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How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac
and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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Can you explain why this is necessary? Saying a bit about the ultimate
goal you need to achieve will help people determine the best route to get there. For instance, if this has something to do with letterhead, a dynamic margin is probably NOT the route. The Yogurt Man wrote: How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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This does have to do with letterhead. Our non-profit organization has
letterhead with a large graphic in the lower right hand of the page. For one-page letters, signatures fit nicely in the space to the left of the graphic with a 1" margin (and removes the need for multiple pages). However if the letter goes to two pages, the margin needs to bump up on the first page, or text would run through it. Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route. Or what other options would you suggest? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Can you explain why this is necessary? Saying a bit about the ultimate goal you need to achieve will help people determine the best route to get there. For instance, if this has something to do with letterhead, a dynamic margin is probably NOT the route. The Yogurt Man wrote: How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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Hi Yogurt Man,
An image formatted to Layout: Square and anchored in the first page footer but placed to the lower right corner wraps text around itself, which would permit a signature to the left on short letters, and not run text through the image in long letters. But that system also means that in long letters, that space to the left of the image gets used for half-width paragraphs. That may or may not be acceptable to you. For pre-printed letterhead, you would need to use an empty text box with no outline in place of an image. I'm not coming up with anything better than that, but someone else may, and more easily because they have a sense of the document you are dealing with. I suggest it's not the route because people do all sorts of crazy things with margins attempting to get letterhead, and usually it is the wrong route. For instance, to actually change the *margins* in a Word document, you need section breaks, and text won't flow through section breaks. So the whole idea of having a margin on one page and a different margin on the second page is *always* the wrong route for letterhead, because Word uses different features to accomplish that within a letter. Your general approach might be the best way to deal with a logo on just one side of the paper. But instead of margin you would need the size of the first page footer to be dynamic, a larger first page footer pushes the text out of the way without interfering with the flow of text across a page. It's probably possible to write a macro that checks the page numbers and then sets the size of the first page footer whenever anyone hits Save or Print--though I don't know how. You could ask in a programming group if no one gives you one here, and if you are willing to deal with macros. General information on setting up letterhead here, if you are curious: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm Daiya The Yogurt Man wrote: This does have to do with letterhead. Our non-profit organization has letterhead with a large graphic in the lower right hand of the page. For one-page letters, signatures fit nicely in the space to the left of the graphic with a 1" margin (and removes the need for multiple pages). However if the letter goes to two pages, the margin needs to bump up on the first page, or text would run through it. Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route. Or what other options would you suggest? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Can you explain why this is necessary? Saying a bit about the ultimate goal you need to achieve will help people determine the best route to get there. For instance, if this has something to do with letterhead, a dynamic margin is probably NOT the route. The Yogurt Man wrote: How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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It's easier than that...
Choose the File New menu item to start a new blank document First, add three manual page breaks ({CTRL} + {Enter}) . Now go back to the beginning of the document and choose the FilePage Setup menu item. On the Layout tab, enable (check) the Different first page checkbox and click the Ok button. Choose the ViewHeader and Footer menu item. The cursor should be in the First Page Header - Section 1 paragraph. Click the "Switch between Header and Footer button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Choose the Insert Text Box menu item and draw a text box on the bottom right side of the page, the same size as the graphic. Make sure you select the text box and set the border to None. Click the edge of the text box and drag it around so that it's positioned so the text will wrap around it. Right-click on the text box and choose the FormatText Box menu item. On the Layout tab, st the layout type to Tight. Click the Okay button. Click the Close button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Now delete the extra manual page breaks and do a FileSave, select the Word Template (.dot) file type and call it letterhead.dot. Word should put it in your default template directory. Now do a FileNew and choose letterhead.dot and you should be ready to go. Your text should wrap around the graphic in the bottom right corner of the first page and be perfectly normal on the second and subsequent pages. The whole secret to this is adding those page breaks... That sets Word up to create the multiple headers/footers. Once you've created the headers/footers, you can delete the page breaks and Word still stores the header/footer information (in the Maggie paragraph). Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Yogurt Man, An image formatted to Layout: Square and anchored in the first page footer but placed to the lower right corner wraps text around itself, which would permit a signature to the left on short letters, and not run text through the image in long letters. But that system also means that in long letters, that space to the left of the image gets used for half-width paragraphs. That may or may not be acceptable to you. For pre-printed letterhead, you would need to use an empty text box with no outline in place of an image. I'm not coming up with anything better than that, but someone else may, and more easily because they have a sense of the document you are dealing with. I suggest it's not the route because people do all sorts of crazy things with margins attempting to get letterhead, and usually it is the wrong route. For instance, to actually change the *margins* in a Word document, you need section breaks, and text won't flow through section breaks. So the whole idea of having a margin on one page and a different margin on the second page is *always* the wrong route for letterhead, because Word uses different features to accomplish that within a letter. Your general approach might be the best way to deal with a logo on just one side of the paper. But instead of margin you would need the size of the first page footer to be dynamic, a larger first page footer pushes the text out of the way without interfering with the flow of text across a page. It's probably possible to write a macro that checks the page numbers and then sets the size of the first page footer whenever anyone hits Save or Print--though I don't know how. You could ask in a programming group if no one gives you one here, and if you are willing to deal with macros. General information on setting up letterhead here, if you are curious: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm Daiya The Yogurt Man wrote: This does have to do with letterhead. Our non-profit organization has letterhead with a large graphic in the lower right hand of the page. For one-page letters, signatures fit nicely in the space to the left of the graphic with a 1" margin (and removes the need for multiple pages). However if the letter goes to two pages, the margin needs to bump up on the first page, or text would run through it. Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route. Or what other options would you suggest? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Can you explain why this is necessary? Saying a bit about the ultimate goal you need to achieve will help people determine the best route to get there. For instance, if this has something to do with letterhead, a dynamic margin is probably NOT the route. The Yogurt Man wrote: How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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Hi Mike,
that's the same thing I suggested in the first paragraph, actually, although I did not give nearly as much detail about how to accomplish it, since I wasn't sure Yogurt Man would be happy with that solution. Cosmetically, it's a little different result than what he asked for. Daiya Mike Starr wrote: It's easier than that... Choose the File New menu item to start a new blank document First, add three manual page breaks ({CTRL} + {Enter}) . Now go back to the beginning of the document and choose the FilePage Setup menu item. On the Layout tab, enable (check) the Different first page checkbox and click the Ok button. Choose the ViewHeader and Footer menu item. The cursor should be in the First Page Header - Section 1 paragraph. Click the "Switch between Header and Footer button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Choose the Insert Text Box menu item and draw a text box on the bottom right side of the page, the same size as the graphic. Make sure you select the text box and set the border to None. Click the edge of the text box and drag it around so that it's positioned so the text will wrap around it. Right-click on the text box and choose the FormatText Box menu item. On the Layout tab, st the layout type to Tight. Click the Okay button. Click the Close button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Now delete the extra manual page breaks and do a FileSave, select the Word Template (.dot) file type and call it letterhead.dot. Word should put it in your default template directory. Now do a FileNew and choose letterhead.dot and you should be ready to go. Your text should wrap around the graphic in the bottom right corner of the first page and be perfectly normal on the second and subsequent pages. The whole secret to this is adding those page breaks... That sets Word up to create the multiple headers/footers. Once you've created the headers/footers, you can delete the page breaks and Word still stores the header/footer information (in the Maggie paragraph). Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Yogurt Man, An image formatted to Layout: Square and anchored in the first page footer but placed to the lower right corner wraps text around itself, which would permit a signature to the left on short letters, and not run text through the image in long letters. But that system also means that in long letters, that space to the left of the image gets used for half-width paragraphs. That may or may not be acceptable to you. For pre-printed letterhead, you would need to use an empty text box with no outline in place of an image. I'm not coming up with anything better than that, but someone else may, and more easily because they have a sense of the document you are dealing with. I suggest it's not the route because people do all sorts of crazy things with margins attempting to get letterhead, and usually it is the wrong route. For instance, to actually change the *margins* in a Word document, you need section breaks, and text won't flow through section breaks. So the whole idea of having a margin on one page and a different margin on the second page is *always* the wrong route for letterhead, because Word uses different features to accomplish that within a letter. Your general approach might be the best way to deal with a logo on just one side of the paper. But instead of margin you would need the size of the first page footer to be dynamic, a larger first page footer pushes the text out of the way without interfering with the flow of text across a page. It's probably possible to write a macro that checks the page numbers and then sets the size of the first page footer whenever anyone hits Save or Print--though I don't know how. You could ask in a programming group if no one gives you one here, and if you are willing to deal with macros. General information on setting up letterhead here, if you are curious: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm Daiya The Yogurt Man wrote: This does have to do with letterhead. Our non-profit organization has letterhead with a large graphic in the lower right hand of the page. For one-page letters, signatures fit nicely in the space to the left of the graphic with a 1" margin (and removes the need for multiple pages). However if the letter goes to two pages, the margin needs to bump up on the first page, or text would run through it. Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route. Or what other options would you suggest? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Can you explain why this is necessary? Saying a bit about the ultimate goal you need to achieve will help people determine the best route to get there. For instance, if this has something to do with letterhead, a dynamic margin is probably NOT the route. The Yogurt Man wrote: How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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Daiya,
You're right. The solution of adding a graphic isn't going to cut it for me, because then text of a two-page document would print in a shallow column, and that would look terrible. (Thanks for the effort, though Mike, of letting me know how to do that.) I will take your suggestion about trying to create a dynamic footer. . . and head over to the programming group and see if I can get any help with Macro programming. I tried this and was successful on the mac, unsuccessful on the PC. Thanks so much for your time. YM "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Hi Mike, that's the same thing I suggested in the first paragraph, actually, although I did not give nearly as much detail about how to accomplish it, since I wasn't sure Yogurt Man would be happy with that solution. Cosmetically, it's a little different result than what he asked for. Daiya Mike Starr wrote: It's easier than that... Choose the File New menu item to start a new blank document First, add three manual page breaks ({CTRL} + {Enter}) . Now go back to the beginning of the document and choose the FilePage Setup menu item. On the Layout tab, enable (check) the Different first page checkbox and click the Ok button. Choose the ViewHeader and Footer menu item. The cursor should be in the First Page Header - Section 1 paragraph. Click the "Switch between Header and Footer button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Choose the Insert Text Box menu item and draw a text box on the bottom right side of the page, the same size as the graphic. Make sure you select the text box and set the border to None. Click the edge of the text box and drag it around so that it's positioned so the text will wrap around it. Right-click on the text box and choose the FormatText Box menu item. On the Layout tab, st the layout type to Tight. Click the Okay button. Click the Close button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Now delete the extra manual page breaks and do a FileSave, select the Word Template (.dot) file type and call it letterhead.dot. Word should put it in your default template directory. Now do a FileNew and choose letterhead.dot and you should be ready to go. Your text should wrap around the graphic in the bottom right corner of the first page and be perfectly normal on the second and subsequent pages. The whole secret to this is adding those page breaks... That sets Word up to create the multiple headers/footers. Once you've created the headers/footers, you can delete the page breaks and Word still stores the header/footer information (in the Maggie paragraph). Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Yogurt Man, An image formatted to Layout: Square and anchored in the first page footer but placed to the lower right corner wraps text around itself, which would permit a signature to the left on short letters, and not run text through the image in long letters. But that system also means that in long letters, that space to the left of the image gets used for half-width paragraphs. That may or may not be acceptable to you. For pre-printed letterhead, you would need to use an empty text box with no outline in place of an image. I'm not coming up with anything better than that, but someone else may, and more easily because they have a sense of the document you are dealing with. I suggest it's not the route because people do all sorts of crazy things with margins attempting to get letterhead, and usually it is the wrong route. For instance, to actually change the *margins* in a Word document, you need section breaks, and text won't flow through section breaks. So the whole idea of having a margin on one page and a different margin on the second page is *always* the wrong route for letterhead, because Word uses different features to accomplish that within a letter. Your general approach might be the best way to deal with a logo on just one side of the paper. But instead of margin you would need the size of the first page footer to be dynamic, a larger first page footer pushes the text out of the way without interfering with the flow of text across a page. It's probably possible to write a macro that checks the page numbers and then sets the size of the first page footer whenever anyone hits Save or Print--though I don't know how. You could ask in a programming group if no one gives you one here, and if you are willing to deal with macros. General information on setting up letterhead here, if you are curious: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm Daiya The Yogurt Man wrote: This does have to do with letterhead. Our non-profit organization has letterhead with a large graphic in the lower right hand of the page. For one-page letters, signatures fit nicely in the space to the left of the graphic with a 1" margin (and removes the need for multiple pages). However if the letter goes to two pages, the margin needs to bump up on the first page, or text would run through it. Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route. Or what other options would you suggest? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Can you explain why this is necessary? Saying a bit about the ultimate goal you need to achieve will help people determine the best route to get there. For instance, if this has something to do with letterhead, a dynamic margin is probably NOT the route. The Yogurt Man wrote: How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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To be honest, I kinda think that text wrapped around the graphic would
look nicer than all the empty space at the bottom of the letter, but it's totally subjective. I'm surprised a macro that ran on the Mac didn't work on Windows. Glad I could help focus your efforts. Daiya The Yogurt Man wrote: Daiya, You're right. The solution of adding a graphic isn't going to cut it for me, because then text of a two-page document would print in a shallow column, and that would look terrible. (Thanks for the effort, though Mike, of letting me know how to do that.) I will take your suggestion about trying to create a dynamic footer. . . and head over to the programming group and see if I can get any help with Macro programming. I tried this and was successful on the mac, unsuccessful on the PC. Thanks so much for your time. YM "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Hi Mike, that's the same thing I suggested in the first paragraph, actually, although I did not give nearly as much detail about how to accomplish it, since I wasn't sure Yogurt Man would be happy with that solution. Cosmetically, it's a little different result than what he asked for. Daiya Mike Starr wrote: It's easier than that... Choose the File New menu item to start a new blank document First, add three manual page breaks ({CTRL} + {Enter}) . Now go back to the beginning of the document and choose the FilePage Setup menu item. On the Layout tab, enable (check) the Different first page checkbox and click the Ok button. Choose the ViewHeader and Footer menu item. The cursor should be in the First Page Header - Section 1 paragraph. Click the "Switch between Header and Footer button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Choose the Insert Text Box menu item and draw a text box on the bottom right side of the page, the same size as the graphic. Make sure you select the text box and set the border to None. Click the edge of the text box and drag it around so that it's positioned so the text will wrap around it. Right-click on the text box and choose the FormatText Box menu item. On the Layout tab, st the layout type to Tight. Click the Okay button. Click the Close button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Now delete the extra manual page breaks and do a FileSave, select the Word Template (.dot) file type and call it letterhead.dot. Word should put it in your default template directory. Now do a FileNew and choose letterhead.dot and you should be ready to go. Your text should wrap around the graphic in the bottom right corner of the first page and be perfectly normal on the second and subsequent pages. The whole secret to this is adding those page breaks... That sets Word up to create the multiple headers/footers. Once you've created the headers/footers, you can delete the page breaks and Word still stores the header/footer information (in the Maggie paragraph). Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Yogurt Man, An image formatted to Layout: Square and anchored in the first page footer but placed to the lower right corner wraps text around itself, which would permit a signature to the left on short letters, and not run text through the image in long letters. But that system also means that in long letters, that space to the left of the image gets used for half-width paragraphs. That may or may not be acceptable to you. For pre-printed letterhead, you would need to use an empty text box with no outline in place of an image. I'm not coming up with anything better than that, but someone else may, and more easily because they have a sense of the document you are dealing with. I suggest it's not the route because people do all sorts of crazy things with margins attempting to get letterhead, and usually it is the wrong route. For instance, to actually change the *margins* in a Word document, you need section breaks, and text won't flow through section breaks. So the whole idea of having a margin on one page and a different margin on the second page is *always* the wrong route for letterhead, because Word uses different features to accomplish that within a letter. Your general approach might be the best way to deal with a logo on just one side of the paper. But instead of margin you would need the size of the first page footer to be dynamic, a larger first page footer pushes the text out of the way without interfering with the flow of text across a page. It's probably possible to write a macro that checks the page numbers and then sets the size of the first page footer whenever anyone hits Save or Print--though I don't know how. You could ask in a programming group if no one gives you one here, and if you are willing to deal with macros. General information on setting up letterhead here, if you are curious: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm Daiya The Yogurt Man wrote: This does have to do with letterhead. Our non-profit organization has letterhead with a large graphic in the lower right hand of the page. For one-page letters, signatures fit nicely in the space to the left of the graphic with a 1" margin (and removes the need for multiple pages). However if the letter goes to two pages, the margin needs to bump up on the first page, or text would run through it. Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route. Or what other options would you suggest? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Can you explain why this is necessary? Saying a bit about the ultimate goal you need to achieve will help people determine the best route to get there. For instance, if this has something to do with letterhead, a dynamic margin is probably NOT the route. The Yogurt Man wrote: How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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What I suggested would use the text box only on the bottom of page one, so
text on page one would wrap around the text box but there would be no text box on page two or subsequent pages. The text box wouldn't contain any text but would only be used as an object to force text to wrap around it on the first page only. Far as I can tell, that satisfies all of Yogurt Man's requirements without any need for complex macro solutions. It allows the signature on the left, next to the image on the letterhead when there's only a single page worth of content but when there's more than one page of content, the content itself wraps around the text box on the first page only. When using letterhead one normally uses the letterhead for the first page then unprinted paper for subsequent pages. Unless I'm missing something here about what Yogurt Man really wants to accomplish (and yes, I have been known to do that now and again grin). Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Mike, that's the same thing I suggested in the first paragraph, actually, although I did not give nearly as much detail about how to accomplish it, since I wasn't sure Yogurt Man would be happy with that solution. Cosmetically, it's a little different result than what he asked for. Daiya Mike Starr wrote: It's easier than that... Choose the File New menu item to start a new blank document First, add three manual page breaks ({CTRL} + {Enter}) . Now go back to the beginning of the document and choose the FilePage Setup menu item. On the Layout tab, enable (check) the Different first page checkbox and click the Ok button. Choose the ViewHeader and Footer menu item. The cursor should be in the First Page Header - Section 1 paragraph. Click the "Switch between Header and Footer button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Choose the Insert Text Box menu item and draw a text box on the bottom right side of the page, the same size as the graphic. Make sure you select the text box and set the border to None. Click the edge of the text box and drag it around so that it's positioned so the text will wrap around it. Right-click on the text box and choose the FormatText Box menu item. On the Layout tab, st the layout type to Tight. Click the Okay button. Click the Close button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Now delete the extra manual page breaks and do a FileSave, select the Word Template (.dot) file type and call it letterhead.dot. Word should put it in your default template directory. Now do a FileNew and choose letterhead.dot and you should be ready to go. Your text should wrap around the graphic in the bottom right corner of the first page and be perfectly normal on the second and subsequent pages. The whole secret to this is adding those page breaks... That sets Word up to create the multiple headers/footers. Once you've created the headers/footers, you can delete the page breaks and Word still stores the header/footer information (in the Maggie paragraph). Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Yogurt Man, An image formatted to Layout: Square and anchored in the first page footer but placed to the lower right corner wraps text around itself, which would permit a signature to the left on short letters, and not run text through the image in long letters. But that system also means that in long letters, that space to the left of the image gets used for half-width paragraphs. That may or may not be acceptable to you. For pre-printed letterhead, you would need to use an empty text box with no outline in place of an image. I'm not coming up with anything better than that, but someone else may, and more easily because they have a sense of the document you are dealing with. I suggest it's not the route because people do all sorts of crazy things with margins attempting to get letterhead, and usually it is the wrong route. For instance, to actually change the *margins* in a Word document, you need section breaks, and text won't flow through section breaks. So the whole idea of having a margin on one page and a different margin on the second page is *always* the wrong route for letterhead, because Word uses different features to accomplish that within a letter. Your general approach might be the best way to deal with a logo on just one side of the paper. But instead of margin you would need the size of the first page footer to be dynamic, a larger first page footer pushes the text out of the way without interfering with the flow of text across a page. It's probably possible to write a macro that checks the page numbers and then sets the size of the first page footer whenever anyone hits Save or Print--though I don't know how. You could ask in a programming group if no one gives you one here, and if you are willing to deal with macros. General information on setting up letterhead here, if you are curious: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm Daiya The Yogurt Man wrote: This does have to do with letterhead. Our non-profit organization has letterhead with a large graphic in the lower right hand of the page. For one-page letters, signatures fit nicely in the space to the left of the graphic with a 1" margin (and removes the need for multiple pages). However if the letter goes to two pages, the margin needs to bump up on the first page, or text would run through it. Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route. Or what other options would you suggest? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Can you explain why this is necessary? Saying a bit about the ultimate goal you need to achieve will help people determine the best route to get there. For instance, if this has something to do with letterhead, a dynamic margin is probably NOT the route. The Yogurt Man wrote: How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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I think you're missing the point here. If you use "Different first page,"
then you don't have to have the text box on the second and subsequent pages; it would be anchored to the First Page Footer only. Moreover, if it's just a graphic, it doesn't have to be in a text box at all; you can wrap text around the graphic itself. You really need to look again at http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm and http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/AnchorToHeader.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Mike Starr" wrote in message ... What I suggested would use the text box only on the bottom of page one, so text on page one would wrap around the text box but there would be no text box on page two or subsequent pages. The text box wouldn't contain any text but would only be used as an object to force text to wrap around it on the first page only. Far as I can tell, that satisfies all of Yogurt Man's requirements without any need for complex macro solutions. It allows the signature on the left, next to the image on the letterhead when there's only a single page worth of content but when there's more than one page of content, the content itself wraps around the text box on the first page only. When using letterhead one normally uses the letterhead for the first page then unprinted paper for subsequent pages. Unless I'm missing something here about what Yogurt Man really wants to accomplish (and yes, I have been known to do that now and again grin). Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Mike, that's the same thing I suggested in the first paragraph, actually, although I did not give nearly as much detail about how to accomplish it, since I wasn't sure Yogurt Man would be happy with that solution. Cosmetically, it's a little different result than what he asked for. Daiya Mike Starr wrote: It's easier than that... Choose the File New menu item to start a new blank document First, add three manual page breaks ({CTRL} + {Enter}) . Now go back to the beginning of the document and choose the FilePage Setup menu item. On the Layout tab, enable (check) the Different first page checkbox and click the Ok button. Choose the ViewHeader and Footer menu item. The cursor should be in the First Page Header - Section 1 paragraph. Click the "Switch between Header and Footer button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Choose the Insert Text Box menu item and draw a text box on the bottom right side of the page, the same size as the graphic. Make sure you select the text box and set the border to None. Click the edge of the text box and drag it around so that it's positioned so the text will wrap around it. Right-click on the text box and choose the FormatText Box menu item. On the Layout tab, st the layout type to Tight. Click the Okay button. Click the Close button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Now delete the extra manual page breaks and do a FileSave, select the Word Template (.dot) file type and call it letterhead.dot. Word should put it in your default template directory. Now do a FileNew and choose letterhead.dot and you should be ready to go. Your text should wrap around the graphic in the bottom right corner of the first page and be perfectly normal on the second and subsequent pages. The whole secret to this is adding those page breaks... That sets Word up to create the multiple headers/footers. Once you've created the headers/footers, you can delete the page breaks and Word still stores the header/footer information (in the Maggie paragraph). Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Yogurt Man, An image formatted to Layout: Square and anchored in the first page footer but placed to the lower right corner wraps text around itself, which would permit a signature to the left on short letters, and not run text through the image in long letters. But that system also means that in long letters, that space to the left of the image gets used for half-width paragraphs. That may or may not be acceptable to you. For pre-printed letterhead, you would need to use an empty text box with no outline in place of an image. I'm not coming up with anything better than that, but someone else may, and more easily because they have a sense of the document you are dealing with. I suggest it's not the route because people do all sorts of crazy things with margins attempting to get letterhead, and usually it is the wrong route. For instance, to actually change the *margins* in a Word document, you need section breaks, and text won't flow through section breaks. So the whole idea of having a margin on one page and a different margin on the second page is *always* the wrong route for letterhead, because Word uses different features to accomplish that within a letter. Your general approach might be the best way to deal with a logo on just one side of the paper. But instead of margin you would need the size of the first page footer to be dynamic, a larger first page footer pushes the text out of the way without interfering with the flow of text across a page. It's probably possible to write a macro that checks the page numbers and then sets the size of the first page footer whenever anyone hits Save or Print--though I don't know how. You could ask in a programming group if no one gives you one here, and if you are willing to deal with macros. General information on setting up letterhead here, if you are curious: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm Daiya The Yogurt Man wrote: This does have to do with letterhead. Our non-profit organization has letterhead with a large graphic in the lower right hand of the page. For one-page letters, signatures fit nicely in the space to the left of the graphic with a 1" margin (and removes the need for multiple pages). However if the letter goes to two pages, the margin needs to bump up on the first page, or text would run through it. Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route. Or what other options would you suggest? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Can you explain why this is necessary? Saying a bit about the ultimate goal you need to achieve will help people determine the best route to get there. For instance, if this has something to do with letterhead, a dynamic margin is probably NOT the route. The Yogurt Man wrote: How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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Hi Mike,
The difference between the "text box in a first page footer" and the original request is cosmetic--Yogurt Man seemed to want the text to end above the graphic completely, leaving the space to the left of the graphic blank on a 2-page letter. This route puts text in that space. Yogurt's Man later post suggested that would look terrible, in his opinion. I pointed out that I had already made the suggestion of a "text box in a first page footer" because I felt that someone familiar enough with Word to identify this as a good approach should also be able to read what I said and recognize that it was the same thing, even if lacking concrete directions. You may have been confused by my ungrammatical "I suggest it's not the route" in which "it's" was meant to refer back to Yogurt Man's original idea of dynamic margins (not the "textbox in a first page footer" route). That sentence was meant to respond to his question "Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route?". I had re-arranged my paragraphs and made them a little less comprehensible without updating the language. Daiya Mike Starr wrote: What I suggested would use the text box only on the bottom of page one, so text on page one would wrap around the text box but there would be no text box on page two or subsequent pages. The text box wouldn't contain any text but would only be used as an object to force text to wrap around it on the first page only. Far as I can tell, that satisfies all of Yogurt Man's requirements without any need for complex macro solutions. It allows the signature on the left, next to the image on the letterhead when there's only a single page worth of content but when there's more than one page of content, the content itself wraps around the text box on the first page only. When using letterhead one normally uses the letterhead for the first page then unprinted paper for subsequent pages. Unless I'm missing something here about what Yogurt Man really wants to accomplish (and yes, I have been known to do that now and again grin). Mike |
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I was suggesting using a text box because one only needs an object on the
bottom of the first page to force text to wrap around it so that it doesn't overprint the graphic that's already printed on the bottom of the letterhead sheet. Pages other than the first page would be printed on blank paper, not letterhead. If I inserted a graphic instead of a text box then the graphic itself would print. The nuance in Yogurt Man's original request that I missed was that he didn't want the text of the letter to print in the narrowed region at all if the letter required a second page... in that case, he wanted the bottom margin to increase so that the last line of his letter text would be above the graphic on his letterhead (1.87" from the bottom of the sheet). If the letter including signature didn't require a second page, it was acceptable for the signature to be adjacent to the graphic printed on the bottom of the letterhead sheet. That could be resolved by the use of a macro (OnSave??) that would see if a certain paragraph style is on page 1 or page 2 and if the paragraph style is on page 2 then increase the size of the text box on page 1. Best regards, Mike "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I think you're missing the point here. If you use "Different first page," then you don't have to have the text box on the second and subsequent pages; it would be anchored to the First Page Footer only. Moreover, if it's just a graphic, it doesn't have to be in a text box at all; you can wrap text around the graphic itself. You really need to look again at http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm and http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/AnchorToHeader.htm -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Mike Starr" wrote in message ... What I suggested would use the text box only on the bottom of page one, so text on page one would wrap around the text box but there would be no text box on page two or subsequent pages. The text box wouldn't contain any text but would only be used as an object to force text to wrap around it on the first page only. Far as I can tell, that satisfies all of Yogurt Man's requirements without any need for complex macro solutions. It allows the signature on the left, next to the image on the letterhead when there's only a single page worth of content but when there's more than one page of content, the content itself wraps around the text box on the first page only. When using letterhead one normally uses the letterhead for the first page then unprinted paper for subsequent pages. Unless I'm missing something here about what Yogurt Man really wants to accomplish (and yes, I have been known to do that now and again grin). Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Mike, that's the same thing I suggested in the first paragraph, actually, although I did not give nearly as much detail about how to accomplish it, since I wasn't sure Yogurt Man would be happy with that solution. Cosmetically, it's a little different result than what he asked for. Daiya Mike Starr wrote: It's easier than that... Choose the File New menu item to start a new blank document First, add three manual page breaks ({CTRL} + {Enter}) . Now go back to the beginning of the document and choose the FilePage Setup menu item. On the Layout tab, enable (check) the Different first page checkbox and click the Ok button. Choose the ViewHeader and Footer menu item. The cursor should be in the First Page Header - Section 1 paragraph. Click the "Switch between Header and Footer button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Choose the Insert Text Box menu item and draw a text box on the bottom right side of the page, the same size as the graphic. Make sure you select the text box and set the border to None. Click the edge of the text box and drag it around so that it's positioned so the text will wrap around it. Right-click on the text box and choose the FormatText Box menu item. On the Layout tab, st the layout type to Tight. Click the Okay button. Click the Close button on the Header and Footer toolbar. Now delete the extra manual page breaks and do a FileSave, select the Word Template (.dot) file type and call it letterhead.dot. Word should put it in your default template directory. Now do a FileNew and choose letterhead.dot and you should be ready to go. Your text should wrap around the graphic in the bottom right corner of the first page and be perfectly normal on the second and subsequent pages. The whole secret to this is adding those page breaks... That sets Word up to create the multiple headers/footers. Once you've created the headers/footers, you can delete the page breaks and Word still stores the header/footer information (in the Maggie paragraph). Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Yogurt Man, An image formatted to Layout: Square and anchored in the first page footer but placed to the lower right corner wraps text around itself, which would permit a signature to the left on short letters, and not run text through the image in long letters. But that system also means that in long letters, that space to the left of the image gets used for half-width paragraphs. That may or may not be acceptable to you. For pre-printed letterhead, you would need to use an empty text box with no outline in place of an image. I'm not coming up with anything better than that, but someone else may, and more easily because they have a sense of the document you are dealing with. I suggest it's not the route because people do all sorts of crazy things with margins attempting to get letterhead, and usually it is the wrong route. For instance, to actually change the *margins* in a Word document, you need section breaks, and text won't flow through section breaks. So the whole idea of having a margin on one page and a different margin on the second page is *always* the wrong route for letterhead, because Word uses different features to accomplish that within a letter. Your general approach might be the best way to deal with a logo on just one side of the paper. But instead of margin you would need the size of the first page footer to be dynamic, a larger first page footer pushes the text out of the way without interfering with the flow of text across a page. It's probably possible to write a macro that checks the page numbers and then sets the size of the first page footer whenever anyone hits Save or Print--though I don't know how. You could ask in a programming group if no one gives you one here, and if you are willing to deal with macros. General information on setting up letterhead here, if you are curious: http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/Letterhead.htm Daiya The Yogurt Man wrote: This does have to do with letterhead. Our non-profit organization has letterhead with a large graphic in the lower right hand of the page. For one-page letters, signatures fit nicely in the space to the left of the graphic with a 1" margin (and removes the need for multiple pages). However if the letter goes to two pages, the margin needs to bump up on the first page, or text would run through it. Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route. Or what other options would you suggest? "Daiya Mitchell" wrote: Can you explain why this is necessary? Saying a bit about the ultimate goal you need to achieve will help people determine the best route to get there. For instance, if this has something to do with letterhead, a dynamic margin is probably NOT the route. The Yogurt Man wrote: How would I go about creating a dynamic Microsoft Word template (for both Mac and PC) that changes the bottom margin of the first page depending on the length of the document (which would be determined as someone was typing). For instance, if the document ends up being one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1". If the document ends up being more than one page in length, the bottom margin of the front page would be 1.875" and all subsequent pages would have a bottom margin of 1". |
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Hi Daiya
As I said in my response to Suzanne... "The nuance in Yogurt Man's original request that I missed was that he didn't want the text of the letter to print in the narrowed region at all if the letter required a second page... in that case, he wanted the bottom margin to increase so that the last line of his letter text would be above the graphic on his letterhead (1.87" from the bottom of the sheet). If the letter including signature didn't require a second page, it was acceptable for the signature to be adjacent to the graphic printed on the bottom of the letterhead sheet. That could be resolved by the use of a macro (OnSave??) that would see if a certain paragraph style is on page 1 or page 2 and if the paragraph style is on page 2 then increase the size of the text box on page 1. " Best regards, Mike "Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message ... Hi Mike, The difference between the "text box in a first page footer" and the original request is cosmetic--Yogurt Man seemed to want the text to end above the graphic completely, leaving the space to the left of the graphic blank on a 2-page letter. This route puts text in that space. Yogurt's Man later post suggested that would look terrible, in his opinion. I pointed out that I had already made the suggestion of a "text box in a first page footer" because I felt that someone familiar enough with Word to identify this as a good approach should also be able to read what I said and recognize that it was the same thing, even if lacking concrete directions. You may have been confused by my ungrammatical "I suggest it's not the route" in which "it's" was meant to refer back to Yogurt Man's original idea of dynamic margins (not the "textbox in a first page footer" route). That sentence was meant to respond to his question "Why do you suggest this is probably NOT the route?". I had re-arranged my paragraphs and made them a little less comprehensible without updating the language. Daiya Mike Starr wrote: What I suggested would use the text box only on the bottom of page one, so text on page one would wrap around the text box but there would be no text box on page two or subsequent pages. The text box wouldn't contain any text but would only be used as an object to force text to wrap around it on the first page only. Far as I can tell, that satisfies all of Yogurt Man's requirements without any need for complex macro solutions. It allows the signature on the left, next to the image on the letterhead when there's only a single page worth of content but when there's more than one page of content, the content itself wraps around the text box on the first page only. When using letterhead one normally uses the letterhead for the first page then unprinted paper for subsequent pages. Unless I'm missing something here about what Yogurt Man really wants to accomplish (and yes, I have been known to do that now and again grin). Mike |
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