[EditorRS]

As editor of a technical publication, I receive Word documents (in .doc
format) from all over the world. I often receive Word documents from
countries outside the US in which the font is Times New Roman, 12 pt, with
Paragraph spacing Before and After set to 0 pt and Line spacing set to
single, but in which the actual line spacing (the leading) is a significant
fraction of a point larger than for the same text with the same settings in a
US version of Word. This seems to happen most often with documents from Asian
countries. I have tried changing all of the settings I can find to get the
leading to match the US leading, without success. I have found only two ways
I can get the leading to be set back to the US Word leading. The first is to
save the Word document as text (e.g., MS-DOS text), and then import it back
into a new Word document and reapply all of the formatting (which, for a
document with a lot of equations, is a real pain!). The second method is to
copy "chunks" of text from the foreign Word document into a new US Word
document, being careful not to copy too much (less than a page long seems to
be the maximum that works) and being careful not to copy the space (and thus
the hidden formatting information) at the end of the last paragraph (copying
too much or copying that hidden formatting information will cause the wider
leading to show up in the new document). No amount of changing styles; nor
any of the options I've tried under Tools...Options...Compatibility; nor any
of the options under Format...Font or Format...paragraph seem to have any
effect on this.

What sounds like a similar problem was described by BelD@UWA on 1/15/2009 in
this forum, but none of the responses appeared to solve the problem.

The best clue I can offer to what might be the source of the problem is that
I have observed the increased leading coming from countries using the Asian
versions of Word, but generally not from European or Middle Eastern versions.
My conjecture is that the default for single space in Times New Roman in the
Asian version of Word involves larger leading than for the US version of
Word. Regardless, I can't seem to find any way of correcting the problem. I
would greatly appreciate any help or suggestions.

[grammatim[_2_]]

Use "Exactly" rather than "Single" for your line spacing.

On Jan 23, 7:12*pm, EditorRS
wrote:
As editor of a technical publication, I receive Word documents (in .doc *
format) from all over the world. I often receive Word documents from
countries outside the US in which the font is Times New Roman, 12 pt, with
Paragraph spacing Before and After set to 0 pt and Line spacing set to
single, but in which the actual line spacing (the leading) is a significant *
fraction of a point larger than for the same text with the same settings in a
US version of Word. This seems to happen most often with documents from Asian
countries. I have tried changing all of the settings I can find to get the
leading to match the US leading, without success. I have found only two ways
I can get the leading to be set back to the US Word leading. The first is to
save the Word document as text (e.g., MS-DOS text), and then import it back
into a new Word document and reapply all of the formatting (which, for a
document with a lot of equations, is a real pain!). The second method is to
copy "chunks" of text from the foreign Word document into a new US Word
document, being careful not to copy too much (less than a page long seems to
be the maximum that works) and being careful not to copy the space (and thus
the hidden formatting information) at the end of the last paragraph (copying
too much or copying that hidden formatting information will cause the wider
leading to show up in the new document). No amount of changing styles; nor
any of the options I've tried under Tools...Options...Compatibility; nor any
of the options under Format...Font *or Format...paragraph seem to have any
effect on this.

What sounds like a similar problem was described by BelD@UWA on 1/15/2009 in
this forum, but none of the responses appeared to solve the problem.

The best clue I can offer to what might be the source of the problem is that
I have observed the increased leading coming from countries using the Asian
versions of Word, but generally not from European or Middle Eastern versions.
My conjecture is that the default for single space in Times New Roman in the
Asian version of Word involves larger leading than for the US version of
Word. Regardless, I can't seem to find any way of correcting the problem. I
would greatly appreciate any help or suggestions.

[EditorRS]

Using "exactly" sets the leading to a fixed value, but not to the default
value for US Word documents. It also doesn't allow the leading to vary when
superscripts, subscripts, or MathType objects (for example) are inserted.
What I need is a way to get the "single" value of leading to default back to
the US value, rather than the value associated with whatever country the
document originally came from. Again, I'd appreciate your help.

"grammatim" wrote:

Use "Exactly" rather than "Single" for your line spacing.

On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
As editor of a technical publication, I receive Word documents (in .doc
format) from all over the world. I often receive Word documents from
countries outside the US in which the font is Times New Roman, 12 pt, with
Paragraph spacing Before and After set to 0 pt and Line spacing set to
single, but in which the actual line spacing (the leading) is a significant
fraction of a point larger than for the same text with the same settings in a
US version of Word. This seems to happen most often with documents from Asian
countries. I have tried changing all of the settings I can find to get the
leading to match the US leading, without success. I have found only two ways
I can get the leading to be set back to the US Word leading. The first is to
save the Word document as text (e.g., MS-DOS text), and then import it back
into a new Word document and reapply all of the formatting (which, for a
document with a lot of equations, is a real pain!). The second method is to
copy "chunks" of text from the foreign Word document into a new US Word
document, being careful not to copy too much (less than a page long seems to
be the maximum that works) and being careful not to copy the space (and thus
the hidden formatting information) at the end of the last paragraph (copying
too much or copying that hidden formatting information will cause the wider
leading to show up in the new document). No amount of changing styles; nor
any of the options I've tried under Tools...Options...Compatibility; nor any
of the options under Format...Font or Format...paragraph seem to have any
effect on this.

What sounds like a similar problem was described by BelD@UWA on 1/15/2009 in
this forum, but none of the responses appeared to solve the problem.

The best clue I can offer to what might be the source of the problem is that
I have observed the increased leading coming from countries using the Asian
versions of Word, but generally not from European or Middle Eastern versions.
My conjecture is that the default for single space in Times New Roman in the
Asian version of Word involves larger leading than for the US version of
Word. Regardless, I can't seem to find any way of correcting the problem. I
would greatly appreciate any help or suggestions.

[grammatim[_2_]]

There's no "default" value. The line spacing under Single changes
according to the fonts that happen to be in use in any individual
line. And there's no reason that would change in different countries,
if they use the same font.

In professional typesetting, you don't want variable line spacing with
superscripts and subscripts; you want sufficient leading that such
items don't look crowded.

On Jan 25, 6:18*pm, EditorRS
wrote:
Using "exactly" sets the leading to a fixed value, but not to the default
value for US Word documents. It also doesn't allow the leading to vary when
superscripts, subscripts, or MathType objects (for example) are inserted.
What I need is a way to get the "single" value of leading to default back to
the US value, rather than the value associated with whatever country the
document originally came from. Again, I'd appreciate your help.



"grammatim" wrote:
Use "Exactly" rather than "Single" for your line spacing.

On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
As editor of a technical publication, I receive Word documents (in .doc *
format) from all over the world. I often receive Word documents from
countries outside the US in which the font is Times New Roman, 12 pt, with
Paragraph spacing Before and After set to 0 pt and Line spacing set to
single, but in which the actual line spacing (the leading) is a significant *
fraction of a point larger than for the same text with the same settings in a
US version of Word. This seems to happen most often with documents from Asian
countries. I have tried changing all of the settings I can find to get the
leading to match the US leading, without success. I have found only two ways
I can get the leading to be set back to the US Word leading. The first is to
save the Word document as text (e.g., MS-DOS text), and then import it back
into a new Word document and reapply all of the formatting (which, for a
document with a lot of equations, is a real pain!). The second method is to
copy "chunks" of text from the foreign Word document into a new US Word
document, being careful not to copy too much (less than a page long seems to
be the maximum that works) and being careful not to copy the space (and thus
the hidden formatting information) at the end of the last paragraph (copying
too much or copying that hidden formatting information will cause the wider
leading to show up in the new document). No amount of changing styles; nor
any of the options I've tried under Tools...Options...Compatibility; nor any
of the options under Format...Font *or Format...paragraph seem to have any
effect on this.

What sounds like a similar problem was described by BelD@UWA on 1/15/2009 in
this forum, but none of the responses appeared to solve the problem.

The best clue I can offer to what might be the source of the problem is that
I have observed the increased leading coming from countries using the Asian
versions of Word, but generally not from European or Middle Eastern versions.
My conjecture is that the default for single space in Times New Roman in the
Asian version of Word involves larger leading than for the US version of
Word. Regardless, I can't seem to find any way of correcting the problem. I
would greatly appreciate any help or suggestions.-

[Tony Jollans]

I'm sure grammatim knows more than I about this, but, beyond explicit line
spacing, leading is built into the fonts, and line spacing will be
determined by the largest characters (including leading) in the text.
Styling in Word has distinct properties for Western and Asian text, so my
suspicion is that you have some characters deemed Asian that are forcing
this. This is all guesswork but make sure that all text is set to be English
and/or amend the styling of Asian fonts applied to the text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"grammatim" wrote in message
...
There's no "default" value. The line spacing under Single changes
according to the fonts that happen to be in use in any individual
line. And there's no reason that would change in different countries,
if they use the same font.

In professional typesetting, you don't want variable line spacing with
superscripts and subscripts; you want sufficient leading that such
items don't look crowded.

On Jan 25, 6:18 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
Using "exactly" sets the leading to a fixed value, but not to the default
value for US Word documents. It also doesn't allow the leading to vary
when
superscripts, subscripts, or MathType objects (for example) are inserted.
What I need is a way to get the "single" value of leading to default back
to
the US value, rather than the value associated with whatever country the
document originally came from. Again, I'd appreciate your help.



"grammatim" wrote:
Use "Exactly" rather than "Single" for your line spacing.

On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
As editor of a technical publication, I receive Word documents (in
.doc
format) from all over the world. I often receive Word documents from
countries outside the US in which the font is Times New Roman, 12 pt,
with
Paragraph spacing Before and After set to 0 pt and Line spacing set to
single, but in which the actual line spacing (the leading) is a
significant
fraction of a point larger than for the same text with the same
settings in a
US version of Word. This seems to happen most often with documents
from Asian
countries. I have tried changing all of the settings I can find to get
the
leading to match the US leading, without success. I have found only
two ways
I can get the leading to be set back to the US Word leading. The first
is to
save the Word document as text (e.g., MS-DOS text), and then import it
back
into a new Word document and reapply all of the formatting (which, for
a
document with a lot of equations, is a real pain!). The second method
is to
copy "chunks" of text from the foreign Word document into a new US
Word
document, being careful not to copy too much (less than a page long
seems to
be the maximum that works) and being careful not to copy the space
(and thus
the hidden formatting information) at the end of the last paragraph
(copying
too much or copying that hidden formatting information will cause the
wider
leading to show up in the new document). No amount of changing styles;
nor
any of the options I've tried under Tools...Options...Compatibility;
nor any
of the options under Format...Font or Format...paragraph seem to have
any
effect on this.

What sounds like a similar problem was described by BelD@UWA on
1/15/2009 in
this forum, but none of the responses appeared to solve the problem.

The best clue I can offer to what might be the source of the problem
is that
I have observed the increased leading coming from countries using the
Asian
versions of Word, but generally not from European or Middle Eastern
versions.
My conjecture is that the default for single space in Times New Roman
in the
Asian version of Word involves larger leading than for the US version
of
Word. Regardless, I can't seem to find any way of correcting the
problem. I
would greatly appreciate any help or suggestions.-

[EditorRS]

Dear Tony,

Thank you! I think you may be onto something here. The leading is indeed
determined by the font. What is frustrating is that I can select a paragraph
of text, Word shows that it is all Times New Roman (by showing that in the
font box on the Formatting Toolbar), and yet the leading remains greater than
for Times New Roman created on "Western" version of Word. Is there a
difference between the Times New Roman fonts installed with Asian and Western
versions of Word? I guess the other way of diagnosing this would be if there
is some way to search for all fonts in a document that are not a given font
(e.g., Times New Roman). Does anyone know how to do that?

I appreciate the help. Thank you!



"Tony Jollans" wrote:

I'm sure grammatim knows more than I about this, but, beyond explicit line
spacing, leading is built into the fonts, and line spacing will be
determined by the largest characters (including leading) in the text.
Styling in Word has distinct properties for Western and Asian text, so my
suspicion is that you have some characters deemed Asian that are forcing
this. This is all guesswork but make sure that all text is set to be English
and/or amend the styling of Asian fonts applied to the text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"grammatim" wrote in message
...
There's no "default" value. The line spacing under Single changes
according to the fonts that happen to be in use in any individual
line. And there's no reason that would change in different countries,
if they use the same font.

In professional typesetting, you don't want variable line spacing with
superscripts and subscripts; you want sufficient leading that such
items don't look crowded.

On Jan 25, 6:18 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
Using "exactly" sets the leading to a fixed value, but not to the default
value for US Word documents. It also doesn't allow the leading to vary
when
superscripts, subscripts, or MathType objects (for example) are inserted.
What I need is a way to get the "single" value of leading to default back
to
the US value, rather than the value associated with whatever country the
document originally came from. Again, I'd appreciate your help.



"grammatim" wrote:
Use "Exactly" rather than "Single" for your line spacing.

On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
As editor of a technical publication, I receive Word documents (in
.doc
format) from all over the world. I often receive Word documents from
countries outside the US in which the font is Times New Roman, 12 pt,
with
Paragraph spacing Before and After set to 0 pt and Line spacing set to
single, but in which the actual line spacing (the leading) is a
significant
fraction of a point larger than for the same text with the same
settings in a
US version of Word. This seems to happen most often with documents
from Asian
countries. I have tried changing all of the settings I can find to get
the
leading to match the US leading, without success. I have found only
two ways
I can get the leading to be set back to the US Word leading. The first
is to
save the Word document as text (e.g., MS-DOS text), and then import it
back
into a new Word document and reapply all of the formatting (which, for
a
document with a lot of equations, is a real pain!). The second method
is to
copy "chunks" of text from the foreign Word document into a new US
Word
document, being careful not to copy too much (less than a page long
seems to
be the maximum that works) and being careful not to copy the space
(and thus
the hidden formatting information) at the end of the last paragraph
(copying
too much or copying that hidden formatting information will cause the
wider
leading to show up in the new document). No amount of changing styles;
nor
any of the options I've tried under Tools...Options...Compatibility;
nor any
of the options under Format...Font or Format...paragraph seem to have
any
effect on this.

What sounds like a similar problem was described by BelD@UWA on
1/15/2009 in
this forum, but none of the responses appeared to solve the problem.

The best clue I can offer to what might be the source of the problem
is that
I have observed the increased leading coming from countries using the
Asian
versions of Word, but generally not from European or Middle Eastern
versions.
My conjecture is that the default for single space in Times New Roman
in the
Asian version of Word involves larger leading than for the US version
of
Word. Regardless, I can't seem to find any way of correcting the
problem. I
would greatly appreciate any help or suggestions.-

[grammatim[_2_]]

Search for Times New Roman, and if it Finds less than the entire
document, the point where the Times leaves off is where there's some
other font.

Be sure also to verify that you have the same _size_ throughout your
paragraph. (If the Size window is blank when you select a paragraph,
then at least one character is a different size, probably a space.)

On Jan 31, 3:24*pm, EditorRS
wrote:
Dear Tony,

Thank you! I think you may be onto something here. The leading is indeed
determined by the font. What is frustrating is that I can select a paragraph
of text, Word shows that it is all Times New Roman (by showing that in the
font box on the Formatting Toolbar), and yet the leading remains greater than
for Times New Roman created on "Western" version of Word. Is there a
difference between the Times New Roman fonts installed with Asian and Western
versions of Word? I guess the other way of diagnosing this would be if there
is some way to search for all fonts in a document that are not a given font
(e.g., Times New Roman). Does anyone know how to do that?

I appreciate the help. Thank you!



"Tony Jollans" wrote:
I'm sure grammatim knows more than I about this, but, beyond explicit line
spacing, leading is built into the fonts, and line spacing will be
determined by the largest characters (including leading) in the text.
Styling in Word has distinct properties for Western and Asian text, so my
suspicion is that you have some characters deemed Asian that are forcing
this. This is all guesswork but make sure that all text is set to be English
and/or amend the styling of Asian fonts applied to the text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

*www.WordArticles.com

"grammatim" wrote in message
....
There's no "default" value. The line spacing under Single changes
according to the fonts that happen to be in use in any individual
line. And there's no reason that would change in different countries,
if they use the same font.

In professional typesetting, you don't want variable line spacing with
superscripts and subscripts; you want sufficient leading that such
items don't look crowded.

On Jan 25, 6:18 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
Using "exactly" sets the leading to a fixed value, but not to the default
value for US Word documents. It also doesn't allow the leading to vary
when
superscripts, subscripts, or MathType objects (for example) are inserted.
What I need is a way to get the "single" value of leading to default back
to
the US value, rather than the value associated with whatever country the
document originally came from. Again, I'd appreciate your help.

"grammatim" wrote:
Use "Exactly" rather than "Single" for your line spacing.

On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
As editor of a technical publication, I receive Word documents (in
.doc
format) from all over the world. I often receive Word documents from
countries outside the US in which the font is Times New Roman, 12 pt,
with
Paragraph spacing Before and After set to 0 pt and Line spacing set to
single, but in which the actual line spacing (the leading) is a
significant
fraction of a point larger than for the same text with the same
settings in a
US version of Word. This seems to happen most often with documents
from Asian
countries. I have tried changing all of the settings I can find to get
the
leading to match the US leading, without success. I have found only
two ways
I can get the leading to be set back to the US Word leading. The first
is to
save the Word document as text (e.g., MS-DOS text), and then import it
back
into a new Word document and reapply all of the formatting (which, for
a
document with a lot of equations, is a real pain!). The second method
is to
copy "chunks" of text from the foreign Word document into a new US
Word
document, being careful not to copy too much (less than a page long
seems to
be the maximum that works) and being careful not to copy the space
(and thus
the hidden formatting information) at the end of the last paragraph
(copying
too much or copying that hidden formatting information will cause the
wider
leading to show up in the new document). No amount of changing styles;
nor
any of the options I've tried under Tools...Options...Compatibility;
nor any
of the options under Format...Font or Format...paragraph seem to have
any
effect on this.

What sounds like a similar problem was described by BelD@UWA on
1/15/2009 in
this forum, but none of the responses appeared to solve the problem.

The best clue I can offer to what might be the source of the problem
is that
I have observed the increased leading coming from countries using the
Asian
versions of Word, but generally not from European or Middle Eastern
versions.
My conjecture is that the default for single space in Times New Roman
in the
Asian version of Word involves larger leading than for the US version
of
Word. Regardless, I can't seem to find any way of correcting the
problem. I
would greatly appreciate any help or suggestions.--

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Actually, don't count on the blanking of any window to indicate variant
formatting. Anytime a selection is longer than some vaguely defined length,
Word blanks such settings.

Also, if you use the Symbol dialog to insert a character from a symbol (pi,
dingbat, "decorative") font, Word will still display the default paragraph
font for that character. In the good old days you could toggle fields and
see that this was actually a Symbol field specifying the font, but now this
is hidden (so that the process is "transparent to the user"--such
paradoxical language!), but it is still a covert field. The purpose of this
is to keep it from being converted when the font of the rest of the text is
changed, so of course it is (perversely in this case) unaffected by Ctrl+A,
change font.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"grammatim" wrote in message
...
Search for Times New Roman, and if it Finds less than the entire
document, the point where the Times leaves off is where there's some
other font.

Be sure also to verify that you have the same _size_ throughout your
paragraph. (If the Size window is blank when you select a paragraph,
then at least one character is a different size, probably a space.)

On Jan 31, 3:24 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
Dear Tony,

Thank you! I think you may be onto something here. The leading is indeed
determined by the font. What is frustrating is that I can select a
paragraph
of text, Word shows that it is all Times New Roman (by showing that in the
font box on the Formatting Toolbar), and yet the leading remains greater
than
for Times New Roman created on "Western" version of Word. Is there a
difference between the Times New Roman fonts installed with Asian and
Western
versions of Word? I guess the other way of diagnosing this would be if
there
is some way to search for all fonts in a document that are not a given
font
(e.g., Times New Roman). Does anyone know how to do that?

I appreciate the help. Thank you!



"Tony Jollans" wrote:
I'm sure grammatim knows more than I about this, but, beyond explicit
line
spacing, leading is built into the fonts, and line spacing will be
determined by the largest characters (including leading) in the text.
Styling in Word has distinct properties for Western and Asian text, so
my
suspicion is that you have some characters deemed Asian that are forcing
this. This is all guesswork but make sure that all text is set to be
English
and/or amend the styling of Asian fonts applied to the text.

--
Enjoy,
Tony

www.WordArticles.com

"grammatim" wrote in message
...
There's no "default" value. The line spacing under Single changes
according to the fonts that happen to be in use in any individual
line. And there's no reason that would change in different countries,
if they use the same font.

In professional typesetting, you don't want variable line spacing with
superscripts and subscripts; you want sufficient leading that such
items don't look crowded.

On Jan 25, 6:18 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
Using "exactly" sets the leading to a fixed value, but not to the
default
value for US Word documents. It also doesn't allow the leading to vary
when
superscripts, subscripts, or MathType objects (for example) are
inserted.
What I need is a way to get the "single" value of leading to default
back
to
the US value, rather than the value associated with whatever country
the
document originally came from. Again, I'd appreciate your help.

"grammatim" wrote:
Use "Exactly" rather than "Single" for your line spacing.

On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, EditorRS
wrote:
As editor of a technical publication, I receive Word documents (in
.doc
format) from all over the world. I often receive Word documents
from
countries outside the US in which the font is Times New Roman, 12
pt,
with
Paragraph spacing Before and After set to 0 pt and Line spacing
set to
single, but in which the actual line spacing (the leading) is a
significant
fraction of a point larger than for the same text with the same
settings in a
US version of Word. This seems to happen most often with documents
from Asian
countries. I have tried changing all of the settings I can find to
get
the
leading to match the US leading, without success. I have found
only
two ways
I can get the leading to be set back to the US Word leading. The
first
is to
save the Word document as text (e.g., MS-DOS text), and then
import it
back
into a new Word document and reapply all of the formatting (which,
for
a
document with a lot of equations, is a real pain!). The second
method
is to
copy "chunks" of text from the foreign Word document into a new US
Word
document, being careful not to copy too much (less than a page
long
seems to
be the maximum that works) and being careful not to copy the space
(and thus
the hidden formatting information) at the end of the last
paragraph
(copying
too much or copying that hidden formatting information will cause
the
wider
leading to show up in the new document). No amount of changing
styles;
nor
any of the options I've tried under
Tools...Options...Compatibility;
nor any
of the options under Format...Font or Format...paragraph seem to
have
any
effect on this.

What sounds like a similar problem was described by BelD@UWA on
1/15/2009 in
this forum, but none of the responses appeared to solve the
problem.

The best clue I can offer to what might be the source of the
problem
is that
I have observed the increased leading coming from countries using
the
Asian
versions of Word, but generally not from European or Middle
Eastern
versions.
My conjecture is that the default for single space in Times New
Roman
in the
Asian version of Word involves larger leading than for the US
version
of
Word. Regardless, I can't seem to find any way of correcting the
problem. I
would greatly appreciate any help or suggestions.--