover and I
just needed reassurance, which is what you have given me.

Another point which is fooling me somewhat: I know that I must not save
directly to a floppy from Word or open it directly from Word. I accept
that, but if I attempt to open a floppy indirectly from Windows Explorer
I do not have access to 'Files of type' which is such a useful tool when
trying to ascertain which files are held on a floppy. I note that
WordPad is limited in that respect. Would you advise me on that aspect
please as this is totally new ground for me?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

[CyberTaz]

The options available in the Files of Type list vary depending on the
capabilities of the program involved. A program like WordPad is quite
limited in what file types it can open so the list is restricted to those
types only. Word, OTOH, is capable of opening a wider range of file types so
the list will be more extensive.

Since Windows Explorer is simply a navigation tool provided by Windows - not
an application program - it doesn't have a list of file types, per se.
Instead, opening a file from an Explorer window causes the appropriate
program to be launched based on the file's association with that program.

HTH |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 10/31/07 9:24 AM, in article ,
"Emrys Davies" wrote:

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Why do you think this is a bad idea? The AutoRecovery backups are
saved to
the HD regardless of the location of the file itself, and the more
often
they are made (up to a point), the better.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved directly
to
a
floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to
extract
the
text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File" setting in
the
Open
dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm


Susanne,

A very relevant link, the contents of which I am still studying.
Other
advice is getting me there slowly and is very much appreciated.
Just
one point at the moment: I have 'Save AutoRecover info every 10
minutes' enabled and I am not sure that this is a good idea yet for
the
likes of myself and my wife, who I am helping. What are your
thoughts
on that please?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

Suzanne

It was something I read somewhere as to the merits of AutoRecover and I
just needed reassurance, which is what you have given me.

Another point which is fooling me somewhat: I know that I must not save
directly to a floppy from Word or open it directly from Word. I accept
that, but if I attempt to open a floppy indirectly from Windows Explorer
I do not have access to 'Files of type' which is such a useful tool when
trying to ascertain which files are held on a floppy. I note that
WordPad is limited in that respect. Would you advise me on that aspect
please as this is totally new ground for me?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

[Terry Farrell]

Well that is not quite accurate either Bob.

Windows Explorer has options to arrange the folder contents (in this case
the floppy contents) in several different orders. The useful one in this
instance would be to select the 'group by type' option which means that the
docs will be grouped together.

However, as a final bit of advice, I would quite soon move all your old
files off floppy disks completely. Floppies are ancient technology, prone to
corruption, prone to physical damage and slow. I don't believe that anyone
sells computers fitted with floppy drives as standard any more either. Far
better to burn the archives to CDR or DVDR (using the verification process)
and use the burning utility to create covers that list the contents.

--
Terry Farrell - MS Word MVP

"CyberTaz" wrote in message
.. .
The options available in the Files of Type list vary depending on the
capabilities of the program involved. A program like WordPad is quite
limited in what file types it can open so the list is restricted to those
types only. Word, OTOH, is capable of opening a wider range of file types
so
the list will be more extensive.

Since Windows Explorer is simply a navigation tool provided by Windows -
not
an application program - it doesn't have a list of file types, per se.
Instead, opening a file from an Explorer window causes the appropriate
program to be launched based on the file's association with that program.

HTH |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 10/31/07 9:24 AM, in article ,
"Emrys Davies" wrote:

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Why do you think this is a bad idea? The AutoRecovery backups are
saved to
the HD regardless of the location of the file itself, and the more
often
they are made (up to a point), the better.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved directly
to
a
floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to
extract
the
text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File" setting in
the
Open
dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm


Susanne,

A very relevant link, the contents of which I am still studying.
Other
advice is getting me there slowly and is very much appreciated.
Just
one point at the moment: I have 'Save AutoRecover info every 10
minutes' enabled and I am not sure that this is a good idea yet for
the
likes of myself and my wife, who I am helping. What are your
thoughts
on that please?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

Suzanne

It was something I read somewhere as to the merits of AutoRecover and I
just needed reassurance, which is what you have given me.

Another point which is fooling me somewhat: I know that I must not save
directly to a floppy from Word or open it directly from Word. I accept
that, but if I attempt to open a floppy indirectly from Windows Explorer
I do not have access to 'Files of type' which is such a useful tool when
trying to ascertain which files are held on a floppy. I note that
WordPad is limited in that respect. Would you advise me on that aspect
please as this is totally new ground for me?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

[Emrys Davies]

Many thanks everyone. You have been very very helpful and it is much
appreciated.

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

[CyberTaz]

Hi Terry -

Please help me understand where the inaccuracy is. Although your suggestion
is certainly helpful *sorting* the listed files by type isn't the same as
*limiting* the list to display files of only a *certain* type... Which
seemed to be what the OP was looking for and (AFAIK) can't be done in an
Explorer window, whereas when using the Open or Save As dialog windows from
within an application the Files of Type list does enable that constraint.

Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 10/31/07 10:19 AM, in article
, "Terry Farrell"
wrote:

Well that is not quite accurate either Bob.

Windows Explorer has options to arrange the folder contents (in this case
the floppy contents) in several different orders. The useful one in this
instance would be to select the 'group by type' option which means that the
docs will be grouped together.

However, as a final bit of advice, I would quite soon move all your old
files off floppy disks completely. Floppies are ancient technology, prone to
corruption, prone to physical damage and slow. I don't believe that anyone
sells computers fitted with floppy drives as standard any more either. Far
better to burn the archives to CDR or DVDR (using the verification process)
and use the burning utility to create covers that list the contents.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

To add to what Bob and Terry have said, you don't want to open the file on
the floppy directly from Windows Explorer, either, as that amounts to the
same thing as opening it from Word (since Word will start and open it).
Instead, you need to use Windows Explorer to copy the file to the HD (to My
Documents or an appropriate subfolder within), then open it from within
Word.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Why do you think this is a bad idea? The AutoRecovery backups are
saved to
the HD regardless of the location of the file itself, and the more
often
they are made (up to a point), the better.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved directly
to
a
floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to
extract
the
text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File" setting in
the
Open
dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm


Susanne,

A very relevant link, the contents of which I am still studying.
Other
advice is getting me there slowly and is very much appreciated.
Just
one point at the moment: I have 'Save AutoRecover info every 10
minutes' enabled and I am not sure that this is a good idea yet for
the
likes of myself and my wife, who I am helping. What are your
thoughts
on that please?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

Suzanne

It was something I read somewhere as to the merits of AutoRecover and I
just needed reassurance, which is what you have given me.

Another point which is fooling me somewhat: I know that I must not save
directly to a floppy from Word or open it directly from Word. I accept
that, but if I attempt to open a floppy indirectly from Windows Explorer
I do not have access to 'Files of type' which is such a useful tool when
trying to ascertain which files are held on a floppy. I note that
WordPad is limited in that respect. Would you advise me on that aspect
please as this is totally new ground for me?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

[Terry Farrell]

Well it doesn't 'limit' to display only a file type, but by grouping it by
type, you can limit yourself to looking at just that one group of docs or
dots - which is virtually the same thing.

Terry

"CyberTaz" wrote in message
.. .
Hi Terry -

Please help me understand where the inaccuracy is. Although your
suggestion
is certainly helpful *sorting* the listed files by type isn't the same as
*limiting* the list to display files of only a *certain* type... Which
seemed to be what the OP was looking for and (AFAIK) can't be done in an
Explorer window, whereas when using the Open or Save As dialog windows
from
within an application the Files of Type list does enable that constraint.

Regards |:)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 10/31/07 10:19 AM, in article
, "Terry Farrell"
wrote:

Well that is not quite accurate either Bob.

Windows Explorer has options to arrange the folder contents (in this case
the floppy contents) in several different orders. The useful one in this
instance would be to select the 'group by type' option which means that
the
docs will be grouped together.

However, as a final bit of advice, I would quite soon move all your old
files off floppy disks completely. Floppies are ancient technology, prone
to
corruption, prone to physical damage and slow. I don't believe that
anyone
sells computers fitted with floppy drives as standard any more either.
Far
better to burn the archives to CDR or DVDR (using the verification
process)
and use the burning utility to create covers that list the contents.

[Emrys Davies]

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
To add to what Bob and Terry have said, you don't want to open the
file on
the floppy directly from Windows Explorer, either, as that amounts to
the
same thing as opening it from Word (since Word will start and open
it).
Instead, you need to use Windows Explorer to copy the file to the HD
(to My
Documents or an appropriate subfolder within), then open it from
within
Word.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Why do you think this is a bad idea? The AutoRecovery backups are
saved to
the HD regardless of the location of the file itself, and the more
often
they are made (up to a point), the better.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved
directly
to
a
floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to
extract
the
text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File"
setting in
the
Open
dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm


Susanne,

A very relevant link, the contents of which I am still studying.
Other
advice is getting me there slowly and is very much appreciated.
Just
one point at the moment: I have 'Save AutoRecover info every 10
minutes' enabled and I am not sure that this is a good idea yet
for
the
likes of myself and my wife, who I am helping. What are your
thoughts
on that please?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

Suzanne

It was something I read somewhere as to the merits of AutoRecover
and I
just needed reassurance, which is what you have given me.

Another point which is fooling me somewhat: I know that I must not
save
directly to a floppy from Word or open it directly from Word. I
accept
that, but if I attempt to open a floppy indirectly from Windows
Explorer
I do not have access to 'Files of type' which is such a useful tool
when
trying to ascertain which files are held on a floppy. I note that
WordPad is limited in that respect. Would you advise me on that
aspect
please as this is totally new ground for me?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

Suzanne,

You have made that so clear. Now, having done exactly what you have
outlined, I take it that from within Word I can now open the file saved
in My Documents and at the same time safely use the 'Files of type'
menu, which prompted me to ask my question.

Thanks,
EmrysDavies.

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Exactly.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
To add to what Bob and Terry have said, you don't want to open the
file on
the floppy directly from Windows Explorer, either, as that amounts to
the
same thing as opening it from Word (since Word will start and open
it).
Instead, you need to use Windows Explorer to copy the file to the HD
(to My
Documents or an appropriate subfolder within), then open it from
within
Word.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Why do you think this is a bad idea? The AutoRecovery backups are
saved to
the HD regardless of the location of the file itself, and the more
often
they are made (up to a point), the better.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
They may already be corrupted, then, by having been saved
directly
to
a
floppy, or by previous attempts at opening. You may be able to
extract
the
text contents by using the "Recover Text from Any File"
setting in
the
Open
dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/AppErrors/CorruptDoc.htm


Susanne,

A very relevant link, the contents of which I am still studying.
Other
advice is getting me there slowly and is very much appreciated.
Just
one point at the moment: I have 'Save AutoRecover info every 10
minutes' enabled and I am not sure that this is a good idea yet
for
the
likes of myself and my wife, who I am helping. What are your
thoughts
on that please?

Thanks,
Emrys Davies.

Suzanne

It was something I read somewhere as to the merits of AutoRecover
and I
just needed reassurance, which is what you have given me.

Another point which is fooling me somewhat: I know that I must not
save
directly to a floppy from Word or open it directly from Word. I
accept
that, but if I attempt to open a floppy indirectly from Windows
Explorer
I do not have access to 'Files of type' which is such a useful tool
when
trying to ascertain which files are held on a floppy. I note that
WordPad is limited in that respect. Would you advise me on that
aspect
please as this is totally new ground for me?

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

Suzanne,

You have made that so clear. Now, having done exactly what you have
outlined, I take it that from within Word I can now open the file saved
in My Documents and at the same time safely use the 'Files of type'
menu, which prompted me to ask my question.

Thanks,
EmrysDavies.

[Morettina]

My parents are also encountering problems opening Word files on a new Vista
PC. These files were saved on a Windows 98 PC onto floppies using Word.
What is strange though is that even in the Vista Windows Explorer, the files
don't even show up! If they put the floppy in the Win98 PC, the files
they've saved on the Vista PC don't show up, and vice versa.

I have to say that they (and me too) have often saved files to floppy as a
backup (or to take on the road) from inside Word and never had problems with
them. I guess we've been lucky.

But what I'm stumped with is that Vista doesn't seem to even see the files
that were saved on the Win98 PC. Is there something different between the 2
operating systems that is causing this?

Marie

[Eric P.]

Morettina wrote:
My parents are also encountering problems opening Word files on a new Vista
PC. These files were saved on a Windows 98 PC onto floppies using Word.
What is strange though is that even in the Vista Windows Explorer, the files
don't even show up! If they put the floppy in the Win98 PC, the files
they've saved on the Vista PC don't show up, and vice versa.

I have to say that they (and me too) have often saved files to floppy as a
backup (or to take on the road) from inside Word and never had problems with
them. I guess we've been lucky.

But what I'm stumped with is that Vista doesn't seem to even see the files
that were saved on the Win98 PC. Is there something different between the 2
operating systems that is causing this?

Marie

I don't have Vista myself but Windows XP has the same problems.
Apart from loose cables, defective floppy drives or misaligned floppy
disks which are sure reasons to fail there maybe reasons by changes in
XP and Vista.

Firstly every floppy should have an ID byte (like F0 or F9) in the
bootsector.
This ID byte depends on the floppy size, it is F0 for an 1.44MB floppy.
Not every program that formats floppies did enter the by XP and Vista
now required ID byte that was ignored by Windows 98.
This was especially many times the case with the commercially
preformatted floppies many people bought in the past.

Secondly the floppy driver inside Windows XP and Vista was redesigned to
not accept all old floppy sizes for writing or sometimes also reading.

Info from the MicroSoft Knowledge Base

Article ID : 309623
Windows XP supports the following floppy disk formats: €¢ 1.44 megabyte
(MB) 3.5" floppy disk (read, write, format)
€¢ 720 kilobyte (KB) 3.5" floppy disk (read, write only)
€¢ 1.2MB 5.25" floppy disk (read, write, format)
€¢ 360KB 5.25" floppy disk (read, write, format)

Article ID : 140060
The following table lists the most common media descriptor bytes:
Byte Capacity Media Size and Type
-------------------------------------------------

F0 2.88 MB 3.5-inch, 2-sided, 36-sector
F0 1.44 MB 3.5-inch, 2-sided, 18-sector
F9 720K 3.5-inch, 2-sided, 9-sector
F9 1.2 MB 5.25-inch, 2-sided, 15-sector
FD 360K 5.25-inch, 2-sided, 9-sector
FF 320K 5.25-inch, 2-sided, 8-sector
FC 180K 5.25-inch, 1-sided, 9-sector
FE 160K 5.25-inch, 1-sided, 8-sector
FE 250K 8-inch, 1-sided, single-density
FD 500K 8-inch, 2-sided, single-density
FE 1.2 MB 8-inch, 2-sided, double-density
F8 ----- Hard disk

Best is to try the floppy in a computer using Windows 98.
If the floppy is readable transfer the data to a medium that works in
Vista like an in Windows Vista formatted floppy or memory stick that
also works in 98(SE?).