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Why were ALT+numpad shortcuts removed?
I have used these forever. ALT+0222 for example, is capital Thorn (Þ). It
works fine in any textbox in Windows except for Office. According to the help, I have to use a different code, and then highlight it, then hit ALT+X. So, does this mean that I have to memorize an entire new set of codes for Office? I need to be able to write relatively quickly in Spanish and German from an American keyboard. It's pretty easy with the ALT+numpad shortcuts, and I already know them. The instant I step into Office software, though, I have to play by different rules. Am I missing something here? If I am not, why the change?? |
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Why were ALT+numpad shortcuts removed?
I can only assume that you haven't actually tried this? Alt+0222 still
produces a capital thorn for me in both Word 2003 and Word 2007. The Alt+X shortcuts are for upper Unicode characters that have no ASCII equivalent. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Snort" wrote in message ... I have used these forever. ALT+0222 for example, is capital Thorn (Þ). It works fine in any textbox in Windows except for Office. According to the help, I have to use a different code, and then highlight it, then hit ALT+X. So, does this mean that I have to memorize an entire new set of codes for Office? I need to be able to write relatively quickly in Spanish and German from an American keyboard. It's pretty easy with the ALT+numpad shortcuts, and I already know them. The instant I step into Office software, though, I have to play by different rules. Am I missing something here? If I am not, why the change?? |
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Why were ALT+numpad shortcuts removed?
Spanish and German are both fully covered by the out-of-the-box
keyboard shortcuts in Word. And for the few extra letters of Old English or Icelandic that you use, why not create similar keyboard shortcuts of your own? Snort wrote: I have used these forever. ALT+0222 for example, is capital Thorn (Þ). It works fine in any textbox in Windows except for Office. According to the help, I have to use a different code, and then highlight it, then hit ALT+X. So, does this mean that I have to memorize an entire new set of codes for Office? I need to be able to write relatively quickly in Spanish and German from an American keyboard. It's pretty easy with the ALT+numpad shortcuts, and I already know them. The instant I step into Office software, though, I have to play by different rules. Am I missing something here? If I am not, why the change?? |
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Why were ALT+numpad shortcuts removed?
Suzanne:
I have tried it repeatedly. Could it be because I am using a notebook keyboard? The numpad is activated by holding down another key and using letter keys (which have second labels). Do I need to turn this on somewhere? grammatim: creating shortcuts would sort of keep with my original problem-- using multiple methods to input the same character, though I may do it if I can't get the alt+numpad codes to work. "grammatim" wrote: Spanish and German are both fully covered by the out-of-the-box keyboard shortcuts in Word. And for the few extra letters of Old English or Icelandic that you use, why not create similar keyboard shortcuts of your own? Snort wrote: I have used these forever. ALT+0222 for example, is capital Thorn (Þ). It works fine in any textbox in Windows except for Office. According to the help, I have to use a different code, and then highlight it, then hit ALT+X. So, does this mean that I have to memorize an entire new set of codes for Office? I need to be able to write relatively quickly in Spanish and German from an American keyboard. It's pretty easy with the ALT+numpad shortcuts, and I already know them. The instant I step into Office software, though, I have to play by different rules. Am I missing something here? If I am not, why the change?? |
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Why were ALT+numpad shortcuts removed?
But why would you have even _started_ using the Alt codes for the
standard accented letters, which involve taking your hands off the keyboard for four keystrokes, as opposed to staying on the keyboard for one additional keystroke, followed by the actual letter taking the accent? On Sep 9, 9:28*am, Snort wrote: creating shortcuts would sort of keep with my original problem-- using multiple methods to input the same character, though I may do it if I can't get the alt+numpad codes to work. "grammatim" wrote: Spanish and German are both fully covered by the out-of-the-box keyboard shortcuts in Word. And for the few extra letters of Old English or Icelandic that you use, why not create similar keyboard shortcuts of your own? Snort wrote: I have used these forever. ALT+0222 for example, is capital Thorn (Þ). It works fine in any textbox in Windows except for Office. According to the help, I have to use a different code, and then highlight it, then hit ALT+X. So, does this mean that I have to memorize an entire new set of codes for Office? I need to be able to write relatively quickly in Spanish and German from an American keyboard. It's pretty easy with the ALT+numpad shortcuts, and I already know them. The instant I step into Office software, though, I have to play by different rules. Am I missing something here? If I am not, why the change??- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Why were ALT+numpad shortcuts removed?
Perhaps because the Alt+0xxx shortcuts have been around far longer than the
built-in (or user-assigned) keyboard shortcuts? Or because they work in all programs (Windows and DOS) and not just in Word? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "grammatim" wrote in message ... But why would you have even _started_ using the Alt codes for the standard accented letters, which involve taking your hands off the keyboard for four keystrokes, as opposed to staying on the keyboard for one additional keystroke, followed by the actual letter taking the accent? On Sep 9, 9:28 am, Snort wrote: creating shortcuts would sort of keep with my original problem-- using multiple methods to input the same character, though I may do it if I can't get the alt+numpad codes to work. "grammatim" wrote: Spanish and German are both fully covered by the out-of-the-box keyboard shortcuts in Word. And for the few extra letters of Old English or Icelandic that you use, why not create similar keyboard shortcuts of your own? Snort wrote: I have used these forever. ALT+0222 for example, is capital Thorn (Þ). It works fine in any textbox in Windows except for Office. According to the help, I have to use a different code, and then highlight it, then hit ALT+X. So, does this mean that I have to memorize an entire new set of codes for Office? I need to be able to write relatively quickly in Spanish and German from an American keyboard. It's pretty easy with the ALT+numpad shortcuts, and I already know them. The instant I step into Office software, though, I have to play by different rules. Am I missing something here? If I am not, why the change??- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Why were ALT+numpad shortcuts removed?
I don't know the answer to this. I would have thought that the simulated
numeric keypad thus created would be designed to work just the same as a built-in one, but perhaps in this instance it doesn't. I don't have any experience with laptops nor with the numeric keypad; perhaps someone who has will be able to answer. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "Snort" wrote in message ... Suzanne: I have tried it repeatedly. Could it be because I am using a notebook keyboard? The numpad is activated by holding down another key and using letter keys (which have second labels). Do I need to turn this on somewhere? grammatim: creating shortcuts would sort of keep with my original problem-- using multiple methods to input the same character, though I may do it if I can't get the alt+numpad codes to work. "grammatim" wrote: Spanish and German are both fully covered by the out-of-the-box keyboard shortcuts in Word. And for the few extra letters of Old English or Icelandic that you use, why not create similar keyboard shortcuts of your own? Snort wrote: I have used these forever. ALT+0222 for example, is capital Thorn (Þ). It works fine in any textbox in Windows except for Office. According to the help, I have to use a different code, and then highlight it, then hit ALT+X. So, does this mean that I have to memorize an entire new set of codes for Office? I need to be able to write relatively quickly in Spanish and German from an American keyboard. It's pretty easy with the ALT+numpad shortcuts, and I already know them. The instant I step into Office software, though, I have to play by different rules. Am I missing something here? If I am not, why the change?? |
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Why were ALT+numpad shortcuts removed?
Exactly, Suzanne. I sometimes edit Excel and PowerPoint files, even non-MS
files. Word's shortcuts, particularly the Alt-x ones don't work in those programs. The Windows Alt + keypad shortcuts work in many, if not most, Windows-based programs€”and produce the desired result as long as you are using a font that contains the character you want. By the way, alt+ keypad shortcuts work for the higher Unicode characters too. But you must convert the hex number Word gives to a base 10 number, or keep a cheat sheet near your computer. PamC Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: Perhaps because the Alt+0xxx shortcuts have been around far longer than the built-in (or user-assigned) keyboard shortcuts? Or because they work in all programs (Windows and DOS) and not just in Word? But why would you have even _started_ using the Alt codes for the standard accented letters, which involve taking your hands off the keyboard for four keystrokes, as opposed to staying on the keyboard for one additional keystroke, followed by the actual letter taking the accent? On Sep 9, 9:28 am, Snort wrote: creating shortcuts would sort of keep with my original problem-- using multiple methods to input the same character, though I may do it if I [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] - Show quoted text - -- Message posted via OfficeKB.com http://www.officekb.com/Uwe/Forums.a...ement/200809/1 |
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Why were ALT+numpad shortcuts removed?
Yes, it was very strange to come over from Mac-land and discover that
not only were the keyboard shortcuts different in Win Frame from Mac Frame, but they were different from Win program to Win program! On Sep 9, 11:59*am, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote: Perhaps because the Alt+0xxx shortcuts have been around far longer than the built-in (or user-assigned) keyboard shortcuts? Or because they work in all programs (Windows and DOS) and not just in Word? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA "grammatim" wrote in message ... But why would you have even _started_ using the Alt codes for the standard accented letters, which involve taking your hands off the keyboard for four keystrokes, as opposed to staying on the keyboard for one additional keystroke, followed by the actual letter taking the accent? On Sep 9, 9:28 am, Snort wrote: creating shortcuts would sort of keep with my original problem-- using multiple methods to input the same character, though I may do it if I can't get the alt+numpad codes to work. "grammatim" wrote: Spanish and German are both fully covered by the out-of-the-box keyboard shortcuts in Word. And for the few extra letters of Old English or Icelandic that you use, why not create similar keyboard shortcuts of your own? Snort wrote: I have used these forever. ALT+0222 for example, is capital Thorn (Þ). It works fine in any textbox in Windows except for Office. According to the help, I have to use a different code, and then highlight it, then hit ALT+X. So, does this mean that I have to memorize an entire new set of codes for Office? I need to be able to write relatively quickly in Spanish and German from an American keyboard. It's pretty easy with the ALT+numpad shortcuts, and I already know them. The instant I step into Office software, though, I have to play by different rules. Am I missing something here? If I am not, why the change??- |
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Why were ALT+numpad shortcuts removed?
On my laptop I seem to have the same problem, with the Alt + 0xxx code not
working in Office, but working elsewhere. However if you turn on numlock (likely to be fn+ numlock) it works fine. "Snort" wrote: I have used these forever. ALT+0222 for example, is capital Thorn (Þ). It works fine in any textbox in Windows except for Office. According to the help, I have to use a different code, and then highlight it, then hit ALT+X. So, does this mean that I have to memorize an entire new set of codes for Office? I need to be able to write relatively quickly in Spanish and German from an American keyboard. It's pretty easy with the ALT+numpad shortcuts, and I already know them. The instant I step into Office software, though, I have to play by different rules. Am I missing something here? If I am not, why the change?? |
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