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I cannot open a formatted disk and how do I get it to open?
I have a formatted disk that I have been using for quite some time and now
the computer won't let me open it. I keep getting a msg that says the disk is not formatted or may have been made for a Mac. I have windows XP and using Office 2003. |
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You should not open a Word document directly from removable media
(floppy disk, CD, etc.). Doing so will likely corrupt the Word file or the media itself. Instead, you should copy the Word file to your hard drive, edit the file there, and then copy the modified file back to the removable media. RockyMtnHigh wrote: I have a formatted disk that I have been using for quite some time and now the computer won't let me open it. I keep getting a msg that says the disk is not formatted or may have been made for a Mac. I have windows XP and using Office 2003. |
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I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I knew
was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a different computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the computer that won't let me save to removable disk? sf `````````````` garfield-n-odie wrote: You should not open a Word document directly from removable media (floppy disk, CD, etc.). Doing so will likely corrupt the Word file or the media itself. Instead, you should copy the Word file to your hard drive, edit the file there, and then copy the modified file back to the removable media. RockyMtnHigh wrote: I have a formatted disk that I have been using for quite some time and now the computer won't let me open it. I keep getting a msg that says the disk is not formatted or may have been made for a Mac. I have windows XP and using Office 2003. |
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If this was a preformatted disc, it would suggest that the drive you tried
it on is out of alignment. I expect that if you did a full format of the floppy on that drive, I expect it would have worked. Floppies are mechanical and very ancient technology. However, don't do it. You should NEVER save or read a document directly from/to a floppy. Always use the HDD and then COPY to or from the floppy. The best solution is to throw away the floppy drive and use something designed for the 21st Century. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... : I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I knew : was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a different : computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the : computer that won't let me save to removable disk? : : sf : `````````````` : : : garfield-n-odie wrote: : You should not open a Word document directly from removable media : (floppy disk, CD, etc.). Doing so will likely corrupt the Word file : or : the media itself. Instead, you should copy the Word file to your : hard : drive, edit the file there, and then copy the modified file back to : the : removable media. : : RockyMtnHigh wrote: : : I have a formatted disk that I have been using for quite some time : and now : the computer won't let me open it. I keep getting a msg that says : the disk : is not formatted or may have been made for a Mac. I have windows : XP and : using Office 2003. : |
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On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:20:35 -0800, garfield-n-odie
wrote: You should not open a Word document directly from removable media (floppy disk, CD, etc.). Doing so will likely corrupt the Word file or the media itself. Instead, you should copy the Word file to your hard drive, edit the file there, and then copy the modified file back to the removable media. Which brings you back to the OP's problem: if he/she cannot access the disk, it is impossible to "copy the Word file to your hard drive, edit the file there, and then copy the modified file back to the removable media." Blessed be, for sure... |
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You could try and recover the files on the floppy using a utility for that
purpose, e.g. Norton Utilities. But it may not be entirely recoverable. Never edit a document on a floppy. It's a hard lesson to learn! Genine "Jim" wrote: On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:20:35 -0800, garfield-n-odie wrote: You should not open a Word document directly from removable media (floppy disk, CD, etc.). Doing so will likely corrupt the Word file or the media itself. Instead, you should copy the Word file to your hard drive, edit the file there, and then copy the modified file back to the removable media. Which brings you back to the OP's problem: if he/she cannot access the disk, it is impossible to "copy the Word file to your hard drive, edit the file there, and then copy the modified file back to the removable media." Blessed be, for sure... |
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Terry - I have further information about the situation and this isn't the time for sarcasm. I'm a teacher, those computers were donated years ago and the floppy drive isn't external - do there is no option to use something else more up to date. I am not in a position to consider if an EXTERNAL CD-RW is the answer to my problem (or not). YES - floppies are ancient technology, as are the computers I'm having trouble with... does this mean you're going to donate some modern technology to my classroom? LOL Then you won't need to scoff at my situation. FYI: I tried to reformat the floppy on the computer that didn't like it, but it gave me a message that the floppy was a damaged. The other two computers didn't reject the floppy, but when I transfered it to my "new technology" computer which usually reads such old technology, the floppy didn't have any information on it. Maybe the floppy was flawed, but it was straight out of the same box which has produced other floppies that worked on those computers - so maybe it's a factory problem, maybe not. I was hoping for a little "more obvious" information though... does this mean you think 3 computers are suddenly out of alignment or do you mean the computer reading it is suddenly out of alignment? I'm unclear about what reading directly from a floppy drive means. Can you understand that in the entire time I've used floppies I've done that without any problem - EVER? I know what you mean by direct write, but I'm unclear what you mean by direct read. I've never heard of saving a file to HD before reading, but my problem was that the files didn't appear on the floppy in the first place - so it wasn't even an option. Glad you brought up ancient technology though. My old/home win98 finally died this week (haven't given the HD a good, christian burial though, because I need to recover data). Soooo looking at new comptuer options - I see an internal floppy isn't an option in many cases. I have lots of floppies that I need to read, so I want an internal floppy drive, but it isn't available on a lot of the Dell options. :\ My BIG question is about the other options. I' stayong with 80 GIG. No reason to upgrade from that - but I'm wondering if the I should choose the DVD-RW/DVD option with appropriate software (otherwise it wouldn't be an option). However, I need to know what situations I would use it for.... and are they legal or illegal? Are you up to helping me with things like selecting dual/single channel SDRAM? I'm thinking of selecting (OS) XP-Pro, because it would be convienent to be able to access my work computer from home and vice versa... but I only want "Home Office" because I need Power Point, but don't need anything fancier than Word and Excel beyond that. Feedback is welcome. TIA sf ```````` TF wrote: If this was a preformatted disc, it would suggest that the drive you tried it on is out of alignment. I expect that if you did a full format of the floppy on that drive, I expect it would have worked. Floppies are mechanical and very ancient technology. However, don't do it. You should NEVER save or read a document directly from/to a floppy. Always use the HDD and then COPY to or from the floppy. The best solution is to throw away the floppy drive and use something designed for the 21st Century. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... : I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I knew : was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a different : computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the : computer that won't let me save to removable disk? : : sf : `````````````` |
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Sorry if this is a duplicate... not sure if my first send post was
sent. That's what happens when posting from an internet interface. sigh Terry - this isn't the time for sarcasm. I'm a teacher and those computers were donated years ago and the floppy drive isn't external - do there is no option to use something else more up to date. I am too conservative to consider that an EXTERNAL CD-RW is the answer to my problem. YES - floppies are ancient technology, as are the computers I'm having trouble with... does this mean you're going to donate some modern technology to my classroom so you won't need to scoff at my situation????? I tried to reformat the floppy on the computer that didn't like it and it gave me a message as the floppy was a damaged. The other two computers didn't reject it, but when I transfered the floppy to my "new technology" computer that usually reads such old technology, the floppy didn't have any information on it. Maybe the floppy was flawed, but it was straight out of the same box that has produced other floppies that worked on those computers - so maybe it's a factory problem, in that case. I was hoping for a little more insight... does this mean you think 3 computers are suddenly out of alignment or the computer reading it is out of alignment? I'm unclear about reading directly from a floppy drive. Can you understand that in the entire time I've used floppies I've done that without any problem EVER? I know what you mean by direct write, but I'm unclear what you mean by direct read. I've never heard of saving a file to HD before reading, but my problem was that the files didn't appear on the floppy in the first place - so that wasn't an option. Glad you brought up ancient technology though. My old/home win98 finally died this week (haven't given the HD a good, christian burial though, because I need to recover data). Soooo looking at new comptuer options - I see that an internal floppy isn't an option in many cases. I have lots of floppies that I need to read and I want an internal floppy drive, but it isn't available with a lot of the Dell options. :\ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ My BIG question is about the other drive/s. I'm thinking the DVD-RW/DVD option with appropriate software is the option I should choose (otherwise it wouldn't be an option), but I need to know the situations I would need it for. Are you up to helping me with things like selecting dual/single channel SDRAM? I'm thinking of selecting (OS) XP-Pro, because it would be convienent to be able to access my work computer from home and vice versa... but I only want "Home Office" because I need Power Point, but don't need anything fancier than Word and Excel beyond that. Any feedback? Thanks sf ```````` TF wrote: If this was a preformatted disc, it would suggest that the drive you tried it on is out of alignment. I expect that if you did a full format of the floppy on that drive, I expect it would have worked. Floppies are mechanical and very ancient technology. However, don't do it. You should NEVER save or read a document directly from/to a floppy. Always use the HDD and then COPY to or from the floppy. The best solution is to throw away the floppy drive and use something designed for the 21st Century. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... : I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I knew : was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a different : computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the : computer that won't let me save to removable disk? : : sf : `````````````` |
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On 3/8/05 10:23 PM, "sf" wrote:
Sorry if this is a duplicate... not sure if my first send post was sent. That's what happens when posting from an internet interface. It is a duplicate. You are aware that you can access these groups via a newsreader, right? http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm |
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The answer to the problem is to never ever read from, write to or print from
floppy with Word. This is the most certain method of ensuring document corruption. Copy to the hard disc and work on the document from there, then copy back to the floppy. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org sf wrote: Terry - I have further information about the situation and this isn't the time for sarcasm. I'm a teacher, those computers were donated years ago and the floppy drive isn't external - do there is no option to use something else more up to date. I am not in a position to consider if an EXTERNAL CD-RW is the answer to my problem (or not). YES - floppies are ancient technology, as are the computers I'm having trouble with... does this mean you're going to donate some modern technology to my classroom? LOL Then you won't need to scoff at my situation. FYI: I tried to reformat the floppy on the computer that didn't like it, but it gave me a message that the floppy was a damaged. The other two computers didn't reject the floppy, but when I transfered it to my "new technology" computer which usually reads such old technology, the floppy didn't have any information on it. Maybe the floppy was flawed, but it was straight out of the same box which has produced other floppies that worked on those computers - so maybe it's a factory problem, maybe not. I was hoping for a little "more obvious" information though... does this mean you think 3 computers are suddenly out of alignment or do you mean the computer reading it is suddenly out of alignment? I'm unclear about what reading directly from a floppy drive means. Can you understand that in the entire time I've used floppies I've done that without any problem - EVER? I know what you mean by direct write, but I'm unclear what you mean by direct read. I've never heard of saving a file to HD before reading, but my problem was that the files didn't appear on the floppy in the first place - so it wasn't even an option. Glad you brought up ancient technology though. My old/home win98 finally died this week (haven't given the HD a good, christian burial though, because I need to recover data). Soooo looking at new comptuer options - I see an internal floppy isn't an option in many cases. I have lots of floppies that I need to read, so I want an internal floppy drive, but it isn't available on a lot of the Dell options. :\ My BIG question is about the other options. I' stayong with 80 GIG. No reason to upgrade from that - but I'm wondering if the I should choose the DVD-RW/DVD option with appropriate software (otherwise it wouldn't be an option). However, I need to know what situations I would use it for.... and are they legal or illegal? Are you up to helping me with things like selecting dual/single channel SDRAM? I'm thinking of selecting (OS) XP-Pro, because it would be convienent to be able to access my work computer from home and vice versa... but I only want "Home Office" because I need Power Point, but don't need anything fancier than Word and Excel beyond that. Feedback is welcome. TIA sf ```````` TF wrote: If this was a preformatted disc, it would suggest that the drive you tried it on is out of alignment. I expect that if you did a full format of the floppy on that drive, I expect it would have worked. Floppies are mechanical and very ancient technology. However, don't do it. You should NEVER save or read a document directly from/to a floppy. Always use the HDD and then COPY to or from the floppy. The best solution is to throw away the floppy drive and use something designed for the 21st Century. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I knew was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a different computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the computer that won't let me save to removable disk? sf `````````````` |
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From your description, the floppy itself must be badly manufactured.
However, I repeat my advice, never open directly from or save directly to a floppy. When Word opens or saves a file, it creates temporary files in the active folder (the floppy in this instance) that it uses for building up the file structure and for creating a windows locking file to stop other users opening the file whilst you have it open. If you have always done this and got away with this, you are in a vast minority. Terry "sf" wrote in message oups.com... : Sorry if this is a duplicate... not sure if my first send post was : sent. That's what happens when posting from an internet interface. : : sigh : : Terry - this isn't the time for sarcasm. I'm a teacher and those : computers were donated years ago and the floppy drive isn't external - : do there is no option to use something else more up to date. I am too : conservative to consider that an EXTERNAL CD-RW is the answer to my : problem. : : YES - floppies are ancient technology, as are the computers I'm having : trouble with... does this mean you're going to donate some modern : technology to my classroom so you won't need to scoff at my : situation????? : : I tried to reformat the floppy on the computer that didn't like it and : it gave me a message as the floppy was a damaged. The other two : computers didn't reject it, but when I transfered the floppy to my "new : technology" computer that usually reads such old technology, the floppy : didn't have any information on it. Maybe the floppy was flawed, but it : was straight out of the same box that has produced other floppies that : worked on those computers - so maybe it's a factory problem, in that : case. I was hoping for a little more insight... does this mean you : think 3 computers are suddenly out of alignment or the computer reading : it is out of alignment? : : : : I'm unclear about reading directly from a floppy drive. Can you : understand that in the entire time I've used floppies I've done that : without any problem EVER? I know what you mean by direct write, but : I'm unclear what you mean by direct read. I've never heard of saving a : file to HD before reading, but my problem was that the files didn't : appear on the floppy in the first place - so that wasn't an option. : : Glad you brought up ancient technology though. My old/home win98 : finally died this week (haven't given the HD a good, christian burial : though, because I need to recover data). Soooo looking at new comptuer : options - I see that an internal floppy isn't an option in many cases. : I have lots of floppies that I need to read and I want an internal : floppy drive, but it isn't available with a lot of the Dell options. ::\ : : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : : My BIG question is about the other drive/s. I'm thinking the : DVD-RW/DVD option with appropriate software is the option I should : choose (otherwise it wouldn't be an option), but I need to know the : situations I would need it for. : : Are you up to helping me with things like selecting dual/single channel : SDRAM? : : I'm thinking of selecting (OS) XP-Pro, because it would be convienent : to be able to access my work computer from home and vice versa... but I : only want "Home Office" because I need Power Point, but don't need : anything fancier than Word and Excel beyond that. : : Any feedback? : : Thanks : sf : ```````` : : : TF wrote: : If this was a preformatted disc, it would suggest that the drive you : tried : it on is out of alignment. I expect that if you did a full format of : the : floppy on that drive, I expect it would have worked. Floppies are : mechanical : and very ancient technology. : : However, don't do it. You should NEVER save or read a document : directly : from/to a floppy. Always use the HDD and then COPY to or from the : floppy. : : The best solution is to throw away the floppy drive and use something : : designed for the 21st Century. : : -- : Terry Farrell - Word MVP : http://word.mvps.org/ : : "sf" wrote in message : oups.com... : : I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I : knew : : was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a : different : : computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the : : computer that won't let me save to removable disk? : : : : sf : : `````````````` : : |
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Graham Mayor wrote: The answer to the problem is to never ever read from, write to or print from floppy with Word. This is the most certain method of ensuring document corruption. Copy to the hard disc and work on the document from there, then copy back to the floppy. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org sf wrote: Terry - I have further information about the situation and this isn't the time for sarcasm. I'm a teacher, those computers were donated years ago and the floppy drive isn't external - do there is no option to use something else more up to date. I am not in a position to consider if an EXTERNAL CD-RW is the answer to my problem (or not). YES - floppies are ancient technology, as are the computers I'm having trouble with... does this mean you're going to donate some modern technology to my classroom? LOL Then you won't need to scoff at my situation. FYI: I tried to reformat the floppy on the computer that didn't like it, but it gave me a message that the floppy was a damaged. The other two computers didn't reject the floppy, but when I transfered it to my "new technology" computer which usually reads such old technology, the floppy didn't have any information on it. Maybe the floppy was flawed, but it was straight out of the same box which has produced other floppies that worked on those computers - so maybe it's a factory problem, maybe not. I was hoping for a little "more obvious" information though... does this mean you think 3 computers are suddenly out of alignment or do you mean the computer reading it is suddenly out of alignment? I'm unclear about what reading directly from a floppy drive means. Can you understand that in the entire time I've used floppies I've done that without any problem - EVER? I know what you mean by direct write, but I'm unclear what you mean by direct read. I've never heard of saving a file to HD before reading, but my problem was that the files didn't appear on the floppy in the first place - so it wasn't even an option. Glad you brought up ancient technology though. My old/home win98 finally died this week (haven't given the HD a good, christian burial though, because I need to recover data). Soooo looking at new comptuer options - I see an internal floppy isn't an option in many cases. I have lots of floppies that I need to read, so I want an internal floppy drive, but it isn't available on a lot of the Dell options. :\ My BIG question is about the other options. I' stayong with 80 GIG. No reason to upgrade from that - but I'm wondering if the I should choose the DVD-RW/DVD option with appropriate software (otherwise it wouldn't be an option). However, I need to know what situations I would use it for.... and are they legal or illegal? Are you up to helping me with things like selecting dual/single channel SDRAM? I'm thinking of selecting (OS) XP-Pro, because it would be convienent to be able to access my work computer from home and vice versa... but I only want "Home Office" because I need Power Point, but don't need anything fancier than Word and Excel beyond that. Feedback is welcome. TIA sf ```````` TF wrote: If this was a preformatted disc, it would suggest that the drive you tried it on is out of alignment. I expect that if you did a full format of the floppy on that drive, I expect it would have worked. Floppies are mechanical and very ancient technology. However, don't do it. You should NEVER save or read a document directly from/to a floppy. Always use the HDD and then COPY to or from the floppy. The best solution is to throw away the floppy drive and use something designed for the 21st Century. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I knew was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a different computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the computer that won't let me save to removable disk? sf `````````````` |
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Graham Mayor wrote: The answer to the problem is to never ever read from, write to or print from floppy with Word. This is the most certain method of ensuring document corruption. Copy to the hard disc and work on the document from there, then copy back to the floppy. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org sf wrote: Terry - I have further information about the situation and this isn't the time for sarcasm. I'm a teacher, those computers were donated years ago and the floppy drive isn't external - do there is no option to use something else more up to date. I am not in a position to consider if an EXTERNAL CD-RW is the answer to my problem (or not). YES - floppies are ancient technology, as are the computers I'm having trouble with... does this mean you're going to donate some modern technology to my classroom? LOL Then you won't need to scoff at my situation. FYI: I tried to reformat the floppy on the computer that didn't like it, but it gave me a message that the floppy was a damaged. The other two computers didn't reject the floppy, but when I transfered it to my "new technology" computer which usually reads such old technology, the floppy didn't have any information on it. Maybe the floppy was flawed, but it was straight out of the same box which has produced other floppies that worked on those computers - so maybe it's a factory problem, maybe not. I was hoping for a little "more obvious" information though... does this mean you think 3 computers are suddenly out of alignment or do you mean the computer reading it is suddenly out of alignment? I'm unclear about what reading directly from a floppy drive means. Can you understand that in the entire time I've used floppies I've done that without any problem - EVER? I know what you mean by direct write, but I'm unclear what you mean by direct read. I've never heard of saving a file to HD before reading, but my problem was that the files didn't appear on the floppy in the first place - so it wasn't even an option. Glad you brought up ancient technology though. My old/home win98 finally died this week (haven't given the HD a good, christian burial though, because I need to recover data). Soooo looking at new comptuer options - I see an internal floppy isn't an option in many cases. I have lots of floppies that I need to read, so I want an internal floppy drive, but it isn't available on a lot of the Dell options. :\ My BIG question is about the other options. I' stayong with 80 GIG. No reason to upgrade from that - but I'm wondering if the I should choose the DVD-RW/DVD option with appropriate software (otherwise it wouldn't be an option). However, I need to know what situations I would use it for.... and are they legal or illegal? Are you up to helping me with things like selecting dual/single channel SDRAM? I'm thinking of selecting (OS) XP-Pro, because it would be convienent to be able to access my work computer from home and vice versa... but I only want "Home Office" because I need Power Point, but don't need anything fancier than Word and Excel beyond that. Feedback is welcome. TIA sf ```````` TF wrote: If this was a preformatted disc, it would suggest that the drive you tried it on is out of alignment. I expect that if you did a full format of the floppy on that drive, I expect it would have worked. Floppies are mechanical and very ancient technology. However, don't do it. You should NEVER save or read a document directly from/to a floppy. Always use the HDD and then COPY to or from the floppy. The best solution is to throw away the floppy drive and use something designed for the 21st Century. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I knew was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a different computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the computer that won't let me save to removable disk? sf `````````````` |
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Graham Mayor wrote: The answer to the problem is to never ever read from, write to or print from floppy with Word. This is the most certain method of ensuring document corruption. Copy to the hard disc and work on the document from there, then copy back to the floppy. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org sf wrote: Terry - I have further information about the situation and this isn't the time for sarcasm. I'm a teacher, those computers were donated years ago and the floppy drive isn't external - do there is no option to use something else more up to date. I am not in a position to consider if an EXTERNAL CD-RW is the answer to my problem (or not). YES - floppies are ancient technology, as are the computers I'm having trouble with... does this mean you're going to donate some modern technology to my classroom? LOL Then you won't need to scoff at my situation. FYI: I tried to reformat the floppy on the computer that didn't like it, but it gave me a message that the floppy was a damaged. The other two computers didn't reject the floppy, but when I transfered it to my "new technology" computer which usually reads such old technology, the floppy didn't have any information on it. Maybe the floppy was flawed, but it was straight out of the same box which has produced other floppies that worked on those computers - so maybe it's a factory problem, maybe not. I was hoping for a little "more obvious" information though... does this mean you think 3 computers are suddenly out of alignment or do you mean the computer reading it is suddenly out of alignment? I'm unclear about what reading directly from a floppy drive means. Can you understand that in the entire time I've used floppies I've done that without any problem - EVER? I know what you mean by direct write, but I'm unclear what you mean by direct read. I've never heard of saving a file to HD before reading, but my problem was that the files didn't appear on the floppy in the first place - so it wasn't even an option. Glad you brought up ancient technology though. My old/home win98 finally died this week (haven't given the HD a good, christian burial though, because I need to recover data). Soooo looking at new comptuer options - I see an internal floppy isn't an option in many cases. I have lots of floppies that I need to read, so I want an internal floppy drive, but it isn't available on a lot of the Dell options. :\ My BIG question is about the other options. I' stayong with 80 GIG. No reason to upgrade from that - but I'm wondering if the I should choose the DVD-RW/DVD option with appropriate software (otherwise it wouldn't be an option). However, I need to know what situations I would use it for.... and are they legal or illegal? Are you up to helping me with things like selecting dual/single channel SDRAM? I'm thinking of selecting (OS) XP-Pro, because it would be convienent to be able to access my work computer from home and vice versa... but I only want "Home Office" because I need Power Point, but don't need anything fancier than Word and Excel beyond that. Feedback is welcome. TIA sf ```````` TF wrote: If this was a preformatted disc, it would suggest that the drive you tried it on is out of alignment. I expect that if you did a full format of the floppy on that drive, I expect it would have worked. Floppies are mechanical and very ancient technology. However, don't do it. You should NEVER save or read a document directly from/to a floppy. Always use the HDD and then COPY to or from the floppy. The best solution is to throw away the floppy drive and use something designed for the 21st Century. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I knew was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a different computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the computer that won't let me save to removable disk? sf `````````````` |
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Graham Mayor wrote: The answer to the problem is to never ever read from, write to or print from floppy with Word. This is the most certain method of ensuring document corruption. Copy to the hard disc and work on the document from there, then copy back to the floppy. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org sf wrote: Terry - I have further information about the situation and this isn't the time for sarcasm. I'm a teacher, those computers were donated years ago and the floppy drive isn't external - do there is no option to use something else more up to date. I am not in a position to consider if an EXTERNAL CD-RW is the answer to my problem (or not). YES - floppies are ancient technology, as are the computers I'm having trouble with... does this mean you're going to donate some modern technology to my classroom? LOL Then you won't need to scoff at my situation. FYI: I tried to reformat the floppy on the computer that didn't like it, but it gave me a message that the floppy was a damaged. The other two computers didn't reject the floppy, but when I transfered it to my "new technology" computer which usually reads such old technology, the floppy didn't have any information on it. Maybe the floppy was flawed, but it was straight out of the same box which has produced other floppies that worked on those computers - so maybe it's a factory problem, maybe not. I was hoping for a little "more obvious" information though... does this mean you think 3 computers are suddenly out of alignment or do you mean the computer reading it is suddenly out of alignment? I'm unclear about what reading directly from a floppy drive means. Can you understand that in the entire time I've used floppies I've done that without any problem - EVER? I know what you mean by direct write, but I'm unclear what you mean by direct read. I've never heard of saving a file to HD before reading, but my problem was that the files didn't appear on the floppy in the first place - so it wasn't even an option. Glad you brought up ancient technology though. My old/home win98 finally died this week (haven't given the HD a good, christian burial though, because I need to recover data). Soooo looking at new comptuer options - I see an internal floppy isn't an option in many cases. I have lots of floppies that I need to read, so I want an internal floppy drive, but it isn't available on a lot of the Dell options. :\ My BIG question is about the other options. I' stayong with 80 GIG. No reason to upgrade from that - but I'm wondering if the I should choose the DVD-RW/DVD option with appropriate software (otherwise it wouldn't be an option). However, I need to know what situations I would use it for.... and are they legal or illegal? Are you up to helping me with things like selecting dual/single channel SDRAM? I'm thinking of selecting (OS) XP-Pro, because it would be convienent to be able to access my work computer from home and vice versa... but I only want "Home Office" because I need Power Point, but don't need anything fancier than Word and Excel beyond that. Feedback is welcome. TIA sf ```````` TF wrote: If this was a preformatted disc, it would suggest that the drive you tried it on is out of alignment. I expect that if you did a full format of the floppy on that drive, I expect it would have worked. Floppies are mechanical and very ancient technology. However, don't do it. You should NEVER save or read a document directly from/to a floppy. Always use the HDD and then COPY to or from the floppy. The best solution is to throw away the floppy drive and use something designed for the 21st Century. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I knew was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a different computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the computer that won't let me save to removable disk? sf `````````````` |
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It doesn't matter whether you have the option of using something else. When
within Word, you _must_ act as if the floppy drive does not exist. Otherwise, you are throwing away your work! You can save to the hard disk, even if to a temporary folder that gets emptied everytime the computer is restarted. Then, from outside Word, copy between the hard drive and the floppy drive. If you use Word with files on a floppy drive you will lose the files (and perhaps everything on the floppy). -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "sf" wrote in message oups.com... Terry - I have further information about the situation and this isn't the time for sarcasm. I'm a teacher, those computers were donated years ago and the floppy drive isn't external - do there is no option to use something else more up to date. I am not in a position to consider if an EXTERNAL CD-RW is the answer to my problem (or not). YES - floppies are ancient technology, as are the computers I'm having trouble with... does this mean you're going to donate some modern technology to my classroom? LOL Then you won't need to scoff at my situation. FYI: I tried to reformat the floppy on the computer that didn't like it, but it gave me a message that the floppy was a damaged. The other two computers didn't reject the floppy, but when I transfered it to my "new technology" computer which usually reads such old technology, the floppy didn't have any information on it. Maybe the floppy was flawed, but it was straight out of the same box which has produced other floppies that worked on those computers - so maybe it's a factory problem, maybe not. I was hoping for a little "more obvious" information though... does this mean you think 3 computers are suddenly out of alignment or do you mean the computer reading it is suddenly out of alignment? I'm unclear about what reading directly from a floppy drive means. Can you understand that in the entire time I've used floppies I've done that without any problem - EVER? I know what you mean by direct write, but I'm unclear what you mean by direct read. I've never heard of saving a file to HD before reading, but my problem was that the files didn't appear on the floppy in the first place - so it wasn't even an option. Glad you brought up ancient technology though. My old/home win98 finally died this week (haven't given the HD a good, christian burial though, because I need to recover data). Soooo looking at new comptuer options - I see an internal floppy isn't an option in many cases. I have lots of floppies that I need to read, so I want an internal floppy drive, but it isn't available on a lot of the Dell options. :\ My BIG question is about the other options. I' stayong with 80 GIG. No reason to upgrade from that - but I'm wondering if the I should choose the DVD-RW/DVD option with appropriate software (otherwise it wouldn't be an option). However, I need to know what situations I would use it for.... and are they legal or illegal? Are you up to helping me with things like selecting dual/single channel SDRAM? I'm thinking of selecting (OS) XP-Pro, because it would be convienent to be able to access my work computer from home and vice versa... but I only want "Home Office" because I need Power Point, but don't need anything fancier than Word and Excel beyond that. Feedback is welcome. TIA sf ```````` TF wrote: If this was a preformatted disc, it would suggest that the drive you tried it on is out of alignment. I expect that if you did a full format of the floppy on that drive, I expect it would have worked. Floppies are mechanical and very ancient technology. However, don't do it. You should NEVER save or read a document directly from/to a floppy. Always use the HDD and then COPY to or from the floppy. The best solution is to throw away the floppy drive and use something designed for the 21st Century. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... : I've had the experience of trying to save a doc on a floppy that I knew : was formatted and getting that message. When I moved to a different : computer, I could save onto the disk... so what's wrong with the : computer that won't let me save to removable disk? : : sf : `````````````` |
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If the disk cannot, indeed, be read from Windows, this is a problem. The
problem reading the disk may or may not be just from within Word. The OP indicates that another computer can read it. The problem begins, though, with using Word with anything on removable media. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Jim" wrote in message ... On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:20:35 -0800, garfield-n-odie wrote: You should not open a Word document directly from removable media (floppy disk, CD, etc.). Doing so will likely corrupt the Word file or the media itself. Instead, you should copy the Word file to your hard drive, edit the file there, and then copy the modified file back to the removable media. Which brings you back to the OP's problem: if he/she cannot access the disk, it is impossible to "copy the Word file to your hard drive, edit the file there, and then copy the modified file back to the removable media." Blessed be, for sure... |
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Sorry about those empty posts. Don't know how they happened - Google
"groups" is a dark and mysterious process. I'm posting from Google because my home computer died and I haven't decided on the options I want for my new one. If anyone is in the mood to b helpful, I need advice about basic things like dual channel SDRAM. :/ I know what SDRAM is but why would "dual channel" be something I might need/want? TIA sf |
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Simple answer: because it doubles your memory speed.
Explanation: memory chips are pretty much limited to running at 200MHz. By some clever architecture changes made my the RAM manufacturers, it is possible to both write and read in the same clock cycle, so the memory modules effectively run at 400MHz. This is still half the speed of the processor bus (800MHz) and is a bottleneck to processor performance. So by changing the method of addressing the memory, it is possible to run two memory modules on a single 800MHz bus, alternately addresses each module per clock cycle - Dual Channel! What's it worth in raw performance: 12% for very little additional investment (if you want dual channel 512MB memory, you have to have 2 x 256MB modules which are just a little more expensive that a single 512MB module). The processor also costs a little more but also get hyperthreading enabled on the processor which is worth up to 8% depending on what you are running. You may not think that you need all that extra power, but think two or three years ahead and you may find that the extra 12% wards off yet another replacement PC for an extra year. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... : Sorry about those empty posts. Don't know how they happened - Google : "groups" is a dark and mysterious process. I'm posting from Google : because my home computer died and I haven't decided on the options I : want for my new one. : : If anyone is in the mood to b helpful, I need advice about basic things : like dual channel SDRAM. : :/ : I know what SDRAM is but why would "dual channel" be something I might : need/want? : : TIA : sf : |
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Back off sister because I'm not in the mood to be preached at. My
computer died last weekend and I'm not posting from one that I own. sf ````````` Daiya Mitchell wrote: On 3/8/05 10:23 PM, "sf" wrote: Sorry if this is a duplicate... not sure if my first send post was sent. That's what happens when posting from an internet interface. It is a duplicate. You are aware that you can access these groups via a newsreader, right? http://www.gmayor.com/MSNews.htm |
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Thanks, give me the entire name and I'll go there. ``````````````` Amedee Van Gasse wrote: sf shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers: Sorry about those empty posts. Don't know how they happened - "groups" is a dark and mysterious process. I'm posting from Google because my home computer died and I haven't decided on the options I want for my new one. If anyone is in the mood to b helpful, I need advice about basic things like dual channel SDRAM. :/ I know what SDRAM is but why would "dual channel" be something I might need/want? TIA sf wrong group, try a comp.hardware.* group -- Amedee Van Gasse using XanaNews 1.17.2.7 If it has an "X" in the name, it must be Linux? Please don't thank me in advance. Thank me afterwards if it works or hit me in the face if it doesn't. ;-) |
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Thanks, give me the entire name and I'll go there. ``````````````` Amedee Van Gasse wrote: sf shared this with us in microsoft.public.word.newusers: Sorry about those empty posts. Don't know how they happened - "groups" is a dark and mysterious process. I'm posting from Google because my home computer died and I haven't decided on the options I want for my new one. If anyone is in the mood to b helpful, I need advice about basic things like dual channel SDRAM. :/ I know what SDRAM is but why would "dual channel" be something I might need/want? TIA sf wrong group, try a comp.hardware.* group -- Amedee Van Gasse using XanaNews 1.17.2.7 If it has an "X" in the name, it must be Linux? Please don't thank me in advance. Thank me afterwards if it works or hit me in the face if it doesn't. ;-) |
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TF wrote: From your description, the floppy itself must be badly manufactured. However, I repeat my advice, never open directly from or save directly to a floppy. When Word opens or saves a file, it creates temporary files in the active folder (the floppy in this instance) that it uses for building up the file structure and for creating a windows locking file to stop other users opening the file whilst you have it open. If you have always done this and got away with this, you are in a vast minority. Terry I did it before I was told otherwise a few years ago and never had a problem. So, yes I am part of that minority. LOL. I also have saved directly to floppy - keeping a copy on the HD afterward. Never had a problem up to this, but I'm inlined to blame the floppy since it happened with 3 different computers. Oh, well. It's over now. Thanks for reminding me of the proper protocol to save. Now I need to find a ardware group so I can as about dual channel SDRAM and I guess I need to figure out how to find a microsoft xp group from google (not easy) to ask about which OS and Office version to order on a new computer. |
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TF wrote: From your description, the floppy itself must be badly manufactured. However, I repeat my advice, never open directly from or save directly to a floppy. When Word opens or saves a file, it creates temporary files in the active folder (the floppy in this instance) that it uses for building up the file structure and for creating a windows locking file to stop other users opening the file whilst you have it open. If you have always done this and got away with this, you are in a vast minority. Terry I did it before I was told otherwise a few years ago and never had a problem. So, yes I am part of that minority. LOL. I also have saved directly to floppy - keeping a copy on the HD afterward. Never had a problem up to this, but I'm inlined to blame the floppy since it happened with 3 different computers. Oh, well. It's over now. Thanks for reminding me of the proper protocol to save. Now I need to find a ardware group so I can as about dual channel SDRAM and I guess I need to figure out how to find a microsoft xp group from google (not easy) to ask about which OS and Office version to order on a new computer. |
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Terry has already provided an answer about dual-channel SDRAM.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "sf" wrote in message oups.com... TF wrote: From your description, the floppy itself must be badly manufactured. However, I repeat my advice, never open directly from or save directly to a floppy. When Word opens or saves a file, it creates temporary files in the active folder (the floppy in this instance) that it uses for building up the file structure and for creating a windows locking file to stop other users opening the file whilst you have it open. If you have always done this and got away with this, you are in a vast minority. Terry I did it before I was told otherwise a few years ago and never had a problem. So, yes I am part of that minority. LOL. I also have saved directly to floppy - keeping a copy on the HD afterward. Never had a problem up to this, but I'm inlined to blame the floppy since it happened with 3 different computers. Oh, well. It's over now. Thanks for reminding me of the proper protocol to save. Now I need to find a ardware group so I can as about dual channel SDRAM and I guess I need to figure out how to find a microsoft xp group from google (not easy) to ask about which OS and Office version to order on a new computer. |
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Thanks for the heads up.... I haven't blundered into that answer yet.
TIA, Terry! Not having my usual interface has really put me into a tailspin and I'm not seeing what I'm used to finding easily. :/ sf `````````` Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Terry has already provided an answer about dual-channel SDRAM. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "sf" wrote in message oups.com... snip Now I need to find a ardware group so I can as about dual channel SDRAM and I guess I need to figure out how to find a microsoft xp group from google (not easy) to ask about which OS and Office version to order on a new computer. |
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Many thanks Terry! Dual channel is a no brainer, in that case....
especially considering that a 2 or 3 year old computer is considered brand new in my household. We keep them 5-7 years, until they die or the OS is a complete dinosaur - whatever comes first. Now I have to find out if I will be able to use the remote access part of XP pro to access my work computer from home. If I can, it's worth the $$$. If I can't, I'll stick with the XP Home version.... unless there's another compelling reason to go with Pro. `````````````````````````` TF wrote: Simple answer: because it doubles your memory speed. Explanation: memory chips are pretty much limited to running at 200MHz. By some clever architecture changes made my the RAM manufacturers, it is possible to both write and read in the same clock cycle, so the memory modules effectively run at 400MHz. This is still half the speed of the processor bus (800MHz) and is a bottleneck to processor performance. So by changing the method of addressing the memory, it is possible to run two memory modules on a single 800MHz bus, alternately addresses each module per clock cycle - Dual Channel! What's it worth in raw performance: 12% for very little additional investment (if you want dual channel 512MB memory, you have to have 2 x 256MB modules which are just a little more expensive that a single 512MB module). The processor also costs a little more but also get hyperthreading enabled on the processor which is worth up to 8% depending on what you are running. You may not think that you need all that extra power, but think two or three years ahead and you may find that the extra 12% wards off yet another replacement PC for an extra year. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ "sf" wrote in message oups.com... : Sorry about those empty posts. Don't know how they happened - : "groups" is a dark and mysterious process. I'm posting from Google : because my home computer died and I haven't decided on the options I : want for my new one. : : If anyone is in the mood to b helpful, I need advice about basic things : like dual channel SDRAM. : :/ : I know what SDRAM is but why would "dual channel" be something I might : need/want? : : TIA : sf : |
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Windows XPP has a service for securely connecting across the Internet to an
Office Network called VPN (Virtual Private Networking). I don't believe that you can do that with WinXP Home edition (though I may be wrong). Also, if you get XPH, you won't be able to log in to a work Domain. There are workarounds for this, but it means you have to leave a security hole in your Work domain. Unless your work network is also a dinosaur, I would recommend XPP. Terry "sf" wrote in message oups.com... : Many thanks Terry! Dual channel is a no brainer, in that case.... : especially considering that a 2 or 3 year old computer is considered : brand new in my household. We keep them 5-7 years, until they die or : the OS is a complete dinosaur - whatever comes first. : : Now I have to find out if I will be able to use the remote access part : of XP pro to access my work computer from home. If I can, it's worth : the $$$. If I can't, I'll stick with the XP Home version.... unless : there's another compelling reason to go with Pro. : : `````````````````````````` : TF wrote: : Simple answer: because it doubles your memory speed. : : Explanation: memory chips are pretty much limited to running at : 200MHz. By : some clever architecture changes made my the RAM manufacturers, it is : : possible to both write and read in the same clock cycle, so the : memory : modules effectively run at 400MHz. This is still half the speed of : the : processor bus (800MHz) and is a bottleneck to processor performance. : So by : changing the method of addressing the memory, it is possible to run : two : memory modules on a single 800MHz bus, alternately addresses each : module per : clock cycle - Dual Channel! : : What's it worth in raw performance: 12% for very little additional : investment (if you want dual channel 512MB memory, you have to have 2 : x : 256MB modules which are just a little more expensive that a single : 512MB : module). The processor also costs a little more but also get : hyperthreading : enabled on the processor which is worth up to 8% depending on what : you are : running. : : You may not think that you need all that extra power, but think two : or three : years ahead and you may find that the extra 12% wards off yet another : : replacement PC for an extra year. : : -- : Terry Farrell - Word MVP : http://word.mvps.org/ : : "sf" wrote in message : oups.com... : : Sorry about those empty posts. Don't know how they happened - : : "groups" is a dark and mysterious process. I'm posting from Google : : because my home computer died and I haven't decided on the options : I : : want for my new one. : : : : If anyone is in the mood to b helpful, I need advice about basic : things : : like dual channel SDRAM. : : :/ : : I know what SDRAM is but why would "dual channel" be something I : might : : need/want? : : : : TIA : : sf : : : |
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Thanks again, Terry!
TF wrote: Windows XPP has a service for securely connecting across the Internet to an Office Network called VPN (Virtual Private Networking). I don't believe that you can do that with WinXP Home edition (though I may be wrong). Just curious - VPN isn't an free app. anymore? I downloaded it a couple of years ago when my mother got her first home computer - in case she had a problem. Fortunately for me (because VPN used terminology that was completely out of my range of knowledge), I never needed to use it. Mom turned out to be a visual learner, so I can send her screen shots plus instructions about what to do and she's ok with that. Also, if you get XPH, you won't be able to log in to a work Domain. There are workarounds for this, but it means you have to leave a security hole in your Work domain. I tried to access the Help Desk today, but they were on voice mail and I didn't leave a message because my experience is that they call back when it's the least convenient for me. I'll try again tomorrow - I've got to make a computer order ASAP and I need answers. Unless your work network is also a dinosaur, Well, I can't guarantee it's not a dinosaur. No kidding, the last time I checked - it still was. They've done some things lately that are making more work for the average worker - so I guess it's called making "progress" at this stage. I would recommend XPP. At this point, cost isn't a hindrance ($79). OTOH, Home Office (way over $200) makes me ask myself if I "really" need it... but I want Power Point(!), in spite of the limited number of times I've used it to compose a presentation. sf Ummm... before I say "goodbye" - would you please share your knowledge of processors? My only option is P4 - but I have to figure out if I want anything from 2.80 GHz, 800FSB (whatever fsb means) to 340GHz with 800FSB. The difference seems so minor (to me) that unless I was a gaming fanatic or power user such as an architect or engineer - it wouldn't make a difference I'd notice as a home/office user. Am I correct? TIA |
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: Ummm... before I say "goodbye" - would you please share your knowledge : of processors? My only option is P4 - but I have to figure out if I : want anything from 2.80 GHz, 800FSB (whatever fsb means) to 340GHz with : 800FSB. The difference seems so minor (to me) that unless I was a : gaming fanatic or power user such as an architect or engineer - it : wouldn't make a difference I'd notice as a home/office user. Am I : correct? : : TIA : The 3.4GHz has a few other improvements such as a larger L2 cache and some new processes, but for Office work, the 2.8GHz should be fine. Terry |