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Word 2007: Possible to create named bullet style?
I'm an experienced Word developer but have so far been unable to find a good
solution for bullet styles in Word 2007, even after spending a lot of time searching and researching. In Word 2003 I could quickly and easily define a named bullet style, add it to a template and have it work perfectly all the time. No lost bullets, no changed indentation settings - just working like you would expect of any style, bullet or not. Is it at all possible to define a _named_ bullet style in Word 2007 with the same reliable functionality as in previous versions? I have been able to define a bullet style in a template and it looks perfect at the time of creation. But the next time I use the template the bullet has disappeared and/or the indentation settings changed. I know I can manipulate list styles and multilevel lists and have actually used "Define new bullet..." to define a new and named bullet style. However, this type of style doesn't show up in the style list and though I'm able to select it from the multilevel list ribbon button, its style name isn't shown in the document either. It just shows the underlying style name, for example Normal. Therefore there is no way for the user to double check if the correct style has been applied. This isn't just nice to have in everyday Word use but in my application (producing magazine articles) it is important that every piece of text has a clearly named style since the document's next stop is InDesign where Word styles will be mapped to InDesign styles. Surely this must be possible? Willy |
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Word 2007: Possible to create named bullet style?
Apart from Home tab | Multilevel List (where, as you have noticed, the name
isn't listed), list styles are only accessible from the Apply Styles pane (Ctrl+Shift+S). Note, however, that you can attach paragraph styles to each level of a list style (yes, this approach to multilevel bullets/numbers is still recommended in Word 2007) and then apply the paragraph styles as appropriate. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message ... I'm an experienced Word developer but have so far been unable to find a good solution for bullet styles in Word 2007, even after spending a lot of time searching and researching. In Word 2003 I could quickly and easily define a named bullet style, add it to a template and have it work perfectly all the time. No lost bullets, no changed indentation settings - just working like you would expect of any style, bullet or not. Is it at all possible to define a _named_ bullet style in Word 2007 with the same reliable functionality as in previous versions? I have been able to define a bullet style in a template and it looks perfect at the time of creation. But the next time I use the template the bullet has disappeared and/or the indentation settings changed. I know I can manipulate list styles and multilevel lists and have actually used "Define new bullet..." to define a new and named bullet style. However, this type of style doesn't show up in the style list and though I'm able to select it from the multilevel list ribbon button, its style name isn't shown in the document either. It just shows the underlying style name, for example Normal. Therefore there is no way for the user to double check if the correct style has been applied. This isn't just nice to have in everyday Word use but in my application (producing magazine articles) it is important that every piece of text has a clearly named style since the document's next stop is InDesign where Word styles will be mapped to InDesign styles. Surely this must be possible? Willy |
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Thanks Stefan,
I wasn't aware of the "Link level to style" function in the multilevel bullets definition. So yesterday I created a new named multilevel bullet style, then created a new named paragraph style, then used "Link level to style" to attach level 1 of my multilevel bullet style to my new paragraph style. All this was done in a separate Word template. Everything looked beautiful and seemed to work exactly as I wanted. But today the bullet had disappeared from my paragraph style and when I looked up my multilevel bullet definition it was now linked to "(no style)". I now deleted my paragraph style, created a new one and again linked the bullet style to my new paragraph style. However, after saving the template and restarting Word 2007 the link had again disappeared! Looking at the definition of the paragraph style all the correct settings seem to be still there. But there seems to be no way to determine which bullet style a paragraph style is linked to. It displays the settings but doesn't show the name of my bullet style anywhere. Looking at the bullet style doesn't help much either. It also doesn't show in an easy way which paragraph style it has been linked to, unless you go all the way into the dialog boxes. But the main problem seems to be that the link I set up seems to disappear almost immediately. I hope you're not out of suggestions yet. :-) It's hard to imagine that this just doesn't work in Word 2007 anymore... Best, Willy "Stefan Blom" wrote: Apart from Home tab | Multilevel List (where, as you have noticed, the name isn't listed), list styles are only accessible from the Apply Styles pane (Ctrl+Shift+S). Note, however, that you can attach paragraph styles to each level of a list style (yes, this approach to multilevel bullets/numbers is still recommended in Word 2007) and then apply the paragraph styles as appropriate. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message ... I'm an experienced Word developer but have so far been unable to find a good solution for bullet styles in Word 2007, even after spending a lot of time searching and researching. In Word 2003 I could quickly and easily define a named bullet style, add it to a template and have it work perfectly all the time. No lost bullets, no changed indentation settings - just working like you would expect of any style, bullet or not. Is it at all possible to define a _named_ bullet style in Word 2007 with the same reliable functionality as in previous versions? I have been able to define a bullet style in a template and it looks perfect at the time of creation. But the next time I use the template the bullet has disappeared and/or the indentation settings changed. I know I can manipulate list styles and multilevel lists and have actually used "Define new bullet..." to define a new and named bullet style. However, this type of style doesn't show up in the style list and though I'm able to select it from the multilevel list ribbon button, its style name isn't shown in the document either. It just shows the underlying style name, for example Normal. Therefore there is no way for the user to double check if the correct style has been applied. This isn't just nice to have in everyday Word use but in my application (producing magazine articles) it is important that every piece of text has a clearly named style since the document's next stop is InDesign where Word styles will be mapped to InDesign styles. Surely this must be possible? Willy . |
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Word 2007: Possible to create named bullet style?
How exactly did you do this? Did you start in the Modify Style dialog box for
the list style? Also, note that if you modified the list style in a template, it should work in new documents based on that template. Existing documents, however, must be dealt with separately. Another thing to consider: When styles change unexpectedly, make sure the "Automatically update document styles" option is cleared in the Templates and Add-Ins dialog box. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message news Thanks Stefan, I wasn't aware of the "Link level to style" function in the multilevel bullets definition. So yesterday I created a new named multilevel bullet style, then created a new named paragraph style, then used "Link level to style" to attach level 1 of my multilevel bullet style to my new paragraph style. All this was done in a separate Word template. Everything looked beautiful and seemed to work exactly as I wanted. But today the bullet had disappeared from my paragraph style and when I looked up my multilevel bullet definition it was now linked to "(no style)". I now deleted my paragraph style, created a new one and again linked the bullet style to my new paragraph style. However, after saving the template and restarting Word 2007 the link had again disappeared! Looking at the definition of the paragraph style all the correct settings seem to be still there. But there seems to be no way to determine which bullet style a paragraph style is linked to. It displays the settings but doesn't show the name of my bullet style anywhere. Looking at the bullet style doesn't help much either. It also doesn't show in an easy way which paragraph style it has been linked to, unless you go all the way into the dialog boxes. But the main problem seems to be that the link I set up seems to disappear almost immediately. I hope you're not out of suggestions yet. :-) It's hard to imagine that this just doesn't work in Word 2007 anymore... Best, Willy "Stefan Blom" wrote: Apart from Home tab | Multilevel List (where, as you have noticed, the name isn't listed), list styles are only accessible from the Apply Styles pane (Ctrl+Shift+S). Note, however, that you can attach paragraph styles to each level of a list style (yes, this approach to multilevel bullets/numbers is still recommended in Word 2007) and then apply the paragraph styles as appropriate. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message ... I'm an experienced Word developer but have so far been unable to find a good solution for bullet styles in Word 2007, even after spending a lot of time searching and researching. In Word 2003 I could quickly and easily define a named bullet style, add it to a template and have it work perfectly all the time. No lost bullets, no changed indentation settings - just working like you would expect of any style, bullet or not. Is it at all possible to define a _named_ bullet style in Word 2007 with the same reliable functionality as in previous versions? I have been able to define a bullet style in a template and it looks perfect at the time of creation. But the next time I use the template the bullet has disappeared and/or the indentation settings changed. I know I can manipulate list styles and multilevel lists and have actually used "Define new bullet..." to define a new and named bullet style. However, this type of style doesn't show up in the style list and though I'm able to select it from the multilevel list ribbon button, its style name isn't shown in the document either. It just shows the underlying style name, for example Normal. Therefore there is no way for the user to double check if the correct style has been applied. This isn't just nice to have in everyday Word use but in my application (producing magazine articles) it is important that every piece of text has a clearly named style since the document's next stop is InDesign where Word styles will be mapped to InDesign styles. Surely this must be possible? Willy . |
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Word 2007: Possible to create named bullet style?
Hej Stefan,
Thanks for the time and patience you are spending on this! This is what I did: I opened my template and created a basic paragraph style, just based on what amounts to the Normal style in my template and waiting to be linked to my bullet style. I then clicked on the Multilevel List button in the ribbon and selected Define New List Style to define my new bullet style. I named this style and selected the bullet and indenting as I wanted, then linked it to my new paragraph style. I then saved the template and re-opened it. The bullet style is now no longer linked to the paragraph style. On the other hand, when I create a new document based on the template, the styles still ARE linked and for the moment things seem to work. But so they did a few days ago and then the bullet was lost again. Since the template is for a client I would like to be absolutely convinced that I'm delivering a robust solution. In Word 2003 this just worked, but in 2007 this area seems shaky. I would love to see the authoritative article on how to produce a robust named paragraph style for bullets... Best, Willy ------------------------ "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... How exactly did you do this? Did you start in the Modify Style dialog box for the list style? Also, note that if you modified the list style in a template, it should work in new documents based on that template. Existing documents, however, must be dealt with separately. Another thing to consider: When styles change unexpectedly, make sure the "Automatically update document styles" option is cleared in the Templates and Add-Ins dialog box. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message news Thanks Stefan, I wasn't aware of the "Link level to style" function in the multilevel bullets definition. So yesterday I created a new named multilevel bullet style, then created a new named paragraph style, then used "Link level to style" to attach level 1 of my multilevel bullet style to my new paragraph style. All this was done in a separate Word template. Everything looked beautiful and seemed to work exactly as I wanted. But today the bullet had disappeared from my paragraph style and when I looked up my multilevel bullet definition it was now linked to "(no style)". I now deleted my paragraph style, created a new one and again linked the bullet style to my new paragraph style. However, after saving the template and restarting Word 2007 the link had again disappeared! Looking at the definition of the paragraph style all the correct settings seem to be still there. But there seems to be no way to determine which bullet style a paragraph style is linked to. It displays the settings but doesn't show the name of my bullet style anywhere. Looking at the bullet style doesn't help much either. It also doesn't show in an easy way which paragraph style it has been linked to, unless you go all the way into the dialog boxes. But the main problem seems to be that the link I set up seems to disappear almost immediately. I hope you're not out of suggestions yet. :-) It's hard to imagine that this just doesn't work in Word 2007 anymore... Best, Willy "Stefan Blom" wrote: Apart from Home tab | Multilevel List (where, as you have noticed, the name isn't listed), list styles are only accessible from the Apply Styles pane (Ctrl+Shift+S). Note, however, that you can attach paragraph styles to each level of a list style (yes, this approach to multilevel bullets/numbers is still recommended in Word 2007) and then apply the paragraph styles as appropriate. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message ... I'm an experienced Word developer but have so far been unable to find a good solution for bullet styles in Word 2007, even after spending a lot of time searching and researching. In Word 2003 I could quickly and easily define a named bullet style, add it to a template and have it work perfectly all the time. No lost bullets, no changed indentation settings - just working like you would expect of any style, bullet or not. Is it at all possible to define a _named_ bullet style in Word 2007 with the same reliable functionality as in previous versions? I have been able to define a bullet style in a template and it looks perfect at the time of creation. But the next time I use the template the bullet has disappeared and/or the indentation settings changed. I know I can manipulate list styles and multilevel lists and have actually used "Define new bullet..." to define a new and named bullet style. However, this type of style doesn't show up in the style list and though I'm able to select it from the multilevel list ribbon button, its style name isn't shown in the document either. It just shows the underlying style name, for example Normal. Therefore there is no way for the user to double check if the correct style has been applied. This isn't just nice to have in everyday Word use but in my application (producing magazine articles) it is important that every piece of text has a clearly named style since the document's next stop is InDesign where Word styles will be mapped to InDesign styles. Surely this must be possible? Willy . --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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Word 2007: Possible to create named bullet style?
It does seem as if you are doing everything right... Where are you looking when you decide that the link between the list style and the paragraph style has broken? I'm wondering if the fact that a list style has nine levels of numbering could be relevant here. To which level did you assign the paragraph style? When you apply the list style to text, what happens? Same question if you apply the paragraph style directly? -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message ... Hej Stefan, Thanks for the time and patience you are spending on this! This is what I did: I opened my template and created a basic paragraph style, just based on what amounts to the Normal style in my template and waiting to be linked to my bullet style. I then clicked on the Multilevel List button in the ribbon and selected Define New List Style to define my new bullet style. I named this style and selected the bullet and indenting as I wanted, then linked it to my new paragraph style. I then saved the template and re-opened it. The bullet style is now no longer linked to the paragraph style. On the other hand, when I create a new document based on the template, the styles still ARE linked and for the moment things seem to work. But so they did a few days ago and then the bullet was lost again. Since the template is for a client I would like to be absolutely convinced that I'm delivering a robust solution. In Word 2003 this just worked, but in 2007 this area seems shaky. I would love to see the authoritative article on how to produce a robust named paragraph style for bullets... Best, Willy ------------------------ "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... How exactly did you do this? Did you start in the Modify Style dialog box for the list style? Also, note that if you modified the list style in a template, it should work in new documents based on that template. Existing documents, however, must be dealt with separately. Another thing to consider: When styles change unexpectedly, make sure the "Automatically update document styles" option is cleared in the Templates and Add-Ins dialog box. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message news Thanks Stefan, I wasn't aware of the "Link level to style" function in the multilevel bullets definition. So yesterday I created a new named multilevel bullet style, then created a new named paragraph style, then used "Link level to style" to attach level 1 of my multilevel bullet style to my new paragraph style. All this was done in a separate Word template. Everything looked beautiful and seemed to work exactly as I wanted. But today the bullet had disappeared from my paragraph style and when I looked up my multilevel bullet definition it was now linked to "(no style)". I now deleted my paragraph style, created a new one and again linked the bullet style to my new paragraph style. However, after saving the template and restarting Word 2007 the link had again disappeared! Looking at the definition of the paragraph style all the correct settings seem to be still there. But there seems to be no way to determine which bullet style a paragraph style is linked to. It displays the settings but doesn't show the name of my bullet style anywhere. Looking at the bullet style doesn't help much either. It also doesn't show in an easy way which paragraph style it has been linked to, unless you go all the way into the dialog boxes. But the main problem seems to be that the link I set up seems to disappear almost immediately. I hope you're not out of suggestions yet. :-) It's hard to imagine that this just doesn't work in Word 2007 anymore... Best, Willy "Stefan Blom" wrote: Apart from Home tab | Multilevel List (where, as you have noticed, the name isn't listed), list styles are only accessible from the Apply Styles pane (Ctrl+Shift+S). Note, however, that you can attach paragraph styles to each level of a list style (yes, this approach to multilevel bullets/numbers is still recommended in Word 2007) and then apply the paragraph styles as appropriate. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message ... I'm an experienced Word developer but have so far been unable to find a good solution for bullet styles in Word 2007, even after spending a lot of time searching and researching. In Word 2003 I could quickly and easily define a named bullet style, add it to a template and have it work perfectly all the time. No lost bullets, no changed indentation settings - just working like you would expect of any style, bullet or not. Is it at all possible to define a _named_ bullet style in Word 2007 with the same reliable functionality as in previous versions? I have been able to define a bullet style in a template and it looks perfect at the time of creation. But the next time I use the template the bullet has disappeared and/or the indentation settings changed. I know I can manipulate list styles and multilevel lists and have actually used "Define new bullet..." to define a new and named bullet style. However, this type of style doesn't show up in the style list and though I'm able to select it from the multilevel list ribbon button, its style name isn't shown in the document either. It just shows the underlying style name, for example Normal. Therefore there is no way for the user to double check if the correct style has been applied. This isn't just nice to have in everyday Word use but in my application (producing magazine articles) it is important that every piece of text has a clearly named style since the document's next stop is InDesign where Word styles will be mapped to InDesign styles. Surely this must be possible? Willy . --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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How exactly did you do this? Did you start in the Modify Style dialog box for
the list style? Also, note that if you modified the list style in a template, it should work in new documents based on that template. Existing documents, however, must be dealt with separately. Another thing to consider: When styles change unexpectedly, make sure the "Automatically update document styles" option is cleared in the Templates and Add-Ins dialog box. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message news Thanks Stefan, I wasn't aware of the "Link level to style" function in the multilevel bullets definition. So yesterday I created a new named multilevel bullet style, then created a new named paragraph style, then used "Link level to style" to attach level 1 of my multilevel bullet style to my new paragraph style. All this was done in a separate Word template. Everything looked beautiful and seemed to work exactly as I wanted. But today the bullet had disappeared from my paragraph style and when I looked up my multilevel bullet definition it was now linked to "(no style)". I now deleted my paragraph style, created a new one and again linked the bullet style to my new paragraph style. However, after saving the template and restarting Word 2007 the link had again disappeared! Looking at the definition of the paragraph style all the correct settings seem to be still there. But there seems to be no way to determine which bullet style a paragraph style is linked to. It displays the settings but doesn't show the name of my bullet style anywhere. Looking at the bullet style doesn't help much either. It also doesn't show in an easy way which paragraph style it has been linked to, unless you go all the way into the dialog boxes. But the main problem seems to be that the link I set up seems to disappear almost immediately. I hope you're not out of suggestions yet. :-) It's hard to imagine that this just doesn't work in Word 2007 anymore... Best, Willy "Stefan Blom" wrote: Apart from Home tab | Multilevel List (where, as you have noticed, the name isn't listed), list styles are only accessible from the Apply Styles pane (Ctrl+Shift+S). Note, however, that you can attach paragraph styles to each level of a list style (yes, this approach to multilevel bullets/numbers is still recommended in Word 2007) and then apply the paragraph styles as appropriate. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message ... I'm an experienced Word developer but have so far been unable to find a good solution for bullet styles in Word 2007, even after spending a lot of time searching and researching. In Word 2003 I could quickly and easily define a named bullet style, add it to a template and have it work perfectly all the time. No lost bullets, no changed indentation settings - just working like you would expect of any style, bullet or not. Is it at all possible to define a _named_ bullet style in Word 2007 with the same reliable functionality as in previous versions? I have been able to define a bullet style in a template and it looks perfect at the time of creation. But the next time I use the template the bullet has disappeared and/or the indentation settings changed. I know I can manipulate list styles and multilevel lists and have actually used "Define new bullet..." to define a new and named bullet style. However, this type of style doesn't show up in the style list and though I'm able to select it from the multilevel list ribbon button, its style name isn't shown in the document either. It just shows the underlying style name, for example Normal. Therefore there is no way for the user to double check if the correct style has been applied. This isn't just nice to have in everyday Word use but in my application (producing magazine articles) it is important that every piece of text has a clearly named style since the document's next stop is InDesign where Word styles will be mapped to InDesign styles. Surely this must be possible? Willy . |
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Thanks Stefan, I wasn't aware of the "Link level to style" function in the multilevel bullets definition. So yesterday I created a new named multilevel bullet style, then created a new named paragraph style, then used "Link level to style" to attach level 1 of my multilevel bullet style to my new paragraph style. All this was done in a separate Word template. Everything looked beautiful and seemed to work exactly as I wanted. But today the bullet had disappeared from my paragraph style and when I looked up my multilevel bullet definition it was now linked to "(no style)". I now deleted my paragraph style, created a new one and again linked the bullet style to my new paragraph style. However, after saving the template and restarting Word 2007 the link had again disappeared! Looking at the definition of the paragraph style all the correct settings seem to be still there. But there seems to be no way to determine which bullet style a paragraph style is linked to. It displays the settings but doesn't show the name of my bullet style anywhere. Looking at the bullet style doesn't help much either. It also doesn't show in an easy way which paragraph style it has been linked to, unless you go all the way into the dialog boxes. But the main problem seems to be that the link I set up seems to disappear almost immediately. I hope you're not out of suggestions yet. :-) It's hard to imagine that this just doesn't work in Word 2007 anymore... Best, Willy "Stefan Blom" wrote: Apart from Home tab | Multilevel List (where, as you have noticed, the name isn't listed), list styles are only accessible from the Apply Styles pane (Ctrl+Shift+S). Note, however, that you can attach paragraph styles to each level of a list style (yes, this approach to multilevel bullets/numbers is still recommended in Word 2007) and then apply the paragraph styles as appropriate. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message ... I'm an experienced Word developer but have so far been unable to find a good solution for bullet styles in Word 2007, even after spending a lot of time searching and researching. In Word 2003 I could quickly and easily define a named bullet style, add it to a template and have it work perfectly all the time. No lost bullets, no changed indentation settings - just working like you would expect of any style, bullet or not. Is it at all possible to define a _named_ bullet style in Word 2007 with the same reliable functionality as in previous versions? I have been able to define a bullet style in a template and it looks perfect at the time of creation. But the next time I use the template the bullet has disappeared and/or the indentation settings changed. I know I can manipulate list styles and multilevel lists and have actually used "Define new bullet..." to define a new and named bullet style. However, this type of style doesn't show up in the style list and though I'm able to select it from the multilevel list ribbon button, its style name isn't shown in the document either. It just shows the underlying style name, for example Normal. Therefore there is no way for the user to double check if the correct style has been applied. This isn't just nice to have in everyday Word use but in my application (producing magazine articles) it is important that every piece of text has a clearly named style since the document's next stop is InDesign where Word styles will be mapped to InDesign styles. Surely this must be possible? Willy . |
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Apart from Home tab | Multilevel List (where, as you have noticed, the name
isn't listed), list styles are only accessible from the Apply Styles pane (Ctrl+Shift+S). Note, however, that you can attach paragraph styles to each level of a list style (yes, this approach to multilevel bullets/numbers is still recommended in Word 2007) and then apply the paragraph styles as appropriate. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP (Message posted via NNTP) "Willy" wrote in message ... I'm an experienced Word developer but have so far been unable to find a good solution for bullet styles in Word 2007, even after spending a lot of time searching and researching. In Word 2003 I could quickly and easily define a named bullet style, add it to a template and have it work perfectly all the time. No lost bullets, no changed indentation settings - just working like you would expect of any style, bullet or not. Is it at all possible to define a _named_ bullet style in Word 2007 with the same reliable functionality as in previous versions? I have been able to define a bullet style in a template and it looks perfect at the time of creation. But the next time I use the template the bullet has disappeared and/or the indentation settings changed. I know I can manipulate list styles and multilevel lists and have actually used "Define new bullet..." to define a new and named bullet style. However, this type of style doesn't show up in the style list and though I'm able to select it from the multilevel list ribbon button, its style name isn't shown in the document either. It just shows the underlying style name, for example Normal. Therefore there is no way for the user to double check if the correct style has been applied. This isn't just nice to have in everyday Word use but in my application (producing magazine articles) it is important that every piece of text has a clearly named style since the document's next stop is InDesign where Word styles will be mapped to InDesign styles. Surely this must be possible? Willy |
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