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Creating Web Pages using Word
I'm a Mac user - I have Office 2004, I guess that means nothing to PC
users, but I use Word to create web pages, and will do so until I can get something good and proper. I would use FrontPage except there is no Mac version. This may just be a Mac thing, but no matter what font I choose, some letters appear screwed up ....I 've tried a number of fonts. I would like to use Arial or Veranda but no success. Nor any luck with Comic Sans or Helvetica ( I think thats a Mac font). Can nayone suggest a web/Word/Mac friendly font? Ideas? Suggestions? And yes, I am saving up for Dreamwaver thanks! |
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I edited a friend's site one afternoon with Word. Pee-eww! - that really
..... um, well, it's sucks like a Kirby! But I can tell you her fonts were okay. There are a few fonts that are considered "web-safe". Comic is one of them. And Helvetica/Arial is too. No clue why yours got all boogered up. My advice would be to hold off creating websites until you can get something else. If you have to use Word, then maybe it's a Mac thing. Did you check with the web host? -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] wrote in message ups.com... I'm a Mac user - I have Office 2004, I guess that means nothing to PC users, but I use Word to create web pages, and will do so until I can get something good and proper. I would use FrontPage except there is no Mac version. This may just be a Mac thing, but no matter what font I choose, some letters appear screwed up ....I 've tried a number of fonts. I would like to use Arial or Veranda but no success. Nor any luck with Comic Sans or Helvetica ( I think thats a Mac font). Can nayone suggest a web/Word/Mac friendly font? Ideas? Suggestions? And yes, I am saving up for Dreamwaver thanks! |
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You can download a trial copy of Microsoft Expression here
http://www.microsoft.com/products/ex...downloads.aspx This is as good as you can get for creating your web requirements. -- Terry Farrell - Word MVP http://word.mvps.org/ wrote in message ups.com... I'm a Mac user - I have Office 2004, I guess that means nothing to PC users, but I use Word to create web pages, and will do so until I can get something good and proper. I would use FrontPage except there is no Mac version. This may just be a Mac thing, but no matter what font I choose, some letters appear screwed up ....I 've tried a number of fonts. I would like to use Arial or Veranda but no success. Nor any luck with Comic Sans or Helvetica ( I think thats a Mac font). Can nayone suggest a web/Word/Mac friendly font? Ideas? Suggestions? And yes, I am saving up for Dreamwaver thanks! |
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Robert wrote:
Have a look at http://cvs.nvu.com/index.php: "Nvu (pronounced N-view) Finally! A complete Web Authoring System for Linux desktop users as well as Microsoft Windows and Macintosh users to rival programs like FrontPage and Dreamweaver. Nvu (which stands for "new view") makes managing a web site a snap. Now anyone can create web pages and manage a website with no technical expertise or knowledge of HTML." Nvu is free and open source. .... CAUTION: NVU has been stranded for almost two years now. It IS good for basic html, but ... beware the more complex functions. Before you use it, go to their forum and read up on it. There's also a list of bugs someplace on the site - well worth your time. It's no Dreamweaver or Fusion, but it is usable for the most part. Do not use its ftp abilities for uploading; it's buggy; use your own ftp program. And don't be too surprised that it rewrites and reformats the code you write and numbers lines improperly. If it's design is "alive" again, great; otherwise I'd stay away from NVU unless you're still learning HTML. YOu'll also want tidy.exe to go with it. HTH Pop` |
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To be honest, I personally never used Nvu. I suggested it only because it is free, Mac compatible, and some people seem to be quite happy with it. As far as I am concerned, I would never use a WYSIWYG application to create a Web page. All the WYSIWYG applications that I tried in the past create Web pages with tons of unnecessary extra code. I am probably slightly obsessional about this, but I like my code to be neat and tidy. I only use a pure text editor with a clipboard utility to paste ready-made HTML tags and code snippets. You only have to know or learn which code to use to achieve the desired effect... -- Cheers Robert On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:47:56 -0400, Pop` wrote: ... CAUTION: NVU has been stranded for almost two years now. It IS good for basic html, but ... beware the more complex functions. Before you use it, go to their forum and read up on it. There's also a list of bugs someplace on the site - well worth your time. It's no Dreamweaver or Fusion, but it is usable for the most part. Do not use its ftp abilities for uploading; it's buggy; use your own ftp program. And don't be too surprised that it rewrites and reformats the code you write and numbers lines improperly. If it's design is "alive" again, great; otherwise I'd stay away from NVU unless you're still learning HTML. YOu'll also want tidy.exe to go with it. HTH Pop` |
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Hi James,
For help with your actual problem--you'll need to define what you mean by "screwed up". Appear screwed up in Word HTML view, or when you load the page online? Then provide a link to the page. On your machine or on all machines? In all browsers? Is there a pattern to the letters that appeared screwed up? Arial, Verdana should be should be safe web fonts. So is Times New Roman, you might test that. One of the main problems with using Word for web pages is that it's near impossible to troubleshoot, since Word doesn't actually build web pages, but instead stores all the information it would need to reconstruct a Word document from the HTML format. Most people don't understand, or care to understand, the arcane process by which that is done. Word offers many features that browsers simply won't understand/replicate. Re creating webpages: I'd go with Nvu, at least for now--I've looked at it briefly and it's certainly no worse than Word, free, and it will help you get a basic understanding of HTML to transfer into a more sophisticated app, as *any* WYWIWYG program is easier to use if you can switch into code view and understand what is going on. There are a bunch of Mac web apps--many people recommend RapidWeaver, I think. Ask over on the MacWord group. I'm pretty happy with Dreamweaver on my Mac, but I get education discounts (and I'm not sanguine about what Adobe will do to the next version of Dreamweaver). PS. There are Mac Office dedicated newsgroups, which are probably a better place to post your question. See here for Google/Entourage gateway to newsgroups for MacWord, MacExcel, and other MS programs for the Mac: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/community/community.aspx?pid=newsgroups More info on using Newsgroups: http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/AccessNewsgroups.htm (hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser) Hope that helps, -- Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/ MacWord Tips: http://word.mvps.org/Mac/WordMacHome.html What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ On 9/2/06 12:05 AM, " wrote: I'm a Mac user - I have Office 2004, I guess that means nothing to PC users, but I use Word to create web pages, and will do so until I can get something good and proper. I would use FrontPage except there is no Mac version. This may just be a Mac thing, but no matter what font I choose, some letters appear screwed up ....I 've tried a number of fonts. I would like to use Arial or Veranda but no success. Nor any luck with Comic Sans or Helvetica ( I think thats a Mac font). Can nayone suggest a web/Word/Mac friendly font? Ideas? Suggestions? And yes, I am saving up for Dreamwaver thanks! |
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Not to be a PIA, but rather to add some relevant information he
Daiya Mitchell wrote: Hi James, .... One of the main problems with using Word for web pages is that it's near impossible to troubleshoot, since Word doesn't actually build web pages, but instead stores all the information it would need to reconstruct a Word document from the HTML format. Not quite: You're splitting hairs with "doesn't actually build web pages" because it in fact does, and it saves them to disk in perfectly readable AND edittable format by Word or any other text editor. In Word, you can even work directly in Source View to edit and manipulate the code. Word will display what you wrote, complete with warts and all. The REAL drawback to Word is: -- It was not intended for Web pages; it was intended for intranet usages. -- In versions past Word97, it places a huge amount of PERSONAL information into the file which should NOT be placed on a web site! That's because it's intended to be used on the intranet, not the web or internet, whatever you wish to call it yourself. There, it makes sense, but not on a web site. Most people don't understand, or care to understand, the arcane process by which that is done. Word offers many features that browsers simply won't understand/replicate. You are misunderstanding. In HTML design mode, Word writes very capable code, including xml, albeit pretty bloated, but again it's not intended for the web. That said however, ALL of the major browsers read Word's code very well, especially IE of course. In fact, the whole Office suite can write pretty good and usable by browsers, code. There are a very few things that the latest version of Word cannot do. What you said is just plain inaccurate. Re creating webpages: I'd go with Nvu, at least for now--I've looked at it briefly and it's certainly no worse than Word, free, and it will help you get a basic understanding of HTML to transfer into a more sophisticated app, as *any* WYWIWYG program is easier to use if you can switch into code view and understand what is going on. I could agree with that, as long as the bugs are understood: e.g. incorrect centering, re-write/re-positioning of code, odd code structure, intermittant browser calls, unreliable ftp abilities, incorrect line numbering for troubleshooting, and so on. As I said before, it would be OK if one reads and understands the bug list first. And keep in mind it's dormant and maybe even dead w/r to further development. Yes, I used NVU; until it went dormant. Regards, Pop` There are a bunch of Mac web apps--many people recommend RapidWeaver, I think. Ask over on the MacWord group. I'm pretty happy with Dreamweaver on my Mac, but I get education discounts (and I'm not sanguine about what Adobe will do to the next version of Dreamweaver). PS. There are Mac Office dedicated newsgroups, which are probably a better place to post your question. See here for Google/Entourage gateway to newsgroups for MacWord, MacExcel, and other MS programs for the Mac: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/community/community.aspx?pid=newsgroups More info on using Newsgroups: http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/AccessNewsgroups.htm (hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser) Hope that helps, I'm a Mac user - I have Office 2004, I guess that means nothing to PC users, but I use Word to create web pages, and will do so until I can get something good and proper. I would use FrontPage except there is no Mac version. This may just be a Mac thing, but no matter what font I choose, some letters appear screwed up ....I 've tried a number of fonts. I would like to use Arial or Veranda but no success. Nor any luck with Comic Sans or Helvetica ( I think thats a Mac font). Can nayone suggest a web/Word/Mac friendly font? Ideas? Suggestions? And yes, I am saving up for Dreamwaver thanks! |
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Robert wrote:
To be honest, I personally never used Nvu. I suggested it only because it is free, Mac compatible, and some people seem to be quite happy with it. As far as I am concerned, I would never use a WYSIWYG application to create a Web page. All the WYSIWYG applications that I tried in the past create Web pages with tons of unnecessary extra code. I am probably slightly obsessional about this, but I like my code to be neat and tidy. I only use a pure text editor with a clipboard utility to paste ready-made HTML tags and code snippets. You only have to know or learn which code to use to achieve the desired effect... On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:47:56 -0400, Pop` wrote: ... CAUTION: NVU has been stranded for almost two years now. It IS good for basic html, but ... beware the more complex functions. Before you use it, go to their forum and read up on it. There's also a list of bugs someplace on the site - well worth your time. It's no Dreamweaver or Fusion, but it is usable for the most part. Do not use its ftp abilities for uploading; it's buggy; use your own ftp program. And don't be too surprised that it rewrites and reformats the code you write and numbers lines improperly. If it's design is "alive" again, great; otherwise I'd stay away from NVU unless you're still learning HTML. YOu'll also want tidy.exe to go with it. HTH Pop` All good points. And the other thing to keep in mind is that no wsywyg can actually show you the differences in the ways different browsers will display pages. What looks fine in one might look pretty messed up in another and vice-versa. It's best to have at least IE and NS on board for testing purposes. Regards, Pop` |
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Hi Pop,
On 9/3/06 8:37 AM, "Pop`" wrote: Not to be a PIA, but rather to add some relevant information he Daiya Mitchell wrote: since Word doesn't actually build web pages, but instead stores all the information it would need to reconstruct a Word document from the HTML format. Not quite: You're splitting hairs with "doesn't actually build web pages" because it in fact does, and it saves them to disk in perfectly readable AND edittable format by Word or any other text editor. Right, that was sloppy writing. Most people don't understand, or care to understand, the arcane process by which that is done. Word offers many features that browsers simply won't understand/replicate. You are misunderstanding. In HTML design mode, Word writes very capable code, including xml, albeit pretty bloated, but again it's not intended for the web. That said however, ALL of the major browsers read Word's code very well, especially IE of course. In fact, the whole Office suite can write pretty good and usable by browsers, code. There are a very few things that the latest version of Word cannot do. What you said is just plain inaccurate. Actually, you missed my point, or I wasn't clear. Many people using Word for web pages seem to expect the *Word*-specific features to transfer over into HTML, and I'm basing this on questions posted by people on these newsgroups. For instance, Font Scaling, Kerning, I think I've seen someone ask about section breaks, people ask where their columns went because they wanted side by side text.... Word offers many features that browsers simply won't understand/replicate. I suspect that if you use the HTML mode of Word to design webpages, what you get is pretty much what you see. However, the impression I get (again, from questions posted here), is that most people design their webpages-to-be in the regular modes of Word, not in HTML mode, and that they expect the full range of Word tools to be available to them, which is simply not the case. PS. A quick test suggests that HTML mode does not hide such features as columns, but that applying them to an HTML doc does nothing. -- Daiya Mitchell, MVP Mac/Word Word FAQ: http://www.word.mvps.org/ MacWord Tips: http://word.mvps.org/Mac/WordMacHome.html What's an MVP? A volunteer! Read the FAQ: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ |
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Good catches, D. I see your points; sorry for the unsolicited "advice".
Pop` Daiya Mitchell wrote: Hi Pop, On 9/3/06 8:37 AM, "Pop`" wrote: Not to be a PIA, but rather to add some relevant information he Daiya Mitchell wrote: since Word doesn't actually build web pages, but instead stores all the information it would need to reconstruct a Word document from the HTML format. Not quite: You're splitting hairs with "doesn't actually build web pages" because it in fact does, and it saves them to disk in perfectly readable AND edittable format by Word or any other text editor. Right, that was sloppy writing. Most people don't understand, or care to understand, the arcane process by which that is done. Word offers many features that browsers simply won't understand/replicate. You are misunderstanding. In HTML design mode, Word writes very capable code, including xml, albeit pretty bloated, but again it's not intended for the web. That said however, ALL of the major browsers read Word's code very well, especially IE of course. In fact, the whole Office suite can write pretty good and usable by browsers, code. There are a very few things that the latest version of Word cannot do. What you said is just plain inaccurate. Actually, you missed my point, or I wasn't clear. Many people using Word for web pages seem to expect the *Word*-specific features to transfer over into HTML, and I'm basing this on questions posted by people on these newsgroups. For instance, Font Scaling, Kerning, I think I've seen someone ask about section breaks, people ask where their columns went because they wanted side by side text.... Word offers many features that browsers simply won't understand/replicate. I suspect that if you use the HTML mode of Word to design webpages, what you get is pretty much what you see. However, the impression I get (again, from questions posted here), is that most people design their webpages-to-be in the regular modes of Word, not in HTML mode, and that they expect the full range of Word tools to be available to them, which is simply not the case. PS. A quick test suggests that HTML mode does not hide such features as columns, but that applying them to an HTML doc does nothing. |
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No need to apologize, especially since I *was* sloppy. Anyhow, can there be
any such thing as unsolicited advice on a public platform where one asks thousands of strangers for help? Daiya On 9/3/06 2:56 PM, "Pop`" wrote: Good catches, D. I see your points; sorry for the unsolicited "advice". Pop` |
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